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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Seagoon on August 31, 2002, 03:44:21 PM
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...is available here. Possibly this is the same Air France pilot who took out a chain link fence:
http://www.merchantexport.com/StMaartenAirFrance747Landing.htm
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I dont think that picture is real. The plane looks to small in relation to the distance it was from the person who took the shot.
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That's the fakest crap I've ever seen.
Nice shadow. What's that you say? Oh yeah, there isn't one.
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Might even be genuine I'm afraid. Normal approach looks something like this apparently:
(http://www.aviationpics.de/app/afr002.jpg)
Other side:
(http://www.aviationpics.de/app/otherside.jpg)
Saw these pics ages ago. They circulated round our Aerospace course while I was at University.
Gatso
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It's real. I've been there and watched the planes land. It's quite a sight. Some of the angles make the plane look closer to the ground than it really is at that moment. However, they are quite low on final approach at that point. I don't know about the stories though of dragging a fence and such.
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Believe whatever you want to guys, I've been to St. Martin (St. Maarten) and the Jumbos do have to scream in low over the beach to make the field which is juuuuuust big enough for them. And do you seriously think an Air France pilot wouldn't clip the link fence.
BTW - the pic has been posted to pilot sites as well.
- SEAGOON
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Yep, those are real, when I was @ St. Martin in SUmmer 2001, I was standing on that same exact road watching planes fly 25 ft. over head...I took some pictures..lemme see if i can fidn them...
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It's a real picture, it has been around the pilot comunauty for ages. In France, approaching St Martin is as famous as approcahing Kai Tak (now closed).
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Its real.
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This last one looks very nice. But save the image and use a viewer to enlarge it. I mean REALLY zoom in. Look where the image of the aircraft meets the rest of the image. The nose wheel is a very good example.. Zoom in until just the foward landing gear fills your screen. To me, there is an obvious rectangular area around it where the variation of colors in the background change. Looks an awful lot like the edges of a "cut and paste".
I know some people are sure these are not fakes.... Let's just say they have been, "Manipulated".
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Sorry goalie, but they are real. Been there, seen it.
dago
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I don't know how to break it to you, but what you're looking at is a run of the mill JPEG compression artifact. Almost any JPEG image has them near high contrast areas.
Anyhow, you'd think that the fact that so many have attested to having seen this approach in person would persuade you, but I guess you have your own criteria.....
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2 Threads on the samew thing... ?
As a beach-goer, I think I would fear take-offs much more than landings.
When I was a kid (a long time ago when airport security was much more lax) there were “these guys” who used to climb the fence at Anchorage International Airport and go goof around on the airport grounds. They would usually go at night and dress in all white, head to toe, to blend in with the snow. One of the things that they used to do was to lay on the edge of the runway, where the plowed snow met the pavement, as heavies would land (at night). The instant the jet would go by, they would sprint out onto the runway to “experience” the jet-wash. They said the 747s and DC-10s made a really warm wind and all kinds of 3D sounds. One night they decided to run out behind a 747 as it was taking off. They described running into a wall of wind that was so strong that it knocked them off their feet and blew them head over heals down the runway. Since it was dark and they were so disoriented, they had no idea how far they blew down the runway. They said that it was one hell of a ride, but none of them ever ran out behind a heavy taking off again!
eskimo
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I don't know how to break it to you, but what you're looking at is a run of the mill JPEG compression artifact. Almost any JPEG image has them near high contrast areas.
Anyhow, you'd think that the fact that so many have attested to having seen this approach in person would persuade you, but I guess you have your own criteria.....
What does goaly think all those people are snapping photos of, the hotel??
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
What does goaly think all those people are snapping photos of, the hotel??
My regards,
Widewing
No, If I had to guess, judging by the angle that thier heads are in, I would believe that they are snapping photos of something that was slightly lower and to the left of the center of the 747 that is displayed in this photo.
