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Title: Ladies and gentlemen off to the right is a white fiat..
Post by: poopster on August 31, 2002, 12:19:46 PM
(http://www.aviationpics.de/app/af747-3.jpg)
Title: Ladies and gentlemen off to the right is a white fiat..
Post by: bizket on August 31, 2002, 12:26:33 PM
I've seen that picture before, is it real??????????
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Post by: poopster on August 31, 2002, 12:35:13 PM
Yep :eek:  "low" approach at Hong Kong. The road has been closed according to the text.

Why they closed it, I'll never know...
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Post by: Dago on August 31, 2002, 01:56:55 PM
I dont think that was Hong Kong, I think its St Marteen.



dago

 
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Post by: Gixer on August 31, 2002, 03:01:48 PM
Yes it is St Marteen.

World famous for it's beach and very low approaches and cross winds. I have a great video clip from one of the St Marteen videos if anyone is interested.




...-Gixer
The Horse Soldiers
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Post by: Puke on August 31, 2002, 03:07:08 PM
It's not real.  Or it's an optical illusion.  You know just what kind of vorticees that thing would generate on that beach?  And it's not much of a sink-rate for landing.  It's not real.
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Post by: SKurj on August 31, 2002, 03:29:10 PM
Main gear isn't all the way down either it looks like...


FAKE!


SKurj
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Post by: Seagoon on August 31, 2002, 03:38:31 PM
Nope, it is indeed St. Martin and the picture is Legit. I've landed at the airport and wondered if we were going to plow into the beach myself. The built right up to the verge of the public beach which was still open when we visited.

Here's another picture with a slightly different angle that should help you to understand the approach, plus the caption:

"Landing of a Boeing 747

Amazing !

In St Maarten, the Juliana Airport's runway begins on the beach. And you can walk on this beach and see the landing of the airplanes !

You will love it !" [http://www.cocotier.net/album.html]
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Post by: Puke on August 31, 2002, 06:37:21 PM
The vorticees behind a 747 can flip over another 747.  Until those wheels touch the ground, there can be some strong winds behind that 747.  I'm not saying they land there, but I still say it's an optical illusion.  And someone else is right in pointing out about the gear.  That's kind of last minute to lower the gear and make sure you have good lights before touchdown.
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Post by: goaly on August 31, 2002, 07:22:05 PM
There are shadows under the cars... There is no shadow under the jet. Unless that 747 is travelling faster than the speed of light, it's a fake.
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Post by: moose on August 31, 2002, 07:40:14 PM
Besides the fact that its kinda cloudy out in the picture, i can still see traces of a shadow

look real hard at the sand
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Post by: fullback on September 01, 2002, 04:39:27 AM
Picture and info is legit. Been there also. The 747 is a little further away than you think and you'll notice that no cars are parked on the road directly in line with runway.
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Post by: poopster on September 01, 2002, 11:46:47 AM
Sorry gentlemen my location was wrong, the "remainder" of pictures at the site are from Hong Kong. Here's two other shots at a more normal approach altitude

(http://www.aviationpics.de/app/otherside.jpg)

(http://www.aviationpics.de/app/afr002.jpg)
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Post by: eskimo2 on September 01, 2002, 12:10:25 PM
As a beach-goer, I think I would fear take-offs much more than landings.

When I was a kid (a long time ago when airport security was much more lax) there were “these guys” who used to climb the fence at Anchorage International Airport and go goof around on the airport grounds.  They would usually go at night and dress in all white, head to toe, to blend in with the snow.  One of the things that they used to do was to lay on the edge of the runway, where the plowed snow met the pavement, as heavies would land (at night).  The instant the jet would go by, they would sprint out onto the runway to “experience” the jet-wash.  They said the 747s and DC-10s made a really warm wind and all kinds of 3D sounds.  One night they decided to run out behind a 747 as it was taking off.  They described running into a wall of wind that was so strong that it knocked them off their feet and blew them head over heals down the runway.  Since it was dark and they were so disoriented, they had no idea how far they blew down the runway.  They said that it was one hell of a ride, but none of them ever ran out behind a heavy taking off again!

eskimo
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Post by: poopster on September 01, 2002, 02:51:18 PM
On the other hand, I have it on reliable sources that the bridge pictured is for sale...

(http://www.aviationpics.de/fun/fake/united.jpe)

Come on guys, you can SEE the shadow :D

But something happened to the north tower. I've been there and the fog ain't that thick..:confused:
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Post by: goaly on September 01, 2002, 10:44:40 PM
Okay, I NOW accept that all of the photos are real! Thanks!
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Post by: Toad on September 01, 2002, 11:08:23 PM
The gear just has "truck tilt". That's the way it is supposed to look on that model.

(http://home.nethere.net/sdambassador/images/ba747.jpg)
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Post by: Berra85 on September 02, 2002, 10:44:46 AM
i agree with what eskimo2 is saying, when taking off the engines are as powerful as hell, i found a video on a website showing the power of the engines, there was a truck driven past a airplane that was sitting there with its engines on, as the truck went past it was blown off of the road, ill try and find the site again and post it here.
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Post by: Dago on September 02, 2002, 01:24:02 PM
Berra, that clip you mentioned (I have a copy) is a demostration staged to show the force generated by an aircraft when engines were pulling power.

If you look close, you can see the vehicle is being towed past the aircraft.  Those engines were at high power on the 747.

On approach, jet engines are at much lower power.

Toad is correct about the gear, the forward main landing gear on a 747 is mounted in the wing structure and retract into the belly of the fuselage.  To position the gear truck in the correct position to fit in the wheel well, the gear is tilted by a hydraulic cylinder on the back of the gear strut.  They stay tilted until contact with the ground levels them.

dago
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Post by: DA98 on September 02, 2002, 03:54:49 PM
If the picture is a fake, what is all these people looking at? ;)