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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AcId on September 06, 2002, 09:31:54 AM
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Current C6 proto, slated for '05
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another
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Looks vaguely familiar...
(http://www.cardesignnews.com/news/2002/020704z4-megane-mybch/images/bmw-z4-frt2s.jpg)
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BMW, Ripsnort's Kurt Tank. :D
SOB
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Originally posted by SOB
BMW, Ripsnort's Kurt Tank. :D
SOB
Hey, when Germany leads the way in design, all others fall in line. :)
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hmmm.....familiar is right ;)
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Originally posted by AcId
hmmm.....familiar is right ;)
And THAT was a copy of the BMW 507 :) 1955 Model :D
(http://www.bmw-veteranenclub.de/images/foto-06-g.jpg)
Like I said, Germany sets the standard, America follows...
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Sorry I mis-stated the topic....should have read "for vette bashing BMW lovers" :p
I'll keep the American made, and race ya. :D
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1953...
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Originally posted by AcId
1953...
That was Chevy's answer to yet more German design superiority:
1952 Porsche
http://www.supercars.net/Pic?s=7&y=1952&m=Porsche&o=356%20America%20Roadster&p=http://www.supercars.net/servlets/PW/garagePics/PeP/55car1.jpg&b=http://www.supercars.net/garages/PeP/55v2.html
;)
Hey, Vettes are nice! I like em! I like all cars for that matter! Well, maybe not Hundai or KIA's...
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man.. I'm gettin old... the only cars on the page that don't look like womens cars to me are the 59 and 53 vettes. The others seem to lack any character at all. the only car that the 507 "inspired" was the triumph spitfire... another ugly car.
The only car that I ever got rid of that I really regret was my 59 vette. They had their problems but these days knowing what we do now... They are all solvable. There is a trend towards "g" machines and I have seen several early (57-62) vettes with all late model vette running gear and suspension.. The best of both worlds and at a price not far from the personality impaired, cookie cutter girly car silliness you can buy on a showroom floor.
lazs
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"That was Chevy's answer to yet more German design superiority: "
Another luftwabble whine thread!
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Yep,
Was bummed to see this version. Looks like a fat 350Z. I'd hoped Chevy would finally take the Vette into the future by going mid-engined. Compete with Porsche, Lotus and other exotics. But no, more of the same ol' stuff. Sad.
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1952
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1975.
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Originally posted by lazs2
1952
Gotta side with lazs there. The Brits have been doing the roadsters right longer than anyone. Hell... even the best American roadster ever made came from buying the chasis from a British company.
And Rip... if you think that the Z3/Z4/Z8s are original... well... hehehe... that's just plain funny. I'm not saying the Corvette is any more/less original... just that there's no need to steal ideas from BMW when you can steal them from the same companies that BMW stole them from.
AKDejaVu
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*sigh* I'm quickly reminded why I usually don't start a thread.
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Originally posted by Braz
I'd hoped Chevy would finally take the Vette into the future by going mid-engined. Compete with Porsche, Lotus and other exotics.
I'm very glad they didn't go that way
-Sikboy
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Originally posted by Braz
Yep,
Was bummed to see this version. Looks like a fat 350Z. I'd hoped Chevy would finally take the Vette into the future by going mid-engined. Compete with Porsche, Lotus and other exotics. But no, more of the same ol' stuff. Sad.
Actually, Porsche usually finishes behind the Corvettes in the ALMS races. From a handling perspective, the front engine design has its advantages in safety, whereas the mid-engine design allows for better weight distribution.
And you're right - it looks like a fat Nissan Z. At first, I thought it was some sort of Chrysler concept vehicle.
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My British Roadster was designed by an Italian
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Originally posted by AcId
*sigh* I'm quickly reminded why I usually don't start a thread.
In the interest of making AcId feel better;
Thanks for posting this AcId, honestly. I got caught up in the credit game, but I really do like this look. They will be giving the corvet the hourglass figure that made the second generation stingrays so irresistable. Combine that with the looooong nose and I really think they have recaptured some of the mystique that makes the Corvette a great car.
-Sikboy
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Originally posted by AcId
*sigh* I'm quickly reminded why I usually don't start a thread.
Acid, don't you get it? We all agree on NOTHING! :)
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You guys do know that a roadster has no roll-up door windows?
(roadsters and convertibles/cabriolets aren't the same thing)
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Or that's what a roadster used to be anyway.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Acid, don't you get it? We all agree on NOTHING! :)
I know . . . :D
was said in jest ;)
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The only concept Chrysler seems to have is to make butt ugly cars for people with no taste.
The new vette looks like a Jag ripoff. I thought that's what it was yesterday when the pic was posted in another thread.
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Oh, and these aren't "Artist's conceptions either" they are pictures of the real prototype. My Father works at the GM Technical Center and has seen it in person. This is one "woman's car"(to quote lazs) I like, but some of the lines might still change as the final design hasn't been approved yet.
