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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: poopster on September 05, 2002, 01:15:54 PM
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Also a stunning example of what a Axis Allied split becomes..
http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&postid=109261#post109261
Me, I'd rather kill a nikki :D
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Whether it's RPS or perk system there will always be those unhappy with something being limited but at least an RPS IMHO is a more realistic setup and it seems that the new mission arena will be setup Axis vs Allies with a limited planeset from what I've read in the news forum and the Wargamer interview. As for that particular thread --ik-- has always been the same, he quit a few years ago and way back then I remember many an argument over his seeming obsession with the Luftwaffe constantly getting the upper hand, in the last day the top two topics were started by him and each complaining about an Allied ride. His argument therefore is not symtomatic of a problem in the RPS more to do with this crusade of his to have the best planes all of the time and to castrate the otto system so he can blow bombers out of the sky.
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RPS won't work here, either. There aren't enough players with the skills to adapt to a changing plane set.
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Originally posted by popeye
RPS won't work here, either. There aren't enough players with the skills to adapt to a changing plane set.
Obviously, there aren't enough in WB either.... or anywhere I've seen it attempted.
AKDejaVu
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RPS was'nt the reason most left WB, a lot of it was to do with HTC coming out with a much better sim and the fact that development slowed to a crawl in Warbirds and is still at that pace now, couple that with WBIII coming along and not supporting squad's properly and missing much of the planeset from it's predecessor and you have most of the reason's why RPS was not really one of those. Fact is with reduced numbers the WW2A is by far the most popular arena there by a country mile. Seems the mission arena will have such a setup too and it can't come soon enough.
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A perfect example why an RPS arena should be seperate arena from the MA. There are many here that would fly a RPS arena over the MA. But still have the chance to furball over in the MA for Squad events or such.
I flew WBs for 5 years and i liked the idea of an RPS. We still need a few more early planes to complete the set before an RPS area will work.I would love to see the Lagg-3, Mig-1, D520,p38J and a slew of other early planes we have no data for :)
I for one would love to see an RPS arena here.
Dog out...................
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I love the RPS!!!
I have the Skilzzz!!!
I am Sparticus!!!!!
Heyas WD...how are yas:)
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RPS IMHO is a more realistic setup
No it isnt. go reread that thread. Atleast in wbs they just make it up as they go. an rps with out the correctly modelled planes that are introduced at the correct "service date" is simple manipulation of the planeset depenfing on who whines the loadest.
Imagine the toejame if they tried to pull "the 109e and spit5" here in ah should be placed against each other.
Theres nothing real about it. It really doesnt add anything because the sheep follow the path of what they percieve as the the "best plane".
an RPS is simple fantasy.
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an RPS is simple fantasy
And a spit fighting a spit or a 109 fighting a 109 or a SpitMk1 fighting a 109G10 or SpitMkXIV fighting a 109-E is more realistic :rolleyes: There have been just as many moans about perk rides and the RPS there has pretty much stayed the same since it was introduced, it had a few tweaks but it's remained as it was for a very long time. That thread is just typical of --ik-- as other's have mentioned in that thread he's just rehashing all the old arguments he put forward over 2 years ago before he left.
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I'll take the perk system over an MA RPS any day.
at least I get more than a couple of aircraft to choose from day to day.
FWIW, certain arenas are begging for an RPS IMO.
(warning, heavy use of acronyms)
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The WBIII Mosquito Mk VI and Spitfire Mk XIV FMs are a pathetic joke. They are both so gutless its not even funny.
I would like to see an AH RPS arena at some point, but I definately would not like to see it replace the MA. Rather I'd like it as an alternative.
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I don't need to look at the thread...RPS blows. :)
SOB
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I wonder...
Is it the RPS they dislike.... or is it the fear that an RPS arena may become the most populated arena? Like it did in WB.
CAV
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He's right. I remember seeing all 20 people in there one night.
bowser
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revvin i dont pretend it is. f4fs vrs 109es isnt either. Or running an rps based on mis modelled performance issues and not on service dates is equally unreal.
The ct in ah does what the wbs rps does. If it was so desirable folks would be in there. The mission theatre wont be an rps, it cant be we dont have the planes to do that for any set up.
Perk planes can be flown by anyone who has the perks and folks wont get just 3 (or what ever it is) days a tour to fly a p51d. People whine about perk planes because the cant distinguish betweens its perk value and its performance. They assume well this plane cost 70 perks it must be the greatest.
