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Tour 31 (http://www.users.qwest.net/~stainesdavidwbon/webs/Tour31/Tour31.htm)
Enjoy!
AKDejaVu
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Thanks AKDejaVu.
Seems the Spitfire Mk IX is back in the #1 slot.
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Seems so.
And, uhm... Spit V and IX total 14% of the kills made in the MA. Add in the Seafire and that's a lot of Spit icons killing in the MA.
:D
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Great set of stats AKDejavu, appreciate the work that went into it. Really liked being able to go to individual ac and see how each fared.
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thx DEJA-
WTG D11 drivers:D
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Which non-perk has the highest K/D?
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moot,
Fw190D-9 at 1.654 kills per death.
That is better that the perked F4U-4 (1.612), Ta152H-1 (1.435) and Spitfire Mk XIV (1.404) managed to achieve.
It seems to me that being able to run (Me262A-1 (4.009), Tempest Mk V (3.622)) or being anonymous (F4U-1C (2.108)) is the way that perk planes achieve high K/D ratios.
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The Chog gets it's kill ratio because it's flown like a perk plane, without having the gangbang tags. Evidence IMO that any perk plane with a k/d ratio of less than 2 to 1 has something wrong with it. If a fighter which has no serious performance advantage, it shouldn't manage a k/d ratio that far above the other perk planes.
Pick a free plane. Now perk it. Now watch it's k/d go through the roof.
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Cool. A JV44 paint would make perfect.
The charts are jargbled on my browser, is there a fix?
Thanks Déja-vu.
Maybe next tour I try to make a respectable Ta152 performance.
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Great stats as always, and thanks again as always. Lesson seems to be if you want better than even odds against other fighters, don't fly navy fighters or attack birds.
And look at that P-47D-11. Time to perk it.
:rolleyes:
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planes arent perked based on performance. Ofcourse folks will fly a perk plane less reckless then a non-perk plane. Folks up at capped/vulched fields, the chase nme through ack. They do all sorts of things that contribute to them dieing that they would not do in a perk plane.
But given yours and karnaks arguement about perk icons you would think , give your assumptions, that perk planes would be getting gangbanged all over the place.
You are reching to try a back up your arguement. Its 100% clear that you are wrong. If perk planes are gangbanged because of their icon, more so then any other planes in ah then their k/d would show it. The facts are that perk planes always have a high k/d.
Just a bunch double talk.
HT has said planes arent perked based on performance alone. I dont know why you cant grasp that.
Look at the spit 9s k/d. Its mediocre and its still the plane with the most kills in ah. Same with the 51. Unperk the f4u-4 and its k/d goes down but its percentage of kills sky rockets. This is why the chog was perked. It got 20% of the kills in the main. Its impact was such that (even with a modest k/d) that ht decided to perk it.
Not one of the unperked most used planes in ah reach chog levels. The d9 gets less then 5 % of the kills in the main. My squad alone gets a messurable percentage of these kills. Last tour heinkels k/d in the 190d9 was 33 to 1 last time I checked.
Perk planes are also flown by guys who dont have much time in those planes. So they are unsure of its capabilities. That helps hold the k/d down.
The perk system works.
The chog at 8 perks more a percentage of kills the the 109g6, the by far most produced variant of the 109g in real life. There were what 300 chogs produced.
The rest of the perk planes each get .5 % or lower of the kills in ah.
Add umm up thats still 8000 kills. Thats more then they would get in an RPS and its a decent amount of kills given their rarity in real life. Lowering the perk values may increase their usage but their usage seems about right. They are used kill more then they would under an rps but dont impact the main.
They are there if you want to use them.
Again the perk system works.
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Thanks Deja
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Wotan, I don't care about costs, the perked planes are perked and should remain so.
It's just an example of what one plane can do, when planes which are needlessly crippled, but should perform better, fail to reach that level.
Again, Like I am forced to replay to you every time, since you apparently havn't read a single word I've written. THE PERK COSTS ARE FINE. The gangbang tags are the problem. And yes, any plane with gangbang tags will be singled out in a fight. The only survivable way to fly them is to stay above everyone else.
If you change the F4U-1C tag from F4U to F4U1C, it's k/d ratio will go down fast. The F4U-1C is an example of what happens when a good plane gets perked. The same effect would happen with the p51d, 190d, la7, etc. All three of which I'd be willing to bet(perhaps with the exception of the la7 which would have gangbang tags) would get a k/d ratio above the f4u4, spit14, or ta152.
