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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Sabre on August 28, 2002, 10:52:35 AM
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It's back to the ETO, chaps!Hedgerows of France
July 1944 saw the Allies still struggling to break out of the hedgerow country behind the beaches of Normandy. While much of the Luftwaffe’s Channel strength had been away east on Jun 6, 1944, the invasion dictated that it be rushed back to France in an attempt to stem the rising tide of the Allied war machine. Meanwhile, the Combined Bomber Offensive was rolling along, with long-ranged fighter escort finally becoming available in strength.
Setup: See Map below for base locations and Axis/Allied controlled areas.
Radar (bar/dot/alt) – 50/25/500
Fuel Burn Rate – 1.5
Ack/Flak Lethality – 0.7
Winds – 5 mph out of the east
Downtime multiplier – MA standard
OOB:
Allies (Rooks) –
From A8 and A9 only: P-51D, B-17 and Lanc III
From all fields: P-51B, P-47D-25&30, P-38, Spit-IX, Typhoon, Mosquito (because I was told that if I left it out, Karnak would have a cow;)), C-47, B-26, Boston III, A-20G, all GV’s
Axis (Bishop) –
From A36 only: Me262
From all fields: Bf109F-4/G-2/G-6/G-10, Fw190A-5/A-8/F-8/D-9, Bf110G-2, Ju88, C-47, all GV’s
NOTES: No A/C or vehicles are perked. Neutral fields will have MURDEROUS ack and flak, and will have no A/C, vehicles, or guns enabled. Please just leave them alone! Naval forces will be place out of the way and player-command of task forces disabled. Allied goal is to take all the Axis bases to win a reset. Axis goal is to prevent that and, if possible, to push the Allies back into the English Channel.
Designed by Sabre
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Originally posted by Sabre
Neutral fields will have MURDEROUS ack and flak, and will have no A/C, vehicles, or guns enabled. Please just leave them alone! Naval forces will be place out of the way and player-command of task forces disabled.
(Oldman looks around, raises hand.)
"Excuse me, but.....ah.....what are "neutral fields", sir?
"And, by the way, sir, sinking the boats like that is genius. I sure hope that other people do that in subsequent setups. Yes, I do.
"Thanks you, sir. I hope my question isn't too silly."
(Sits down with red face.)
- oldman
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that's a new channel terrain! :) Who made it?
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Originally posted by Oldman731
(Oldman looks around, raises hand.)
"Excuse me, but.....ah.....what are "neutral fields", sir?
"And, by the way, sir, sinking the boats like that is genius. I sure hope that other people do that in subsequent setups. Yes, I do.
"Thanks you, sir. I hope my question isn't too silly."
(Sits down with red face.)
- oldman
ARE YOU MENTALLY DEFECTIVE, SOLDIER? WHAT THE HELL STUPID KIND OF QUESTION IS THAT? HOW DO YOU EXPECT TO WIN A WAR, SON? MY GOSH, I'M SURPRISED YOU MANAGED TO FIND TWO LIVING NEURONS LEFT IN THAT HEAD OF YOURS TO RUB TOGETHER AND GENERATE A SINGLE THOUGHT! THE ANSWER'S RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU! RIGHT UP THERE ON THE...map...er, it should be on the...oh. I see, Lieutenant. I guess the Intel shop must have left that little detail off. Well, don't worry about it. The neutral fields will be easy to spot on your navigation charts. They're the ones with the Knight symbols next to em;). And if that doesn't clue you in, and you happen to wander too close to one, another automatic mechanism will kick in to confirm beyond any doubt that you're in the wrong place :D.
Sgt Hulka, a.k.a. Sabre of CT Staff
(all tongue in cheek, of course)
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thank you for moving the boats from the channel
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I am assuming the Ta152 was not in service at this time if it was please add it . otherwise it looks like a good set up
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Originally posted by Nifty
that's a new channel terrain! :) Who made it?
Yes, that's the new large-scale BoB terrain that Sundog (I believe) created for the BoB scenario currently running. It's not up on the download site at HTC, but you can auto-download it by simply going into the SEA now, or the CT after I've loaded this set up Friday. The Brit radar sites are particularly cool, as are the grass airfields. In fact, I may have to move the B-17 and Lanc a bit farther back towards London, to the large airfields, because I'm not sure they can take off fully loaded from the small fields.:eek:
Sabre
CT Staff
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No Key the TA-152 wasnt in service yet, this looks like a great setup.
WTG Sabre it's been a while since we've had a late ETO slugfest!
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i'm pretty sure the spit XIV was in service before the 190D-9 and p51D....
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i agree lowe it should be fun to bad the 152 not i service i really like that plane:)
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"Allies (Rooks) –
From A8 and A9 only: P-51D, B-17 and Lanc III
From all fields: P-51D,"
:confused:
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sabre was testing you thrawn, and frankly we were all a little woried that you would not notice this, but I told them you would come through in the end:)
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Yes.. fighting Spit14s in large numbers would be interesting. There's no chance of that happening in the MA.. so I think it should be fairly interesting to see a group of Spit14s around. ;)
Of course, IF Spit14s were present at this setup.
