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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Cherlie on September 06, 2002, 10:04:36 AM
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First its Argentina, then Yugoslavia. Now US won't even win Gold!
The 58 game winning streak for the USA in Basketball is over and do you want to know why?
It's those High schools kids coming into the NBA totally unprepared for NBA level.
So what do the owners do? they draft exxperienced European players and guess what, the high school kids are left behind.
Kwane Brown, number 1 draft pick last year, only started a handful of games, only got about 10 mins per game. WHAT A WASTE OF A NUMBER ONE DRAFT!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope this leaves a lesson for us to learn.
Don't run before you can walk!!!!!!!!!
CB
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its stinking basketball .. who cares?
All thought is concentrated on Cane/Gator battle in the swamp!
Nothing else matters!
Well until Sunday afternoon :)
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Originally posted by Cherlie
It's those High schools kids coming into the NBA totally unprepared for NBA level.
That's why college basketball is so great. Every game is serious because each of those guys could be playing their last competitive game.
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Originally posted by Cherlie
I hope this leaves a lesson for us to learn.
Don't run before you can walk!!!!!!!!!
CB
I think the real lesson is that diversity kicks ass.
Good job RoW, Good Job.
-Sikboy
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I quit routing for the U.S. teams in basketball when college players were cut out of the Olympic teams after John Thompson led them to glorious defeat against Brazil about 12 years ago.
Despite the fact that our College players had been kicking butt for years, the whiners couldn't stand the concept of defeat. Rather than place the blame on the coach, or just accept defeat with honor, we decided we had to bring in the pros. A bunch of guys who had twice the talent but only 25% of the enthusiasm of the college players. It was disgusting. I quit caring entirely.
Now the pros have gone down to inglorious defeat. Sorry, but I can't work up any sympathy.
Regards, Shuckins
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A's on a 20-game win streak, Raiders play the Seagals on Sunday.
I couldn't even get excited about basketball if Jordan and Magic were playing one on one in my driveway.
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I played competitive basketball for years, but never watch the pros. College ball is better and much more exciting. Those pros should be ashamed for losing that game. The talent level in the NBA is huge, but the desire level sucks.
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Originally posted by funkedup
A's on a 20-game win streak, Raiders play the Seagals on Sunday.
I couldn't even get excited about basketball if Jordan and Magic were playing one on one in my driveway.
Baseball? Why bother, bowling is on after the Cubs are again out of it. Check that, NASCAR every week!
Jon Gruden had NOTHING to do with a aging old veteran group that Joe Namath would cringe when they were more apt to promote Viagra than leather gloves. HE only lead them to the finals, which indeed did lead to the heartbreaker, err, the fluke loss to the Patriots. Sell him off though? Wtg AL.
Packers go 9-7 at worst, but getting excited by the Raiders? Hasn't Al Davis just ruined your season before it started? Granted he's not going to L.A, but it would be easier on you?
Holmgren will beat them so badly, it's not betting the points, it's rubbing it in at half time at the Hilton to the Black and Silver poor fanatics.
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IT IS JUST BASKETBALL 7 out of 145 people actually like it
less than that actually play
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Originally posted by Creamo
Baseball? Why bother, bowling is on after the Cubs are again out of it. Check that, NASCAR every week!
Jon Gruden had NOTHING to do with a aging old veteran group that Joe Namath would cringe when they were more apt to promote Viagra than leather gloves. HE only lead them to the finals, which indeed did lead to the heartbreaker, err, the fluke loss to the Patriots. Sell him off though? Wtg AL.
Packers go 9-7 at worst, but getting excited by the Raiders? Hasn't Al Davis just ruined your season before it started? Granted he's not going to L.A, but it would be easier on you?
Holmgren will beat them so badly, it's not betting the points, it's rubbing it in at half time at the Hilton to the Black and Silver poor fanatics.
we have Chucky now:
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time will tell, hard to coach a good team with swiss cheese for an offensive line
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Guess the days of "just showing up" have come to an end. Nice to see those egos get put into place.
AKDejaVu
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Several reasons, not that I really care about the NBA that much, it's my least favorite of the major leagues. Ranks down there with Major League Lacrosse.
Anyways, first, lack of true desire from most NBA players. The first couple of "Dream Teams" truly embraced playing for the USA in international competition. They took it seriously in training and in games and it showed. I wholeheartedly disagree that Magic, Bird, Jordan and the rest of the 1992 Dream Team played without desire, heart or love of country. Every other "team" since hasn't shown any of the three. Those pros who didn't put 100% into it or didn't even bother (next section) are a disgrace to the country. Seriously, it should be an honor to represent your country, whether it be in the military or in a sporting competition. The college kids and the first dream team understood that, the pros in recent years don't.
Second, fielding a second tier team. Where was Kobe? Vince? T-Mac? A.I.? Kevin Garnett? Tim Duncan? Shaq is at least hurt I think, but I'm not sure he was invited. Kobe flat out turned down the offer to play. I don't know about the rest of the players I mentioned. I do know that in hockey and football (soccer, I mean) when the national team calls you up to play in a tournament, especially the world championship, it's a HUGE honor and you typically do not decline. Also, you bring your A players, not your B players.
Third, George Karl. WTF kinda selection was this? His Bucks folded in the second half of the season. No team chemistry. He had no control. Same thing with this US team.
I think all three factors contributed, as well as the Argentines and Yugoslavs playing fantastic basketball (Argentina has 3 NBA calibre players, one starting this season, two former and Yugoslavia has 5 according to espn.) I'd say I know how Portugal felt in the World Cup, but they brought their A team to play and lost. We played on our home turf with a B team that didn't care (I include Karl in that), and lost because of it.
