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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Sundog on August 29, 2002, 07:07:12 PM
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..is the Gloster Meteor! I know that plane probably isn't high on everyone's list, however, since the Me-262 is in AH and soon the Me-163 will be in AH, I think it would be great to have an Allied jet in AH. I know the 262 and Meteor never met in combat during the war, but the Meteor was in operation on mainland Europe before the war ended and it was used over England/The English channel to hunt V-1's. Therefore, I think we can make a case for the Meteor F.1 to be in AH. Besides, that way we will be able to run events that pit the 262 vs the Meteor :) You have to admit, it would be fun!
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Screw that!
He-162!!! (http://www.soton.ac.uk/~genesis/Level2/Planes/Germany/He162.htm)
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Perk planes are useless. We don't need any more.
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Perk 162-bad idea. Should be free.
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Originally posted by Nefarious
Perk 162-bad idea. Should be free.
The 162 is a jet fighter capable of level speeds of 560mph.
You're thinking of (I'm guessing you are anyways) the 163, the upcoming rocket fighter in 1.11.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Perk planes are useless. We don't need any more.
I agree, we need the P-47M instead.
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ammo,
If/when they add the P-47M, I sincerely hope it isn't porked, er, perked.
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when they add it, I hope it is not either of those attributes myself.
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I will refrane from comminting on a P47M, everybody is intitled to want their favorate toy.
I howeaver will comment on the Meteor, I would much rather see a He 162 than that plane the he 162 was such a better plane and would be a lot more fun to fly, Captain Erich Brown refered to it as the Best gun platform outa of the WW2 jets he flew, and I do beleave he flew them all, I also thought one of the criteria for the addation was that a plane of actualy saw combat, I know metors shot down Buzz bombs but so did english boys with sling shots, did the Metoer actually shot down an enemy "maned" aircraft?
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I will refrain from commenting on the HE 162, everyone is entitled to wanting their fav toy;)
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The Meteor Mk III saw action on the European mainland. The Mk I is slower than a Tempest. Why bother?
palef
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I think he meant Gloster Gladiator, would be so manuverable you'd have to perk it ;)
Well Gloster Meator would be interesting plane to see, but its not really something we Really need right now, at least not in my opinion. But then I'm sure some would argue that the Gladiator isnt either... Except in CT where I know LOTS of people who would like it :)
I think it would be Great to see both the Gloster Meteor & Gloster Gladiator added at the same time!
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The ME-163 is a complete waste of time. With only about 2 minutes endurance it's about as usefull as "Tits on a Boar Hog". Also alot more useful planes for the LW than the HE 162 out there. You have the ME-262, what do you want a mediocre "tugboat" like the HE-162 for? :rolleyes:
For that matter any more "Perk Planes" are also uncalled for when there are such GLARING gaps in the plane sets - especially the Japanese side. Don't think we need another version of the Spitfire or Jugg either untill some of these missing A/C make it on the scene here in AH.
But I imagine we will have every model of the Spitfire, P-38, P-47 & F4U in AH INCLUDEING the damn prototypes before we will see the KI-84 FRANK. Expect to look up anyday from the warn, shot through cockpit of my Zeke and see the Allies have the F-15 EAGLE. (Just to make it "More Interesting" to see how they would have done against the Axis in WW2.)
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P47M should be the next perk plane!
Oh! Don't forget to fix the Ta152 ;-D
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Probably isn't needed, but 162 is a cool choice. Only Go229 is cooler.
Who wants clunky classic airframe with stuck jet engines they call the Meteor anyway ?
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lol ammo:)
Andijg, I totaly agree on your points, were mearly debating the issue of adding another perkable fighter and which one it may well be, No we realy do not a perk plane, but they are kinda fun to fly:) And Imo, the He 162 would of been better than a Me 262 only becuase it was a better gun platform, the me 262 was way more important historicaly of course, but from the aspect of geting and going for a ride, I would love to scoot around in a He 162:)
Personaly I cant wait to fly the Me 163, I think with proper management of burn time and how well it handels coupled with it's e retention we will get some usage outa that rocket:)
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As long as the uber porked Ta152 is perked the P47M should be too. And some other planes already in AH.
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Next perk should be the Meteor III, I fully agree :)
Then the perk costs should be revised, preferably divided with two or something like that
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Brady,
Why is it you stamp your feet and throw yourself to the floor at the mention of another American heavy bomber; and yet advocate the addition of another German Jet?