Thats different then being forced to fly a 109e vrs a spit 5. If you tried that in ah there would be more then just 1 guy whining.
An rps would be great if we had the planeset to do it. Like wbs we dont. So lets not pretend any of its "more real" then the other.
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mby im miss smth, did HTC not annouce new mission arena with rps on 1.11? :confused: :D :D :D
ramzey
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The reason i left Warbirds is not the RPS. It was the fact that it is not a complete game as Ace's High yet. When i first got here to Ace's High on my two weeks trial offer. I saw squads of bombers and escorts. attacking a base. which is what was missing in WBIII. In WB 2.xx that would happen alot. I really like to see lots of bombers with escorts. funny thing though I haven't seen that alot lately.
I like the RPS and in fact I like the Axis vs Allied setup. It gives you a more immersive game. It actually feels like your at war. WarbirdIII when I left was not a Axis vs Allied game not in MA anyways and most of the players were in MA. Now it seems they [the players] have moved to the War Arena which is a Axis vs Allied arena.
They've added some really cool graphics of small explosions on planes as they're hit by bullets. It actually looks like some gun cam flims of WWII. Except it's in color.
Ace's High has things going for it also. High numbers,lower cost to play and a more complete strategic element.
As far as RPS in Ace's High not a good thing unless it was Axis vs Allied.
I heard that 1.11 was going to be more mission oriented. Maybe Axis vs Allied? If it is it's more to my liking. I hope HTC implements the RPS then.
People whining about RPS or Perks is just human nature. If we don't whining about something we'll just explode.
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Originally posted by Revvin
And a spit fighting a spit or a 109 fighting a 109 or a SpitMk1 fighting a 109G10 or SpitMkXIV fighting a 109-E is more realistic :rolleyes: There have been just as many moans about perk rides and the RPS there has pretty much stayed the same since it was introduced, it had a few tweaks but it's remained as it was for a very long time. That thread is just typical of --ik-- as other's have mentioned in that thread he's just rehashing all the old arguments he put forward over 2 years ago before he left.
spits did fight spits... at one point after ww2...
SKurj
please sir, can we have more selective realism
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A perfect example of what an RPS becomes
Also a stunning example of what a Axis Allied split becomes..
Poopster, I haven't read your link nor any of the messages in this thread, but I do want to point out that RPS does not mean the same thing as an Axis v Allies setup. I'm personally against that, though would welcome an RPS where it isn't Axis v Allies.
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Of course the mission theatre will be RPS. Scenarios and TODs are RPS and they seem to be popular . But replacing the MA with an RPS theater is plain stupid .
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A rolling plane set and an allied versus axis main arena would be a huge improvement over the constant late war aircraft furball that we have now.
I appreciate that a small minority take up early war aircraft and do quite well in them too. However, some aircraft never see the light of day and to all intents and purposes you only need 10 aircraft in aces high to keep the overwhelming majority happy.
An RPS would enable further skills to develop and after a while probably be fun too. I understand though that a lot of "pilots" want a quake shoot em up and the fastest aircraft available with the biggest guns.
I haven't "flown" in a scenario in AH, when you run say a BOB event, do you use the historical aircraft or is it all 190D, P51 and Jets etc, I am guessing not.
wipass
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RPS is no different from the situation you have in MA.
There will always be pilots who prefer to fly axis / allied and when doing so, fly the most uber plane available.
So the basic setup is exactly the same like in MA today, all RPS does is to force you to get some flying time in early war planes, which otherwise will be left out of the MA completely.
If you look at the kill stats, only planes AH really needs in MA are n1k, 190d, p51D, spit ix, spitv and la7. Oh, and tiffies for bishorcs.
Rest of the planes - nobody would even notice if they got disabled on main.
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Wipass and others,
Alot of people are very like minded here - but some have the benefit of experience where others do not.
In it's very early stages, WB had a great community. It was pretty darn small...around 70-90 people at most but the same 70 to 90 were flying every night.
The MA was a cool place in general. Everyone 'knew' each other. It wasn't uncommon to be able to 'fly out to sea' away from an island if you wanted to separate someone for a good 1 on 1 fight - and this was in the MA.
There was no RPS. Strictly speaking, Allied aircraft held an advantage as there were some 1944 Allied aircraft modeled and the most advanced LW aircraft modeled was from 1942.
But no one really cared. WB had the best FM in the business, and many of those origional 70-90 hadn't flown online against other humans.
It was all about the fact that you were fighting against another person, usually flying an aircraft that you owned books about before you could read. It was great.