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I thought for sure this would be a thread of mullet growing tips.
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AcId, that picture is from Road and Track, and didnt they say in the article that the pictures were computers renderings of what they were told the car would have? (style markings, no popup lights, etc.) I personally like the the duckbill style in the back a la 61 to 67, but would prefer sticking with popup lights. I know these will cut down on the weight and cost but, I like the look.
Womans car my ass. You ever driven a 2002 Z06? Hell there are plenty of C3s (my favorates) that'll knock yer socks off as well. I'd take a Z06 over any panzy yuppymobile anyday :D
newguy
ASSASSIN
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Originally posted by Kratzer
I thought for sure this would be a thread of mullet growing tips.
That would be "For Camero Lovers"
http://www.mulletsgalore.com/
-Sikboy
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Originally posted by newguy
AcId, that picture is from Road and Track, and didnt they say in the article that the pictures were computers renderings of what they were told the car would have? (style markings, no popup lights, etc.)
newguy
ASSASSIN
Thats exactly the reason for my previous post ;)
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Originally posted by Sikboy
That would be "For Camero Lovers"
http://www.mulletsgalore.com/
-Sikboy
You were dead on with the CamaroMullet. I know a guy that looks just like that in our computer repair center. And he drives a vintage 1982 faded black Camaro, extra loud pipes.
I swear I've seen the BusinessMullet down in the club district - too funny!
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Acid, don't you get it? We all agree on NOTHING! :)
No we don't
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Originally posted by midnight Target
No we don't
Yes we do.
lefty
-Sikboy
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Originally posted by hblair
You guys do know that a roadster has no roll-up door windows?
(roadsters and convertibles/cabriolets aren't the same thing)
Think we should run this by the Z3 forum at bimmerfest.
And the Brits still made the best looking roadsters. Thank God America came up with real engines to put in them.
AKDejaVu
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LT1 300hp is used from 1992 to 1996. Change the injectors and Chip it you can squeeze over 600hp outa this little small block.
Ive seen most chipped to 420hp here in Vancouver. There was a 94 GS that was chipped to 625hp. Theres 2 problems with the Super Chip. Cost and it will void any warrenty on the car.
The C5 body style is a much bigger wheel base, wider track and they moved the trannie to the rear for better weight disribution.
I really wanted the C5 1997 to present, but cost was a factor. I am not rich plus it would cut my spending money in 1/2 when i go to Thialand & Brazil this coming January.
It will always cost you your 1st born to repair any of the Euro cars, the Vette is only the loss of a few girls in Thialand.
Dog out........
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu Thank God America came up with real engines to put in them.
http://britishv8.org/swaps/examples.htm
-Sikboy
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My car only has 150 HP :(
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I hate those Fast and Furious dorks who always try todrag me at the light. Them and their 350 dollar el cheapo cams and kragen auto ignition retardo devices. Still I'll drag them hoping they didnt torque the apparatus down right and pop a valve or two. I guess Im just evil.
:D
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Whoops sorry AcId, didnt read that one, my bad :D
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LT1 300hp is used from 1992 to 1996. Change the injectors and Chip it you can squeeze over 600hp outa this little small block.
ya sure, with a forged bottom end and about 20lbs of boost.
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ha.. Vette.. the ultimate noodle car.. ranks right up there with pickup trucks.:p
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Originally posted by TPIguy
ya sure, with a forged bottom end and about 20lbs of boost.
Dont forget the K&N airfilter.
other good power increasing mods:
1.) Reroute the factory air induction system from the fender. Get one of those trick aluminum pipes and a K&N airfilter. That way you can route the air induction directly over the exhaust manifold. Any fool knows how much horsepower is gained through routing hot air into the engine.
2.) Go buy the biggest and cheapest "muffler" you can find at your local auto parts store/garden center. An extra hint here is to make sure you pick the muffler with the must unpronouncable company name..and get lots of stickers. (Stickers=fast) Not only will you have lots of cool stickers all over your car, but you will have altered the backpressure of the exhaust system. You can gain (or lose, i forget which one,) up to 10 horses just doing this!
3.) Whenever you gas up, buy premium high octane gas. Also be sure to add at least two bottles of octane boost. Your car will run like crap and actually be noticeably slower, but damn that exhaust gas smell will convince everyone that you have the fastest car in town.
4.) This is a must. Get a new hood. Only dorks drive around town with the stock hood on their car or truck. Make sure you get a false hoodscoop or cowl induction set up. Your non functional cold air induction system will terrify everyone.
5.) Much like stickers, window tint, and clear tailights, a loud stereo makes your car insanely fast. Nevermind that you have weighed your car down by up to a hundred pounds or even more. you "sound" fast pumping that ultra annoying new Eminem song.
6.) After taking your mom's car (that you have modified as above) out to the "any tard can race" night at the local drag strip, leave your dial in time on the back window. It doesnt matter that it says 17.5 @ 70mph, you are a drag racer.