I understand the first reaction (regardless of wether I agree or not); but the second looks somewhat inconsistent; no?
And; as we already know; the Me163 is defintely on the way; pending artwork.
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Seems any time an aircraft is added that isn't German the wailing and whining and gnashing of teeth rises to a new level.
There were other countries involved. There's lots and lots of non-German and non-US "workhorse" aircraft that haven't been modeled yet.
No need for the estoteric, hardly-got-used, late-war, last-minute-wunder-weapons to get such a priority.. heck, any priority at all for that matter.
Just my .02.
Besides, you guys have your plate full just getting HTC to work the 31 flavors of FW with their 421 specific armament packages up to it's generally agreed upon immortal, insuperable natural self, don't yas? ;)
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andijg, one glaring gap in the planset happens to be in the RAF planeset. The RAF doesn't have a late-war non-perked fighter, this would be solved by having another spit modelled.:p
But which spitfire to choose.....a spit VIII or a spitXVI. It must have clipped wings and a bubble canopy too of course.:D
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Seeker, I am mearly debating the Metoer vs He 162 issue if I had to chose I would pick the He 162 is my only point as i mentioned above I realy dont feal they nead to be added at the moment.
" Andijg, I totaly agree on your points, were mearly debating the issue of adding another perkable fighter and which one it may well be, No we realy do not a perk plane"
It is a matter of the lesser eveal:), and for the record I realy dont advocate any other German planes at the moment, If it came down to which ones were to be added or which one to add and why I would more than likely comment on it as I have regarding the HE 177, He 162, and JU 52, i am mearly debating the issue simply saying yes or no to any of these does not nescessarly mean I favore adding them over the modeling of planes for Japan, Italy or Russia, the fact of the matter I would prefer seing planes for those countries added first, but the reality of it all is I doubt that will happen.
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how about recon planes ? mean the Pony or 262 photo recon version ? and limit radar to very primitive way the photo recon planes was realy tuned up non armed mostly and they was realy extensively used !!
for the nest perk ride , well in AH perks mean RARITY and not uber super performance , beter let them develop other planes and GVs instead of some books and holywood dream planes
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ANDI, I didn't know you are Jester00 in the CT :)
Good to see you.
The next perk ride I would like to see is the IJAAF "jack" raiden. Period. IMO We don't need another Jug (although I do like jugs) and definitely not another spitfire. good grief, I can't throw a rock these days in AH without damn near hitting one of em. As one of the CT staffers said in another thread, there is a real need to establish some equity in the game, and adding planesets from other countries needs to be taken care of first.
I would perk the Raiden because it was rare, and very potent. I believe it had more firepower than the Niki2, and was a very fast (yet unmanueverable compared to Japanese standards) aircraft.
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Originally posted by minus
how about recon planes ? mean the Pony or 262 photo recon version ? and limit radar to very primitive way the photo recon planes was realy tuned up non armed mostly and they was realy extensively used !!
for the nest perk ride , well in AH perks mean RARITY and not uber super performance , beter let them develop other planes and GVs instead of some books and holywood dream planes
very dumb idea. However, kudo's for being coherent minus!!
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Originally posted by -ammo-
very dumb idea. However, kudo's for being coherent minus!!
LOL ....mean, cruel, but damn funny :D
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I love RAF planes, but the Meteor?
It'll end up being perked because its a jet, and we don't want an arena full of Jets, but its performance is actually quite mediocre compared to many of the other free planes (such as the 51D and LA7) so... lets not bother to add another Ta152 style Turkey to the roster. The Tempest is a significantly better performer than the Meteor in everything but top speed and that gets infrequent use as it is.
There are other planes of significance that would be heavily flown such as the B-25, B-24, HE 111 and the Stuka that need to be added first. Heck, I'd vote for adding 109K4 before the Meteor and I never fly Luftwabble planes as a rule.
If we really want a Perkie that would be flown, when the Bombing model is cleaned up - add the B29!
- SEAGOON
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The Tempest V was not better than the Meteor III.
I'd like to see the Meteor III at some point, but there are other planes that would be more interesting/vital:
1) Stuka
2) Tu-2
3) T-34
4) Pe-3
Then we can do the Eastern Front!