I am always open to new ideas, and I am certain that the sight of these aircraft comming in so low is impressive. However, I am not convinced that the photos have not been manipulated. Keeping one of the above posters comments about high contrast areas in mind, I looked again. This time I concentrated on low contrast areas. In the same photo just below the nose gear I followed a horizontal change in colors. To the left of the nosewheel a cloud top ends sharply on this line. To the right of the nosewheel a small cloud bottom begins sharply on this line.
As for my criteria..... Someone asked in the original post if these photos were real. I'm just giving my opinion. Sorry if you are not comfortable with that.
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Goaly there are a bunch of degrees of jpeg compression.... and I've been in one of those very planes.
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To goaly and other disbelievers... No problem. You can continue to think that the photos are fake.
To the rest of you who have been there (like I have) and seen it first-hand:
Imagine being on trial for a crime you didn't commit and the jury is comprised of 12 people like goaly? Scary thought.
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Originally posted by fullback
Imagine being on trial for a crime you didn't commit and the jury is comprised of 12 people like goaly? Scary thought.
Odd, I would want 12 people on the jury who were willing to really look at things and not believe the first thing that they were told..... Unless you think that jury should ONLY listen to the prosecution?
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pics are real. you're wrong. move on man:D
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Goalie, Maybe you should order the video :
St Marteen landing video (http://www.airplanesuperstore.com/video.htm)
It's this sign they talk about :
(http://www.cruisinaltitude.com/images/airports/sxm/P5190043l.jpg)
Here is the 7,000ft runway :
(http://www.airliners.net/open.file/200087/L/)
all from : airliner.net (http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?daterange=year)
What do you think?
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i think the picture with the little girl on the beach with some one else is fake, because when you go to an airshow all the little children cover thier ears when i plane flys by 200ft let alone 30ft above your head and also the little girl and other person are standing there as if there isnt a plane there.
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Maybe a fake...but the little girl is not directly below the Jumbo, it's an optical illusion, she's way closer to the photographer. A little girl is about the size of a 747 nose wheel, at best.
And maybe the lil girl got used to the show as this airport should see more than a landing a every 10 minutes ... at best, after 1 day at the beach ... should start to be boring :D
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damn good, i luv this pic. :eek:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=234086&WxsIERv=Qm9laW5nIEItMTdHIEZseWluZyBGb3J0cmVzcw%3D%3D&WdsYXMg=Q0FG&QtODMg=TWlkbGFuZCAoLyBPZGVzc2EpIC0gSW50ZXJuYXRpb25hbCAoUmVnaW9uYWwpIChNQUYgLyBLTUFGKQ%3D%3D&ERDLTkt=VVNBIC0gVGV4YXM%3D&ktODMp=U2VwdGVtYmVyIDI5LCAxOTk1&WNEb25u=QW5kcukgS3L2Y2hlcg%3D%3D&xsIERvdWdsY=TjkzMjNa&MgTUQtODMgKE=Qy9uIDQ4MzUxNCAiU2VudGltZW50YWwgSm91cm5leSI%3D&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=Njc1NQ%3D%3D&NEb25uZWxs=MjAwMi0wNS0wOA%3D%3D&static=yes&size=M
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The sheer size of a jumbo is making these pics look more incredible than they really are. Note that in all of these pics so far except maybe one, the 747 is more than 100 feet off the ground still, even though it looks lower. The one in the picture that started all this appears to be at about 75 feet approximately (I judge this by the height of the vertical stab). I obviously dont know if the pic is real or not, but I suspect that it may be.
Note: as to the girl not putting fingers in ears, besides the fact that she is much further away than she looks, the noise of a 747 isnt all that much at low power settings, or idle. Now for takeoffs, you can bet that everybody around would probably have their fingers in their ears in that area.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
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Two words: Holy toejam.
I'm no pilot, but that's got to be the shortest 7,000 feet of runway in the world...
