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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Mister Fork on September 03, 2002, 06:43:16 PM
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Knowing how busy the boys are with other items, we need to get organized on getting important elements fixed in our favorite hobby.
Since I'm the one opening my big mouth, I would like to take charge of this train, and hope it doesn't runaway from us. I would like to submit a formal list with data to Dale -n- Doug in one lump item. It a lot easier for them to fix a bunch of items at once, put it all through one QA test, and then release it to the general public.
Lets start off by collecting all the items that need attention. From that list, I'm going to ask for volunteers to test what is wrong, or do some research, capture the results, and then put it into a fix/modify list. From that fix list, items are prioritized based on the severity it has on gameplay (ie wanky damage models, missing weapons, etc)
If you would like to contribute to this effort, please reply to this posting with your aircraft, the problem, and how it affects gameplay. Let's get organized so we can make a proper list that will get the attention it deserves.
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Aircraft - Mosquito
Problem - too easy to damage; wierd damage glitches
How it affects gameplay - supposedly "tough" plane is a flying cigarette lighter in AH, less durable than even a Zero.
Aircraft - FW-190F-8
Problem - missing several useful loadout options, particularly 250 kg wing bombs
How it affects gameplay - makes Allies vs Axis setups tough to balance properly
Aircraft - Ki-84
Problem - it isn't currently in AH
How it affects gameplay - Pacific Allies vs Axis setups difficult to balance
Aircraft - F4U-1D/C/-4; FW-190A/F
Problem - cockpit graphics butt ugly
How it affects gameplay - big turnoff to people trying AH for first time
J_A_B
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Ta152
-Climb rate
-Max speed
-At high alts @ 400 MPH 1 medium turn will result in you being 200 MPH or less
-Model Gm-1, Mw50
-Wing tanks should only carry 25% for most AH sorites
Fw190A-8
-Trigger grouping should be changable,
-Fuel order should be Ext, Aux, Aft, Fwd
-Mk103 cannons
Fw190 A-5
-Deck speed
-Even when you unselect the Mgff, they are still there, just no ammo in them
-Fuel order should be Ext, Aft, Fwd
Fw190F-8
-No panzer Blitz rockets
-Please review eny value, 25 is just a bit too low
-Fuel order should be Ext, Aux, Aft, Fwd
-Mk103 cannons
Fw190D-9
-Radiator always hit from dead 6 position
-Consider R4M rockets for 190D-9 and 262 pleassseee :)
-Fuel order should be Ext, Aft, Fwd
Bf109E-4
-Please look at roll rate
-Are the mine rounds modeled for the MgFF cannons? In WW2OL, you see the actuall 20mm round explode in the air, creating a flak puff if it didnt detinate (make contact with enemy aircraft)
Bf109G-2
-Didn't this carry 200 20mm rounds with the 1x20mm 2x7mm option?
Bf109G-6
-This aircraft had many different loadout options (30mm/20mm/13mm), can we have some of the others? (Ie: a later G-6 (/AS maybe) with 30mm (mk108) gondolas
Bf109F-4
-Was their an option for the F-4 to be abve to carry the Gondolas? from what I have read, they didn't carry them
Bf109G-10
-500 Kg bomb
Ju88
-More bomb loadout options please, same for Il-2
-20mm MgFF gondola option
Ar234
-Different load outs
-Better tail gun
C202/205
-Bomb options
Bf110G-2
-37mm option
Bf110C-4
-The tail gun on this plane did have a gunsight like the tail gun on the G-2. In AH we only have a little needle
-Are the mine rounds modeled for the MgFF cannons? In WW2OL, you see the actuall 20mm round explode in the air, creating a flak puff if it didnt detinate (make contact with enemy aircraft)
Il-2
-Different loadouts please :)
La7
-Has wayyyyy to many postives and few negtaives.
Result on gameplay:
-Rank weenie's ride o' choice
-Piolts with fragle ego's ride of chocie
-Give's you that "I am invincable" feeling too easy
-I know new guys need a crutuch, but this is giving them an electric wheelchair.
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Mines not broken...
Typhoon..
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Dog out...........
One more thing, Glasses whines to much..
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Looks at Allied Swhiner bait,swims away. :D
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190D9 Hi speed handling (poor).
Typh Hi speed handling (superb).
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Bombers:
1) Damage Migration: 1 turret knocked out on 1 plane currently = same turret knocked out on all planes
2) Phantom Damage: Cause a drone engine to leak oil and eventually all 3 planes will loose that same engine entirely --> without showing any damage.
3) Buff Guns now pathetic as is Buff Value
Fighters
1) Seafire IIC range seems to be off. At present it is the same as the Spit Mk V. Actual difference: Spit 5=470 miles, Seafire IIC=755 miles
Everything else I can think of seems to have been covered.
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
190D9 Hi speed handling (poor).
Typh Hi speed handling (superb).
I still don't see why it should be different :confused: :confused:
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If you think typhoon hi speed handling is superb, I need introduce you to some the rest of aces high plane set :) Typhoon rolls like an overloaded cement mixer.
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What Heinkel said, plus:
190D9 - compresses too early.
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Luftwabble whining alert mode on
ok get me 2 X 2000lbs for under my p38
i wanna bomb them whine dweebs
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> Luftwabble whining alert mode on
rofl...
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Aircraft: Hurricane IID
Problem: 40mm cannon is porked. The plane throws itself about everywhere making aiming impossible. The recoil should be the same of the 20mm- only difference is that the plane noses down when it shoots. I can't be sure but i think i remember the cannon being linked to fire at the same time too.
How it affects gameplay: It makes the 4Hurri IID useless- it's easier to kill tanks with 20mm.
I Would add a link to the hurri IID thread but search had been disabled.
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Aircraft: A-20G
Problem: Missing a gun position!
http://www.innomi.com/A-20TunnelGun.jpg
There were other pictures posted, but the search function isn't working so I can't go find em.
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Heinkel pretty much said it, can probarly add overall 190 high speed compression though.
