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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Thrawn on September 03, 2002, 09:05:26 AM
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"Parents hope implanted microchip will foil abductions
Last Updated Mon, 02 Sep 2002 21:39:54
READING, ENGLAND - A couple in England say they're going to have a global positioning microchip implanted in their daughter's arm to find her in case she's abducted.
The Duval family said Monday they decided to make the move after the recent murders of 10-year-old girls Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
Danielle, their daughter, says she has agreed to the procedure. But the scientist who developed the device says a debate should take place about whether implanting the chip would violate the girl's rights.
The chip is about 2.5 cm long and is implanted under the skin. It can be tracked by computer.
The parents haven't said when the chip will be implanted. "
http://cbc.ca/stories/2002/09/02/microchip020902
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I don't like the idea of Big Brother, however I'd install Lojack in my 4 year old daughter if it was possible. I'd have it deactivated when she was 18 of course.
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Lojack?
Yea, I got a 14 yr. old daughter. I'd like a remotely operated shock device... not on her, on the freaking scumwad boys she will soon be seeing.
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Child's rights? Next thing you know our semen will have rights too.
I think Child chip implants are a good idea in this world we've sown thus far...have them with a deactivator code at a set age and or removed.
The down side is, parents would depend more on the chip, and probably pay less attention to exactly what they're doing and where the kids are....
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
The down side is, parents would depend more on the chip, and probably pay less attention to exactly what they're doing and where the kids are....
Right on, Ripsnort...
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Any parents here have an "internal timer" that automatically goes off roughly every 1-2 min. when your doing something, and also watching your kids? By that I mean like your working in the yard, the kids are playing out back...suddenly its quieter than normal, your "two min timer" goes off and you think "hey, its quieter than normal..." then you go check on the kids...I think its a natural part of parental nature in most parents (I say "most" because a few crack heads are probably wondering what day they changed the diapers on their kids last...)
Our 6 yr.old likes to visit his friend down the street, about 4 houses away. We let him have his independence and ride his bike over there..but he must call us once he arrives..just a safety thing...I'd still have him do this even if we had a GPS chip on him...though the "chip" sounds pretty bizarre, I'd have to wait and see how this is implanted, tested...maybe in a few years when its just an atomized chip injected via a shot or something, dissolvable at a certain age (shrugs)
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great idea that would probably get abused as per rip's description.
I'm sure many people would cry 'big brother'... that is until it's their child that's missing. At that point I'm sure the parents would be kicking themselves in wishing the child was easy to locate.
It'd make Amber alerts a thing of the past.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Lojack?
Yea, I got a 14 yr. old daughter. I'd like a remotely operated shock device... not on her, on the freaking scumwad boys she will soon be seeing.
Check http://www.lojack.com
It's the intent. Not that the same system could be used for children.
About your 14 year old daughter? Don't worry at all. She probably will only want to date guys who were just like her father when he was 16ish.
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Originally posted by rogwar
About your 14 year old daughter? Don't worry at all. She probably will only want to date guys who were just like her father when he was 16ish.
Where do you think I got the description of the boys?
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Originally posted by rogwar
About your 14 year old daughter? Don't worry at all. She probably will only want to date guys who were just like her father when he was 16ish.
Oh man! (Looks for Sure-Wipes and Windex....)
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It make sense.... if you live in an area with a high rate of child abductions...
then again, I dunno... seems more like these parents don't know how to teach their kid how to take care of themselves.
What was it? I know I saw something when I was a kid... oh yeah that's right... don't talk to strangers, don't get in a car with a stranger, if the stranger is a dude, kick him in the jimmy and run away...
But, I guess a GPS system is much better than a swift kick to the balls.
-SW
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with the upcoming ski-season I'm beginning to think this would rock for tourist kids...
you have no idea how often we get missing kid reports on the mountain.
maybe just a temporary one.. a 24/hour stick on or something..
or better yet, in the lift ticket.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Child's rights? Next thing you know our semen will have rights too.
Are you being sarcastic? Of course kids have rights.
If some company can track your kid through some chip, who else do you think can?
I think our kids should expect a reasonable amount of privacy when they get older. Would you bug their rooms as well?