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WTG on the new grass fields on that map. Very nice to finally be able to do a formation take-off. Fits in well with 880 style.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
"Allies (Rooks) –
From A8 and A9 only: P-51D, B-17 and Lanc III
From all fields: P-51D,"
:confused:
Hehe...yeah, it was a test. Now that the test is complete, the OOB has been edited to say "All fields: P51B..." Nice catch;).
Sabre
CT Staff
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hmmmm. This will be interesting. What is the story with the spit 14 anyway? I wont be flying it, but am just curious.
Here is an example of some of the problems in the ct though. In later 1944 the germans were nearly incapable of mounting an air defense. Lancasters had a relatively easy ride to germany, that will not be the case here. In fact I am sure 262s will be found vulching fields across the channel.
Dont get me wrong, this looks like it will be fun (3 lancasters carrying cookies will be a ball, particularly with full squad ops and cover) just that strategies will not be like it 'was' in rl.
erg
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They've got a point with the Spit XIV being included. It was in service and available before the Me262 was. Also, wasn't the first credited kill of a Me262 given to a Spitfire Mk XIV?
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The Setup looks GREAT!! WTG HTC. It will be fun, but I do miss the PTO so. :(
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The setup looks great! I will definitely be there for a couple of days next week. One thing though..have you given any thought to including the Spitfire MkXIV and the Tempest MkV to the setup? Both aircraft were operational in July of 44 (although the Temp was fairly new - maybe restrict it to a single base like the 262?) and they might add quite a bit to evening up the sides in so far as technology is concerned. :)
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although the Temp was fairly new - maybe restrict it to a single base like the 262?
By July of '44 there were three Wings (each of 3 or 4 squadrons)of Tempest MkVs with 2nd Tactical Air Force. The first Tempest wing was formed in Autumn '43, and though for much of the intervening time they had been committed to V1 chasing they were released back to operations for D-Day.
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Spit XIV was in service at this point (Operational with 610 Squadron on January 3rd, 1944 and first killed a Ju88 in March, 1944).
Fw190D-9s were not operational until September, 1944.
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oh, my vote would be to leave the spit14 out. The setup looks sweet as it is! P-47's in Europe too! You add the spit 14, then 75% of the allied AC you see in this setup will be..Spit 14's. Unless you added some degree of perk price.
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A 1942 spit9 is hardly representative of the RAF's fighter power in july of '44.
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nokidding. also, I would be more worried about a squad of p51ds and even more the bs than spit 14s.
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Would like to see them leave the SPIT XIV, TEMPEST & ME-262 out of this scenario. Would make it alot "more interesting" IMHO.
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Another '44 setup?
O well, atleast we get to fly on the new map, and our pretty Grass feild at a3 isnt dead anymore! :)
PS. I gave no info away, Wotan said Axis allready knows about a3 in BoB scenario...
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Performance wise, the Spitfire Mk XIV is closer to the 1944 Spitfire Mk IX than is the AH Spitfire Mk IX.
It doesn't really matter though.
There is no way to set one of these up so it works right. I fly Mossies mostly, but in this proposed environment I would be facing Fw190D-9s, Bf109G-10s and Me262As.
The Germans built 700 Fw190D-9s, yet that is what I'll face 95% of the time a 190 icon is seen. The thousands of A series Fw190s that would be represetnative of this time period will sit unused in the hangars. The same is true for the Bf109s. Not that the AH Bf109G-6 is representative of a Bf109G-6 of July, 1944 any more than the AH Spitfire Mk IX is representative of a Spitfire Mk IX of July, 1944.
On the RAF side you have Typhoons far in excess of their historical numbers and 1942 Spitfire Mk IXs that weren't even in service anymore.
I think the likely American balance will be closest to correct, with a heavy de-emphasis on bombers.
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Hey Cajun,
You left off the Mitsubishi A5M CLAUDE & Grumman F3F BOBCAT off your list.
Lets be fair and give everyone a bird. ;)
! Would be nice to have a REAL early war scenario in the CT with nothing but biplanes.
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That would be hilarious. Actually, if RT and I have my way, I think the vf are going to be trying long range bomber runs into germany or france. Escorted by american metal of course.
You are right about the 190d (read my post above) but that is the way it is in this game. The only time we get a historical matchup is when we have a battle that only had 4 planes (bob). Of course in there we have this uber "warp 5 commander sulu" ju88.
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Originally posted by Nifty
wasn't the first credited kill of a Me262 given to a Spitfire Mk XIV?
I read (which in no way means it is accurate)that a member of the USAAF 332nd Pursuit Squadron "Tuskegee Airmen" was the first to get a 262 kill of the war during an escort mission. Maybe the first US kill? It was a footnote at the end of a docudrama, "Tuskegee Airmen," so it's authenticity can readily be questioned.
In any event, I'd love to know the answer.
Gainsie