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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: Esme on September 06, 2002, 03:59:19 PM
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In order to make things perfectly clear to all taking part in the Sunday TOD:
1. KG2 was heavily committed to BoB. This (BoB) was known of well in advance.
2. We were not expecting any Sunday TODs to be run until after BoB had finished, not only because that would involve us flying on both days of the weekend, but also because BoB required our attendance for nearly 6 hours on the Saturdays. Frankly, keen as we are on flying in organised games, we do like SOME time to go do other things at weekends... Therefore
3. We were not keeping a close eye on the TOD forum. When it did dawn on us that we were being expected to fly on the Sundays after the TOD frames, it was with far too little warning for us to do much about it. I did try to reach my pilots, but the only one I managed to contact in time was not willing to fly on the Sundays after BoB on the Saturdays any more than I was.
4. It is the feeling of our unit, with all due respect to the CMs, that it was a mistake to schedule a TOD to start concurrently with BoB; it was certainly over optimistic to expect us to be able to take part at such short notice with us having already committed heavily to BoB.
5. Not having taken part in Frames 1 and 2 of the current TOD for the above reasons, I am startled to find that some folk are still hoping to see us in Frame 3 of the current TOD! Here I can't speak for the rest of the unit, but I for one am still recovering from work-related stress and a sharp case of flight-sim burnout. I personally will NOT be flying in TOD this Sunday. I have just emailed the rest of the unit about Sunday, but I have NO idea what the response will be. Please do not be surprised or upset if none of us appear this Sunday.
6. I am expecting that KG2 will be ready to fly in the next TOD.
7. We request that CMs give more notice of TODs. A single week is not really sufficient. Two would be much better, a month ideal.
KG2 exists to take part in organised games - we do not even exist as an MA unit - everything other than organised games is, to us, either practice or just messing about. We fully support the aims of the TOD series of games and the efforts of the CMs who put together games for all of us to fly in. However, in this instance, a little too much was expected of us at too short notice, is all. We look forward to taking part in future TOD's to the best of our ability.
Fr. Maj. Esme,
Kommodore, Kampfgeschwader 2 "Holzhammer"
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Sunday TOD COs...plan on not having KG2 available for the TOD.
Esme, you obviously didnt read what was expected of your squad when you signed up for the TOD.
You and your squad may fly as guests in the next few TODs and when you think you can get organized well enough and can understand what is expected of you, we will reconsider your re-activation then.
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"It is the feeling of our unit, with all due respect to the CMs, that it was a mistake to schedule a TOD to start concurrently with BoB..."
Not that I am anybody, but I would have to agree with this. Are you sure you guys can't find just a little bit of leniency in this matter?
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Never hurts to put in your two cents dux. :)
The truth tends to get ummm twisted in some posts. There was plenty of notice and the rules are quite clear as sling stated.
Dates for the BoB were known WEEKS ahead of time. I post almost every Friday on events.
Finally there is only one squad who was a "no-show" and this is the second time for them! Sling has been very patient. When I was running the TOD's any squad who did not show up "once" was gone. Sling gave them a second chance to get their act together.
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BOB was NOT a squad based event. Evidenced by the registration process.
TOD IS a squad based event. So, I welcome the TOD's anytime the first come/first serve type events like the BOB come around.
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Thanks, Daddog... that's all it was; my two cents. :)
I'm unaware of the history (and wish to stay that way... not my business) between the CMs and KG2. However, I still think Esme outlined some very valid points in the above post, points that stand on their own merit, independent of any current situation.
I know that Rogue Squadron has walked that fine line a couple of times. A... we're a small squad. B... about half of us are active military, I myself am DoD, so in these current times attendance cannot always be guaranteed. Sometimes we get almost no advanced warning of any real-life responsibilities. We enjoy participating in the TODs, and would really feel bad if we were ejected from the rest of them because we had to miss a single one. The timing of BoB was, to put it bluntly, a real pain, and I can't help but empathize a little with KG2... it's just my nature.