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its a tiny step from tracking our 4 year olds, to having chips implanted either right after or right before birth in our infants. With the ability to be tracked from the womb to the grave.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Where do you think I got the description of the boys?
lol ;)
I feel the same way! I guess I can only teach my daughter to use her best judgement.
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No child of mine will ever wear one.
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I guess it'll make it easier to locate their bodies after they've been murdered.
J_A_B
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And yet we see the latest in parental Lazy-Aid technology. Now you don't have to waste time watching your kids and spending time with them...now you know where they are 24/7!
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But Kieran, it’s the perfect right wing deal.. you can plant these chips in infants and when they get older you can scoop em’ up before they commit a crime.
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Imagine if every person were implanted with a GPS device at birth. Imagine we develop the technology to keep a retrevable data base that can pinpoint the exact location of an individual at any given time during their lifetime. Imagine that this data could be cross referenced to reveal the identities of all other individuals at the same location at that perticular time. Actually we aren't that far away from having the ability to do this now, but imagine if everyone were equipped with this device.
Serial crime would become obsolete. By cross referencing the location of the victim we'd know who was present at the crime scene and, even more importantly, where they are right now. Police work would be much easier if an alibi could be checked on a squad car computer by referencing a suspect's previous locations. We could solve previously hard to solve crimes like hit and run, arson and burgulary simply by cross referencing the location of a crime with those that have been there.
We aren't far away from having the potential to do this. Based upon the general good to society a concept like mandatory GPS implants would provide does this seem like a path we should pursue? I'm undecided myself, but what if we used this technology to solve crimes and civil disputes by requiring the implantation of every American? Good idea or bad idea?
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Bad idea. The crimes might be solved, but the crimes would still happen. A better solution would be to kill everyone. Then we can guarantee crime wouldn't happen anymore.
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Imagi ne installing these chips at birth. Imagine the government realizing its potential. Imangine the government being unwilling to deactivate the chips at 18, even if they say they have.
The usual argument of 'if you are a law abiding citizen, you do not have to worry' simply is a straw man argument.
I do NOT want the government to be able to track me. They do not have the right to know where I am at what moment in time.
Republicans should fight this tooth and nail - it goes against everything related to the freedom and privacy of the individual - and offers 'protection' and 'safety', which in reality is just 'governemnt ability to control subjects'.
Many here are fond of the saying 'he who prefers safety over freedom deserves neiither' (paraphrasing). If it isn't relevant here, I dunno where it is relevant.
So where are the freedom fighters? Not many words from them yet. Most seems content with it being a ood law enforcement tool (as would keeping the subjects locked up in cells and only let out to work).
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Why is this a bad idea? For argument's sake let's suppose there's safeguards in place that pinpointing ones whereabouts is done in the event you are either the victim- or the perprator- of a crime. Wouldn't you want law enforcement to have this technology to solve the crime? If not- then why not? After all, we allow other forms of clandistine police surveillance such as infared detectors to detect indoor pot gardens or listening devices to hear your conversations without warrant, and I'd feel more violated if the authorities used these presently legal tatics than if they had the ability to tie me to a crime scene as either a victim, witness or perpertrator. Are our whereabouts a private matter when we're in a public place?
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Most children are kidnapped by their parent who doesn't have legal custody of them, not some stranger on the street. It might be better if we start putting chips in the parents.
Anyone here devorced and have children from the previous marrage? If you don't have sole custody, I suggest you sign up for being "chipped" right away.
As a policing tool this chip would rock. However, isn't there an underlying assuption of guilt?
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Originally posted by Elfenwolf
Are our whereabouts a private matter when we're in a public place?
I wouldn't think so. But wouldn't they also know our whereabouts if we were in a private place?
I wouldn't trust ANY government with this type of information. To much potiential for abuse.
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some of you are paranoid again
If the chips work as advertised, they'll sell like hotcakes
I'd consider one for my kids if they were younger, my wife would definitely chip me if I were in my early 20's :)
I'd be more for chipping the criminals and pervs first. Right after the trial at which they are found guilty - ZAP - in goes the chip. Hypo them right there in the courtroom. May even serve as a deterent of sorts - imagine that.