Mandoble said it too...
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190's did not carry Mk103's in operational aircraft and the trigger groupings were not selectable, they were hard wired.
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Aircraft - Spit 5
Issue - No D/T's available
Impact - Range
RASCAL
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Didn't see he typed that one Verm. Trigger group was not as we have it though. They were selectable, got some pilot reports of it.
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They were selectable in the sense you could physically re-wire the airplane. You could so this for any WW2 airplane if you really wanted to though so the FW-190 isn't unique in that regard.
The 190's trigger group IS wrong right now in AH though; primary should be the cowling MG's plus inner cannon, secondary should be outer cannon.
J_A_B
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Wow! that'd be good Jab indeed.
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Wow. Lots of good stuff.
I'd ask that those responding to this thread either add to the existing debate with supporting evidence, add to existing bugs, or rebutt problems with evidence.
Please, keep the peanut gallery comments to another topic. ;)
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Good Idea Fork . . . Good Luck,
F4F-4, FM-2
The Gauge which displays Rate of Climb/Decent, is inacurate.
The needle rotates at the wrong point, level flight shows correct but if you climb or dive you'll see what I mean.
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No arguement that what we have in AH is wrong, one firing circuit controlled the cowl guns and the inner cannons, and the second controlled the outter cannons and any gondola's. AH's error actually benefits the A series pilot.
But it was not pilot selectable, beyond a physical modification to the aircraft. I have the firing circuit diagram if you want too see it.
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I agree, while in air, you can't change it. but while on the groud, or before you up, you should be able to chnage it.
The way we have it now isn't good. I'd use the 2x20mm and 2x13mm for fighters only, and save the 30mm for buffs. As it as now, you cant use the 20mm without wasting the 30mm. As for the Fw190F/A-8 with Mk103's it was used in small #'s on the Russian front agaisnt armor
BTW pic is from the book Alfred Price - The Focke Wulf 190 in Combat
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I recommend that anyone who is going to make claims post some actual proof. Such as documents and filmed tests that show how the game is not in line with them.
Any thing else is just an opinion.
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Proof has been posted for everything I have mentioned 1000 times...if you want proof, go dig the treads up.
As for the other stuff...Ju88/234/202/205/Il-2 bomb loads, it's just common knowlegde that they had many more bomb options then we have in AH.
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Hey, you are the guys that want the changes, not me.
HTC has told you what they want in order to consider a change. I suggest that if you really want the changes, you provide the info on silver platter.
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Originally posted by Heinkel
Proof has been posted for everything I have mentioned 1000 times...if you want proof, go dig the treads up.
Ok Heinkel, did you read what the original; poster asked for? This is someone that asks for a list of what is perceived to be incorrect and the proof that it is correct. Why is he asking this? I don't think he is calling you a luftwhiner or a cheesedick or anyhting like that. He wants to make it easier for HTC to actually check the info and see if a correction needs to be made.
When you get defensive, people could care less if what you say has merit. I know I could give a crap. However, it seems to me that all that you were asked for was to include the proof to make collecting the packeage to be sent in easier.
After seeing your response complete with the hyperbole that seems to go hand in hand with the LW whines... errrr constructive criticisms, I hope that none of your requests get fixed. I get too much enjoyment from watching you chase your tail and get all pissy when someone mentions that you might be whining.;
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Well when proof has been posted 1000 times, I really dont feel like posting it again. If you seach back through this BBS, you will find a thread or two for every topic about LW planes I brought up. I'm sure if there was a problem with your favortie ride, the F6F, you would bring it up. All I did was simply list what I saw wrong, and then people start asking for proof. I'm not posting the proof 1 more time, go and find it your self...it's all on this BBS
Plus, enough with the proof. After a few allied whines, the p38 got fixed. The typhoon got it's Drop tanks. I wonder why they havn't fixed somthing as obvious as the 190 Fuel order? or the Ta152 speeds? When Allied fans get every problem on their plane fixed ASAP, LW/Italian/IJN/IJA (Axis)fans would expect the same.
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Here ya go Mr Fork :cool:
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Acid, I hurt myself LOL, good one:)
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Ok, yes, I would post if there was something wrong with the F6F. Never said that you shouldn't. What I am saying is that the intent of this thread, if I am not mistaken, was to ultimately help you in getting your planes fixed. He asked that the supporting proof be included. If you don't include it, then it will be considered just opinion. Nowhere did anyone in this thread say that you have never posted proof. Nobody in this thread has said that those things don't need to be fixed.
Oh well, any time trying to explain anything to you will be lost in your feelings of persecution and acute sense of paranoia.
Hope you all enjoy the rest of this thread and I hope that the changes that need to be made actually happen.
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i need to save that can of worms,,,lol
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f6f,,should turn better than it does in here
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Originally posted by Heinkel
When Allied fans get every problem on their plane fixed ASAP, LW/Italian/IJN/IJA (Axis)fans would expect the same.
BS, complete and utter BS. You are saying that there is a bias with HTC. Remember when the 190a5 was introduced with glaring energy problem (along with the D30)? It was fixed. How about when the Arado's tail gun was added??? Or when the N1K was realized that it had ajn issue with its ammo load?? All of these were player realized problems. Same thing with the D11, P-38, all AC that have manned guns like the B-17, IL2, etc...
You are in the running for the most blatent and unjustified whine though. Congrats!
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math everything heinkel stated has been backed up with "proof" in numerous threads.
No one ever asked for more niki ammo, they did say the chog the d11 and niki we over weight or held to much e. It took months of "whines" before they were addressed.
The p38 was whined about aswell and it was "fixed". The f6f stall was whined about as much as anything, it was fixed.
Dont under estimate whining, a simple chart and a request hasn't gotten anything fixed :)
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Wotan,
Actually some Japanese players did ask for the N1K2-J's ammo to be fixed. They posted scans from an original N1K2-J manual that listed the ammo loads for the ground crews. That is why the N1K2-J's ammo was increased.