Your argument about pilots without much time in them flying the f4u4 and spit14 does hold some water though. Most of the people who have spent any time in them know the problems of being gangbanged in them, and the lack of fun of having to spend the time to get enough alt to be safe.
So basicly, your argument comes down to "People don't gangbang perk planes." Perhaps you havn't flown an f4u4 near a furball recently.
The prices are right. Perhaps even too low, as it stands now I can fly an f4u4 for a whole tour. The problem is that people DO lock onto the tags. People WILL dive from 20000feet to kill a perk plane when there are plenty of other targets around. Remove the perk tags.
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Coming off topic now, but speaking of perk icons, the icon system as a whole would be a better improvement to make.
Mentionned was the idea to have progressive icons, for example increasing model info as you get closer, or something like wwiiol's SA-dependent icons, or systems to replace range with closure rate, etc.
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If the page comes out garbled, hit reload and it should clear up.
AKDejaVu
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Wotan said:
"Lalalalalalalalala. I won't listen to what people are saying and I'll just keep stating this argument that has absolutely nothing to do with anything and claim that I have refuted them. Lalalalalalalala"
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the stats prove you both wrong. Perks still out preform the other planes.
You both want to hide behind a icon.
Its the same as that guy who quit ah because he said c47s kept trying to ram his goon.
Every where I go in the main folks are trying to kill me. Perked or unperked its all the same.
But given yours and karnaks arguement about perk icons you would think , give your assumptions, that perk planes would be getting gangbanged all over the place.
I addressed your point and the stats prove you wrong. You thenm rationalize this with "well people fly perks differently so there k/d is high" of course they do but they also fly non-perks more reckless.
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Originally posted by Innominate
People WILL dive from 20000feet to kill a perk plane when there are plenty of other targets around. Remove the perk tags.
I will dive from 20,000ft to kill a spit/la7/nik...and sometimes a p51. I like the tags:D
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Wotan, stop cut and pasting replies, and try reading the post.
The 190D9 had a better k/d than the f4u4. The current F4U-4 k/d ratio is less than 1.0.
Do I want to hide behind the tags? Of course.
I want to hide behind the tags the same as the spit9, the 109(pick a model), the dora, the same as the chog, the fm2, etc.
"If you remove the perk tags, then you'll have to treat every plane as if it were really plane X!"
We already have to do this with the 190s, 109s, and spitfires. Having to do it with one more RARE spit, or one more RARE f4u is little different.
They SHOULD be perked, they SHOULD be rare, they SHOULD be fun to fly.
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Wotan,
The stats do no such thing.
For the stats to do such a thing the more expensive the perk plane was, the higher it's K/D ratio would be given that perk price is determined by capability. That simply is not the case. At the very least the perk planes should all be at the very top of the K/D ratio chart, which they are not.
Me 262: 4.009
Tempest: 3.622
F4U-1C: 2.108
Fw 190D-9: 1.654
F4U-4: 1.612
P-47D-11: 1.541
Ta 152H: 1.435
Spitfire Mk XIV: 1.404
If your claim were true the K/D ratio order would usually be something like this:
Me262
Tempest
Spitfire Mk XIV
F4U-4
Ta152H-1
F4U-1C
Fw190D-9
Ect, ect.
But it has never been.
Now, the P-47D-11 is flown by a small group of skilled players so its numbers are low, and its K/D ratio is easily inflated just like the Ki-61's in past Tours.
The Fw190D-9 and Ta152H-1 give us a much better argument. The Fw190D-9 is flown often enough to weed out too much effect by a few very skilled individuals, further, those same skilled individuals are the most likely pilots of the Ta152H-1. Despite this, and despite the Ta152H-1's perk price which should act as incentive to live, the Fw190D-9 handily bests it in terms of K/D ratio.
A point which strengthens the anonymity being useful to a perk plane's survival is the F4U-1C. Nobody would reasonably argue that the F4U-1C is more survivable than the F4U-4, Spitfire Mk XIV ot Ta152H-1 due to its performance. Yet it has both significantly higher usage (something that normally drives down K/D ratios as more average pilots use it) and a higher K/D ratio. Why?
Your posts do not explain any of this.
My first explaination did, and still does. You have not posted anything that contradicts or invalidates my statements.
Obviously people in perk planes will try to stay alive more than people in free planes, and due to this perk planes will always be in the top 10 as far as K/D ratios go.
