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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Ripsnort on April 25, 2001, 10:27:00 AM
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Had a fella private me and whine about me killing him after he attempted to ditch.
Normally, if you get someone smoking and they ditch near their own field, you don't get the kill. If they ditch near your field(and you have bullets in him), you'd get the kill.
In this case, this feller was near his own field, we fought for 5 min...finally I got lucky in a scissors and managed a snap shot into the engine with my .50's. He attempted to ditch, I felt I deserved the kill after getting my neck krinked for 5 min. Bang, your dead, no prison food, no cold nights on wooden beds with no sheets. Just a bright light. (Okay, so its a replane here!)
Now, after reading the "Leading by example" thread, maybe I might not fall into that example, but hey, if its flying, I consider it a threat..at the time of firing on him, I thought he might go low and come up behind me after I overshot him, thus, I made SURE he wouldn't do that. It was only after I killed him did I know that was a ditch attempt, afterall our fight degraded to about 100 feet above the ground.
Right or wrong? Not that your opinion will ever convince me otherwise, just curious as to how many finish the job...how many just 'leave the scene when an enemy appears to be injured/smoking..etc.
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 04-25-2001).]
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I only switch targets if there is a threat to me or a buddy nearby, usualy I will finish it, not always though... depends of the Ammo I have and the "mood" thing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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[This message has been edited by Saintaw (edited 04-25-2001).]
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More than half of the times when I've gave a chance for someone to go and ditch with smoking engine, they've tried to still get me when I've disengaged.
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the fights not over till someone is dead.
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You have 2 choices:
Try to ditch and get strafed or try to bail and got shot in your chute.
Either way-- damned if you do, damned if you don't.
-SW
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I've made the mistake more than once of assuming a ditch, pass on him, and he comes up behind me firing. Ain't gonna happen again. Shoot him till he bleeds. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Been killed many times by someone I let ditch who turned around and killed me.
Or worse let him ditch and someone from my side swoops down for the easy kill and I only get an assist. (Just happened Sat. in HS)
I still try most of the times to let the guy ditch. Not always but most times.
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Originally posted by Mighty1:
(Just happened Sat. in HS)
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Awww, c'mon, stop pulling our leg (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Aren't the scores in HS based on "Visuals" and "reports" ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Saw
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Now, after reading the "Leading by example" thread, maybe I might not fall into that example, but hey, if its flying
Actually Rip, the part about "don't tell others how to fly" says you were right (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
You are given credit for killing a plane, but not if he ditches. The game dictates your behavior was apropriate.
There are no "time outs" in combat.
Killing a ditching plane falls into the same category as killing a plane after the pilot calls "ammo". Its an enemy aircraft and he's in front of you.
AKDejaVu
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a kill is a kill is a kill
I got griped at one day because enroute to target I seen a lo nme 190 smoking and went down and shot him down he complained about my lack of honor for not letting him ditch bah
I watch a show on discovery wings channel one day on the battle of Britain a spit pilot said he smoked a guys motor and let him go and that guy got picked up by his own side and he came back and killed some more of the British pilots so he never did it again....
the only time I do not finish it is when there is a bigger threat in the area then the guy ditching it is called warfare and my job is to exterminate with extreme prejudice
outlaw
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He engaged in a dogfight with you. He died. End of story.
SOB
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Interesting discussion. Certainly, there is no "sport" in shooting down crippled planes. Galantry was fairly common in WW1 but much less so in WW2. From a historical perpective, killing ditching planes and shooting chutes was distasteful to most of the better pilots. But, WW2 was a brutal war, a war of attrition, no holds barred. "All is fair in love or war." Planes can be replaced in days by resupply and weeks by construction. Pilots took months to train and years to become proficient. If your intent is to win the war and damage the other side's effort then the first priority would be to kill the pilots as they are the hardest to replace. If the germans had of killed 20 or 30 more British pilots in the Battle of Britan, they would probably have defeated England. So kill chutes and planes over their territory, leave to be captured over yours.