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Originally posted by -ammo-
BS, complete and utter BS. You are saying that there is a bias with HTC. Remember when the 190a5 was introduced with glaring energy problem (along with the D30)? It was fixed. How about when the Arado's tail gun was added??? Or when the N1K was realized that it had ajn issue with its ammo load?? All of these were player realized problems. Same thing with the D11, P-38, all AC that have manned guns like the B-17, IL2, etc...
You are in the running for the most blatent and unjustified whine though. Congrats!
We stand corrected except for the A5/234 all the others seem like allied rides to me. Looks around, nope no lights on. Conspiracy? For as long as I have been readin these boards and the countless data that has been shown it is pretty obvious what is going on.
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Originally posted by Wotan
No one ever asked for more niki ammo, they did say the chog the d11 and niki we over weight or held to much e. It took months of "whines" before they were addressed.
The p38 was whined about aswell and it was "fixed". The f6f stall was whined about as much as anything, it was fixed.
As karnak said. It was player realized and addressed with documents on the N1K ammo load. HTC responded after a considerable amount of time. If the search feature was enabled I could show you. . Same with the D11. Pyro said he figured out the problem in the code and said the D11 was several pounds to light, fixed later. F6F, same. Arado, same. You know, maybe folks expect them to stop what they are doing and fix these problem immediately...
Now...IF someone were to accuse them of being bias, or whatever ludicrus insult, then I imagine that does not help the way the see your concern over your "insert your problem with your ac"
I on the other hand think that HTC is very generous with adding not just alot of new AC, but now we have *three*, count *three* LW JETS. ANd you think they have a bias torward American AC??????
You guys are smoking dope.
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the d11 was fixed after guys whined, same with the f6f the chog weight and the niki e retention.
You imply that the lw guys wanted a 262 or a 234 or a 163. That aint the case. Ht can model any plane he wants. Most of the guys who fly lw planes rarely even fly the 3 that are perked now.
Theres numerous post that start with 1 guy posting a chart. Then
you self-appointed whiner police fill the thread with toejam stirring non-sense.
I havent ever whined over how any ac are modelled. But whining seems to have worked in lots of instances.
If you are so sick of the whiners then you know their names add umm to your ignore list. No one makes you read these threads. I suspect you know the content even before you read them. You just come here to stir the pot some more.
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Theres numerous post that start with 1 guy posting a chart. Then
you self-appointed whiner police fill the thread with toejam stirring non-sense.
If you are so sick of the whiners then you know their names add umm to your ignore list. No one makes you read these threads. I suspect you know the content even before you read them. You just come here to stir the pot some more.
Couldn't have said it better my self.
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What other Jets would they add? The Arado is usless now anyway becides the guns are almost usless without the sight working, which is also a dive bomb sight which would make the Arado more usable.
The Me 163 is a rocket man:) and will not be perked, acording to what I heard.
Yes we all know HTC does indead adress issues that is perhaps the single coolest thing about them is that that do indead listen, we all know that big brother is watching and we all know that if we putforth enough data that HTC will fix it. I can think of at least 5 things that I have wined for and goten.
Hull gun on the Panzer.
Ammo increased on the George.
Attack mode added to planes( Zero, La 5 & 7 amongst others)
The Metric bomb weight vs pound weight issue, HiTech said He would fix this 2 patchs ago......
The Ar 234 gun issue partialy fixed
I dont think any of us truly expect HTC to fix everything at once, the thing is howeaver their are things that have not been adressed and as time goes on the paticense whears thin, people get pissy and the more they fly the more pissy they get that these issues are not resolved. The luftwhiner lable is imo generaly highly inflamatory and those who use it are just trying to stire the pot as they say, does it suprise anyone that someone who flys mostly Luftwaffe planes would raise points that pertain to those planes? . Yes these are emotional issues for some of us we love this game and hope to see good things come from it. Wheather anyone wants to admit it their are several camps in AH, brit lovers, US lovers and.... well you get the point, when one groops gets more than their fair share of attention then people can get iratable.
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My post is BS?
When numerous post's about the 152's speed and 190A-5's speed have been posted since I have joined up (about July 2001), and such an obvious problem hasn't been fixed, you tell me what's BS. The 190A-5 has a big problem. I could see 1-3 MPH off, but 18? that could easily mean life or death. All 152 Speeds are off too. Again by about 20 MPH.
Stop trying to derail this thread. It won't work.
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We have 3 LW jets? Where?
I'll give all you guys 3 guesses why there aren't any Allied jets... Those of you who are smart might only need 1.
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S!
Would not request any big changes on planes except that planes with METRIC gauges(German, Japanese and Italian) should have them, even as an option. Ammo counters deleted from planes that didn't have them IRL. Cockpits could be more realistic that they even would represent the actual plane..now a bit too generic IMO. And maybe some minor tweaks and such on the game itself to make it even better.
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As for the the Jets/Rockets
163: This will ONLY be next to the HQ. It's not like your gonna see 163's dogfighting. This is a GOOD thing also. Lets say Knights are pushed back to their HQ by bish. Some bish might go to knight, so they could fly the 163, balancing the numbers. This is a good 2-in-1 deal.
234: How often do you see these? never. Since 1.10 it's really hard to keep these in formation for some reason, and I really havn't seen one since 1.10. Didn't see them much before it either.
262: This is the only Jet you could say that you see. If I am lucky i might see 1 a week? It's not like the MA is all Jet vs. Jet comabt with everyone is super-duper LW jets.
Any other nonsense?
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BTW there is 1 thing I'm really skeptical about and that's the 6 Radiator damage in Dora, I haven't had my radiator been damaged since I dunno 4 weeks,most of the time I lose a wing or something else before I do lose my radiator in the Dora.
Acid those 2 planes are not the only ones the Bf110s has its VSI its ASI and its flap position indicator needle out of place.
Yes , Fix the Ta and AH's -ammo- :D
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Originally posted by Wotan
You imply that the lw guys wanted a 262 or a 234 or a 163. That aint the case. Ht can model any plane he wants. Most of the guys who fly lw planes rarely even fly the 3 that are perked now.