Don't you find it curious that the three perk planes with the lowest K/D ratio, even being bested by free planes, happen to be the three that are both tagged as perk planes and slower than many of the free fighters?
Or do you simply chalk it up to players who like the F4U-4, Ta152H-1 and Spitfire Mk XIV being less skilled?
That answer is simply to pat for me to believe.
(Note: I do not think that any perk planes should be unperked. Any argument in regards to that is irrelevant when directed at me as I have never argued for it)
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perk values arent assigned based on performance, ht said that. So your whole premise is wrong to start with.
So if you expect because a plane has a perk value it should automatically be great planes or that its performance should match its perk value then you are wrong.
But the fact is, if I take your claim as to gangbang tags, that this gangbanging ought be be reflected in the k/d. Its not perk planes perform above most other planes. Even when "gangbanged"
Yes they are flown more cautiously, but non-perk rides are flown equally more reckless. So this pretty much offsets. You also have guys who have no significant time in any of the perk planes getting ito one thinking like you do. That perk value is related performance. They enter the fight and realize it aint the plane, its the pilot.
Inomin8 says that the reason the chog has a 2 to 1k/d is because its perk tag is hidden. It may help but I would bet the hispanos are more to do with it. The chog when it got got 20% of the kills had an above average k/d. It was the most flown plane in any game I have played. It doesnt perform better then the dhog it just has them hizookas.
The chog still kills way more then the other perks even at a value of 8 (or is it 10?). But folks realized that the dhog (with the exception of the hispanos) was as capable as the chog. We got the f6f, f4u-1 and fm2 and f4f.
Ofcourse guys chase a perk tag, but each plane was designed and flown in a certain way. If you think because a 262 is 200 perks that you can furball with it (after if its 200 perk its got to be a great plane) you would be wrong. The fm matters and the way you fly it matters. If not we can go play fa3.
Folks are flying perk planes, they are getting kills and they are surviving. If you argue "they dont get used enough" then that flies in the face of why they are perked to begin with. That is to minimize their usage.
I think their usage is fine. They are used more then they would be in an rps and arent used enough to impact the main. A perfect match imho.
The perk system works.
Whether or not you have fun in it is up to you. If you are saying you cant have fun because people are trying to kill you then dont fly it. People try to kill me no matter what plane I am in.
You want to be able to hide your plane behind the icon tag so you can sneak up on folks. Instead of taking the plane up and just having fun with it you worry about its perk value as if perk themselves had any value. You loose umm, you get more.
HT has it right the perk system works well.
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also comparing the d9 to anything will give you skewed results. My squad mate heinkel had a k/d of 33 to 1. Check just my squads stats in the d9 we hold k/d way higher then the overall average. Does this mean we are great or the d9 itself is great, no it means we fly it to its capabilities.
The d11 is flown by a squad of great pilots who fly the plane to its limits as well.
The difference between an f4u-4 and the chog, the chogs 8 points and has 4 hizookas.
Reducing the cost of the f4u-4 would get it used more but its usage is fine.
So much for your logic..........
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(Note: I do not think that any perk planes should be unperked. Any argument in regards to that is irrelevant when directed at me as I have never argued for it)
Wotan,
I thought I had made the point. I do fly aircraft with high ENY values and I do kill aircraft with low ENY values. This is an idiotic point you seem to think you're using against me. It is all moot and doesn't matter as I can fly any aircraft in the game, I just don't see the point of perk planes other than the Me262 and F4U-1C.
Dont lie to me karnak, you never said this? :rolleyes:
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He didn't mean they shouldnt be perked, he meant that he doesn't see the point in flying them.
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Karnak can tell me what he meant
I just don't see the point of perk planes other than the Me262 and F4U-1C.
It could also mean any point in having them altogether. Since I dont see that he flew the chog in a long time it tends to support me. But he can tell me.
Dont give him any ideas let him think up his own rationale as to what he meant.
I do fly aircraft with high ENY values and I do kill aircraft with low ENY values. This is an idiotic point you seem to think you're using against me.
I checked this statement as well he didnt kill very many lo eny planes either. So who knows what the hell he meant.
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Ah so this is why the perk system is so much better than an RPS..I mean look everyone agree's with the way it works :rolleyes:
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thx Deja love ur work
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This is why the chog was perked. It got 20% of the kills in the main. Its impact was such that (even with a modest k/d) that ht decided to perk it.
and And look at that P-47D-11. Time to perk it.