Just another 2 cents. Consider it for what it is.
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for previous events though tod was put on hold while the event ran.
It was a tough descision for me and a few of my guys to make both friday tod and sat bob.
Sat are usually family day, same with sundays and ver few of my squad get much flying time in.
Frame 2 of the friday tod I just showed up just to get through it so I could get back to BoB. This lead to poor descisions and concentration on my part. Ultimately I got my whole squad killed.
I understand that tod are more important to some folks then Scenarios. If that cant be delayed then some leeway should be given to the squads who have folks involved in both.
Esme was my XO for bob. She had a lot on her plate then to face a tod without having the time to concentrate on it. I had the same problem.
Not to mention the hassel of getting all the folks in and out of squads for both events. Was a real hassel at times.
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I have had squads that gave me notice they can’t attend a frame or wanted to drop out for a period of time. That was fine. I have had new squads drop the ball and not show up. They contacted me and explained their error or the cause of the miss communication. Again that was fine. I have not had squads who blame the CM’s for their shortcomings and then not show up TWICE. Bit much IMHO.
In any case it is over and delt with by sling. I just wanted it to be clear to everyone why he did what he did with my support.
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I beg your pardon? TWICE? This is the FIRST time that KG2 has entirely no-showed for a TOD to the best of my knowledge. And I am perfectly aware of the TOD rules, Sling.
With all due respect to the CMs, by giving such short notice of a TOD when they KNOW that there is a big game like BoB already on, they are in essence DEMANDING that I spend the whole of my weekend focusing on AH - and anyone else who is a member of a TOD squad and who had signed up for BoB. The CM's knew of when BoB was scheduled for months. They could easily have avoided scheduling a TOD at the same time but chose not to do so.
Daddog, if this is indeed regarded as over, then TOD has lost any claim to being a serious attempt to involve dedicated players, so far as I am concerned. The attitude expressed by yourself and Sling show either no regard for or otherwise understanding of the reality of the situation.
I personally was putting in so much effort and time on BoB - and getting somewhat stressed about it (albeit on top of generalised life stress as well) that I lost my temper with the CMs in that to such an extent that I damned near got myself thrown out of the game - and I wouldnt have argued against that. Whilst my concerns were solely for the good of the game to be played, the way in which I behaved at the time was decidedly not helpful, and I regret that I did lose my temper as I did. This is different, and I do argue against it.
Amid all that, you expect me to be looking out for notice of a TOD on a daily basis, when, as I have stated, the entire unit wasnt expecting any until AFTER BoB, and so some of us are out of contact, and others (my XO, Douwe) overworked on AH-related stuff already? That's a bit damned much.
It would have been sensible for the TOD CM's to think about the situation and give more warning of the TOD. Indeed, it would generally be a good thing to have more advanced warning of individual TOD games, but certainly when they clash with large ORGABNISED (that's the operative word, folks) games like BoB it is ESSENTIAL that more warning be given.
KG2 is and always has been interested in ORGABNISED games, preferably squad-based, like the War Birds S3's and the TOD's, but we also help out as best we can with events like BoB - usually, because of the dearth of organised Axis bomber units, in providing knowledge and an organisational core for the Axis side when they need such for their bombers in organised games. We put in a LOT of time working on how to do bombing and plan bombing raids better and more historically, and we pass the basics of that on to others freely and gladly, with the hope that it will help others to enjoy this aspect of gaming WW2 air combat more.
This we have done, and we have behaved impeccably in the situation under discussion. When I became aware that there was indeed a game on, rash though I feel the decision to run one under the circumstances was, I did attempt to contact my members and see if any could attend. None could at such short notice. Following that, as we had not been in frames 1 and 2, for the reasons stated, I was startled to see that the frame 3 CO seemed to be expecting us to turn up for that, and so I posted as I did.