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Wellington "International Airport" , New Zealand is 6351ft long (1936 metres). And the very occassional 747 operates from it. Mostly 767 and 737 traffic though.
palef
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hey... there is only one way to find out if this is true, right? Go there yourself :) Must be a fantastic vacationing spot.
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haha Just goes to show how some people that post here are really in disbeleif of how THINGS REALLY ARE.
Its like you try to convince someone of how something is, but they are so blinded by their thoughts that in their mind they are only right. haha..
Its no wonder many here still think that aces has a flight model close to xplane. LoL.
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Originally posted by jbroey3
haha Just goes to show how some people that post here are really in disbeleif of how THINGS REALLY ARE.
Its like you try to convince someone of how something is, but they are so blinded by their thoughts that in their mind they are only right. haha..
Its no wonder many here still think that aces has a flight model close to xplane. LoL.
If irony was quantifiable, this post would have "buttload" of it.
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Originally posted by jbroey3
Its no wonder many here still think that aces has a flight model close to xplane. LoL.
Nice try... Xplane's FM is so wonderful, its no wonder it isn't overpowering the sim market...
-SW
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nuthin' more realistic than a space shuttle with missles and bombs...
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:eek:
(http://rnzaf.net/images/fake1.gif)
(http://rnzaf.net/images/fake2.gif)
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lol, damn that guy is everywhere!
dago
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Originally posted by goaly
This last one looks very nice. But save the image and use a viewer to enlarge it. I mean REALLY zoom in. Look where the image of the aircraft meets the rest of the image. The nose wheel is a very good example.. Zoom in until just the foward landing gear fills your screen. To me, there is an obvious rectangular area around it where the variation of colors in the background change. Looks an awful lot like the edges of a "cut and paste".
I know some people are sure these are not fakes.... Let's just say they have been, "Manipulated".
jpeg distortion. Happens when there is a sudden color shift; one problem with the standard.
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Sad, looks like Goaly has surrendered.
Is he a rook?
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Sad, looks like Goaly has surrendered.
Is he a rook?
I'm sorry Chairboy I did'nt realize you wanted to keep this going :)
Let's take a look at that original picture again....
(http://www.aviationpics.de/app/af747-3.jpg)
I'm still puzzled by the shadows. Take a look at the white car in the foreground. I can't even make out the shape of the tire because the shadows are so harsh. Yet all of the details of the flaps and other items are clearly visable under the wings of the aircraft. Why are'nt those items obscured by shadows? I considered they could be lit by reflected light from the water and sand. But then I don't understand why the farthest engine is so much darker and appears to be in the shadow of the fuselage. I'm also interested in the area of the the bottom of the fuselage that is directly under and infront of the inboard flaps. Where is this light area comming from? It does'nt seem to be a landing gear door.
All I'm saying is I don't take this photo at face value.
As for the country I'm flying for. It's knights right now. But it does'nt really matter. They all have their share of good people.
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But then I don't understand why the farthest engine is so much darker and appears to be in the shadow of the fuselage.
The farthest engine appears to be in the shadow of the wing based on the angle of the shadows on the ground and the sweep of the wings.
Also, the flaps are more visible than under the car because the plane is a light color and you are looking up at it from a lower angle. The car is being viewed from slightly above and the color of the tire matches that color of the shadow, ground and the grill.
The plane's main shadow will fall off to the right side of the picture, just beyond the edge of the picture.
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They always tailgating!
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If you like the pic of the plane in the rear view mirror, you will LOVE this move.:)
405themovie.com (http://www.405themovie.com) I don't save much off of the internet, but this is one of the funniest things I have ever seen. If you have a fast connection, I think it is worth a look.
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ya I have that movie pretty funny stuff, not a 747 though. :D
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lol they one in the link is a fake the one posted on bb is definately real the first one even the sunbathers have an obvius shadow however the plane has none hmmm, it was taken off of the one in the bb and placed over top of the other my2 cents