Hell this is a game, if you feel generous and it was a good fight give em a salute and cover them while they ditch, otherwise "kill em all and let God sort em out."
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I've allowed a few ditches as a mark of admiration and respect, but only in an isolated spot where the other guy put up a great fight in an inferior aircraft.... I never expect to be allowed to ditch when I'm shot up in a fight - a guy should bail if he wants to live.
Sometimes I will pull off a damaged target if I notice I'm getting into a bad situation, but very often that damaged plane will crash while attempting to ditch. If he makes it down ok then he deserved to.
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what phantom & natedog said
Eagler
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If I Know An aircraft is incapable of continuing a fight, most of the time I'll let it go, I save ammo that way, and the less time I spend on an aircraft that is no longer a threat the more time I can spend looking out for those who are threats. Kill or no Kill I still had fun with it, its the reason I play the game. But as long as a Plane is still a potential threat the logical thing to do is eliminate it.
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i got strafed last night ditching - know why?
i knew i was low on fuel and instead of using it to extend to safety(the smart move)i went for the kill!(the fish move)
ya get what ya get! usally the straffee is pissed at himself for fighting with a missing aileron or on low fuel or whatever and looking to displace blame to the strafer.
what do you do get on ch 1 and tell the guy you mismanaged your fuel could he please go away? "hey attacker my roll rate is off or something could you leave...mmmmbuh bye thanks ciao!"- heck no!~ take yer medicine i say - even if its a damage ditch the object is to kill the guy and you did the right thing - he's gotta know the rules and risks - and live and die by them -
ever get in a bar fight and get your tooth knocked out - "ok ok guy hold on a sec..." no way they just keep hammerin ya till they get tired right?
war is hell - strafe strafe strafe strafe!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I allow ditches if I am out of ammo or if I just can't get around in time to finish him.
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As far as I'm concerned if he jumps to his chute I leave him alone (Don't want to revive the chute shooting threads, but a guy in a chute isn't a threat) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) but if his plane is complete enough to manage a landing there is enough of it left to have another pop at me, Shoot him down everytime.
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[This message has been edited by snafu (edited 04-25-2001).]
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Not many things piss me off more than someone leaving me alone to ditch in peace.
anRky
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I won't usually attack planes with the black "no engine" smoke pouring out, as there are generally more important things to attend to.
However, every time I have ever needed to ditch with enemies nearby they try to kill me. Sometimes they auger though and give me the last laugh (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I don't mind very much though as it's only a game and if I'm trying to ditch it means the flight's about to end anyway.
In fact I've seen as many as 3 or 4 enemies all blow their alt to shoot my helpless plane, in the process giving my buddies the advantage. Seems silly to me, but people do it. I've picked off people doing that, too.
I assume that most people in the game consider anything with a red ICON to be fair game, and actually I do too whether I shoot it or not.
J_A_B
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I handle it like USAAF and a lot of other forces handled it: If he's not going to be captured, make sure he doesn't survive.
If guys don't want to die, they can always bail and open their chute low, and they'll almost always survive.
But if they don't bail, then survival is not the issue. The only purpose that ditching could serve is to deny me a kill. And I am not going to let them do that.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 04-25-2001).]
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If it were a real human in the plane, I would prolly leave him alone since he is now out of the fite.
Since this is a game, however, and we all have unlimited lives and fly to get the kill message, strafe the bastage. You won the fite, he didnt. Take your award.
If he was pissed that he ended getting killed instead of ditched, he should have bailed.
Whenever I ditch, I entirely expect to get strafed by enemy. If he gets me nice job. If he doesnt, oh well. We both will be back up to try again (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
On the other hand, if he bails, I will leave him alone.
-Ding
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If it has a red icon and is in my AO – I’m shooting at it! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Zippatuh
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If it ain't dead, your job isn't finished.