*hint* if your mom wont let you take the car out to the drags, just go buy some white shoe polish and do it yourself. Feel free to make up incredibly ludicrous times like 9.8 @120 MPH. If anyone questions you on the street and wants to race, tell them you cant because your "muffler bearings and carbuerator belts need to be replaced."
:rolleyes:
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I have owned 3 1980 Corvettes. I love the final 80-82 shark body style. The current models just don't look right to me with the dimpled "butt crack" roof and the fat rear for hauling golf clubs.
The prototype pics posted in this thread make me happy. Look closely... aside from the blunt nose, I see hints of the shark's pinched waist curves: the fender lines on either side of the door. Finally, a nice looking rear end again too. My only complaint is the nose, and I think I can live with that. If this prototype really goes into production, I just might get one in a couple of years after the bugs are ironed out.
As for those seeking mid-engined exotics... why look to the Corvette? Every time Chevy even thinks about doing it, they are reminded what has made the Corvette so successful: A standard front-engined pushrod V-8 with European level of performance at a fraction of the price. I can afford a Corvette, I can't afford a Lambo, Porsche, or Ferrari.
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yep hblair.. there are no roadsters being built now except in the "cottage" industry. The womens cars that are called "roadsters" these days are really convertables.
deja... America made some really great roadsters in the past. the cord, duzie and auburn speedster were very nice.
lazs
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Originally posted by hawk220
ha.. Vette.. the ultimate noodle car.. ranks right up there with pickup trucks.:p
ROTFLMFAO!!!!!
The only Vette worth a damn in my opinion is the ZR-1. THAT is a Vette.
Rip: that Porsche link didn't work for me. Was that for a Super Cabriolet 90?
AS for the styling of the "2005 Vette", the first that came into my mind was the XK-8, too.
Hell guys, if you want cheap and fast, get Ninja or better yet a Huyabusa.
Karaya2
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Originally posted by lazs2
deja... America made some really great roadsters in the past. the cord, duzie and auburn speedster were very nice.
lazs
Ah.. never said we didn't. But all of those cars you have listed are quite valuable... basically because they were rare;)
The U.S., G.B., Germany and Italy have all made some spectacular roadsters. It just seems that G.B. has had more than the norm. ;) ...though they have traditionally been underpowered. Once again... G.B. roadster design with an American engine is a sure fire winner.
AKDejaVu
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Hey Loser
http://modernmusclecars.net/articles/riceboyrules.html
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Now here's you a roadster the way they were meant to be. Dad drove this back from pigeon forge 'shades of the past' rod run sunday. '34 ford roadster....
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No roll up windows. No windows period except for windshield and back glass. Hardtop is of course removeable. I bet she stands tall without the top on. ;)
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nice car but.... in my opinion.... roadsters should not have automatic transmissions. well... no car should have an automatic transmission unless it can park in handicapped spaces.
lazs
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yeah but lazs you'd have to worry about gunking the clutch when cruising the blvd. and tarnishing your air of coolness. ;)
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Nice 34 hblair - did you restore that in your shop?
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No, dad bought that car last weekend. It's a fiberglass car, but has a 350 chev. w/TPI 4 wheel discs and all. He's got a '34 ford victoria (two door convertible w/ rumble seat) he's having built right now. It's an original steel car and will be a lot nicer than the roadster. I think he just got tired of not having one he could drive around.
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Actually an automatic can handle more torque than a stick.
K2
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yeah... and your car would perform better if it had the right guy driving it.. what's your point? certainly not 25 ft lbs of torque?
I drive a richmond gear 6 speed and an m22 rockcrusher. Maybe I would pick up that 25 ft lbs of torque that they are "weaker" if i just adjusted the clutch to slip like a torque converter does... maybe someday when I get real old I will try another auto. I never break manual trannies but I can destroy the best autos in 6 mos. Heat is their enemy not torque.
lazs
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testy, testy. Do you think I posted that to be a smart-ass? It is a fact, I know ALOT about drivetrains. Relax.
Karaya2
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i know a little about drivetrains too and i was not disagreeing. I just think your point is moot... but I was not disagreeing. Do you recall the short lived "clutch flite"? That was an attempt to mate a clutch to a torquflite. those suckers broke in a very big way. autos need slippage to get their torque rating but they trade heat and shortened life to get it. (along with weight and horsepower drain)
for the kind of torque we are talking about here.... a manual is still overkill. So.... why bother with an auto? Why throw out all the fun of driving to no purpose? The reason I hear most these days is.... "my leg gets tired pushing in the clutch".. Or... "my wife complained about the clutch". I don't hear "I think automatics are really cool" or even "automatics can handle torque better".
no need to make excuses about a 6 speed. No real need to tell people how much fun they are either. Never seen anyone with a stick try to make the lever look like he had an auto in the car have you? Sheesh... I've seen guys with autos put a fake clutch pedal in to match their fake "shifter".
lazs
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How's this. I'm a Ford Man. HOWEVER, If I could have a Tranny in my "dream roadster" I would choose the Pontiac T6 (Trans-Am Tranny). IMO, that is one of the best CURRENT trannies out there.