To cut to the chase - most of that crowd thought that having an 'Axis vs. Allies' 'rolling plane set' MA would be ideal. More 'real'. More 'like history'.
All I can say is most of them (i.e. those who were excited about an Axis vs. Allies, RPS MA, myself included) were wrong - for reasons too numerous and too complex (after all, we are talking about human to human interaction) to mention in this post.
Here's one small example - technology never advanced evenly during WW2. One side had an advantage. The other side caught up with a stopgap and/or leaped ahead with the next generation of equipment. AH is not populated in it's entirety (or even in it's majority, which is often a good thing as some people take things a little too seriously in historically based games/sims/etc.) by die hard WW2 aviation buffs who are likely to be of the opinion "I don't care if the Fw 190A outperforms my Spitfire V in almost every category - I fly Spitfires and every Fw 190A kill is that much sweeter". In short, you are likely to have massive odds imbalances that change from side to side with the introduction of each 'new' aircraft. That's one example of *many*.
The people who make up HTC have the benefit of experience. They saw it happen too.
In short - if you are all about historical matchups then you have to have those aircraft in realistic mission settings as well. Which is why the 'mission arena' is a good idea - Axis vs. Allies, RPS, mission based - all things wanted by the same crowd.
Also, don't fool yourselves. I loved the RPS MA when it came out. But I will tell you something - after a few months I really missed the 'anything goes' MA. Some weeks you are in the mood to see how well you can do that A6M2 vs. 'all comers'.
The MA, with perked aircraft and vehicles, and everything under the sun fighting everything under the sun is our own little A2A + A2G + G2G 'universe of war'. It doesn't have some cool things that total realism would give it. It also doesn't have alot of the restrictions.
AH has the player base to have both arenas I'll bet. It's always better to have more choices - providing the choices don't harm each other.
When people say that an Axis vs. Allies, RPS MA is a mistake they are basically 'you' 5 or more years ago - and they saw it all go sour. There's no agenda in their opinion...they have just experienced something that you hopefully won't have to experience.
Mike/wulfie
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I read that WB thread, but I don't see any arguments against an RPS in there. I did leave WB partly because of the sucking RPS, and because iEN would do nothing about it. It had been preceded by an interesting "Generations" concept, developed by a guy called sinbad, but this was tried for only one tour before it was shelved. :confused:
There are (and were) problems in WB, and I would identify these as the main issues with the WB RPS: - No point arguing about individual plane performance, as the flight model for all planes is porked.
- Not all planes that existed in WW2 are modelled in WB, and for that reason a certain amount of fudging is required to create a balanced arena. And that's what triggers --ik--'s whines.
- With a strictly Axis v. Allied RPS, Doofus-Dweebius will switch sides to fly whichever plane is the strongest, fastest, best armed etc.
Yes, there are problems. But that is not the fault of the RPS. It is caused by all the factors listed above.
But is the above scenario that much worse than what we have in AH, especially with the small, pocket sized maps? Last night I was flying a Bishop 190A5 at Gangbang Island in the centre of the map - the one with the three vehicle fields on it. There was a low hurricane, and I managed a pretty good B&Z attack to kill it. But that opened the gates of hell. Now everyone knew I was there, so in come the Doras and Thunderbolts - and a N1K and an LA7 - of course. :rolleyes: Well, it just wouldn't be Aces High without an LA7 now, would it? I managed to outmanoeuvre the LA7 and 190 (biggest threats) and established 3000 yards of separation - but it was no good. The LA7 is able to catch up to me - even after a hard e-bleeding turn. :confused: Given that it was a 5-1 fight, I had no alternative but to reverse and fight the LA7. Low in his 12, I pulled up for a HO and that was the end of him. Same thing for the N1K. Now one of the P47s was 400 yards behind me. I barrel rolled and caused him to overshoot, and might have been able to pull up and shoot him, but the 190D was still there and blew me away.
A fun fight, possibly. Realistic? Hardly. Historical? LOL! Do you really think that this game is made better by having enemy LA7s five minutes away at all times? Maybe to a furballer it is. But for anyone flying a jabo mission, or wishing to fly something other than the all singing all dancing LA7/N1K/Yak subset, it is not. When trying to get a goon in for capture, we constantly have to have a sacrificial lamb present to distract the inevitable LA7!
