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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Sundog on September 07, 2002, 11:47:28 PM
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Man,
I am still shaking from the fights we had tonight!!! Some of the best fights I have had in a long time. The one caveat is, between Vals (Which out turn Hurri's) and the 109E's that out run us, we have no defence in the Hurri. Hey, I'm entitled to a little whine to go with my cheese every now and then :D .
It really was a blast though. I have to go watch the film with trails on...super spaghetti! :) I actually lit up alot of 109's, but I think they already knew I was there ;) ::: ping, ping, ping ::: "Vee know you are 'dere, quit szthrowing peebles zat us!" :D
Actually, I was surprised at how much damage the Hurricane could take. That is one tough bird. But the cannon hits still sounded Nasty.
BTW, weren't there any Martlets (F4F's) up there at the time? Or didn't Britain get those until later? Just curious :)
I'm bringing more Hurri's with me next time :p
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I think the Martletts might have come in later. They were deployed off carriers in defense of the Murmansk convoys, for example. So Norway is probably a little early.
Allies already have those uber Dauntlesses (that's a nasty weapon in the right hands)--they don't need any additional firepower!
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Speaking of uber vs the hurri. Can the next ct setup be something like "the fall of the ijn". Where we have f4u4s and f6fs, and the ijn are scraping the bottom of the barrel for a single land base of nikis and kis?
I thought since we allied types have to suffer these off balance early war scenarios that occasionally a bone should be thrown where we could enjoy the advantage. Never seems to happen. Did the war ever end? Did somebody win? Did the US navy ever fly? Did the F6f ever exist?
As far as the limited planeset of the pacific. whatever. The ki-84 and nik2 suffered from terrible materials and construction, so missing them isnt all too terrible. If we have to suffer through a week of a planeset where somebody has to utter the line "Man those sbds are sure good fighters" then we deserve to have a late war spank the ijn scenario.
Now that is just a little concensus opinion of my squad (or mostly concensus). I actually like the hurri 1 vs 109e4, but thats only cause those silly 109 pilots like to come down and turn fight with us. If they all behaved the way they were supposed to, nobody would be flying in this setup.
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I second that motion....
CIU
VF-27 Hellcats
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Hmm I've seen the same comment posted about the Val that didn't seem to bother you.:D
Yes you guys suffered so much last week, you had bombers that could fly higher than the only decent interceptor(FW-190A8), except for the 262 could operate. No problem realistic enough, you guys got Sabre to perk the 262 because you were so sure it would be abused, and wasn't it funny that the day it got perked the scores finally got changed too so nobody had any perks to spend on 262s . So basically you got to team the two largest CT squads together, in a mass B-17 formation, with P-51 escorts, up above 28K where the only thing going to get at you is a 109G10. Thats of course if the guy just goes with the clean plane, if he took the R6 cannon pakage or the rockets he was slowed enough to be nothing but Pony bait. Then if he did get near the bombers, all that defensive fire made short work of him. The you guys instead of being gracious wiinners post crap about how all the Axis guys better watch out for VF-27. Well your right, but while your beating your chest in victory remember, most setups you have an advantage in aircraft performance, and now your teaming up with 880 FAA you have a numbers advantage.
I see how hard you've had it and I do feel your pain.....................
roadkillE!
If you want a PTO with F6F's and Corsairs hell yeah why not!!
However you want the Axis to have one base so you can have a cake walk?? LOL
Cmon Erg!!
I got an idea, lets do it just like you said, but lets not give the Axis any ammo, and lets chain the Axis planes to a pole so they can do anything but fly in a circle and let you kill them. Will that be enough for you?
You don't want to fly the Hurri against the 109E? Okay I don't really blame you, because to me it's like the A26M vs the F4F, I don't like it but what the hell I'll fly it. If I made a complint about it, you would reply what a great plane the A6m2 is!!
Well man I gotta tell you that Hurri I is a great plane, turns on a dime, and man can it take the punishment. also maybe next PTO when there are P-47s we should perk those because they fly higher faster and have much more firepower than our Zekes, and well thats not fair!!!
LOL give me a break, you know every now and then theres a set-up you don't have all the cards.
If you want a game you can win each and every time some box sims have a menu where you can actually have unlimited ammo, and the enemy can't hurt your plane. You know try flying Axis a month, then see if you still still think your post is valid. I can tell you one thing flying Axis you learn real quick how good your not.
I did in a damn hurry. I'll admit the Axis have an advantage this week, but it's not a turkey shoot .In the meantime you seem to be totaly ignorant of the advantages you have most scenarios, and you want more advantages?
People play to win, that I understand, but winning with no competetion is not winning,, it's called masturbation.
So don't be a Jack off!!:rolleyes:
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Can the next ct setup be something like "the fall of the ijn". Where we have f4u4s and f6fs, and the ijn are scraping the bottom of the barrel for a single land base of nikis and kis?
Been there done that. The CHog was thrown in to "add some depth to the allied planeset" as I recall.
I actually like the hurri 1 vs 109e4, but thats only cause those silly 109 pilots like to come down and turn fight with us.
The VF-27th is a good bunch of sticks. Were the situtation reversed I'm sure you would not make the mistake of blowing your E and getting caught low and slow. So therefore it follows that the VF-27th will not blow their E and turn fight with the Nikis and Zekes in your proposed setup thus resulting in...
If they all behaved the way they were supposed to, nobody would be flying in this setup.
Nobody on the Axis side to play with.
That said, as long as the CT runs and I have an account I will spend some time there each week. When I'm on I will continue to check the roster and switch to side with the lowest number regardless of the planeset.
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Originally posted by ergRTC
Speaking of uber vs the hurri. Can the next ct setup be something like "the fall of the ijn". Where we have f4u4s and f6fs, and the ijn are scraping the bottom of the barrel for a single land base of nikis and kis?
You are kidding, right?