Kindly point out to me where, in any of all that, I or the rest of my unit have erred. If we are to be penalised for that, then I can only say that it refelects negatively only on those penalising us, not on our unit.
Esme
CO, Kampfgeschwader 2 "Holzhammer"
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Originally posted by sling322
Sunday TOD COs...plan on not having KG2 available for the TOD.
Esme, you obviously didnt read what was expected of your squad when you signed up for the TOD.
You and your squad may fly as guests in the next few TODs and when you think you can get organized well enough and can understand what is expected of you, we will reconsider your re-activation then.
Your above remarks are deserving only of contempt, kindly retract them.
Esme
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Originally posted by daddog
Never hurts to put in your two cents dux. :)
The truth tends to get ummm twisted in some posts. There was plenty of notice and the rules are quite clear as sling stated.
Dates for the BoB were known WEEKS ahead of time. I post almost every Friday on events.
Finally there is only one squad who was a "no-show" and this is the second time for them! Sling has been very patient. When I was running the TOD's any squad who did not show up "once" was gone. Sling gave them a second chance to get their act together.
Define "plenty" - notification during the period in which BoB was already under planning, and we'd already registered for the game? Hardly plenty.
Yes, dates for BoB WERE known WEEKS in advance, whilst those for TOD were NOT - that is precisely my point, thank you for making it for me, Daddog. So why wasnt the TOD announced weeks in advance so that the folks could make a rational choice as to whether they wanted to fly BoB, a TOD or both, rather than the TOD CMs essentially demanding that BoB participants fly a TOD whether or not they had the time or energy for it or not?
And as I have remarked elsewhere, KG2 has only entirely no-showed for a TOD once, to my knowledge. I'd be interested to know when the other occasion is supposed to have been.
Esme
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Originally posted by daddog
I have had squads that gave me notice they can’t attend a frame or wanted to drop out for a period of time. That was fine. I have had new squads drop the ball and not show up. They contacted me and explained their error or the cause of the miss communication. Again that was fine. I have not had squads who blame the CM’s for their shortcomings and then not show up TWICE. Bit much IMHO.
In any case it is over and delt with by sling. I just wanted it to be clear to everyone why he did what he did with my support.
What squad shortcomings? I notified folks as soon as it became clear to me that there was a TOD on that we could not attend due to the circumstances.
Daddog, I really dont understand why you and Sling are speaking to the situation like this - you are doing yourselves and the game a huge disservice. I urge you both to reconsider in the light of the facts and respond more rationally and fairly than you have thus far.
Esme
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Originally posted by Esme
3. We were not keeping a close eye on the TOD forum.
Maybe you should.
Originally posted by Esme
7. We request that CMs give more notice of TODs. A single week is not really sufficient. Two would be much better, a month ideal.
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Grayarea posted on the 11th August that this TOD would begin on 25th. This is two weeks if my math dont let me down.
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Noted, thank you - I must have missed that. However, as I have said, I wasn't keeping a close eye on the TOD forum because I quite reasonably wasn't expecting any TOD's to be run until after TOD was over, and indeed, believe I'd heard somewhere that that was in fact going to be the case. Therefore I didn't feel a need to keep close watch on the forum again (note "again" - I usually DO keep close watch in here) until BoB was over. BoB was taking up quite enough of my time already, thank you very much.
However, if I had realised earlier that a TOD was to be scheduled to run concurrently with BoB I would have spoken out against the foolishness of doing so. As was, when I first realised we were being told about a TOD, it didnt immediately sink in that it was to run during the same week as BoB rather than after it. I simply hadnt the time to spare to pay much attention to anything other than BoB. As was, due to problems getting BoB together (particularly the lack of time between when the terrain was finished and the LW rosters were sorted out and when the game was actually staged), I didn't have the time to do as good a job on my part of BoB as I would have preferred to do.
If it was a case of us not turning up for no good reason, sure, I'd expect punitive action. But being punished because of injudicious scheduling and unrealistic expectations from the CMs is hardly fair.