I didn't imply that at all. I am implying that you and certain other guys are not appreciative or content with what you have. You have 5 FW's, 5 109's, 2 Jets, and one rocket plane (as brady corrected me) already and from what I have read of Heinkle's and Sach's posts, you think HTC is conspiring against the LW side of the game. Does that not sound as stupid to you as it does to me?? Surely you have more reason that that.
Originally posted by Wotan
Theres numerous post that start with 1 guy posting a chart. Then
you self-appointed whiner police fill the thread with toejam stirring non-sense.
It was a good thread until this "Plus, enough with the proof. After a few allied whines, the p38 got fixed. The typhoon got it's Drop tanks. I wonder why they havn't fixed somthing as obvious as the 190 Fuel order? or the Ta152 speeds? When Allied fans get every problem on their plane fixed ASAP, LW/Italian/IJN/IJA (Axis)fans would expect the same and this "We stand corrected except for the A5/234 all the others seem like allied rides to me. Looks around, nope no lights on. Conspiracy? For as long as I have been readin these boards and the countless data that has been shown it is pretty obvious what is going on.[/].
Originally posted by Wotan
If you are so sick of the whiners then you know their names add umm to your ignore list. No one makes you read these threads. I suspect you know the content even before you read them. You just come here to stir the pot some more.
Its the insulting that bugs me. Some folks glasses are half full, and others are always half M/T. Its the latter for certain LW fans. And, I am NOT lumping all LW fans in this bucket. There are some guys that are just having fun without all the whining. And, Please don't proceed to tell me what I can and cannot comment on.
Oh BTW, The P-47 models are too slow in AH according the Bodie's P-47 bible, by ten MPH even (AH=418 TAS @ 25K, Reference = 428 TAS @ 25K . Would that be enough to squeak about in your opinion? Just curious.
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Sorry ammo but whatever thread there is about LW planes, where info is posted, proof and evidence of something, good or bad, you come in there and call it a whine. Don't matter what it says, if it's LW, it's a whine acording to you.
You do act like some kind of whine police and try/do hijack some threads, be it for fun or not but it's getting kind of anoying. Untill you have eveidence that should somehow say that the evidence we have (which you won't find btw) please don't come in and scream whiners in those kind of threads.
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Ps. Do we actually have the Me163 yet?
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Originally posted by Wotan
math everything heinkel stated has been backed up with "proof" in numerous threads.
Ok, where did anyone say that he didn't provide proof? All that was asked by Mister Fork was that it be included. Why? Well, if you guys could get past your paranoia, you might actually see that he is indeed trying to help you. But I guess there is no need to help you since it has been posted over 1000 times. My bad and his bad for asking that his task, that he volunteered for, be made a bit easier.
And before any of you junior Eric Hartmann's get all defensive about anything I have said, let me offer some proof of the things I have claimed:
Feelings of Persecution and Acute Paranoia:
Posted by Sachs:
We stand corrected except for the A5/234 all the others seem like allied rides to me. Looks around, nope no lights on. Conspiracy? For as long as I have been readin these boards and the countless data that has been shown it is pretty obvious what is going on.
Posted by Heinkel:
My post is BS?
When numerous post's about the 152's speed and 190A-5's speed have been posted since I have joined up (about July 2001), and such an obvious problem hasn't been fixed, you tell me what's BS. The 190A-5 has a big problem. I could see 1-3 MPH off, but 18? that could easily mean life or death. All 152 Speeds are off too. Again by about 20 MPH.
Stop trying to derail this thread. It won't work.
and another:
As for the the Jets/Rockets
163: This will ONLY be next to the HQ. It's not like your gonna see 163's dogfighting. This is a GOOD thing also. Lets say Knights are pushed back to their HQ by bish. Some bish might go to knight, so they could fly the 163, balancing the numbers. This is a good 2-in-1 deal.
234: How often do you see these? never. Since 1.10 it's really hard to keep these in formation for some reason, and I really havn't seen one since 1.10. Didn't see them much before it either.
262: This is the only Jet you could say that you see. If I am lucky i might see 1 a week? It's not like the MA is all Jet vs. Jet comabt with everyone is super-duper LW jets.
Any other nonsense?
I would also like to give Brady an . This was probably the first post that he has made (well, except for the "Name this" threads) that I actually agreed with what he said or that didn't just get on my nerves (and no offense meant Brady, just making an observation on the fact that I disagree with what you say almost all the time) :)
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wilbus--
I dont care if you call me the "whine police". Whatever floats your tugboat. I have nothing to prove to you. If it pisses you off when I call it like see it. then that is your problem. I am sure you will get over it. You are young, and full of life.
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Originally posted by Heinkel
Well when proof has been posted 1000 times, I really dont feel like posting it again. If you seach back through this BBS, you will find a thread or two for every topic about LW planes I brought up.
I could only find it posted 147 times. Perhaps someone involved in the conspiracy is someone going back and deleting the other 853?
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Oh BTW, The P-47 models are too slow in AH according the Bodie's P-47 bible, by ten MPH even (AH=418 TAS @ 25K, Reference = 428 TAS @ 25K . Would that be enough to squeak about in your opinion? Just curious.
Bingo. If it's wrong then post it here, and just let HTC know about it, that's what this thread is for. Not for LW vs Allied flame-fest. If you think the speeds for the 152/190A-5 are wrong or you think the fuel order is ok the way it is, thats Ok!!! Just post something to back it up. Do I think HTC is biased? no. If you look at my orginal post I also asked for more bomb loads on the Il-2, C202/C205. I am just curisous as to why a bug as obvious as the 190A-5 speed or 152 speeds has been around for so long...
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Model the g-suit in the P-51D
Remove the 85 gallon fuselage tank from the P-51B-5-NA 43-6913
Model pilot gut, glasses, physical strength, hay fever, colds, headaches, morning after hangover etc etc etc
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Model it too for the Dora and model the improved pilot G resistance in 109 by pilot seating :D .
a Wise dog said once:
This thread, "is good for me, to poop on!"