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Wow, you guys are sensitive. It was a joke. You are very perceptive oboe!
As far as advantage vs axis allied, you have got to be kidding me. The 'spank the ijn' (didnt that tip you off to the joke?) scenario was just a little satire on the scenarios we get.
lowe dont you even dare pull that high horse crap! You would whine along with the rest of us when it was just our f6fs vs the luftwaffles when you were in the vf-27.
Also, I dont know which world you fly in, but the a6m2 climbs, dives, and handles better than the f4f and yes is faster at almost every alt but on the absolute sea level. Did I mention it climbs much much better? It also has cannons. not many shells, but the cannons are there.
As far as the 262 perks go, I thought you guys just stopped flying them because they were boring.
The reason for this post? What do the axis squads think this setup would look like like reversed? You have 3 planes we have four. But you have to choose planes that are slow, dont climb well, and cant carry more than 2k of eggs.
I dont even think the axis have them in the hangar, besides the val. Lets say its the end of the war and you are straggling on the eastern front. You only have the old 109f4s, and 190a8s but the russians have yak9us and la7s.
This is a historical match up, thats why i personnally dont mind it (others do). The hurri is also like a go-cart with guns and a bad motor (fun fun fun just dont try to race it).
Here is my suggestion of a match up equal to this one, but reversed and later in the war, and where I like to fight. I would like to hear what you guys think would be equivelant to the current ct setup.
Pacific: Mainland japan (allied only have carriers and maybe a couple of land bases)
allied:
f6f
f4f
f4u of all models even the f4u4
fm2
tbm
sbd
axis:
a6m2
a6m5b
nik2 land
ki-61 land
ki-67
vals
Hows that sound? Sounds good to me.
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Hell I like the LW vs the USN! When I was USN I did anyway, yeah the Dora gave us hell, but everything else was a good fight.
The reason we lost to the Luftwaffe was we made mistakes, once we ironed those out which was the time the Perdonia or however you spell it map came out we pretty much rocked on the LW in F6s, and F4U's.
Your late war set up sounds good to me. The Allies should have a couple of land bases to represent Iwo Jima, and Okinawa.
If you want to know what world I fly in, come fly Axis for a while, I'm not talking a couple of hops, I'm talking commit to it for a month or so, you may change your opinion.
Don't give me grief about high horses, I'm not on one. I just caught your whine. Your pissed because you don't have an advantage this week, just like the last N Africa setup when you were tired of dodging 109fs. So don't try and pass it off as you were joking.
What would this set up look like in reverse?
Hmm the first Burma ?
Ij
A6m2
D3A's
Ki-67s
Allies
P-40B
F4F
Hurri
Boston
Or maybe the Solomons?
Ij
A6m2
D3A
Ki67
Allies
P-40E
F4F
Sbd
Tbf
Boston
Yes I don't like the a6m2 I make no bones about it, to me the F4F is an all around better plane. That's my opinion, and yes if your thinking I suck in it your right.
Oh yeah the 262 is boring for me but the guys wanting one that maybe could have helped couldnt get them.
Your turn Erg fire away!
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HOLY CRAP Lowe! I thought it was a joke.. Whos squeakin? I personally like almost all of the setups (with the except of that russian thing...)... I feel like the toilet exploded underneath me....
I wasnt beating my chest... I got no chest to beat.
CIU
VF-27 Hellcats.
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What Lowe said!!!!!!
I am new to AH and I have had a very rude but not surprised awakining with the German Iron and IJN/A aircraft flight models.
The 109s (read between the lines please) wont do anything and can barely out climb the "slow" Hurri. The Val turns like a zeke but yet can barely out turn the spit and Hurri. In the main arena I had a very hard time out turning the F4F, spit and Hurri in the A6M.
I think it is rather funny that you allied dweebs are laughing at some of these 109 pilots for turn fighting with you as a matter of fact when it comes time for the late plane sets, I caint find anyone to turn fight me in a zeke. All you P-51 etc drivers B&Z. At least us 109 guys will try to give you a fight even though we know if we turn we will die. Not only that but I have discovered that the German Iron caint really even out climb, dive, turn any damn thing in AH on an equal plane set.
Correct me if I am wrong but were the hell is the A6M3, and 109E, better yet the KI-84 and KI-45? Does the 109E not turn very well? I have yet to get anyone off my six while flying a 109. Grant it I suck with G-Iron anyway.
I dont think I will repeat myself so go to the AGW board and search my posts and replys on this matter for the past four years under --ww--.
I made my points as well as an bellybutton out of myself many many times.
Cheers!!!!!
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Hopefully we'll get the Ki-84-Ia next version. That'll significantly lower the amount of room the Allies have to screw up in and still live.
The Japanese built 3,500 Ki-84s, of wich more than 3,000 were Ki-84-Ias. It was in service before the P-51D, and the initial batches were reasonably reliable.
Hell, the Allies don't have to deal with mechanical problems on the POS P-40s in the early war setups, why should the Japanese have to deal with mechanical problems on the Ki-84 is late war setups?
(There are examples of P-40 missions where 50% of the P-40s didn't make it to the mission area due to malfuncioning engines. A6M2s on the other hand were very reliable aircraft)
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Lol, none of it really matters to me anymore I guess... since I already gave up and quit the game a couple weeks ago :p .
Maybe I'll make it back in soon... maybe in two weeks, lol :rolleyes: maybe...
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Originally posted by Löwe
... you guys got Sabre to perk the 262 because you were so sure it would be abused, and wasn't it funny that the day it got perked the scores finally got changed too so nobody had any perks to spend on 262s .
5 perks was collected in 2-3 sorties. :rolleyes: Such cost is only a small handicap not more.