Lazs
K2
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the t6 is good but... I think the richmond gear 6 speed has better ratios and is not a toploader. The "long" (brand) shifter that comes with it is like Hurst competion plus with an extra gate and built a little better with heim joint ends and positive billet block action. I love hurst stuff but the long is growing on me. In the richmond, 5th is 1:1 and 6th is .76 I can have essentially, 4.56 rearend gears in the first four speeds and then 2.90's in 6th... I run around 2400 rpm at 80mph. I dont need anything taller than that. getting that poor old big block to push a '69 el camino through the air is hard enough.
The healey runs a M22 4speed and 3.70's. the motor is a pretty radical 331 small block with 11.5 to one pistons and it likes to run 3 grand cruise. I don't want to driver the car much over 120 or so for any lengthj of time so the gearing suits the car with it's 2100lbs and 400 or so hp.
I am having too much fun to consider an auto.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
yeah... and your car would perform better if it had the right guy driving it.. what's your point? certainly not 25 ft lbs of torque?
I drive a richmond gear 6 speed and an m22 rockcrusher. Maybe I would pick up that 25 ft lbs of torque that they are "weaker" if i just adjusted the clutch to slip like a torque converter does... maybe someday when I get real old I will try another auto. I never break manual trannies but I can destroy the best autos in 6 mos. Heat is their enemy not torque.
lazs
mostly right here laz.
Off the showroom floor i would take a stick over an auto any day because factory autos are so incredibly limp wristed that it makes my stomach turn. Well maybe not that bad....
But there are tons of mods you can do to autos to make them crazy nutso.
If you install a torque converter with a solid 3200 stall speed you are launching with the same revs as most stick drivers. You are also keeping your ride manageable for day to day street driving.
You can also set your tranny up with a tranny lock. This fun little invention locks your transmission in 1st and 3rd gear or 1st and reverse until you pull your thumb off the "trigger" This little device allows you to launch so hard that low back seats that many a muscle car was fitted with dont cut it anymore.
Dropping that tranny pan and installing a full manual valve body is a must. Some folks go the half arsed route and just toss in a "shift kit." Shift kits are good of course, but still leave the shifting up to a few balls and springs. Couple the full manual tranny to a good rachet shifter.
Of course you have a valid point here about heat and wear. Manual trannys dont have to worry about overheating and fluid break down. (at least not near the extent of autos.) But then again auto drivers dont have to worry about Mr. Clutch shattering and paying a visit to the interior of the car. (i know this is rare, and even the largest moron has a scatter shield.)\
I think it comes down to personal preference. Sticks are more reliable, autos are more consistent. I dont care whether you use your left or right hand....the result is the same.
:D
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loser... mostly right but... you are not launching at the same speed with a 3200 rpm stall converter. I dump the clutch at 4500 in my healey and... I am not driving around with the clutch slipping like the high stall tc guys... I had a full manual body th350 in the healey once that someone talked me into. he built it for me and..... I was never so bored in my life.
Now... ya wanna talk tough... go ahead and put that auto in neutral and rev it to 4500 and then drop it into gear... just like dumping the clutch. lets see about that vaunted "torque handling ability". I think that you will find that scattershields are not just for sticks.
I agree that autos with computer hookups and trans brakes etc.. are more consistent but.... I grew up on tracks where the first man to cross the line won.. On the street... that is still the case.
on the street... a lot of guys simply don't know how fun and versitile a stick can be. I have converted a few auto guys by letting em drive my car. The thing that is said the most about the 6 speed is "i gotta get one of these" downside is that they are about $3,000 but... I ask em "how much did the last rebuild on your 700r cost?"
lazs
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1948
(http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~ut1j-tndu/fe_images/12_cyl_img/166mm_spyder_frqt.jpg)
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Dumb question funked, is that a ferrari dino?
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Dinos weren't roadsters...
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It's a 166 Mille Miglia, aka "Barchetta"
2 liter V-12 - You GOTTA hear these things wind out. :)
It's the car that all the Jags and Healeys and BMWs and Chevys were emulating.
The two biggest sports car races in Europe (and the world) were the 24 Heures du Mans and the Mille Miglia, and this thing won both. It was also a perfectly usable 2-seat street car.
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HB that 34 is byoooteeful. Much better looking than Lazs' Penelope Pitstop Special.
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Ok, how about this:
British Convertable, Italian Design, MOPAR engine.
(http://www.jfgratton.com/midget/images/P8200059.JPG)
-Sikboy
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Originally posted by lazs2
loser... mostly right but... you are not launching at the same speed with a 3200 rpm stall converter. I dump the clutch at 4500 in my healey and... I am not driving around with the clutch slipping like the high stall tc guys... I had a full manual body th350 in the healey once that someone talked me into. he built it for me and..... I was never so bored in my life.