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Model pilot gut, glasses, physical strength, hay fever, colds, headaches, morning after hangover etc etc etc
hangovers are taken care of by breating pure O2 @ sea level before mission. headaches are part of the hangover. with drastic alt variance everyone has sinus problems. no pollen at angels 20. and you didn't mention venerial diseases
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Well, my point is, they know, I know they know, and personally dont care if they adjust out 10 MPH. I still get plenty of kills in it and my enjoyment level is still way up there.
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Originally posted by Heinkel
After a few allied whines, the p38 got fixed. The typhoon got it's Drop tanks.
you are joking or plain ignorant ?
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Compraed to some of the LW stuff, there were only a few allied requests to fix the p38/give typhoon DT. It is obvious the Typh. was missing it's DT. It's obvious the 190A-5 is missing some speed. Thats all I am saying....
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Well I understand more your post this way :)
Concerning the missing speed of the A5 I won't take position as I'm not a specialist*about the FW.
The problem is not the missing (or not) speed but perhaps more the lack of feedback form HTC
(I say perhaps cause because of the disabled search I cannot found HTC opinion about it)
But if HTC have said one day : it's this way and it won't change why bother more ?
Take the AH 190A5 as a Hangar queen :)
* I'm specialist in nothing wich is a speciality ;)
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Well Math, ty for the
, but I must say for quiet a while I was tring to be iritating, to help my case, seamed that being nice was geting me nowhear, the sad thing is that it actualy worked so well in fact that that big brother had to put me in my place. In retrosepct it aint realy me, and If that is what it takes to get the point across it is not worth the bother. If I cant get what I hoped for out AH then I will go else whear play other games and just have fun which is what it is all about. I over did AH, so I play it less now and enjoy it more.
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I am implying that you and certain other guys are not appreciative or content with what you have. You have 5 FW's, 5 109's, 2 Jets, and one rocket plane (as brady corrected me) already and from what I have read of Heinkle's and Sach's posts, you think HTC is conspiring against the LW side of the game. Does that not sound as stupid to you as it does to me?? Surely you have more reason that that.
What are you talking about? I am no fan boi nor have I ever said ht is biased or anything. I dont need to be on bended knee and bowed head if I see something wrong.
you think HTC is conspiring against the LW side of the game.
Where did I say that? Ever?
You and the rest of the self appointed defenders of Aces High come into these threads, even the ones where data and charts are shown and start toejame with your "shut up lwhiners". You hijack every thread with "well so what if the a5 is slow my jug is slow to". As if the folks in this thread care about the jug. You fly the jug, you start a thread and post what you think is wrong.
don't proceed to tell me what I can and cannot comment on.
I am not telling you anything. I am calling you a toejame stirring antagonist.
Why did you even post in this thread? Just to stir up the pot. Plain and simple. You knew what would be posted here. You already knew you where going to come in this thread and tell everyone they are lwhiners.
Its the insulting that bugs me. Some folks glasses are half full, and others are always half M/T. Its the latter for certain LW fans. And, I am NOT lumping all LW fans in this bucket. There are some guys that are just having fun without all the whining. And, Please don't proceed to tell me what I can and cannot comment on.
Who are you that someone should be worried about insulting you? And how does any comment about about a game insult you? You enter threads and called folks whiners. Then you act as if you are taking some high road in the defending the honor of some game. I dont think anything in this thread, or the others were pointed at ammo.
A guy whined about a plane in a game, lets get ammo in here to call him a whiner.:rolleyes:
Theres plenty of whines on this board, about plenty of things yet you only flash your whine police badge in this these types of threads.
You're the one claiming insult and being sick of the lwhiners. Are you a gluton? It seems to me if something bothered me like that, or was so insulting I would avoid it altogether.
And wilbuz is 100% cortrect here
Sorry ammo but whatever thread there is about LW planes, where info is posted, proof and evidence of something, good or bad, you come in there and call it a whine. Don't matter what it says, if it's LW, it's a whine acording to you.
You do act like some kind of whine police and try/do hijack some threads, be it for fun or not but it's getting kind of anoying. Untill you have eveidence that should somehow say that the evidence we have (which you won't find btw) please don't come in and scream whiners in those kind of threads.
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Well, this thread may have had potential until Heinkel's first post where he listed every quibble and imaginary defect with every Luftwaffe aircraft.
At that point it just became a whine.
Unbridled bias, a good example being Heinkel's first post in this thread, will never accomplish anything. It simply reveals the individual to be a fanatic. Further statements made in this thread simply reinforce that.
I have spent many hours looking for supporting evidence of many of the Fw190 and Bf109 claims that get posted here. By and large I have found very little. Things that get claimed as obvious here, such as GM1 and MW50 boost in 1943 aircraft, I find to actually be plans and tests only. There is much that falls into that category that I see people saying they have proof positive of. Well, proof positive of a test bed aircraft does not make it standard on operational aircraft.
There are a few significant problems that I would like to see addressed, but posting every nitpicking quibble about every aircraft does not accomplish anything.
The Fw190F-8 needs many, many more loadout options.
The Ar234B should be changed in regards to how the perking works. Currently it is effectively perked at 180, of which 120 is unlikely to be recovered on landing. Either drob its perk price to 20, or better yet don't deduct perk points for lost drones, e.g. all perk points are returned if even one Ar234 out of the formation makes it back to base.
In my opinion those are the only two real issues with exisiting German aircraft in AH. The fuel tank usage order has been blown way, way out of proportion. You guys are reacting to it like its a major porking, when in fact it is a minor inconvience.
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Well, this thread may have had potential until Heinkel's first post where he listed every quibble and imaginary defect with every Luftwaffe aircraft.
Not whining, just pointing out what is wrong. Wasn't only LW aircraft either.
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Actually what's blowing this thread away is posts like yours. This thread is about problems with aircraft. Not attacking LW fans. Post your thing about the mosquito (which is very very valid) and move on.