BTW, I do not like current setup :(
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So the worm turns huh LOwe? hehe You know how it is dont try to fool me I saw you drinkin stag beer at the con. Thaks for the Two best squads comment, I gusess 3 88o piots make up a whole squad with the Hellcats, anyway guess we are doin our job if we are pissing you off lol, think you told me once that is what you are suppose to do,screw with the opponents, hey are we having fun yet? I am hoipe you are too! By the way Blue dont quit just leave the dark side, thought youliked the Zeke and Zero you always kicked my butt in it! Whewwweeee what a party, break out the beer!
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Oh ya Lowe and the statements about VF27 kickin butt, did you read that carefully, suggest you read it again think maybe you took things out of context, again!
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Holy cats! Break out the BBQ!
This is turning into a Cat-9 flamefest. I only wish we had a CT setup with F6F-5s vs Ki-61s, so we could take it online....
BTW guys, Jaekart has resigned from 27th and quit AH due to framerate problems, and WildBlue is out indefinitely. You old hands from VF-27 should know both these boys, so wish them well and tell 'em to hurry back.
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Originally posted by HiJack
So the worm turns huh LOwe? hehe You know how it is dont try to fool me I saw you drinkin stag beer at the con. Thaks for the Two best squads comment, I gusess 3 88o piots make up a whole squad with the Hellcats, anyway guess we are doin our job if we are pissing you off lol, think you told me once that is what you are suppose to do,screw with the opponents, hey are we having fun yet? I am hoipe you are too! By the way Blue dont quit just leave the dark side, thought youliked the Zeke and Zero you always kicked my butt in it! Whewwweeee what a party, break out the beer!
Bill no worm has turned, don't go there. YES 880, and VF-27 are the best squads in CT in my opinion, and YES 880, and VF-27 kicked butt last week. I never said you weren't. However I don't get on here asking for setups where the other side doesnt have a chance, thats your pilots. Yes I'm screwing with the enemy right now whats your point??:D
I'm all for a late war PTO, but not a setup thats just an execution.
As one base would be. If Erg doesnt want the Bulltoejam flag raised he shouldn't post Bulltoejam:rolleyes:
Also if you get your late war PTO setup the USAAF was in the Pacific too the P-51, P-47, P-38 should be represented.
If Blue comes back he'll only stray from the Dark Side as you call it, if he's scared of competetion. He doesnt need numbers, the F4U4, or Tempest, to be good. :D
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Thats too bad about jaek and wildblue. Did blue just get bored? frustrated?
To whomever thinks the 109 has climbing problems, its not the plane. I switch once in a while to get a grip on the enemy planeset, and it is a fine aircraft. The only problems I have with the 109 is instability at low speed and terrible visibility.
Lowe, I think your planesets dont get the jist of my comment. They contain planes which are all dogs compared to the japanese planes. Maybe in the p40e planeset there is something but just barely, but the a6m2 still outclimbs and is a faster plane, and sadly handles just as well in a dive.
What I am talking about is picking historical matchups where the ijn did not have an advantage in aircraft. If you think I am still pulling this out of my arse, here are some pretty pictures.
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And as far as roadkill flags. In the setup you refer to as us having some massive advantage, you lucky bastards had the fastest and best climbing non perk plane in the game. In fact it is faster and climbs better than the spit 14. If you can leave, you control the fight.
How on earth you think 109e4s, 110cs and ju88s vs. hurri 1s and sbds is a good match up just explains how you can believe you had a disadvantage with 262s and 109g10s. Again, I dont mind the hurri or the current setup, but........ lets all remember what happened to Norway. They didnt exactly bend over but it was pretty close to an ankle grab. What I am trying to say is we should also depict those scenarios in the war where the axis were up as big of a toejam crick as the norskies were in 1940 or whenever this battle was supposed to take place. The last scenario 'could' have been like that, but we cannot not model plane availability in this game. By mid 1944 the germans were almost incapable of defending from enemy bombers, they mostly relied on flack batteries. Sooooo For the allies to get a scenario which matchs the current one in its '300mph' uber fighter (did you know the top speed is listed at 320 mph? I tend to sit around 265), vs the 109 and 110, it would require a late war japan scenario.
If you think the lack of the ki84 is a reason not to have it, why dont we have curtiss hawks in this setup? They would do about as well for us as a new ki would do vs the f4u4 and p51.
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Erg.
Okay just so you know my sarcasm switch is off and safety wired for this reply. I understand what your saying about the Zeke M2, honest, honest, honest,!
Next early PTO setup which I hope we don't see until a good late war PTO setup, just watch the text buffer, and see which sides is landing the most kills. Obivously there are some guys out there that can fly the M2 effectively, I am not one of them. If you don't know how hard it is to stay on the six of an F4F "which BTW turns great" long enough to kill it without his wingman giving you the 50 cal enema, you don't understand what I am saying when I say IN MY OPINION THE F4F is a better plane. I see and understand the stats you have posted. However I still see more A6M2s flamed than F4F's. Thats not a problem, I'm the one that chose to be Japanese, and I have no reason to whine. I don't like it prob never will, honestly i am better off in a A6M5 against F6F's and or F4U's , than an A6M2 against F4F's. Prob some Charecter flaw on my part.;)
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Hey HJ,
. Actually, I quit due to several things. Framerate/ connection problems was at the top. Yeah, I remember those days when I did fairly well in jap iron... it felt good winning the 2 and even 3 on 1 fights :). But that was before we only got these early setups with the A6M2 as our only fighter, and before v. 1.10 killed my framerates. Add it all up... being outnumbered by kevlar armored planes while in a bird with crap for guns, then toss in a slow framerate or two just to make sure you can't do squat, then add in the people badmouthing you on ch. 1, it got ridiculous. I decided I wasn't paying for that anymore. Although... I know I'll be back pretty soon, lol. I do miss flying with friends and getting the occasional kill when my framerates aren't as bad. I've done some tweaking to this 'puter, maybe that'll hold me over 'till the new one is here.