I can see why AH is the way it is. As far as I know, AH has always had a flat rate pricing plan. Initially it was $30/month, now it is down to $14.95. AH was in direct competition with WB, which had a $2/hour pricing plan, and that forced WB to adopt a flat rate pricing plan. That’s why they’re in so much trouble – they don’t have the money for R&D, so the players have to contribute. What Hitech/HTC realised (correct me if I’m wrong) is that guys like –-ik—in that WB thread are actually a minority. Most people that enter the world of Flightsimdom want nothing more than to get in a plane, take off, and start shooting stuff by the time they reach 5K. For a flat rate pricing plan to work, the game must have MASS appeal. Thus, the plane set is designed for mass market appeal. Indeed, there are guys like Lazs who have said openly that the only stat that matters to them is the number of kills per unit of time. That’s it. Nothing more. No interest in the war. No interest in territory capture. No interest in the historical.
The RPS does have its problems, but not having one and constantly having to avoid opportunist LA7s is not much better. The one thing that IS better is that I don’t have to fly early war crap, but can choose my own plane.
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I on the other hand often choose the hardest plane in the planeset to fly, just for the challenge.
I don't consider the early war birds crap by any means - they just require different tactics and skill to overcome the later war birds.
Often you come out the fight in flames, but when you do get your victory, it's sweeter than hell. I still remember my 6 kill streak in c202 against spitties and n1ks.
IMO if other players would also spend time with 'lesser' planes instead of being capture oriented 'must win.. land.. must win.. land' clone hordes, the MA would be far more interesting place to fly.
Unfortunately the arena is nothing but strat or wannabe Hartmanns who use every possible trick to make the game easyer for themselves in order to maximise their victories. Same mentality people are the ones who resort in 190 flip-flopping etc. warp inducing movements. Or running to ack the first chance they get.
That may be their idea of fun, but those people never will get my respect.
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1). Amen, Wulfie.
2). I don't think Ik's passion for his favorite ride(s) should be minimized. The culture over on the WB's side has gone to whoever can make the most "noise" concerning RPS, AC FM, armament ...etc ( should call it Allied Birds as far as I'm concerned ).
3.) I think any attempt at an RPS needs to have a full contingent of the major aircraft of that era. I don't see that happening in the near future.
:D
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I have a theory about how Dale & pyro actually work on things. They sit around, someone throws out an idea, then dale says "we tried that (rps) in Warbirds, they did nothing but whine about it".
IE Most features, etc they build they are trying to build as "whine proof" as possible.
If you spent 3 hours painting a most awesome picture, and 8 pf 10 people who saw it whined about they way the color's matched, would you paint again?
Its the same with HT, he spends hours & days & months codeing to build this super cool sim. And people whineing take all the fun out of it.
RPS = huge whinefest, = we won't ever see it here.
I'll even go so far as to say if people whined LESS, we'd get more planes, & more features FASTER!
Now there's a concept for ya!
:)
Ghosth
(Yes before you crank up the heat I've done it too)
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Yes there were holes in the RPS it was'nt perfect and would'nt be in AH right now but I'd prefer that to what we have now with only a small part of the planeset we have actually been used to any extent I'd love to see a more diverse selection of planes in the arena's. It all boil's down to the 'gottawins' who whine because they think they're being hard done by in the RPS when in actual fact it evened itself out over the TOD. I tried the RPS in WB and I tried the WW2A and liked it spending the majority of it flying Allied but quite a few TOD's where I only flew Axis (I liked to fly the 190A-4, after leaving an RAF squad I felt like a new challenge) Neither side had it all their own way but some people just demand to have it their way all the time so the few 'gottawins' have to whine. The thread linked at the start of this thread is not an indication of how the RPS or Axis vs Allies won't work it's an indication of some people's selfish ego 'gottawin' attitude.
spits did fight spits... at one point after ww2...
And your point is? Oh sorry you don't have one? ok nevermind....
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wulfie... as someone who "debated" with you quite often during the axis vs allied RPS thing way back when... i can only say. Your post is... uh... accurate and honest.. I don't expect the same from other RPS advocates for many years. Some... maybe never. People from limeyland and germany/netherlands/canada for example may never come clean.
In an RPS the vast majority jumps on the "best plane" bandwagon and there is allways a "best plane".
lazs
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Originally posted by SKurj
spits did fight spits... at one point after ww2...
Israel vs Egypt as Israel sought to establish itself as a new nation. Egypt got theirs from Britain, Israel got theirs wherever they could, including pulling'em out of junk yards and playgrounds.
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and corsairs did fight other corsairs and p51's... the 51's lost.
lazs
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Mike said it best. The "idea" sounds soooo good. It really does.