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Heinkel,
After you made this thread a Luftwaffe whine thread it became pointless to post anything about anything in it.
You can't expect to be taken at all seriously when you list off every single Luftwaffe aircraft as in need of urgent fixing. That is simply redicules.
(Throwing in the brief bit about the C.202 and 205 missing their 60lb bombs does not change the obvious thrust of you post)
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The only urgent things on that list is the 190A-5 speeds, and 152. Some of that stuff wasn't a whine but a request. A 37mm for the 110G for anti-bomber work. New loadouts for the Il-2 since we are getting Tiger tanks, same for Ju88. BOmbs for the 202/205 so incase we wont get an Italian jabo, the italy fans can still have some fun. The bombs for the 109 (500k). Allied planes have every possible bomb load out, all I ask is the common bomb load outs for the MAIN German fighter. That's all.
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Things that get claimed as obvious here, such as GM1 and MW50 boost in 1943 aircraft, I find to actually be plans and tests only.
bs karnak heinkel never asked for gm1 or mw50 in 1943 ac.
Well, this thread may have had potential until Heinkel's first post where he listed every quibble and imaginary defect with every Luftwaffe aircraft.
At that point it just became a whine.
Unbridled bias, a good example being Heinkel's first post in this thread, will never accomplish anything. It simply reveals the individual to be a fanatic. Further statements made in this thread simply reinforce that.
Again bs, ofcourse hes biased those the planes flies. How hard is that for you to grasp? His post was his list. Dont act like if he got on his hands and knees that anything in his list or in this thread would be fixed.
I dunno what the problems are with all the ac in ah. Wilbuz, heinkel, brady and others posted data in support of their claims.
You started a "my mossie is weak" thread with only the smallest amount of anecdotal evidence to support your claim. What was that if not a biased whine?
You are the biggest hypocrit in ah. Always actin like the crap you spew out is some how above anyone elses.
Everything he posted has supporting evidence to back it up. If you think its "nitpicking" so what. Who are you? Fuel management in the 190s are a big part of the fight. You cant see the fuel guage, you have to cycle the correct order to get maximum performance out of it. In multi con enviroments you can easily drain 1 tank to empty. The trigger groupings are another issue that are important. 30mm and 20 and 13 dont have the same trajectory. In fights against fighters you waste your 30m. The opposite when engaging bombers. Explosive content of some of the rounds are important. The difference in 5 rounds and 20. In a 109e you get 120 rounds firing together. Having bombs labelled in kilograms and not having then equal their true weight are another issue. Its the difference between diving through the ack and the furball multiple times to achieve the same result as a us plane even though technically the lw planes carry as much if not more. Ord loadouts not just for the f8, but the 202 and 205 are of interest to guys in my squad. We fly these planes. 190d9 radiator hits coming from 6 o'clock are another thing.
Others have posted charts which showed the a5s speed at sea level was to slow, 12 - 15 mph. Wilbuz has posted a chart that shows the 152 climbed better and was faster. Its only trivial to you because these planes arent your plane of choice.
You are the whiniest of any of the folks in ah. From your "my poor weak mossie", to your "everyone calls spits dweebs" to "bombers are worthless" to "I wont fly the ct because everyone doesnt fly the planes I want" and finally "when I fly a perk plane folks try to kill me". You are living up to your reputation, keep up the good work.
You like you brethren enter this thread expecting to start crap with the first "lwhiner" you see.
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Wotan,
I do not, unlike some people, only post favorable things about "nation x's" aircraft and negative things about everybody else's aircraft.
In as much as that, yes, I am less biased.
Am I unbiased? Obviously no. I don't think it is truely possible for a human to be unbiased.
You can rant and rave all you want because I occasionally post about things I actually use, e.g. the Mosquito. However, you can also ignore the things I post about that I do not use, e.g. the Fw190F-8, Ta152H-1, GV armor, bombers, ect, ect. Its your choice, but I don't see you asking for things to be fixed that don't affect you directly.
Examining one sides aircraft with a microscope looking for errors and then acting like the small errors you find are evidence of absolute bias against your toys is laughable roadkill.
All AH aircraft have errors, some worse than others. By and large they don't matter that much, at least not until the significant ones get fixed. Thus we should bring the significant errors to the attention of HTC, not the nearly useless chaff like the fuel tank usage order.
BTW, I never accused Heinkel of asking for MW50 or GM-1 on 1943 aircraft. I mentioned that only because I had seen demands for it in the past. I have also seen demands for GM-1 in the Fw190D-9, which so far as I can tell never had it.
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OK, I read you complete post.
You're a bellybutton Wotan, one who apparently only pays attention to some of my posts and picks the most hostile ones to remember.
I have repetedly posted in favor of fixing the Ta152's speed, climb and acceleration. I have never said otherwise.
The trigger groups could be done historically, but other than Vermillion I have never seen anybody ask for that.
I have heard that the Fw190A-5 is 20mph too slow at sealevel. I'm skeptical. I can't judge because I haven't seen the data and when I looked through my books today there was no speed listed for the Fw190A-5 at sea level.
I agree that the fuel gauge should be visible from the standard view, but I am skeptical that the misordering makes a significant difference in flight performance. Calling it a "big part of the fight" is just so much exagertation and hyperbole.
I am glad HiTech said the bomb weight issue would be fixed. It needs to be.
Damage modeling is, as you just mocked me for, highly interpetive. I have never found German cannons to be horribly weak on a per hit basis.
The Fw190D-9 radiator issue I had no comment on. Glasesss seemed skeptical, and he flys the things a lot. I'm not sure a run of bad luck isn't being misinterpeted here.
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You're a bellybutton Wotan, one who apparently only pays attention to some of my posts and picks the most hostile ones to remember.
Well hello their kettle. I guess you dont care to be called a whiner, ey?
The difference is heinkel, nor I come back with personal vulgar insults. Look at the tones of the folks who posted. Heinkel posted "his list". Instead of posting yours (same with ammo and math) you all revert to insults on a personal level.