Hate to say it, but for an early setup I do better in the 110... and of course, that little 202 that gave y'all fits awhile back ;)
Edit: okay, before anyone jumps in and reminds me how great the A6M2 is supposed to be... the problem I have with it is the guns, not how it handles or anything else. The wildcat is a tough plane to begin with... it takes several solid hits to down it. The zeke, on the other hand, falls apart if you fart while flying it. Soooo... in a zeke you have 2 choices... scare the f4f a bit without actually doing damage, then run like hell before his friend kills you... or go ahead and stay with your target and hope you can hit him enough times before his friend kills you. Okay, if you take number 1... running... you never get a kill, enemy wins... plus you've already lost enough speed trying to get the shot that his friend will prolly kill you anyway. Number 2... well, still dead, but at least you might have taken one with you. Yup, I sure do like that M2 zeke! :(
And Lowe... scared of competition? me? heheh... I still like that screenie you got of me flaming that F4U-4 in my tony... if I recall correctly, it was HJ :D
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Originally posted by Löwe
I got an idea, lets do it just like you said, but lets not give the Axis any ammo, and lets chain the Axis planes to a pole so they can do anything but fly in a circle and let you kill them. Will that be enough for you...So don't be a Jack off!!:rolleyes:
Sounds good to me :)
Ya know, Lowe, you're beginning to sound a lot like RT (almost!)
Although I miss winging with you, at least we now know how to push your buttons :D
Give my wishes to Jaekart and WildBlue, BTW
Gainsie
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You know when I first saw the plane set for this weeks CT i thought hmmm we have the upper hand in planes this week .
But so far I have yet to down a hurricane with any thing other than a ju88 , the 109e i think is faster and a know its a better climber than the hurricane but for some reason I seem to get out climbed and run down by these hurricanes maybe I am not flying the 109e right so I give up and try the 110 which i can not stand and do nothing but jabo runs and risk getting killed by ack and if I do thats ok fair is fair but to get run down by a hurri and out climbed somthing aint right (and it might be me sometimes but not all the time)
But to be honest I think the ju88 is the best plane in this set up I can out run and out climb a hurricane in this thing and if faced with an attack I have the upper hand with more durability and at least the same firepower not to mention the hurricanes weak point is the canopy forward which I will always see .
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The funny thing is, it always seems like the other guy's plane is better. I was cursing the 110's the other night, as they seemed to be faster, turning better, and climbing better than my Hurri (not to mention waaayyy outgunning me), yet I know that's not the case. It was simply perception, exagerated by our differences in energy state. The 109's seemed to almost always be above me no matter how high I climbed on the way to target, and my airspeed indicator seemed to be eternally glued to 175 mph. Yet, not minutes later I got on the six of a 109 who seemed unable to pull away from me. I think that was you, Key. After a little while though, I had re-learned the Hurri, and began to hold my own. So, much of what we perceive as uberness is simply the luck of the draw, meaning the tactical and energy situation at the moment we commit (or are commited) to combat. Except for those Vals and Ju-88's...those guys are really nasty;).
Sabre
CT Staff
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yup that was me i was diving on another hurri lost my edge so i extended away i checked my 6 a hurri 1.1 away so i think no big deal enguage wep i should be able to pull away a minute later i am getting peppered by .303 and shot down by sabre. how did you catch me? i am assumming you e state was better wont take my speed for granted any more thats for sure.
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Originally posted by keyapaha
You know when I first saw the plane set for this weeks CT i thought hmmm we have the upper hand in planes this week .
I've been scratching my head all through this thread. I, also, thought that the Emil would dominate. Ain't so, at least when I'm flying one. I thought the Hurri I would be toast. Ain't so, even when I'm flying one. I never thought much about the Boston at all, until Corwin ran my Emil down in one. (How embarrassing.) I never thought I would maintain any interest in a setup that has only one single-engine Axis fighter type against only one single-engine Allied fighter type. Ain't so; I'm finding this has been one of the most interesting setups of all.
That is, when it's up and running.
- oldman
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I think the dedicated axis flyers have the preconceived notion that the hurricane is weak and slow ( i know i did )
Not all that slow and definatly not weak not from the tail end that thing eats up bullets only weak points is the fuel tanks near the canopy and ofcorse the eng so HO and front quarter shots are the quickest way to down a hurricane correct me if i am wrong here hopefully we can fly there tonight CT was down last night so had to fly MA testing my skills at upping from a vulched field and flying to the nearest furball (which usually was right over the airfield was good fun )
hoping for the CT to be up tonight I have a feeling the 27th Sentai gonna have a very big night.
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When I mention how difficult having only a hurri 1 to fly is, I am assuming that the 109e pilots are flying, well, well.
Currently the stats look like this
126 109s dead from furry hurries
133 hurries dead from 109s.
56 dead 110s from hurriattacks
74 hurries dead from 110s
Here is my favorite!!!!!!!!
17 dead ju88s cause of the go-cart with guns
15 dead hurries from ju88s
oh and speaking of that winged devil the boston.
0 kills of 109s from a boston
20 dead bostons from a 109.
bostons have killed 4 110s,
110s have killed 27 bostons.
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Originally posted by ergRTC
oh and speaking of that winged devil the boston.
0 kills of 109s from a boston
20 dead bostons from a 109.
Hmm. A computer error? It was quite clear that Corwin got me, and I'm sure I was in an Emil and he was in a Boston.
- oldman
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Originally posted by keyapaha
yup that was me i was diving on another hurri lost my edge so i extended away i checked my 6 a hurri 1.1 away so i think no big deal enguage wep i should be able to pull away a minute later i am getting peppered by .303 and shot down by sabre. how did you catch me? i am assumming you e state was better wont take my speed for granted any more thats for sure.