I'd also appreciate it if folks can drop the tendency to make comments about my reading rules, reading forums etc (because it really only shows that they arent paying attention to the core of the matter) and concentrate on the facts of the situation. We were put into an unecessarily difficult situation by thoughtless scheduling, and are now being criticised and penalised for it, despite having announced, as soon as we were aware of the situation, that we could not make this TOD. If that's anyones definition of fair, I don't think I want to be flying in the same games as them.
Esme
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Injudicious scheduling? I'm sorry, but I respectfully disagree with this. I understand that you (and Wotan among others) were heavily involved with the BoB scenario. However, there were plenty of TOD participants (in both the Friday and Sunday versions) who didn't even participate in one frame of the BoB. The scheduling may have been inconvenient for your squad, and a few others, but cancelling the TODs would have been disappointing for everyone else that did show up for the TODs. In my opinion, inconvenience is the lesser of the two evils. Thoughtless scheduling? I think I've shown otherwise. I'll use my squad as an example. In Invasion Sicily, I think 5 Mongrels got to fly in it and we had no TODs during the event (IIRC.) That meant 10+ Mongrels didn't get to fly in a Special Event that weekend. IMO, cancelling TODs for the 20-30% that got to fly in the scenario wasn't fair to those that didn't get to fly in an event at all.
No other TOD squad really complained about the scheduling. Wotan admitted he didn't prepare his squad well for Frame 2 of the Friday night TOD (however, Frame 1 went extremely well for them), yet JG2 still showed up and put up a good fight. (Wotan, I think you'd have been in trouble even with all your ducks in one place, there were at least 17 Mongrels in that area.) So I think unrealistic expectations doesn't apply either, at least I disagree with you. Other squads did both. banana flew Friday night and then CMed the BoB. He asked no more of you than he asked of himself or his squad (several Mongrels flew in both a TOD and BoB, 5 I think.)
As for the scheduling of TODs. They are 3 weeks on, one week off, barring circumstances beyond our control (connection issues, major release delays). This last TOD was in the same boat as BoB. We weren't sure we'd be able to run it due to the Special Events Arena connection problems. HTC took care of the issue, so we decided to go ahead with all of our normal events for August.
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Guys and Gals,
I think we are forgetting one thing here. This is a game. Some people just don't have as much time as others to put into it. If KG2 couldn't attend frames 1 and 2 because of the BOB, then fine. I understand it. Not everyone has the time to put in BOTH a Saturday of 7 hours and a Sunday of another 2 for a LUXURY, in the same weekend.
The CM's did give 2 weeks notice atleast of this event. But still, how many people who attended the TOD's put in asmuch time as Esme and KG2 did into BOB? (Aside from Wotan, Witch and AndyH, they're special :D )
I don't think it is very fair to penalize KG2 for frames 1/2. They were trying in their own way to support AH, and that should be taken into consideration. Yes, Esme and KG2 didn't monitor the TOD forum very much. Ok, people make mistakes.
However, that being said, Frame 3 was a different matter. But reading the rules of the TOD, if you are to punish KG2 for frame 3, you'd prolly have to punish half the squads in the TOD, including my squad, as we were 1 short of minimum numbers.
This is just my 2 cents, so take it with a grain of salt. But please, remember that this is a game, and people do have lives outside of Aces High.
Let's be a little forgiving.
Kronos
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Originally posted by Kronos
The CM's did give 2 weeks notice atleast of this event. But still, how many people who attended the TOD's put in asmuch time as Esme and KG2 did into BOB? (Aside from Wotan, Witch and AndyH, they're special :D )
Well unless I was the TOD CO and I had to write the orders those 2 weeks of over lap - All one has to do is get thier orders and show up and fly ( In theory ).
I Flew a Friday TOD that finished past MIDNIGHT My time then showed up less than 12 hrs later to do my CM DUTY for BoB AND flew as a FL for the Axis and was online Sat for the frames for 6 + hours.