More of your bs hypocracy. You were about top cry when folks referred to "shitfires" but all to quick to throw out your own garbage.
The reason heinkel doesnt post about other craft is, one he doesnt fly them, two he doesnt fly them. How would he know whats important to the guys who actually fly them. Unlike you he doesnt pretend to know whats important. He and I fly 190s we know that fuel tank order is important and the fact there is no quick visual makes a difference in an area of high amounts of enemy.
Theres nothing like being on a zoom climb and having your aft tank run dry while an la7 is following you up. Theres nothing like entering a fight with a full aft tank and trying to pull lead on a spit 9 who breaks hard then you stall because of the c of g. So dont tell me you fly the a5 5 times a tour so you know whats important.
Heinkel never said dont fix anything until you get to my issues. He simply said that the issues that were there when he came to ah are still there while other issues which developed after his issues were 1st reported have been addressed.
Simple as that. If you got an issue with the planes you fly post umm, but dont attack others because you dont share their concerns.
And like ammo if your tired and insulted by the whines how about not reading them?
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its useless to make a point with you wotan. I wont beat my head trying to get you to understand, or listening to your whiny diatribe. Better to expend energy on more worthwhile things.
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how about the torp racks that i have read so much about for the b-26...............
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my whiney dribble? I dont whine bud, if things get changed or stay the same it wont wont bug me.
But you whine police need be put in your place. that aint jumping on someone just because you feel they may have "whined" about some game they play.
In a thread entitled "Name the things you want fixed about AH" you knew you were reading in this thread looking for chance to tell someone that they are a whiner. You do it just about every thread like this. Then act as if you are on the high road.
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Jeez Wotan, Who pissed in your cornflakes?
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i am presently reading the autobiography of William Dunn (this regards the the effect of ejected 0.50 cal shell casings on the wing mounted rockets of the P-47). on Aug 25, '44 Dunn, with the 406th FG of the 9th AF was attacking shipping in Brest Harbour in a P-47D-25, having previously fired his 8 x 0.50 MGs an unknown number of rounds:
"...i leveled out just above the water and salvoed [all 10 of] my rockets. Four of them hit the ship dead center, exploding inside the hull; two hit just below the water line; and two went skidding across the ship's deck. Two rockets didn't fire; the pigtails had been knocked loose by ejected .50 caliber cartridge shells when we were supressing the flak for the guy in the water..."
Dunn was the 1st US ace of WWII (6.5 kills confirmed w/ 71 Squadron RAF, the 1st Eagle Squadron)
(http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/eagles/dunn.jpg)
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Originally posted by Heinkel
Not whining, just pointing out what is wrong. Wasn't only LW aircraft either.
The problem is not the message you want to give but more how it sounded or how is it perceived
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Ok, I'm a newcomer to AH. I'm even a newcomer to the online flightsim stuff. Still I feel I need to respond to this "LW whining" discurssion.
It's not whining. These people, including me, don't want LW planes to behave "uber" or up to pilot stories/legends. The data presented in this forum was collected from RLM / NACA (is that name correct) tests. These people aren't squeaking in a high-pitched tone. They simply point out differences between the AH representation of the planes and the test data.
Fact is, LW plane "pilots" collect more data on their fave rides, therefore they discuss shortcomings in LW plane modelling. Just as anybody else might complain about their respective ride of choice. I don't know/have any historical material on P51s or F6Fs - I collect everything I can get about LW stuff, and I don't believe every number in every document to be correct just because it's more favourable to the plane than it's respective performance in AH.
Just wanted to get that clear.
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What's so hard with coming in here, posting what's wrong with the planes YOU fly, and leave? Why start commenting and saying people whine because they post 10 (very legitimate except for 190 A8 Mk103) things about LW planes and only 2 about any other?
Did Heinkel ever say they were all very very urgent? No.
So why come in an jump on him and the rest of the LW community?
In my opinion those are the only two real issues with exisiting German aircraft in AH.
And let's not forget many many other things, such as the Ta152 which IS wrong. But I guess my evidence there just qualifies me as a whiner aswell, right?
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back to the topic...a bug as old as AH
bug: fisheye perspective canopy struts on 109 windshield. 109E has it right, all other models are wrong
problem: effectively reduced forward field of vision on later 109s, as well as limited aiming and deflection shooting space
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190A rollrate.
Should peak at 190degrees/sec.
Now its around 150degrees/sec.
Thats major clitch.
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Originally posted by Wilbus
What's so hard with coming in here, posting what's wrong with the planes YOU fly, and leave? Why start commenting and saying people whine because they post 10 (very legitimate except for 190 A8 Mk103) things about LW planes and only 2 about any other?
Did Heinkel ever say they were all very very urgent? No.
So why come in an jump on him and the rest of the LW community?
And let's not forget many many other things, such as the Ta152 which IS wrong. But I guess my evidence there just qualifies me as a whiner aswell, right?
I jumped in because he heinkle posted this Plus, enough with the proof. After a few allied whines, the p38 got fixed. The typhoon got it's Drop tanks. I wonder why they havn't fixed somthing as obvious as the 190 Fuel order? or the Ta152 speeds? When Allied fans get every problem on their plane fixed ASAP, LW/Italian/IJN/IJA (Axis)fans would expect the same.
He is implying that allied planes get some sort of preferential treatment. That is just BS. *That* classifies as a whine.
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being able to REPAIR your aircraft without having to land then up again thus losing your however many kills (we should have a total kill count to displayed in the hanger)
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Give the thread starter (who envisaged a data collection thread instead of something else) the right to delete flames.
If you want to argue over who has better karma in this fiasco, start another thread.
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Originally posted by Karnak
I have repetedly posted in favor of fixing the Ta152's speed, climb and acceleration. I have never said otherwise.
The trigger groups could be done historically, but other than Vermillion I have never seen anybody ask for that.
I have heard that the Fw190A-5 is 20mph too slow at sealevel. I'm skeptical. I can't judge because I haven't seen the data and when I looked through my books today there was no speed listed for the Fw190A-5 at sea level.