I think one of the things that needs to be understood is that the AH subscribership contains a large proportion of turkey shooters whose primary ACM strategy is the HO. I can well imagine that if the C-Hog was unperked, every second plane would be a C-Hog. When perked, an unskilled player wont fly it - probably because he doesn't have the skill to rack up enough perk points, so he'll fly a N1K or LA7 instead. These guys rarely RTB. By perking the C-Hog, it ensures that the turkey shooters will go elsewhere, leaving the C-Hog to be flown properly, by guys like me. :D:D:D:D:D
The P47 (any of them) is another good example of a plane against which the HO is inadvisable. The P47 will win most of the time.
Keep the perk system to stop the arena filling with Tempests/262s, but I do feel that most perk planes are outrageously overvalued. The C-Hog is the only one worth paying for.
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Originally posted by beet1e
The P47 (any of them) is another good example of a plane against which the HO is inadvisable. The P47 will win most of the time.
Revvin--
on this note of your post. That just is not true. The difference in a HO, is the guy that shoots the best and the fastest. Sure against a 202 or a hurri 1, the P-47 has the best odds. But agaisnt a 190, 109, etc.. its down to the pilot and luck.
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Ok wotan, let me sum it up in two lines.
If you fly an F4U-4 carefully, you will do fairly well, you will get kills, and you will get home.
If you fly a p51d, a dora, an A-5, ANYTHING, as if it were a perk plane, you will do BETTER than in the f4u4.
This is because of the gangbang tags. Do you not agree with this?
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Ammo you're quoting Beet1e there
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Revvin, I am sorry:) Its early for me on a Saturday morning and I havemn't had my coffee yet. Thats my excuse.
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People try to kill me no matter what plane I am in.
Well I read this whole thread . I likes this quote the best .
Thanks for the info AKDejaVu , I thought that me flying the 109g10 most of last tour the kills stats for that plane would be alot better :D proves I don't know shat don't it ? hehe
spro
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:)
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Ammo! You seem to be talking of the HO as a legitimate ACM. :eek: I try to avoid HOs if I can, but sometimes if I'm cornered I will do it. You are right about what you said, but I stand by what I said. The P47 will normally win the HO because the instigator of the HO will very likely be a N1K/LA7 dweeb, and not a 190 driver. I had one yesterday - was in a P47D-30, and had dropped my ord to destroy a VH. Along comes an LA7 dweeb, I zoomed above him, and he does an LA7 style "e-bleeding-flat-turn-then-zoom-up-because-LA7s-don't-lose-e-and-gravity-does-not-apply-to-them" manoeuvre. I was down to 100mph at the top of a stall turn, so when I saw the guy coming up at me, and with very few alternatives, I let him have it with all eight barrels. He got my engine, but I landed safely. He was blown to bits.
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Wotan,
Urchin understood at least part what I said. I also was implying that the perk system does not work as an encouragement to use rarer aircraft as it isn't seen as a reward. In no sense did I mean that perked aircraft should be unperked.
None of your replies have been at all accurate in regards to what I was saying. Given our lack of communication on this subject I think it best to cease this debate for both of us.
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But karnak,
Perk prices arent based on performance!!! Unperking the perk planes would be bad!!
:D :D :D :D :D :rolleyes:
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I like the tags.. I think every plane should be identified for what it really is. that goes for all the spits and 109/`190's and the hogs. Same for P51's and f4f's and zekes. Why should someone in a superior plane be able to hide behind an icon?
I don't get it... why would a plane with a better than 2/1 kill ratio need to hide?
lazs
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The Fw190D-9 and Ta152H-1 give us a much better argument. The Fw190D-9 is flown often enough to weed out too much effect by a few very skilled individuals, further, those same skilled individuals are the most likely pilots of the Ta152H-1. Despite this, and despite the Ta152H-1's perk price which should act as incentive to live, the Fw190D-9 handily bests it in terms of K/D ratio.
This is a total assumption based on bias.
I did a quick scan of a squad that got about 9% of 190D kills, they also got about 8% of 152 kills... they were more successfull in the 152, though not by a wide margin.
Seems that's pretty much the case... the Ta-152 is not much better than the Dora... so why buy the perk plane? Most would rather save their perks for an Me262 than waste them on the lesser planes. (Stats do show that)
As for the icon argument... it seems pretty silly... especially for the Ta 152. What should it be labeled... a 190? Its not a 190... its not based on any other aircraft in the MA. Perhaps the same cannot be said of the Spit XIV, but then... you aren't trying to argue that its just barely better than the Spit IX are you? Cause I'll find that incredibly funny if you are.