Sax
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Kill the ditchers!
Dago
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I've been known to let someone ditch, especially if it was a really good fight and I feel like the other pilot deserves it or especially if taking the time to go after him will put me or my flight in more danger. And I've been known to wind the bastage's clock from time to time especially if he's caused a lot of trouble lately (i.e., whining or killing fellow pilots). Also depends upon whether or not it's someone I respect or not.
Fickle me ...
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Once I chased beaten down p38 for 5 min untill he tryed to ditch, what a foolish mistake that was (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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If I decide to let someone ditch after a fight, its my decision. Just like if I was ditching its his decision wether he sends me back to the tower in fast fashion. If someone whined about my decision to shoot them down Id probably make a point of shooting them in their chute just to spread the hate (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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This makes a great case for HTC modeling NAPALM.
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Fester, Ripsnort here (BBS ate my user name in the last crash), I'm sitting here laughing at your 'Location'... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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test
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Thumbs down . I love to hear em whine
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I tried to land a smoking wreck more than once only to get chased by the one NME a/c in the area with 5-10 of my country chasing him. Someone going for the easy meat. So I do this, I keep a list in my head, and wait for them to call 'rtb fuel/ammo' I say "sure thing mac" recalling all the while what that pilot did last time my plane was in trouble. I then proceed not only to shoot the plane down but I often follow the wreckage down filling it full of even more holes. I look around for a chute afterward and usually will strafe the ground where the plane crashed as sort of a 'cleansing ritual' if you will.
Man Oh man are you guys gullible if you read that. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
You fly you die,plain and simple...you bail you sail, I won't waste the ammo on ya. Anything else would be too damn dweeby.
But hey..if the guys on final approach at his own airfield,let him go,anything else is a vulch..and no one wants to be a vulcher..right? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
[This message has been edited by Twist (edited 04-25-2001).]
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I usually kill ditchers.
Specially after I have used the tactic to effectively killed agressors before. I fake a ditch, and as they blindly come to kill me, I power up and catch them. Boom. Whine.
Still if its a good 1 on 1 fight, and he fought good, and I know its a good guy, I just let him go. I already won the fight in my mind anyways, I dont care for what goes to the kill buffer.
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Fatty: At times, but only if they want to.
Nethawk: Theyre scum
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I don't shoot ditchers, unless I have ammo left.
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Its happened to me so many times i cant count em heheh... ill onl kill that way if i feel like it sort of a payback when they do it to me ..its part of this game he needs deal with it my opinion is mine (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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DRILL
[This message has been edited by DRILL (edited 04-25-2001).]
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Usually I try and kill someone who tries to ditch on me, but come in to fast and ram them, giving them a kill.
I must say you make more friends that way. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Btw I try to give C-47's a chance to turn around or ditch (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
- Bessy
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Ripsnort you "felt like you deserved the kill"
and strafed him. You dweeb ;D
You won, why would you need some stupid kill message. Because you deserve it? heh..i dont quite get it.
Ill revard you now:
Victory 1 by Ripsnort
Victory 2 by Ripsnort
Victory 3 by Ripsnort
feeling better? ...eh?
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Kill em!
I expect folks to kill me when I try to ditch.
If they get me... then good for them.
If they don't... then too bad for them.
eskimo
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(fanatic mode on)
I wish we had napalm. Also torturing captured pilots would be nice before killing them.
In ww2 USAF dropped Nukes on civilians, so i advice you to do it too.
Kill em!! Kill em!! Shoot em in the neck!!!
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Originally posted by Jigster:
Btw I try to give C-47's a chance to turn around or ditch (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
LOL. Actually got one C47 back a while ago to actually turn around once. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I called on on 1, "Attention Rook C47 East of 38...you are in violation of Bish airspace. Turn back on heading 090 and head directly back to 2."