The grass is greener..
How it plays out, and to play it out over a few years is an entirely different matter. We've experienced that. It really DID suck believe it or not.
Beet1e I really hope you come to terms with your La7 conflicts..
Appears you want an RPS simply to not have to see them.
Of course than you'll have all the dweeb Gottowins flying 109E's. Imagine 250 109E's at primetime, 100 spits, and 32 zero's
Want to fly something else ?? Turn off the computer and come back at the end of the week...
Then you have the 109F, Spit V..:D
Short memory old man ;)
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Of course than you'll have all the dweeb Gottowins flying 109E's. Imagine 250 109E's at primetime, 100 spits, and 32 zero's
Some things to note: - I do not fly at "prime time", if by that you mean the peak time in the US.
- Got killed 3 times by LA7s last Tod, but killed 14 of them. Nuff said ;)
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but killed 14 of them
See what you'd miss ???
Everyone who likes the idea of an RPS has to picture in his or her mind is 60% or better of the ENTIRE arena flying the same plane in the early RPS.
That is the reality.
Does that sound like "fun" ??
I want all of your 500 word essays explaining the "fun" involved with that reality on my desk Monday morning.
:)
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Originally posted by popeye
RPS won't work here, either. There aren't enough players with the skills to adapt to a changing plane set.
I'm one of them.
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Poop - I was AFK from a P47 jabo assault on 38 when I posted. That 14 just went up to 15. :D But oh, forgot ToD rollover has happened... :p
The WB RPS was fine - until they introduced the WW2A. That's what killed it.
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Where the all in one plane problem is the main drawback of an RPS, the other drawback comes when you check to see how much time out of the month you can spend flying your favorite ride.
If your favorite is American and late war, take a look at the chart and figure out how much time you'll be allowed to fly "your" plane.
Example is a 21 day tour. If you love the Pony D you'll have a long wait.... Dora drivers get to fly there ride...a whole four days :)
http://www.raafwarbirds.org.au/rps/rps.html
Please incorporate these new found realities into your essays
;)
P.S. Beet1e have you ever thought of dedicating a tour to killing as many La7's as you can ?? Could be fun :)
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If your favorite is American and late war, take a look at the chart and figure out how much time you'll be allowed to fly "your" plane.
Yes, but by the same token, have you considered the plight of the early war aficionados? There they are, trying to fly their Spit 1a/Hurri-1/P40/109E/[other]... and what do they come up against, day after day after day? P51D, Dora, LA7, YAK, Spit IX, P38L, Typhoon, 109G10....... - need I go on? How much fun do you think it is for those early war guys? You hadn't thought about that, had you?
I sit on the fence, being a mid-war sort of guy. But Poopster, this "Waaah, I want my own plane and I should be able to have it because I pay my $14.95/month, waaaaah!" attitude puts you firmly in the self-centred FFF whiners' camp. :( I thought you were more of a man...
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sure there are "gottawins" out there who only fly la7s because its their best chance to score kills, but from reading this thread it sounds like there's an equal number of "sorelosers" out there as well.
A lot of people fancy themselves as superior, or noble in some way because they don't fly nikis or la7s, but that claim becomes rather thin if you squeal like a stuck pig everytime you get whupped by one.
This game has a lot of good sticks who do well in a variety of different planes.
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being a mid-war sort of guy
So was I, 190 man there :D Hate flying 109's to this day.
have you considered the plight of the early war aficionados?
Have you forgotten the low attendence in the arena early war ?? Or the jump in numbers the last week ?? Selective memory..
Selective memory does not an debate make. Unless you talk politics :D
The pilots in early war planes in the current arena don't whine about it. They kill late war planes and giggle.
Checking your stats last tour. It shows narry a kill in an early war plane :confused:
Funny though, the most kills are in an osty and a CANNON HOG ??????????????????:D
Beet1e ARE YOU POSTURING ?????
Sorry to say, I would have thought different :(
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** unkind stuff deleted **
Poop, sorry that I said what I said. I came home after a few beers at the Dog and Badger, and a meal in a Greek restaurant. Whenever I go to a Greek restaurant, the food bill is always exceeded by the bar bill. :confused:
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No, you wont see me in an early war plane, but neither will you see me in an LA7. Back in WB, where my connection to the server always sucked, I found that I would have to empty my guns to get a single kill - talking about those Spit1a .303s. Another guy (thrax) was better than me, but he had the same problems - we suspect caused by packet loss etc. So I needed something with big guns. The 190A4 came out on Day 4.