AKDejaVu
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Argue away. In my few sorties in a Tempest I've learned that there is indeed a billboard above my a/c that says..
TEMPEST HERE !!
I'm happy to say that 85% of the nearby cons can read :D
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"I don't get it... why would a plane with a better than 2/1 kill ratio need to hide? "
You know why Lazs, and so do I :) I agree with you on the ICON thing; I wish they all showed subtypes.
Funny thing is, regardless of what the "ICON mafia" complains about, I still manage to get ganged up on plenty in a P-51. I disagree that perk planes get ganged up on substantially more than non-perk planes. Why do I disagree? It is NOT possible for me to get ganged up on more than I already do; if I fly a perk plane I see NO difference, nor do I see friendlies in perk planes attracting any more enemies than they would in a non-perk plane in the same situation (read: low and slow you will attract crowds regardless of what you fly). Any enemy that thinks it can kill me, attacks me......any enemy that doesn't think it can kill me ignores me. Pilot SA and crowd control ability are a huge requirement if you want to land ANY flight; it just becomes more important when you stand to lose a fair chunk of PP's.
In the MA, people attack what they can kill. If 3 friendlies are near 1 disadvantaged enemy, then usually they'll all gang up on that one enemy. It doesn't matter whether the enemy is a 152 or a 202; the gang will still happen. I will tell you right now, I can better avoid a gang in a Spit 14 or Tempest or 152 than I can in a 202 or a P-40 or a Spit or N1K, and I don't see any 202 or N1K pilots complaining about their ICONs.
J_A_B
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Nobody ever said free planes don't get gangbanged. In a 5 on 1, any plane will get gangbanged. In a 5 on 5, the perk plane will almost always get ganged, making it's only real use dragging so the others can get easy kills. A free plane that looks like an easy kill will get ganged. A perk plane will get ganged whenever possible.
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yup they are all out get you and little perk plane too.. :rolleyes:
sounds just like the guy who quit because c47s kept trying to ram his 262....
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Originally posted by Wotan
yup they are all out get you and little perk plane too.. :rolleyes:
sounds just like the guy who quit because c47s kept trying to ram his 262....
Are you just cut and pasting your old posts to see if anyone notices? Do you have any arguments that are relavent to anything I've said, or just "Perk planes aren't perked based on thier performance"?
Or are you denying that people gangbang perk tagged planes whenever they see one that they can point thier nose at?
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I am saying that folks get gangbanged not matter plane they are in. I am saying that if you think that perk planes are so much more ganged banged then others that their k/d doesnt prove it, or 2 they are just that much better then then the unperked planes and are justified being perked at their current values.
The "perk planes are gangbanged because of their icons" arguement is so weak its laughable, in the same sense that that the guy who claimed c47s kept trying to ram his 262 is.
Let me quote AKDejavu:
As for the icon argument... it seems pretty silly
So if you are going to paste the same silly claim about icons I can do the same with my points.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Ammo! You seem to be talking of the HO as a legitimate ACM. :eek: I try to avoid HOs if I can, but sometimes if I'm cornered I will do it. You are right about what you said, but I stand by what I said. The P47 will normally win the HO because the instigator of the HO will very likely be a N1K/LA7 dweeb, and not a 190 driver. I had one yesterday - was in a P47D-30, and had dropped my ord to destroy a VH. Along comes an LA7 dweeb, I zoomed above him, and he does an LA7 style "e-bleeding-flat-turn-then-zoom-up-because-LA7s-don't-lose-e-and-gravity-does-not-apply-to-them" manoeuvre. I was down to 100mph at the top of a stall turn, so when I saw the guy coming up at me, and with very few alternatives, I let him have it with all eight barrels. He got my engine, but I landed safely. He was blown to bits.
Well, yes and no to the first comment:) I treat a bandit that is merging with me differently, dependant on his actions. If he is goin to try and avoid the HO, but I have the right speed and conditions, I will pull for the shot. Some people will call that a HO, I call it pulling lead turn on an oncoming bandit. If the bandit is aiming for me in the merge, I will avoid the HO, unless I am hopelessly outnumbered with not many options in my low and slow P-47, then I take the 50/50 gamble and HO. And as you alluded too, you enemy AC type plays a role as well. I dont HO with cannon birds unless the situation meets the above criteria.