Having 24 hrs off between a Frame and the TOD would have been a luxery for me !
Just saying . . .
Jordi
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Nifty, injudicious, yes - because if we had had information on when the TOD was at the same time as we had the info on when BoB would be we could have made an informed decision as to what precisely we wanted to do; fly BoB, fly TOD, or fly both. As was, as I have said several times, we were under the impression that there would be no more TODs until after BoB was over. Therefore, we commited to BoB, those of us that could.
What I am objecting to is that we are being penalised for our inability to attend under the circumstances. One has to be realistic. Sure, only a minority were able to fly BoB - just as only a minority fly TODs. Pardon my lack of understanding of the AH community that I rather expected it to be the same minority that would be interested in both. (shrugs).
Lets put it another way - if the TOD were scheduled as and when it was but squads were NOT penalised for failing to show due to the unusual circumstances of BoB being on, I would be happy. Otherwise, to expect us to happily be sit and told off because we didnt want to commit to another 3 hours of AH on Sundays directly after 6 hours of AH the Saturdays before that we had committed to much further in advance is quite simply unreasonable.
As Kronos has said, this is a game. nevertheless, quite a few of us, especially the CMs, and others of us like unit CO's and folk who volunteer to help out in games with knowledge, organisation, training, etc to try to make them a success, put a lot of time and effort into trying to make things as fun and interesting as possible for as many as possible. I was doing just that in BoB. So was my XO.
If BoB hadn't been on, we'd have been doing our best to help the TOD be as good as it might be. I did in fact offer what advice I could to Kronos regarding Ju88 planning in the frame that he was CO in this TOD, despite being rather "burnt out" at the time. I ended up so burnt out I couldnt even face flying the last two frames of BoB, but I had at least done my bit helping with the planning, selection of KG FLs and what little advice and training we were able to give pilots prior to the frames.
I DID advise that KG2 would not be able to participate in this TOD due to the short notice with us being so heavily involved in BoB, as soon as I realised the situation.
Seems that wasn't enough. Look what it's gotten me; accused of not reading the rules, scolded for not wanting to force myself to play in a TOD I had not expected to happen when it did, wasnt up to flying in and certainly wasnt prepared for. My unit has been accused of not having its act together. Aye, we're so untogether we've won awards. Check http://www.s3events.com Check our numbers in that, and how we fared compared to other bomber units since our inception. It's doubtless because we're so untogether that Wotan asked for me to advise on bomber-related matters, etc. for BoB.
What do you want, blood?!?!
All I'm asking for, for heavens sake, is a little understanding of the situation that we were put in by the scheduling of the TOD. Maybe you dont feel it was inappropriate to time it just then; but if so, then you need to accept that it effectively barred some who had already committed to BoB from attending. Would you have had me break my commitment to BoB just because a TOD was suddenly scheduled for the same time?
Put it the other way around; if TOD had been known about well before BoB, and then two weeks beforehand BoB is announced, would you have wanted folk to abandon TOD just to fly in BoB? Of course not - you'd want them to honour their commitment. Which is what we did. At the time we signed up for BoB, we did NOT know when the next TOD would be. Therefore, I have to repeat that the timing of the TOD was unfortunate, and that to insist that we either fly it or be penalised UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES is grossly unfair. The situation could have been avoided simply by delaying the TODs for a couple of weeks. Players could have been sounded out over the matter. (shrugs)
Yet again, anyone who feels that penalising KG2 under the circumstances is fair is probably not someone I want to fly with, for choice.
I'm sorry, but this situation is of the CM's creation, not mine or my units. Those responsible have, I feel, behaved thoughtlessly, unrealistically and curmudgeonly over this matter. I and my unit can hold our heads high. We will continue to support organised games of any sort, and to help promote the flying of bombers in a more historical manner to the best of our ability. Any unit taking part in TODs wanting advice or help with flight planning for bombers for a game please feel free to contact me, if you wish. I can't promise I'll be able to help, but I will if I can, and/or point you in the direction of other pilots that I think may be able to help with your query. This offer is NOT dependent on KG2's continued participation or otherwise in TOD's.