Have you forgotten the low attendence in the arena early war ??
No, I haven't forgotten, because as far as I'm aware the attendance continued at the same level. YOU play at US prime time, whereas I play during Euro hours. It could be that many Americans didn't want to play in the early war week because there were no American planes available, America not having entered WW2 until late 1941. But from where I sit, I saw no difference in the attendance in Early War Week. I didn't like it, but that is not the same as saying that we shouldn't have it. I know it's fashionable to think only of oneself these days (looking out for #1 etc., ME ME ME ME ME - a trait epitomized by... no, I wont say his name). But I am different, and would like to see a planeset that allows everyone to have their day in the sun. Without that, we will never be free of LA7 fragfests. Right now, every day is LA7 day. But when do we get Spit1a Day, or Early Zeke Day? Never. Because the hordes, attracted by the flat rate pricing plan, are not interested in that. I said all this further up the thread.
It has to be said that early war planes don't stand much chance against the later planes. Or the jump in numbers the last week ??
Yes, even WB had a ridiculous period at the end. P51D, Ki84, 262...
...and the reason is that there exists a preponderance of people who just want to get up and shoot something. That's why I find furballing so mindless, and boring. You rarely saw me on WB JetDay.
So remember Poop - just because I'm carrying a torch doesn't mean that it's my own torch. I see you were caught off guard by that. Checking your stats last tour. It shows narry a kill in an early war plane. Funny though, the most kills are in an osty and a CANNON HOG ??????????????????
Not true. My combined Osti and C-Hog kills accounted for less than half of my total kills for the last ToD. Sorry to have to disappoint you with the FACTS!!!
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beetle... maybe you need to try an la7 to see what it is all about. It is nothing special except under ideal conditions.
I like early war planes and in the current MA I can at least fly one/against one I have found by finding a fight between a close carrier and a base. short distances make good early war fights and exclude the later war planes from the fun.. sure, they try to horn in but they are relatively clumsy and harmless and not part of the action in any significant way.
I think a few more fields that were closer together on every map would help early plane usage. I also think an area in the corner of the pizza map for early war planes only would be a good thing.
An RPS would be selfish. It would only please a few vocal guys who don't fly much anyway. They are vocal and dissatisfied because they are bored and about to leave no matter what happens so pleasing them is not too smart.
lazs
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Point by point:
A-4 came out day seven. That meant flyin a 109E-F for a damm week. At that time it was the WWII arena, and being a luftwobble I just didn't fly much. Flying a plane you don't enjoy is...well silly.
I know it's fashionable to think only of oneself these days
Disagree there, but it may be geography. Out here in willyville the board of supervisors are working on a bill to pay the homeless of the "City" minimum wage...This is the home of Barbara Boxer....The independent Country of Berkley is located here. I've had it up to "here" with noble causes and special interest groups. Come to California, you'll be in heaven.
Paying for everyone else is taken out of my check each payday, whats left over is about "me". Selfish, no, I already gave ;)
In conclusion, what are the 2 top spots on your stat page ?
Carrier fights ARE the best. Never thought about why though..Think you nailed it Lazs
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Lazs and Poop - hope you have a defibrillator available because...
... I agree with you both! I think Lazs's idea to have a section of the map for early war planes is a good one. We've talked about it before. And if two guys like lazs and me, diametrically opposed in what we want from a sim, can agree on that, then it must be an idea worth presenting to HTC and the rest of the community. :)
I like carrier ops and jabo, so a natural choice for me is the F4U (1C or 1D). A-4 came out day seven.
Yes, in Peril's RPS in the WW2A, that is quite correct. But in the old 4-colour MA, it came out on Day 4. And what a relief it was when that day came around! Come to California, you'll be in heaven.
As a matter of fact, I lived in California about 20 years ago - Concord, up past Walnut Creek. Gawd, that area has become so built up since I lived there. I was working for Bechtel in Walnut Creek. Paying for everyone else is taken out of my check each payday, whats left over is about "me".
Well, I like having happy co-gamers.
As for the LA7, I'll try it offline - and the N1K, but only to see what they can do so that I know how to tackle them. As for this comment about the LA7 - It is nothing special except under ideal conditions.
Hmmm, not that special? Is there any propeller powered plane in the planeset that's faster? I dived on an LA7 in a P47 (reached 550mph which gradually ebbed away) and I still could not catch that LA7 :(