Yeah, I was up high above the other Hurri that was chasing you. Because I had icon on him (but not on you), I was able to track you against the ground. The other Hurri told me you were in a gentle bank to the left but pulling away from him. Looking at the map, I guessed you were trying to get pointed towards your nearest friendly base. So, I just put it into a shallow banking dive and pointed my nose ahead of where I thought you'd be heading and poured on the coal. I started out at least 3k above you, travelling at max level speed, so all that altitude got converted into speed. That and a convergent course put me on your six with lots of closure. You made a good attempt get clear, but with all the BB's I was putting in the air, a lucky hit was inevitable. Nice fight, btw . I actually landed a four-kill sortie that night.
Sabre
CT Staff
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Well I will have my little hurri all polished up and ready for the onslaught keya. I dont think many of the vf27 are gonna be there, many real life things in the way this week. We will try to make your night interesting though!
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ahhh ok I thought the one already on my six was u and yes i was trying to get pointed back to my base i was in nomans land and no help ok that makes sense now .:)
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The Ki-67 has no place in any setup before The Battle Of Leyte Gulf (Oct 44). The Ju88 is a much better substitute for the G4M Betty than the Ki-67. Especially in pre-Hellcat setups. Poor Wildcat is slower in level flight at all levels than the Ki-67. That just ain't a good substitution in my opinion. Just because it has meatballs on the wings doesn't mean it should be subbed in for 1940 Burma!
Planes the CT desperately needs for fuller Pac action. G4M, B5N, B6N, D3Y, P-39, P-38F, Ki-43 and Ki-84. This would allow the CT to fully get by in the Pac theater. A B-25 or B-24 would be nice too, as well as an earlier B-17 and then for late action a B-29.
Western ETO and Med is kinda nice right now. Curtiss Hawk would be spiffy for early war, as well as a friggin' Stuka!!! Also, Blenheims, Wellingtons, He111's and Do17's for early action. An earlier 190 wouldn't hurt either. :) Better Italian representation would be nice of course.
Eastern ETO... lots of Russian stuff to add and a later Stuka, the one with the BFG!! :D
Anyways, asking for a Ki-67 in a pre '44 setting is asking for imbalance for the Japanese side. If some of the above planes ever get added, you will see me live in the CT for early PTO and BoB setups. :)
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HIYA ERG!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm back..................;)
Sorry I had to take off a few hours and get some work done, damn boss doesnt know the importance of a good dodge the turdball contest on the AH BBS.
Erg I am sure that there is occasion in this post, where I did not see or comprehend what you were trying to communicate, all that aside, the 109G10 is everything you say it is. I never said it was'nt. Now what I am saying is this......................... ....
Not taking anything away from the bombing raid you guys ran last Thursday. Here are my opinons on what happened. First the 190A8, is a great interceptor if it can catch the buffs. The 109G10 is a great fighter, however it would not be MY first choice to attack bombers. I did get one good pass at your formation from pointblank range the first encounter with your buffs over the North Sea, in a Bf-109G10. However I was clean without the cannon package, and could only manage to damage a B-17. I think you mentioned you went ahead and bailed from it later because it was slowing your formation down.
Okay thats about as good as it gets with a lone 109G10 attacking a good sized formation of buffs, without the extra cannon package or rkts. You guys flew high enough to render the FW-190A8 a non player, not a whine by me, just damn good tactics on the part of you guys, in my opinion.
The real secret to your success was the escorts, thats about the best escort job I've seen by anyone in AW,WB's or AH. Not once did they run off after fleeing LW fighters, and leave the Buff formation at risk. I even mentioned in my AAR to the 27th Sentai, that my hat was off to the Escort pilots. The G10 even if it got close the defensive fire was muderous, again realistic.
For some reason I don't know if it's the times we all fly or what there never seems to be any large commitment of any AH Jagdgeschwaders during our squad nights during ETO's. I wish there was. Many of the guys clawing their way to try and get at the buffs were Allied guys trying to even sides up, whom I appreciate the effort from.
Yes the 262 was only perked for 5 points as Oleg mentioned earlier, but most people are not flying CT every night , and a lot of people logged on that tried to get 262s to at least get at the bombers couldnt, no whine just bad luck. You guys ran a great mission, and achieved your objectives, I assume. Your individual radar icons nevered showed just bar dar, don't know why, dont really care, so we were constantly answering the question where are the buffs?,, while trying to get to your formation. In fact my second hop I stayed very near your buffs for most of the time, I had a 109G10 had the cannons, and was just trying to get an opening in the escort coverage to sneak in and take a swipe.
I decided I was going to have to be paitent so I backed off hoping the escorts would get lazy or make a mistake. I then decided to start trying to vector help to the area, I was giving Oldman the formations location and heading and all the sudden I have tracers all over the sky around my plane. I tried to get the hell outta the way and elude the 3 ponys that had saddled up to my six oclock, and how I missed them I'll never know, but man they came outta nowhere. However I didnt get away Warloc made short work of my 109. I got one more chance at you guys about 30 mins later you were on the way home, I tried for a HO on the buffs but between your defensive fire and Terrors P-51
all I did was give you guys another burning plane to watch.:)
After that I gave up. It was a great mission you ran, and it was successfull because you used your strentghs against our weakness, thats exactly how a battle should be won, no qualms about it. You used your advantage, now I almost didnt reply to this thread because I thought A: He's joking or B: He's stupid.
I ruled out B, BTW;)
I then thought did he not see the advantage they had the other night, and how well they exploited it?
So I replied in my usual polite manner. Now I never said this was a good matchup we have this week. I did say the Axis have the advantage this week. I also maintain that there is a clear Allied advantage 3 out of 4 set-ups.I also think thats HISTORICAL. Now I can't do anything about the 262 when it's available. If everyboody flew it yes it would be a problem, it's kind of like the Spitfire when it's available you can bet half the people don't like it. I have yet to get a kill in AH in the 262, and I think when I was Allied I was only killed 3 times by 262s, so if I tend to poopoo on the 262 factor it's mainly due to the fact that i usually ignore it if I'm axis, and avoid it if I'm allied.