Now... ya wanna talk tough... go ahead and put that auto in neutral and rev it to 4500 and then drop it into gear... just like dumping the clutch. lets see about that vaunted "torque handling ability". I think that you will find that scattershields are not just for sticks.
I agree that autos with computer hookups and trans brakes etc.. are more consistent but.... I grew up on tracks where the first man to cross the line won.. On the street... that is still the case.
on the street... a lot of guys simply don't know how fun and versitile a stick can be. I have converted a few auto guys by letting em drive my car. The thing that is said the most about the 6 speed is "i gotta get one of these" downside is that they are about $3,000 but... I ask em "how much did the last rebuild on your 700r cost?"
lazs
lazs it seems you know a fair bit about cars. So you must know that a neutral drop has nothing to do with a trans lock set up.
You also must know that launching a healy of 2000 pounds is nothing like launching a 3500 pound muscle car.
My brother drives a 1968 Plymouth GTX 440 Magnum done to the nuts coupled to a race hemi 4 speed tranny. (the exact gear ratios escape me.) 4.88s out back in a dana 60
I drive a 1970 Plymouth Valiant Duster 340 with a purple shaft (the rest is stock) and the tranny set up i described. Irun a 727 with a 8.75 rear end 3.23 OPEN. No spool, no posi, nothing. Only a set up McCreary Roadstars to aid my traction system.
I am always first over the line from 0 to 1320 feet when we play.
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rgr funked, Deja. You like rush's song 'red barchetta'? Cool song.
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funked.. ferrarris are king of style.. or were.. the 38 alfa spider was a landmark style car too.
loser.. Stock 70 dusters with auto and 3.23 gears ran 14.72 back in 1970 (car life 3/70)... very respectable, a light car.. The GTX with 440 and auto with 3.23 gears would run 14.6 (car life 2/68) 4 speed cars were allways a tiny bit faster but usually had lower gearing. To get the results you guys get means that something is wrong with his car or the way he drives it. What are your times? Do you have 0-30 times?
and yes... I know what a tans brake is but you won't launch an auto car at 4500 with one. I can do it easily. In the big heavy chevelle I can have the equivelent of 4.56 gears 4 speed and then shift two more gears for practicality... the 3.30 low (first) launches the 3700 lb car well and at any RPM I choose. well... am suffering from some wheel hop right now but have a solution.
thing is.. on the street is different than at the drags. I don't compete at the drags anymore but I do enjoy the advantages and fun factor that a standard trans gives in the real world. Both of my cars have extensive suspension mods so they handle decent.. I like having a manual to take advantage of this. I feel that auto trans kills the fun and versitility of a car. I can shift a good manual pretty well after all these years so am fairly consistent... good enough for the girls I go out with anyhow. I don't have autos cars getting much of an advantage on me as I shift. they have time to observe too since they are doing nothing important at the time and they tell me that I actually pull a little when I shift. If I don't lose ground I'm happy tho.
autos are better than they ever were but... they still suck up a lot of horsepower, aren't very versitile, are heavy, build up a lot of heat and well..... they just are not very fun. With modern 5 and 6 speeds I can't imagine anyone other than a trailer queen quarter miler car using one.
lazs
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No thats not a Dino hblair, I think its a British car.
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On the new Vette look:
Looks a lot like a Viper to me.
On the Auto vs. Manual discussion:
I was a die-hard 4 speed user for quite awhile.
'67 HEMI GTX 4-speed was my first 'fast' car.
It's the car that I learned how to shift 'fast' with.
Tunnel ram tuning 101 began with it.
'69 426 wedge motored Road Runner.. 4-speed car.
Started life as a 383 car, owned and ran it for 9 years.
'64 Chevell Malibu ..my first 'project' car.. L-88 with LS-6 heads ported an shaved ..final compression ratio was 13:1..
First car I ever owned that I broke everything on .. sooner or later.
I learned that an aluminum case Muncie .. rock crusher or standard.. is for light cars with no horsepower or traction.
I scattered 3 of them before going to a cast iron T-10.. then I twisted the chrome moly driveshaft.. and it went on from there.
It was a fast car .. when it stayed together.
With 4:11's in the back I could stand it up purty good in second ..useda scare the wannabe racers real good with that trick :) 3500 rpm, 35mph, let the clutch out a bit fast then hammer it, .. the front wheels would touch down just as I hit 7k rpm on the tach and time for 3rd. Yes.. it was a high windin 427.. it *liked* 7k.
People useda ask me if I ran an automatic in it .. because I shifted so fast and smooth. Learned on a Chrysler 4-speed.. and everything else seems like a toy. Lightweight.
On a lark, I built myself a 440 powered Duster.
4-speed in it at first.
It would go sideways at 35mph just comin onto the cam in second gear. Squirrely MOTHER!!.
No way 'street tires' would ever work on it.