I want the best representing our country in competition. I just wish the best wanted to represent our country in basketball.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Guess the days of "just showing up" have come to an end. Nice to see those egos get put into place.
AKDejaVu
Whose ego was put into place? Shaq's? He wasn't there. Kobe? He wasn't there either. I doubt anyone reading this can name three of the starting five players we had, but the one thing they had in common is they sacrificed some rare time off to represent our country for NO MONEY, btw, so cut these guys some slack. They lost to a Yugoslav team featuring two teammates who've played on the same team in the NBA and came within a shot and a couple of bad calls of beating the Lakers. Give the NBA guys who gave a rat's bellybutton enough to show up some slack.
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Or transversely, simply say, "Good job!" to the winners and leave it at that.
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Sorry Elf, but I have always and will always resent the fact that the college players were cut completely out of the picture because they lost a game in the Olympics to Brazil. It wasn't their fault. It was poor coaching. But they got no second chance.
When sports fans began talking about the first "Dream Team" I got nauseous.
Do you remember the Olympic team that had Michael Jordan and Patrick Ewing and Joe Klein and Alvin Robinson on it? The last team I can remember made up of college players that won the Gold Medal? Their exploits were exciting to watch! They had it all...drive, and talent, and enthusiasm. They were a REAL Dream Team~
Some of the pro players I have watched at the Olympics acted as they were playing a pick-up game.
Besides, the whole object of the Olympics is to showcase the talents of non-professional athletes from all over the world. But the professionals have taken over, not just in the Olympics, but in the World Games as well.
You can have it.
Regards, Shuckins
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Isnt Basketball a girls game? Or is that Netball?
Theres a difference isnt there?
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Spook,
I think basket ball is that game where they toss big orange balls into high netted hoops... they bounce them a lot too... I think...? Not really sure though, never really bothered to watch.
eskimo
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Spook,
I think basket ball is that game where they toss big orange balls into high netted hoops... they bounce them a lot too... I think...? Not really sure though, never really bothered to watch.
eskimo
and they run back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and ..... ZZZzzzzz
I do believe a listed grievance in the reparations lawsuit
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Originally posted by Fyre
Sorry Elf, but I have always and will always resent the fact that the college players were cut completely out of the picture because they lost a game in the Olympics to Brazil. It wasn't their fault. It was poor coaching. But they got no second chance.
When sports fans began talking about the first "Dream Team" I got nauseous.
Do you remember the Olympic team that had Michael Jordan and Patrick Ewing and Joe Klein and Alvin Robinson on it? The last team I can remember made up of college players that won the Gold Medal? Their exploits were exciting to watch! They had it all...drive, and talent, and enthusiasm. They were a REAL Dream Team~
Some of the pro players I have watched at the Olympics acted as they were playing a pick-up game.
Besides, the whole object of the Olympics is to showcase the talents of non-professional athletes from all over the world. But the professionals have taken over, not just in the Olympics, but in the World Games as well.
You can have it.
Regards, Shuckins
I agree Shuckins, I'd rather watch our college kids lose an international game than our pros win one. I didn't really follow these world games except to read about that big Chinese guy the Rockets got, but my point is that the guys on the US team may not have been our very best but thay at least showed up to represent the USA. Guys like Jason Kidd, Alan Iverson and Chris Webber were too busy smoking blunts is strip club parking lots at 4 AM to bother showing up. LOL Personally as a Sacramento Kings fan I was rooting for Yugoslavia anyway.
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Personally as a Sacramento Kings fan I was rooting for Yugoslavia anyway.
YEAH BABY!!!!! WE WER RIPPED OFF IN THE PLAYOFF'S I TELL YA!!! :mad:
CB
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The Olyimpics were originally for Amatures only, but the real intent was to keep out the riff raff underclass. Only moneyed people in the 1890's had the time to train for athletics, and Baron De Cubertain liked it that way.
The Pro's should have always been eligible.
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Midnight,
I disagree totally. The pros already have the big salaries and name recognition and tons of fans and a thousand other perks that come with doing such important and socially redeeming work. Why should they have it all?
Kick the pros out of the Olympics and give it back to the amateur athletes. Then, perhaps, the slide in Olympic popularity with its long-time fans might be reversed.
Regards, Shuckins
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Outlaw pros and you will end up with teams like the Red Army Hockey Team. Amatures my ass.
Which pros would you disqualify? What about track and field. Most top track stars make a fortune on the European circuit. What about the Italian pro basketball league, or the Greek, or the Israeli?
What about pro hockey, pro soccer? Do you want to go back to the days when an Eastern block soccer team always won the Olympics? We all knew they were professionally amature.
Amature status is a silly notion that just doesn't exist anymore unless you drop down to the high school level.. even then the elite are given special consideration. Let the best play. Not the richest. Because only the richest amatures can hope to afford the training and time it takes to become World class.
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college basketball rules IMO.
pro basketball ? pro at what? being lazy? snore..
and baseball? yawn
football and hockey.. oh yeah !
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The only reason the Eastern Block countries fielded bogus amateur teams was because the Olympic committees that certified teams for competition didn't have the guts to disqualify them. I would rather the U.S. had the guts to stop participating rather than bestow legitimacy on the whole process by adopting the attitude "well everyone else does it."
The argument that only the rich would participate if the games were restricted to amateurs is specious. Sports fans and organizations in the U.S. have always found ways to support our amateur athletes' financial needs. Despite the handicap of facing the foreign teams that are heavy with "professional talent," our athletes have won their fair share of medals.
Kick the bums out!
Regards, Shuckins
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Well Shuckins, I guess we just need to agree on what you mean by "amateur". If you are supported solely by your sport, you are a professional.
edit... I really need to get a spell checker.