On the A6m2 I'll agree that I'll never agree with you on it. I'ts kinda the opposite of the Bf-110 for me. I don't have the historic success flying a A6M2, that i should, but I have way too much success flying a Bf-110 than I should.
Now for Gainsie Mr RedTail444 :D
Yes RT and I have a lot in common, thats prob why we like to go at each other, maybe we seperated at birth or something.:D
You say you guys are pushing my buttons? I'm of the opinion I'm pushing yours!;)
This is PSY OPS BOYS! Both sides sticking till they hit a nerve!:D
Erg I love to post this picture on a thread like this, and it speaks for it'self.
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ahh lowe, alls well that ends well. Now grab your ankles its squad night.
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Nifty,
The Ki-67 was in combat with the IJA in April, 1944, well before October, 1944. The IJN's first use of the Ki-67 was in October, 1944, but that clearly was not the first use.
We do need the G4M2 or Ki-21-II, but likewise we need a slow assed target of an Allied bomber such as the B-25B instead of the Boston Mk III which simply outruns every early war Japanese fighter.
To those who want some "Allies squishing the Japanese" setup, you do realize that, baring unhistorical limitations, you simply cannot get that, just as the "Japanese squishing the Allies" setups don't work either. Both of these require a difference in pilot skill that far overshadows the difference in equipment.
You will never be facing 95% rank newbies flying A6M5s, Ki-43-IIIs and Ki-84-Is in any AH setup. Therefore you will never get the slaughter you're imagining in you mind.
The Japanese fighters were not (excluding the Ki-84 and N1K2-J when they worked) quite as good as the US, USAAF and RN fighters, but they could still fight and pose a real threat. It was the pre-war Japanese pilot training doctrines that really caused the problem. They had elite pilots due to it, but it simply couldn't produce pilots any where near fast enough. When they finally realized this and switched it was too late, especially after the Marianas Turkey Shoot where we killed many, many of their trainees.
You will never see that in AH unless you find a way to render the skills of the 27th Sentai and others irrelevant. Maybe be able to set it so all Japanese aircraft start already missing an elevator and an aileron.
Of course, if that happens we'd better see USAAF and USN aircraft starting in a likewise crippled manner for the early war setups.
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Damn I love this watermelon heheheheherolfrolfhehe, damn i think i just peed my pants! Thanks for the praise Lowe, I thought that mission was great, by the way we didnt get all we wanted, that was to obliterate your 262 field( we assume that was it) still havent got the bombing figured out, missed alot, and we landed the flights of buffs out of the 7 that started. If we frustrated a few people that was the intention,our mission, but I think It was fun for most who participated, on both sides, and like i said before there will be more so get ready. By the way figure you guys have got the Sentai goin good so come on over, sure you miss your Hellcat, oh what the hell, youve probably flown it since we have, havent seen it in here in ages. Oh ya Blue if thats the only film you have of you killin me you didnt have it on often enough thats for sure!
Whoops meant to say out of the 7 that started 3 landed, lost 2 to discoes and 2 to axis, no escorts lost until after we started home, all were low on ammo and gas by then just did a lot of dodging think we lost 3or 4 then,of course i was one of them, and only got one kill and one assist. Still a crummy pilot thats for sure one of these days ill get better, maybe!
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karnak, I think this has all gotten confused in the ranting. What i am talking about is a scenario that has, lets say an f4u in it rather than a f4f. We try to limit planes to a historical context by doing things like making them available at only one base (like the p51ds, lancasters, b17s, and 262s in the last scenario).
We often have these early war scenarios under the excuse that we have a fuller planeset there, but in fact looking at this scenario, we have only a hurri. In pacific setups we go early cause we supposedly have more planes there but I dont see it. We have the p40b, f4f, the a6m2, and the val. Thats it. (I may be forgetting something)
What I would like to see is just a good old pac setup where the allies get the planes they were flying in 1944/45, and just as we have to 'deal' with only having a hurri (not that its a bad plane, but not much variety), the ijn folks can just 'deal' with only having a nik, a ki, and a zero.
erg.
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Sorry, I have never thought IJN were easy, and do understand that we wont be facing newbies, Sentai was formed by Hellcat members that were trying to even the CT, matter of fact I think the Sentai have the best pilots in the CT right now on a overall basis. They are as good if not better than VF27 and 880 and i dont think you will get an argument about that. No doubt that they are equal if not better than most Allied squads.
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ergRTC,
You mean like the scenario some months ago where the Midanao terrain was used?
Where the N1K2-J was available only from one base, and it was perked?
Where the US had F4Us, F6Fs, P-38s, P-47s, P-51s and B-17s against the Japanese Ki-61-Is and A6M5bs?
Yeah, that was a blast.:rolleyes:
However, you're position certainly does lend credence to my statement at the time that the Ki-84 would be perked most CT setups if/when it gets added to AH. Sure the Japanese built 3,500 of them, but its too good and actually poses a threat that can't simply be ignored like an A6M5b or Ki-61-I.
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Damn ERG!
Don't let that frog do you that way!!!!!!!!!!!!:p
Anybody know the Japanese word for Giddyup??
Hijacker.
I can't believe we got away with this much on this board without a warning from Sabre. I was hoping since he knows Vf-27, and 27th Sentai share the same blood lines he let us have our little family spat.
The 27th Sentai has some good sticks Jester, Oboe2, Seabees, and soon as he gets his AH timing down P6EHawk is gonna be another great IJ stick. I think we got one of the best buff sticks in Keyapaha, followed closely by Wildblue.
Dbltrbl is an animal, and gets more kills in one sortie than I do in a week, so is Karnak, if we could get him to squad night. We got a new stick Crabhead who I can tell already is going to be a great one, and I hate to think what Jaekart will be able to do when his computer woes are fixed. Then of course theres Lowejg, Im a mediocore pilot, but I do love to kick the hive and swat after the swarm. We've got a long way to go Hijacker before you can bestow great on us, our only claim to fame is we show up and fly no matter what, and do our best.