I wanted to bracket race .. and the first couple times out, that 4-speed was just killin me. I'd slam second after a great launch and the car would drift sideways until the tires hooked ..sometimes all the way to steering lock and I'd have to back off.
Friends of mine said it looked scary .. it felt that way too!
Busted my bellybutton tryin to figure out somethin to get it straight.
Slick pressures, Pinion snubber, ladder bars, ..no joy.
Friend of mine offered me a straight up trade.. he wanted to put his race car back on the street, originally a 4 speed car, and we swapped the whole setup.
First auto car I had ever tried.
Well .. car went straight first time out.
Cut ET's within 2-3 *hundredths* on each pass.
I did well with it.
Duster weighed in at 3020 lbs with a full tank.
(glas hood, purty well gutted, caged)
Friends stock duster 340 4-speed car weighed in at 3200 lbs.
-grin- .. another friend who swore his '65 Vette 327 4 gear was lighter than either of us came in at 3570 lbs.
My best ET was 10.27 at Pomona .. tried for the Pro Gas field there one weekend. Wasn't quite fast enough.
-evil grin- ..was the only one there with license plates, turn signals that worked, etc :)
I bracket raced that car on and off for 18 years.
Never broke anything on it.
Evolved from six-pac carbs to full on tunnel ram, 10" converter down to 8" ..3.91's to 4.89's.
It was *fun* to cruise in. Sittin at a stoplight surrounded by Toyota's .. those solid lifters just cacklin and the cam syncopating a marvelous tune. (.590" 310deg purple shaft at the last)
My chevelle was faster. My Duster was more fun.
I useda drive both of em back and forth to work .. just because I could.
-GE
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Duster pix ;)
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Heres another duster.
LOL :D
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grey.. Yep.. autos are king of bracket racing. They are more consistent and you don't have as much to do so you can "drive" the car. torque comes on softer with an auto too so you don't get that embarassing sidways thing in second.
You can break a muncie in heavy cars. my el camino weighs 3700 lbs. I took out the muncie and put in a richmond 6 speed... It is pretty much a super t10 with a better case and two extra gears... just like a doug nash 5 speed with one extra (overdrive) gear.. a lot of my friends with big block cars (455-502) still run 4 speeds with no problem.
My healey is 2100 lbsand the muncie is no problem. The healey has a very liong duration solid lifter cam and 11.5 to 1 pistons with the 26 degrees of initial advance and a victor single plane... lucky to get 11 inches of vacuumn... all stuff that kills bottom end and wouldn't work in a heavy car. I haven't run the car but I ran it recently against a friends 427 cobra replica that runs consistent 12.20's I can run with him pretty easy. I drive the car all the time. It sounds really radical but behaves on the street. my son took one of them cannon "elf" mpeg's of the car launching and it is on the modified healey website. I was testing traction bars and somebody with your experiance will not be fooled... I had to get out of it towards the end but I faked it pretty well. If you like the sound of a high strung small block you might enjoy it.
back in the day.... I ran a 41 willy's pickup with a 427 solid lifter motor and a muncie m21 with a locked dana. It would run mid/high tens at fremont (really showing my age here)and was a real adventure... I have no doubt that an auto would have made this car easier to drive and hence... faster at the strip.. Like I said tho.... the street is different. no big slippery spot right where you have to hit second. people who drag for the first time are allways amazed at how slippery a drag strip can be.
my thoughts on mopars... neat cars with realy tough drivelines but about the hardest cars to drive. even a 383 roadrunner will go up in smoke and the steering in the old mopars had no real connection to the road that I could tell. torque monsters... mopar knew it and built tough drivelines.
gawd i love this bench racein stuff... Sorry to bore some of you guys but I just don't care about cup holders and stereos. I am unrepentant. Oh wait.... I'm gonna put a vintage air system in my el camino (it is on backorder) and i have a "lady of guadalupe" magnetic statuette but that is as far as I go.
lazs
oops.... just re read this and it sounds like I said that "I" ran mid 10 second runs in the willy's... that is not true.. I ran 12's. A gasser driver ran the 10 sec. runs and didn't like the way the car handled at all... a very scary car.
lazs
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I don't mind bench racin at all :)
For sheer gut feelin ..there isn't much that can match slammin second so fast and smooth the car barely reacts, tach stays at 7k for a beat, then drifts slowly down as the tires hook and you get pressed *hard* back into the seat .. again.
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When I was stationed at George AFB, CA ..workin the Weasels there (105's then F-4G's) .. became friends with a guy who started a 'speed' shop in downtown Victorville.
I worked with him for the 6 years I was there at George.
Learned more than I ever wanted to know about chebbies, mopars, fords . ..built over a hundred small block chebbies.