What is upsetting me the most about this is that I was just training up one of my officers to take over at the helm of the unit operationally, so that I can concentrate on the backroom stuff. I've had my share of leading planes in combat, and I like the planning side - he loves leading in combat, so the new arrangement suits us both. I'd hoped that our next TOD would be his first leading the unit into action. I hope to hell he's still given that chance by the CM's.
Esme
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Jordi - we're a bomber unit, not a flipping fighter unit. Yes, one CAN "just turn up and fly" with bombers, but we in KG2 enjoy flying in a planned and organised way - which is what the TOD's are supposed to be about, unless I'm greatly mistaken? As for orders - what if ones orders show little understanding of how to use buffs well - am I just supposed to be quiet and fly 'em anyway, or offer my CO the benefit of my experience and suggest a better way of doing things? I mean absolutely no disrespect to anyone on this, by the way - there's plenty that a good many people could teach me regarding the deployment of fighter units. I just happen to be that rarer beasty, an experienced bomber pilot, so I don't expect most folks to know how to use 'em as well as they do fighters.
As for flying past midnight, y'might like to check the time that S3's were flown when I was in them. flown. G'wan.... go look at their website. Now note that I live in the UK. Yes, I really DID get up in the middle of the night in order to fly from 1am to 4am on Monday mornings when I had to leave for work at 7am.
And for BoB I had to put many, many hours in creating usable reasonably clear outline maps, in the absence of Glars or Max Overlays maps, before I could even start the actual flight planning side of things, bearing in mind that I had to create information to be distributed to an unknown number of people, and it had to be as clear as I could make it (wasnt good enough, IMO, but time wasnt on my side).
Both the size of the task, the time constraints and the amount of effort required surprised me. BoB was practically a second, and unpaid, job for me. And given the insight it all gave me into the problems of setting up such a game, well - I've always appreciated the effort that CM's put in for us all, but now I do even more so. Tilt and banana had a heck of a lot on their plates, including me getting needlessly stroppy from stressing out, at one point, and they handled it magnificently. ! More power to their elbows.
The contrast with the current situation is pretty startling. I've done everything I could to handle a nigh-on impossible situation as best I could, I've kept the CMs informed, I've helped a side-CO out (tried to help a second, but circumstances prevented, unfortunately), havent even lost my temper, and STILL my unit is getting penalised for a situation not of our making. I just don't understand it.
Esme
Originally posted by jordi
Well unless I was the TOD CO and I had to write the orders those 2 weeks of over lap - All one has to do is get thier orders and show up and fly ( In theory ).
I Flew a Friday TOD that finished past MIDNIGHT My time then showed up less than 12 hrs later to do my CM DUTY for BoB AND flew as a FL for the Axis and was online Sat for the frames for 6 + hours.
Having 24 hrs off between a Frame and the TOD would have been a luxery for me !
Just saying . . .
Jordi
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Im simply speaking up as a fellow squad CO here. I would like to see some virtual handshakes on both sides here, and end this before it gets out of hand.
Maybe Esme made an error, well, I dont know if thats cause to eject them from the next TODs. They seem like a good bunch, committed to organised play in AH, they are also the only organised axis bomber unit that I know of.
As for the CMs, I understand the TOD rules are there for a reason, but enforcing them is still based on circumstance I would think?
Lets not have a big fight over one TOD. Forgive a little, both sides. To me this is already out of hand for what we are talking about in a online sim.
Not my business I guess, but there it is.
Regards.