Some days we get to log off with a little victory or two, mostly we log off after having VF-27 hand us our arse, but we always promise to bring it back next squadnight to be shot off again.
To be at the top of VF-27's, and sometimes 880FAA's hit list is a tough job. You guys got the best CT squad, in VF-27. We're trying but got a long way to go. However on the BBS it's a fair fight!!
Where else but on this BBS does an ex Air Force wrench bender turned copier tech like me get to debate with a Georgetown University student, like Erg??
LOL GREAT STUFF!!
Oh yeah and ERG carefull that frog could give ya warts.;)
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Found that frog in another post, always brings a smile.
Karnak, the point i am trying to get at, is that these early war setups give the axis the same advantage those late war setups give the allied. Yet..... we rarely get to do those late war pac setups. You cant complain about the late war setups being biased when we have to suffer through a week of hurri 1s. Well im not suffering but some others are. I will probably be suffering this evening as soon as the 27th figures out which base I am upping from.
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THIS WHOLE THREAD WAS WORTH IT JUST FOR THE FROG!
LOL.
My wife thinks we're a bunch of apes argueing over a game.
Linda: " Oh that poor teddy bear! You guys are horrible"
Lowejg: " It's okay honey this is war"
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My wife thinks we're a bunch of apes argueing over a game.
Make sure she understands that this is not just a game. This is Aces High! If you say it with enough dignity and import, or a least often enough, I'm sure she will understand.
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erg,
This is, what? The first week ever the Allies have been at a significant disadvantage.
You're crying to loudly to justify it.
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Im not readint anymore I peed my pants earlier! Hell this thread could go on forever lol, I know Lowe its fun to argue with the intellectual types isnt it, makes me feel smart sometimes! Whoa who am i foolin hehe!
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If you argue with a college type and get out by being buggered by a frog it's a good day Hijacker .:D
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cmon now, i am not a college type, that was done 4 years ago (and 3 years late at that), I already have my B(ull)S(hit) diploma, in a week I should have my 'M(ore) S(hit)' diploma and I can continue to work on my 'P(iled) on H(igher) and D(eeper)'.
Karnak, I hate to continue this thread, but your inability to understand that a 109 g10 is superior to any allied aircraft we had in last weeks scenario, and then to carry on that we in fact 'have' an advantage is ludicrous. Name me the scenario (and planes involved) that we have seen in the past 2 months that gave the allies a planeset advantage?
if you need some examples...
A spit 14 vs the 109g10 is an even matchup
A p51 vs a 109g10 requires a good 51 pilot. So... that would not be an even match.
An a6m2 vs a f4f is not an even match up.
A chog vs a niki is a pretty even match.
An f4u-1 vs a niki is not.
Remember, pilot skill is not a part of this. I am just talking about the planes. Also remember that I am asking for a historical matchup. Something that happened in late 1944. So what if you havnt got the ki84. We dont have half the planes we should have in this scenario, and like I said, that ki84 isnt worth much more than a nik vs an f4u4 or p51.
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I dont mind the current setup, "Norway 1940" at all. HurricaneI does just fine vs 109E and 110C. Just needs a bit of teamwork and patience.
Hardest nut to crack still seems to be the Ju88s.
The CT setups will ebb and flow as to who has the a/c advantage, no biggie, as long as the disparity isnt overwhelming.
We had a good night tonight, and always enjoy fighting or flying with all the CT squads.
Regards.
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Man what a thread. Good reading.
:D
p.s. whens the Rabul setup?:D
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"This is, what? The first week ever the Allies have been at a significant disadvantage. "
I flew both Allies and Axis tonight in the CT. I have to say I didn't feel especially disadvantaged in either the Hurri or in the Emil....in fact I'd rate them about equal.
That is, they're both equally worthless :)
Nah, just kidding about that part, more seriously I think the Hurri can hold its own just fine. It handles a lot better than the Emil and has a better roll rate at speed. The negative -G engine cutout is annoying but easily solved by just rolling inverted anytime ya need to nose down. Flying the Emil with that awful rollrate means you have to slow down a lot, and that gives you only the slightest margin for combat against the Hurricanes (in short, one mistake = death). The bombers are a bit unbalanced for the planes available though, the Ju-88 especially.
J_A_B
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Yeah i like the hurri myself, but there is a reason they built the hurri 2, and then just gave up on the darn things all together. If a slow as dirt quick turner was going to win the war, they never would have built planes like the tempest and the p51.
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Lowe said:
I can't believe we got away with this much on this board without a warning from Sabre. I was hoping since he knows Vf-27, and 27th Sentai share the same blood lines he let us have our little family spat.
Ah, well...kids will be kids. Anyway, this debate is downright mild when compared to the "bomber vs. furballer" debates. Besides, I hate the whole PC, thought-police thingy anyway. My personal opinion is the set up is, on the whole, and to use a technical term, a hoot.:) The comment was made earlier that early-war set ups have become prevalent because of the perception that we have a fuller planeset for early war. Not true, at least not in my mind. There are still huge gaps in the early war period. I simply like the flavor of the early war set ups. Longer fights, less reliance on brute force and more on ACM. And, I get to fly the P-40 more:D. Anyway, play nice in here and no name calling. Other than that, you are free and clear to engage!
Sabre
CT Staff
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I'm still pulling for some 1943 setups both European and Pacific. With my preference being the Pacific. I am relatively new to AH so I may not be on top of plane matchups. But I can't help but think a setup using the "Slot" map with 1943 planes wouldn't be well recieved by both sides.