I wanted to see how a 440 would stack up against all the chebbies runnin around.. ran across a deal I could not pass up,
..so I sold my '62 Nova stationwagon (that I had a big port 396 goin together for, along with a 4:88 12 bolt rear all cut down for)
..she would have been a *rocket* -g- .. was all 'glas back to the firewall, plexiglas windows, etc. -evil grin- I had welded the back doors and filled the rear glass with metal .. looked like a sedan delivery :)
In any case.. everyone and his brother had a chebbie.. so I did a Duster to see if I could stay with all the '396' Chevelles in town.
-evil grin- .. the 440 dont wind like a big port Rat for sure.
The key was hookin it hard on the launch .. she came out so hard and fast on 13" slicks I swear it bent my teeth back.
60 foot times were 1.06 *seconds* .. and I usually managed to cut a .04 light off the line.
Demoralized the heck outta some of the street racers I ran into .. Duster was so far gone by the time I hit second gear some would just give up.
The Chevelle I built would have reeled the duster in through 3rd and prolly blown by in 4th .. but it never matched that gut wrenching, can't even move my eyeballs launch the Duster would do :)
I used all the tricks I had learned when I put Duster together.
Tunnel was matched to heads, heads were '68 ported an polished a bit right to the Chrysler templates, headers were matched to heads, carbs were highly modified 660's ..850 baseplates, secondary metering blocks (so each barrel had an idle circuit), inlets smoothed, checked and rated by Airflow Research when I finished with them (I wanted hard data on just what I had managed to do with my grinder :) .. both rated at 800 cfm.
Milodon dual line swivel pickup oil system ensured I never had any problems ..even had an external pressure adjust doo-dad on it. The 12 quart pan was a pain on rough roads, banged it up now an then.. finally went to a 10 qt. pan.
I ran 10: 1 TRW's in it .. because I wanted to run pump gas.
(The Chevelle was a Daeco baby ..120 octane it liked ..not much else :)
Whole car was setup for 6k rpm shifting.. I had read twistin a 440 to 7k was askin to scrap it, .. so I rarely did. (went to 7k shifts tryin to make the Pro-Gas field ..it only added 2 tenths.. surprised me :)
Sheesh .. I could go on for awhile .. LOL.
-GE
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grey... sounds like you have built some high budget specialty cars... sounds like a lot of fun and I agree with your assesment of the 440... the cheapest rush you can get but they don't breath and the lower end is surprisingly fragile. I had a 68 RT charger with a 440 and it was a very entertaining car that never caused any fuss like the big block porcupines.
Heck.. I don't even do "full power" shifts anymore (well, very often anyhow)cause I am tired of the work.
as an old "put a straight axel under the '55 and 4.88's" guy I am mellowing... I really like the "g" machine trend these days of turning the old muscle cars into multi faceted performers... accelerate, handle and stop... great fun. I like running 2400 rpm at 80mph and cornering flat and allways haveing a choice for the right gear. something about dropping two gears in an uphill sweeping turn and pulling away rapidly from a boxy german car as the road straightens but continues uphill.... It must be weird to see a huge old el camino do that. Wouldn't want to get on a skid pad or tiny little autocross course with that car but in the real world.....
oh... coolest g machine Ive seen is a 68 charger with viper v10 and 6 speed... 12" discs all around and full roll cage... recaros etc. silver car but I doubt you would have trouble finding it in a large lot next to all the other silver cars.
lazs
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Thought I'd punt this for more car talk.
Pop traded the 'glass roadster above for a '55 chevy bel air. Nice car. Meanwhile, the '34 cabriolet that he bought like 3 years ago to rebuild is now back from the fabricators. Frame is all boxed and reinforced w/ brake & fuel lines run inside the rails. New floor installed. Lt quarter replaced. New metal fenders. New rumble seat. The guys did a real nice job on the floor.
Looks like we're gonna finish it in the shop. I have a love/hate relationship with street rods. When I was a teen, seeing a car I worked on in a show with people oooing and awiing at it made me feel really good. But the being a hermit in the shop sanding til you have no fingertips or the ol fingers just outright bled kinda sucked. We hope to have it roadworthy in about 9 months. I'll let you all know how it goes.
;)
Lotsa bare steel:
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Nice job on the floor w/ recesses. Notice hump for rr. axle chunk clearance..
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LT1 looking at home. This thing hasn't run in like 4 years. :D
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Wow, great project hb - the floor looks great, keep us posted please :cool:
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looked that way to me too until i pulled up a pic of the viper..man the vette looks pretty sad in comparison..
it looks from the front view like they totally wiped away any vestiges of individualism and style that it had left.
:(
Originally posted by Grayeagle
On the new Vette look:
Looks a lot like a Viper to me.
-GE
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Nice work on the floorboard welds. Are you doing all the bodywork at your shop?
BTW.. if you're looking for a rearend to drop in that thing... try Dutchman Motor Sports (http://www.dutchmanms.com/). Check out the rolling chasis on the 57 in the project cars section.
MiniD
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Doh! missed the "in the shop" reference.
Make sure to keep the pictures coming.