I agree that the fuel gauge should be visible from the standard view, but I am skeptical that the misordering makes a significant difference in flight performance. Calling it a "big part of the fight" is just so much exagertation and hyperbole.
I am glad HiTech said the bomb weight issue would be fixed. It needs to be.
Damage modeling is, as you just mocked me for, highly interpetive. I have never found German cannons to be horribly weak on a per hit basis.
The Fw190D-9 radiator issue I had no comment on. Glasesss seemed skeptical, and he flys the things a lot. I'm not sure a run of bad luck isn't being misinterpeted here.
Most of the things Karnak has said are true. He agrees on the fact the Ta152 is not correct in AH and has not said otherwise. The radiator thing at least to me is almost rare that I get my radiator at least in the dora shot out form my 6. The fuelthing I think some took as priority one mandatory fixing, I took it as if something that could be much simpler to fix than some of the FM errors same thing goes for my Ta152 fuel placement these are less down in my list of fixing I think the Ta152 error is on a higher priority than the fuel or the seemingly radiator hit bubble from 6 clk.
This was a thread that was to me it seemed to put a list of things you found wrong in aircraft not a "FIX IT NOW" type some has made it out to be, the Ta152 chart ammo requested has been posted and posted and double posted in these BBs,so I see why heinkel got a little bit upset when a certain person demanded proof. Of course people are going to be biased of the aircraft they fly, how the heck should they know the P47 is X or Y or Z they don't fly those planes nor have any data to them however most LW fans like devious has said don't want their aircraft to out perform in every other thing that the aircraft could not do in RL, just like me, I want the aircraft to be represented accuretely,like anyone else,and like Karnak said to me, I'd like the Ta152 to be modeled properly aswell rather than being unperked when and if it's fixed I think it'll be worthy of remaining perked.
BTW Karnak 1944 Dora didn't have GM1 but production runs in 1945 I believe they started producing them with Gm1 kits.
Now, Calm down settle down ...Breathe in ....and Out ...Breathe in ....and out......
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And this wable award goes to
Heinkel
congratulations!!!
:D
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I get to wear that!!!???
Cool :cool:
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Breaths in... breaths in... breaths in... breaths in... breaths in... breaths in...
Well, like Glasses said, the Ta152 chart (the special one) + others have been posted many many times, many times by me alone and to ask for more proof about that is just plain silly (don't know who asked for it).
Btw Ammo, you know I like you, always have always will, still, I hang on to my thoughts about your "police" buisiness but I like you never the less :)
NOW.. FIX MY TANK! :D
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wow. can't believe i read the whole thread.
And I'd like to review a few basic facts and observations (you decide which is which)
1. Kurt Tank was Willie Messerschmidts butt-monkey..
2. Kurt Tank Invented gay
3. I miss StSanta
4. Devious is truly devious for injecting the one bit of truly intersting data in the whole thread... "Fact is, LW plane "pilots" collect more data on their fave rides, therefore they discuss shortcomings in LW plane modelling. Just as anybody else might complain about their respective ride of choice. I don't know/have any historical material on P51s or F6Fs - I collect everything I can get about LW stuff, and I don't believe every number in every document to be correct just because it's more favourable to the plane than it's respective performance in AH."
5. The LW community here in AH as such (a historicly accurate bunch of oddly gifted pilots in the arrogant kurt tank wannabe role complete w/ leather crotchless tights sporting funky black leather hoods from a ming the mercilless blow-off sale) is showing signs of a comeback.
6. AH Models the most dangerous LW aircraft ever pixelated in a computer sim.
7. AH LW pilots could never possibly have enough 190 and 109 variants/loadouts/ammo/speed/visability/victories/ROF/roll rate/durability/jets/leather wax/rockets or skilled pilots.
8. HTC will never have enuff slaves in its employ to make the LW happy (another odd historicaly correct point)
9. AH Allied pilots will continue to hugely enjoy the challenge of actually finding one of these rare AH Luftwaffe Experten on line below 28k outside his own radar coverage, and gangbanging his ch1 whiney bellybutton with a gazzillion nancy boy spit dweebs and flouncy skirted silver gruntbang drivers. (also historicly accurate) No sense givin the LW Historical Society an a-histiorical fight.. :D
10. Kurt Tank is still gay.
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LoL Hangtime, not sure on what points I agree. I am sure though that I agree on #3 :D
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Originally posted by Heinkel
Bf109E-4
-Are the mine rounds modeled for the MgFF cannons? In WW2OL, you see the actuall 20mm round explode in the air, creating a flak puff if it didnt detinate (make contact with enemy aircraft)
The puffs of smoke in WWIIOL are due to the timed fuse detonating.
I believe several/most?/many cannon rounds on both sides had a timed detonation due to two purposes:
- incase the contact fuse didn't work (or didn't have one at all)
- for safety, so that the cannon shells could only explode near the intended target, and not on the ground.
There is atleast one historic occurence of a surprised target realizing that they are under attack by cannon shells exploding in mid air in front of them. I don't think that the shells were intended to explode when they are a near miss. So, this would be more of a eye candy item rather than a historic accuracy item.
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I agree completely that the FW190F NEEDS more loadouts.
I'm not saying that HTC should add every variant, (ie please don't add the 190F's variant that carried 2 small torps or 1 full sized torp) but getting the iron bomb loadout would be a step towards sanity.
BTW, WTF is with the 190's fuel tank sequence still not fixed?!
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Problem: Map terrain
Elaborated: You could drive tanks in europe, africa, etc. You can not in Ah 1/2 the time due to "bad" spawns (spawns that are horribly far from anything or kill you instantly)
Solution: Add more roads and more gv spawns near critical areas, like factories. Correct the "instant death" gv spawns.
Also, a way to aim rockets on pts would be nice.
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i think there are a few times, in his autobiography, that 'hub' Zemke mentions 1st noticing he is under attack when time-fused 20mm shells start bursting in front of him