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Esme-
You said yourself that you couldnt make frame 3 and you didnt know if any of your squaddies would make it. In fact, in corresponding with me before, you stated that you werent sure if you could even field the minimum commitment of 4 pilots. At this point, in an effort to help alleviate any pressure on your squad I told the COs to consider you inactive. Why should they plan on having 4 KG2 pilots there when in actuality none of you were going to show up?
The TOD is all about balance. There is a reason we have attendance rules in place. The Admins and COs are given commitment numbers and then they split the squads up according to those numbers to ensure that the frames are as even as possible. How fair is it to assign your squad to a side and then have a CO write up orders for you and then you not show up? How does that affect the rest of the team that you were supposed to be on? If one squad fails to show up it affects the rest of the side.
My decision to inactivate your squad was based on this. Everybody agreed to the rules when they signed up. I simply cannot allow any squad to break them no matter what the reason. As Daddog has stated above, a number of squads have been deactivated from time to time at their request because they knew they would not be able to meet their commitments. Those guys just grabbed guest slots with other active squads until such time that they were able to meet the guidelines that have been set out for the TOD. As soon as we allow one squad to break the rules, then we may as well not have any rules in the first place.
I think you are taking my actions out of context. My intentions were never to punish you or your squad. I was giving you a chance to get your guys together, make sure everybody is on the same page, and come back in a later TOD once you can meet the requirements. I didnt kick anybody out. You can still fly as guests with any active squad. This was my way of making that suggestion to you. When you feel that you can confidently field the minimum squad requirements for the TOD, let me know and we will activate KG2 immediately. I do have to remind you though, that you may not always get your choice of rides. Squads are expected to switch up and fly for both sides. As far as the bomber preference, I am sure that can prolly be arranged, but you may have to fly Allied iron from time to time in order for the Admin guys to achieve the balance that they need for the event.
If you would like to discuss this further, I ask you to please take it to email mark.todd@charter.net
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NB: I have edited this from my previous version because on reflection, and given how strongly I feel about the issue of fairness in the situation, I do not think it will be best served taken privately at this juncture.
Sling, I've read the rules. I've understood them. I've followed them. I've explained the situation. I've apologised for our non-attendance due to a situation not of our causing. I and my unit have then been scolded, I've been told to read the rules, we've been told to "get our act together" etc. etc. and we've been told we're out of the next TOD due to a situation that wouldnt have arisen if we'd been given as much warning of that TOD as we had of BoB, despite the fact that there is NO reason to believe that we would not attend the next TOD as per the rules. We didnt no-show in that last one on a whim; we no-showed due to insufficient warning of a TOD when we were already fully committed elsewhere.
We all make mistakes, m'dear. Have KG2 erred in this matter? If so, how? We all make unfortunate decisions from time to time. In this we had very little real choice. And sometimes situations arise that mean that rules cannot sensibly be adhered to. Sometimes the rules just don't cover it. I put it to you that irrespective of whether one feels that it was a good idea or not to run TOD when it was run that the TOD rules clearly don't sensibly address the situation that arose with KG2. Applying them so strictly under the circumstances is neither sensible nor just.
OK, NOW I'm willing to go private on the matter. My email is nocturnal@clara.co.uk
Esme
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Was that a big kiss I heard??
I hope so :D
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Originally posted by Gremlin
Was that a big kiss I heard??
I hope so :D
Hope not a sloppy WET one ? ! :)
Jordi
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No, But I'm willing to go so far as a hug if I'm met halfway on this.
(Chuckle...) no serious snogging on a first date, y'know? ;-)
Esme
Oh aye; Sling, I said I didnt know if we could field enough due to the situation, etc. yada, yada. That situation doesn't hold for future TODs, now does it? We have more pilots than we had when we started, and the more unreliable/less committed ones have left. Granted, due to our small size I cant absolutely guarantee we wont occasionally have the odd problem with numbers, but on avergae I am expecting us to be OK. If I've misinterpreted your intent with the suspension, you've certainly misunderstood why we couldnt field sufficient pilots for the last TOD. Looking forward to getting this sorted out amicably.