I then pulled directly behind him, fired over his plane and repeated my request. Odd thing was, that C47 actually turned around and headed back to 2!!! LOL! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Escorted him all the way back there and was killed by his buddies there (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
At least we held onto 38 for just a bit longer (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Ding
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Sorry people, double post.
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System: Victoy 33894756029 By VFJACKAL of VF14 IRONANGELS
System:you just killed "Your Lucky" of I'll kill you when i fnally get off the runway"
LOLOL...J/K..More like
System: You have been killed
System: You sucked has killed you.....Is more what it reads....
I've let a few go. Don't bother me like it does you all cause I get to land.
Jackal
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Nuthing attracts me more than wounded prey (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I kill ditchers and expect people to do the same to me. If my tiffie pops its engine (or even a wing... right drex?) and I'm nowhere near home then I turn it into the most aggressive glider you've ever seen and I've even managed up to 3 kills at times in a engine-challenged-state (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I never expect anyone not to shoot me ditching or bailing. If someone lets me go, it's a nice thing. But to get on the radio and say the person had no honor shows ingnorance and lack of honor.
What I usually do is try my best to kill a ditcher or bailer, miss, lawn dart, and give him a kill and chuckle. Hey! I like to cheer folks up =o)
grizzly
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I tend to take it on a case by case basis. Most the times I'd go ahead and zap 'em so I get some reward for my efforts. Only times I'd consider otherwise would be if I knew the other guy then I might just buzz him or if like Mathman I got a plea for mercy from someone who for one reason or another I felt deserved it for a battle well fought. Oh well just my 2 cents. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Ditch a strafing pilot?
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If it's just me and the bad guy, we get itno a great fight, I get his engine, I'llusually tell 'em on channel 1 to ditch. If it's a furball, I'll usually lower the boom on him.
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If the pilot is clearly making a ditch attempt/RTB and it was a good fight or I know the pilot I'll check radar for friendlies in his direction. If there are I'll give a <S> and a few rounds, If not I'll escort till I'm sure he's clear and see him later. Ofcourse it all depends on mood also. Someone did mention that ww2 was less on galantry but this is also just a game and circumstances providing I "usualy" don't 'whack' the guy that is trying to ditch. If he turns on me to set up a shot then it's "No mercy" , you shoulda kept going.
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Rip the way I see it the only reason to ditch is to deprive the other guy of points. So untill I get credit for a kill when the smoking slag ditches I shoot till dead or bails. Note bail near our field and I will also fire but not in middle of nowhere. Last night I had a request to kill a guy who bailed high and was hanging, I had a heart and helped him replane soner.
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We've all pretty much stated how we handle a ditching aircraft, with quite a few different interpretations of how to handle it.
I guess the main problem in this situation isn't the way Rip handled the ditching aircraft, but rather the way the victim handled Rip's actions. Rather, how do each of you handle it when someone does something to you that you don't particularly like (in the arena that is)?
AKDejaVu
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AKDejaVu,
I usually just mumble a few nice things to myself and replane. It does no good to voice negative opinions on any Channel.
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I don't disagree Acid.
I don't think it really matters what Rip did to shoot the other guy down. I do think it matters how the victim responds verbally to an arial battle.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Fatty:
I don't shoot ditchers, unless I have ammo left.
i've seen you ram ditchers fatty dont lie (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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hehe Vulcan... You did shock the crap out of me when I removed your wingtip and told you to go home and land it on open channel. With gear down on final I look to the left and here comes this wiggle waggle moving Tiffy with 20mm flinging everywhere. You even pinged me once if I recall. Then its gear up, firewall, and swat the tiffy gnat.
Was fun...
Drex
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Oh...that's a big No...No in my books. I wait until the ditcher manages put her down and comes to a complete stop. Just as the canopy is opened I let the QUADS GO. I don't want any glass hindering the cannons ballistics.
Cheers
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Easy call here Rip.
Knock it down or it could come back to haunt you when he slips out of the noose you put around his neck and then drops a few hits on you and you die.
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