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Red Tail 444, The Jack, had two Type 99MK II and Two Type 99 MK I, cannons as apposed to the Georges (our geogre's) four Type 99 MK II cannons, So the George has the heaver aramament as well as having more ammo. The Jack was prety much discontinued In favor of the George since the Japanese Felt it was a better plane, BTW the Jack is a Navy Plane not Army. The Jack was less manuaverable than the George as well, also slower, the George is prety slow as it is. Also some 476 were produced over twice as many as the C hog, perking is truly unwarented.
It would be Nice to get another Japanese Army Fighter added, maybe even or at least another Tony varent added, Ki 100, and Please a Ki 84.
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Originally posted by Dowding
The Tempest V was not better than the Meteor III.
I'd like to see the Meteor III at some point, but there are other planes that would be more interesting/vital:
1) Stuka
2) Tu-2
3) T-34
4) Pe-3
Based on what criteria? Even the RAF admitted that based on post-war tests the ME262 was superior to the Meteor III. The Meteor doesn't turn or accelerate half as well as the Tempest and the armament is identical. I can almost guarantee you that in head to head competitions the Tempest is going to come out on top in AH.
BTW - When did the Russians produce a flying variant of the T34? ;) Just funning you...
- Seagoon
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Meteor III was quite a plane. Well, maybe non as fast and well accelerating than the 262, but at least we have some flying today, which shows some sign of the AH unrelated thing named RELIABILITY.
In H2H, it would match the Tempest equally to a mosquito...4 Hizookas in the nose is quite something.
I saw a Meteor on an airshow some 4 years ago doing a low-level-stall-speed loop...left me gazing. Looked like a sweet plane to me.
Somebody asked about a flying tank...well, here is one, and this is authentic:p
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Originally posted by brady
Red Tail 444, The Jack, had two Type 99MK II and Two Type 99 MK I, cannons as apposed to the Georges (our geogre's) four Type 99 MK II cannons, So the George has the heaver aramament as well as having more ammo. The Jack was prety much discontinued In favor of the George since the Japanese Felt it was a better plane, BTW the Jack is a Navy Plane not Army.
Wasnt there a variation of the jack w/ 6 cannons? Guess not..I thought I read that in an earlier post, along with schematics...
If the raiden was slower, less manueverable, and of weaker armament, whats the reason for its popularity?
Thanks for the info..again
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Some of us did drugs when we were younger and we were effected in different ways( my spelling for example:) ), others well they want the Jack:)
Withen the time frame that it did see service it was a good plane, and it could certainly add depth to the Japanese plane set, which sorely neads it, personaly I would rather see some Army planes for Japan.
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The J2M3 has a faster top speed than the N1K2, 380mph to the N1K's 369mph.
The J2M3 has a higher initial climb than does the N1K2-J, 3,610ft to the N1K2's 3,300ft.
Most importantly the J2M had the performance to catch B-29s at altitude. The N1K2's performance suffers badly at altitude and it was ineffective against B-29s. The J2M's performance does not suffer nearly as much and is still capable of attacking B-29s.
The J2M was abandoned in late '43 / early '44. However, with the threat of B-29s it was resumed in 1945.
The J2M3 was armed with two 20mm Type 99 Model IIs and two Type 99 Model Is. The J2M3a was armed with four Type 99 Model IIs.
There is no way that the J2M could be considered a perk plane. Frankly, no Japanese fighter that saw combat could be considered a perk plane.
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I hope this next release is mostly Russian, Italian and Japanese.
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I agree with karnak.
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Karnak, our sources seam to be in conflict on the Radian Issue, My Francillon say on page 393 "In june 1944 the navy decided to adopt the faster Kawanishi Shinden as it's main interceptor fighter and continue Raiden production at reduced pace untill the Mitsubishi Reppu could be placed in production, howeaver this decision did not prevent the realization of two additional variants of the Raiden with better high-altitude preformance."
Karnak I do beleave that the J2M3a had 4 20mm Type 99 cannons but they were in underwing pods(2 of them) and only some 21 were built, the vast magority of the Radians that were produced having been the J2M3 at 260 being built, So I should think that If the Jack were modeled we would not see the J2M3a model, or the J2M5 model, but nthe run of the mill model the J2M3.
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I want the flying monkeys from the Wizard of Oz!
They could fly out of someone's butt!
palef