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Originally posted by Wotan
The "perk planes are gangbanged because of their icons" arguement is so weak its laughable, in the same sense that that the guy who claimed c47s kept trying to ram his 262 is.
Again, you bring up perk costs, an area where there is no argument.
According to you, people treat perk icons the same as free icons, this is simply not true. YOU might not, but the majority of players do.
If you put any plane into a situation where a large number of enemies see an easy target, you will be gangbanged. The difference between the free and perk planes is that, to most people, a perk tag is something worth going after even at a disadvantage. If people see two targets next to each other, one of which has a perk tag they will target the perk tag every time. If you fly into an area where there are an equal number of friends and enemies, you might pick up one or two, but for the most part you dont have to worry about being attacked by EVERYONE who can point thier nose at you.
Anyways, If the f4u4's icon isn't a handicap, then there is no reason NOT to remove it.
The reason the f4u4's have a kill ratio that isn't horrid is that they ARE perked. They're flown so as to keep people from being able to point thier noses at them(i.e. 5000feet above the fight) If you perked any plane it would be flown like that, and get a perk-comparable kill ratio. The reason the F4U-1C has a better kill ratio isn't that it's a better plane, or that it's cheaper. It's because people fly it like a perk plane, AND because it lacks the handicap of a gangbang tag.
Try flying a few sorties in the F4U-4 wotan, then come back.
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"a perk tag is something worth going after even at a disadvantage. "
Why is this a bad thing? I WANT people to do stupid things; it makes them easier to kill. If that 109 or LA7 or Spit or whatever that's under me wants climb up in a vain attempt to hose me from 1.1K only to stall and give me an easy kill, that's fine by me!
Maybe I have a different flying style than you do Innomin8. I almost always fly alone and it doesn't bother me if I have 4 or 5 enemies fixated on me. For ME there is literally no difference between flying an F4U-4 or an unperked plane, except when I was in the F4U-4 I had a much easier time pulling off "close" maneuvers. I don't worry about who the enemy is attacking, only what their position and E-state is relative to me.
The worst thing about the F4U-4 is the poor 6-view which necessitates making gentle turns to check your 6. Otherwise it's like a P-51 on steroids--faster, better climb, better maneuverability, tougher and more bullets. Oh, and it's hard to land because it likes to groundloop :mad:
The Perk ICONS are a necessity. Players deserve to know what they're fighting against, especially if they're fighting against something not commonly available and that likely has superior performance. I don't think very many players really want to treat every Spit as if it's a 14, or every Tiffie as if it could be a TEMP. Dealing with the 109's is ebough trouble, and at least they're all free.
Also note that the perk planes with the special tags are those that truly do have some superior performance aspect (the F4U-4 IS superior, perhaps not so dominating as a TEMP but it IS an awesome airplane). The F4U-1C has a perfectly normal tag. If HTC were to add some other perk plane with unspectacular performance, I'd bet you it'd have a normal tag too.
Personally, I think every plane should have a unique ICON, whether at all ranges or at close range only. First of all we can't see as well in AH as you can IRL. Second, not very many Bf-109E's flew frontline combat alongside Bf-109G-10's.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by J_A_B
The Perk ICONS are a necessity. Players deserve to know what they're fighting against, especially if they're fighting against something not commonly available and that likely has superior performance. I don't think very many players really want to treat every Spit as if it's a 14, or every Tiffie as if it could be a TEMP. Dealing with the 109's is ebough trouble, and at least they're all free.
Personally, I think every plane should have a unique ICON, whether at all ranges or at close range only. First of all we can't see as well in AH as you can IRL. Second, not very many Bf-109E's flew frontline combat alongside Bf-109G-10's.
J_A_B
At least you read my post. :P You make good points about the F4U-4, which I can't argue with. It IS an excellent plane.
IMO, the icon system should be consistant, either way. Either you should never see the exact model. or you could always see it. The perk planes shouldn't get "special" tags. The same argument that applies to knowing that you're facing a perk plane also applies to the spitV vs the SpitIX, the various 109s, and the 190s, and the F4Us. If the perk planes keep thier tags EVERY plane should have tags marking the exact model. Having every plane marked with thier exact model would make the perk tags stand out less in a crowd, while still letting you know what you're up against.
Obviously I'd prefer less information instead of more, but thats just me.