MiniD
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man... all that room to work makes me drool.. The damn healey is a fabrication only car... every part has to be fabricated and shoehorned in. Can't realy buy anything for it. Oh... I bew up the 396 in the elky but it is a 468 now and I did get the vintage air system installed. The six speed is still holding up and the car is a blast to drive. The coolest tool that has come out in the last ten years is the flux core wire feed welder....
now everyone can afford a wire feed welder to fab up floor boards and such.
lazs
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rgr, will do bonden. Mini-D, we haven't done anything to it yet. Pop unloaded it yesterday after getting it from the fab shop. He'd been planning on letting somebody else do all the bodywork, but it was taking longer than he wanted and costing more than he wanted to spend. He figured we could finish it up ourselves. I don't know where he got the "ourselves" part tho. :) lol lazs, a 468 in an el camino? I bet it gets squirrely with ya doesn't it? One of our bodymen has a 70-something chevy luv with a big block cheverolet in it. :D He has a problem with traction off the line.
Cool think about wire welders these days too lazs, is you can plug up to a 110 volt outlet. All our migs run off 110 now, no need to have 220 volt outlets all over the shop.
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'nuff said.
:)
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My greatest desire.
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6 oc view.
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Originally posted by gofaster
(1) Actually, Porsche usually finishes behind the Corvettes in the ALMS races.
(2) From a handling perspective, the front engine design has its advantages in safety, whereas the mid-engine design allows for better weight distribution.
(1) Thats because they are in different classes.
(2) The 993GT2's, 996GT3's, and 996Turbo's that race in ALMS are rear engine designs, not mid engine.
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I'm buyin my z06 in '05. I have a chipped '86 that spins 345 HP at the rear... just added 175 shot of NOS from Summit(haven't used it yet). Also have 1800 Watts in it.. this is my third and by far favorite 'vette... will miss it when I sell it.
Haven't lost a single race to any of those jap crap/Euro cars, most of those clowns have no idea how to drive anyway.
Got stomped on by '68 camaro.... he was NOS'd.. I'll be lookin for him now. :)
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Naso... this is a corvette thread... any teenage clown can post pics of what he wants. 'nuff said.... go away wannabe
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Originally posted by Steve
Naso... this is a corvette thread... any teenage clown can post pics of what he wants. 'nuff said.... go away wannabe
I love you too. :D
P.S.
I dont think all the photos here are corvettes, anyway...
Smooooch!!! :)
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I knew that Vette looked familiar.
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naso.... old Ferraris were gorgeous... that thing you show is hideous... a nightmare... some pimps idea of a sports car..
lazs
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Naso... just messin around bro... hope you get your car someday.
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Originally posted by lazs2
naso.... old Ferraris were gorgeous... that thing you show is hideous... a nightmare... some pimps idea of a sports car..
lazs
That one is a Lamborghini Countach (1988).
Has been the fastest car in commerce until the Ferrari F40 enter in the market (and then the others).
320 Kmh Effective.
12 cylinders 5kcc.... a music... a F1 engine in a jet chassis.
The air intake and other profiles are NACA profiles.
All in aluminium (good for recycling ;) ).
Hand made.
My preacioussss.... my treasssure...
:)
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Originally posted by Steve
Naso... just messin around bro... hope you get your car someday.
NP, there's a site selling some of them at 89.000 $ (!!)... if only...
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Originally posted by Monk
I knew that Vette looked familiar.
Fiat Coupè.
Design: Pininfarina.
Engine: 2kcc / 2kcc Turbo.
A fake, tested it, it's not worth.
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Originally posted by Naso
A fake, tested it, it's not worth.
Never liked it either,
trying to save for this.
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Ah, the 147 :)
3.2 liter - 250 bhp - 246 Km/h
A coworker have the TDI SW version, did'nt tested yet, but he told me that at 200 Km/h (amaizing for a diesel) keeps a very good stability.
A lot of electronic, for sure, but the chassis must be good anyway, electronics cant do miracles ;)
A good choise, i think, and if GE buy the Fiat (Alfa is in Fiat group), there will be an improvement in price, over the ocean.
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My baby.
It's only a Toyota Celica 1.8, but it's mine :)
Is'nt she nice? :)
P.S.
Testing my new nokia phone too, MMS are an amaizing tool.
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This is what I'm driving now. I love it
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Pazzuoli? Is that near Napoli?
I cruise to Italy at least 2 a year, in the area of Grossetto, Scarlino to be exact.
Great Country!
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Yep, Pozzuoli it's near Napoli :)
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My current car looks like this:
(http://www.dtmpower.net/ppost2/data/514/6887m3_lf-med.jpg)
That's not exactly the same car but colour and M Tech body kit is same.
I will be driving car like this in one years time:
(http://www.dtmpower.net/ppost2/data/2/1003247_____v.jpg)
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Wow Jochen!!
Beauty!!
What model is it?
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Here's my weekend car, drive a dodge truck during the week.