Land based would be F4u-1, F4f, P40, A6m5, Ki61
CV based would be F4f, A6m2, maybe A6m5?? not sure
Throw in the proper bombers for spice and I think we'd have some great fights. This would represent the time after Guadalcanal was secured and the USN/MC pushed up the Solomon chain towards Rabaul. Just watch Black Sheep Squadron reruns for inspiration :D Only plane really out of place is the A6m5(I think?? no expert) and that would be considered a sub for the A6m3 with the added performance as a reflection of some of the IJN pilot's combat experience since China.
I don't know maybe it would just turn into a F4u-1 vs Ki61 battle and everyone would be complaining. But it would something I would love to give a try.
Which CT staff member is most willing to accept bribes?? aka the cheapest.
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looks good to me. It would be nice to have f4us off the carriers though. When was the f6f model we have introduced anyway? early 44? late 43?
so it would be
allied
f4u1
f4f
tbm
sbd
a20g (instead of the b26)
p40 on land
axis
ki61
ki67
a6m2
a6m5
val
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The F6f didn't see combat till August 1943 at Marcus Island, so I'd leave them out. The USN didn't have ship-based F4u till late '44, so I'd keep them land-based to represent the USMC squadrons that first deployed them in the Solomons.
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I could live with them off land, would force more planning on our part. One important part of this setup is getting the IJN and Allied bases on DIFFERENT PIECES OF LAND, a reasonable distance from each other (2 sectors at least). This way a land grab would have to be accompllished via the carriers and beachhead. It would also slightly limit the number of f4us and kis of both kinds flitting around.
fun fun fun~!~~~~~~!
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THEBUG...THY WISH HAS BEEN GRANTED BY THE ALL-POWERFUL GENIE OF THE LAM...ER, THE CANTEEN. THOU WILST FIND THYSELVE MAROONED ON THE MALARIA-INFESTED SHORES OF THE SOLOMONS, THERE TO DO ENDLESS BATTLE WITH THE ENEMY, THE ELEMENTS, AND THINE OWN PING TIMES!
Jarbo has a "Slot, 1943" set up in the can for next weekend, following Buzzbait's set up this weekend. Sorry for the wait. Planeset will be pretty darn close to whats been postulated above.
Sabre
CT Staff
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I take it that 'pretty close' means allies keep what is listed and the ijn gets the nik2.:P
Whats the new setup going to be?
Is it the russian front?
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The F6f didn't see combat till August 1943 at Marcus Island
The A6M5 went into production in the summer of '43 as well. Certainly they would not be seen in any kind of numbers if the scenario is too early for the F6F as well. It might be interesting to enable the A6M5 and the F6F on one CV only and give these (two) CVs a low respawn rate.
Can the respawn rates of a fleets be controlled by fleet or is it all or nothing?
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I take it that 'pretty close' means allies keep what is listed and the ijn gets the nik2.:P
Patooie! The worm is is very plump but the hook is showing.
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hehe.
what hook?
I think the carriers are all or none on respawns.
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Please, no N1K2s or late model Corsairs from CVs. We have done that one already a few times now. Super fighter begats super fighter, and we end up in 1945 again in no time.
Lets go with TheBugs late 1943 set as listed. F4Fs from the CVs and the USMC birdcage Corsairs from the land bases only. IJ gets the Ki-61 and A6M2/5, then just fill out the bombers and dive bombers for both sides, and its yummy.
Regards.
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Originally posted by Squire
Please, no N1K2s or late model Corsairs from CVs. We have done that one already a few times now. Super fighter begats super fighter, and we end up in 1945 again in no time.
Lets go with TheBugs late 1943 set as listed. F4Fs from the CVs and the USMC birdcage Corsairs from the land bases only. IJ gets the Ki-61 and A6M2/5, then just fill out the bombers and dive bombers for both sides, and its yummy.
Don't forget the P-40, please, on the off chance that I can fly Allied.
- oldman
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Absolutely agree. Just didnt want to be the one to say it.
What model of p40 is appropriate old man? Would it be the b or e?
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I'd have the A6m5 in there, as I said :) , as a substitute for the A6m3. The increased performance could be attributed to the great experience some of the IJN pilots had achieved at this point in the war. The A6m2 is just too outclassed. Besides who's afraid of those Zekes anyhow, just don't get too close or ya may singe your eyebrows as they burn :D
I love the USN iron, but I'm sorry to disagree I just don't see a place in this setup for the F6f. I think it's presence may upset the play-balance, I may be wrong. It's just too damn nice of an IJN killer. If it was determined that the IJN had the "uber" planes I'd be more inclined to add the Fm2 for balance.
Looking forward to see what Jarbo has in mind for next week! If it is as good as I hope it to be, let's have a 2 week run of it :p
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Poor Peter-38! No fans to jump to its defense here? I'm sure they were being used in the Solomons in '43 - but an earlier model than our "L".
You just gotta have a '38 in this setup!
I agree about keeping the A6M5 in. And it would be a P-40E, erg.
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I guess an old model 38 would be nice, but not the one we have.
People have been crying for an early model 38 for years. (why? damn silly plane, if we are going for silly planes we need the p39).
thanks oboe.
erg
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Okay.
I know the F6F we have is the F6F5, not the F6F3. However the difference is fairly minor, one of you VF-27 guys help me out here...... WEP is the biggest difference, I believe.
In November of 1943 F6Fs did make attacks on Rabual, from the USS Saratoga, and the "USS Princeton AKA Home of VF-27".
Also there were 3 land based F6F units in the Solomons during 1943 VF-33, VF-38, and VF-40 were all based at Munda on New Gerorgia Island. The A6M5 was in squadron service by September 1943, the IJN started replacing the A6M2 on it's carriers with the A6M3 by June of 1942.
Persoanally I think if your going to have CV ops you need to include the F6F for 1943, the F4F had been put on the second string by then.
I mean whats the point of spliting hairs if your gonna do things like add the Spit to the Norway setup halfway through the week. Then add the F6F to this!!
Sorry boys had to get that dig in!:D
If you want to keep the Hellcat out of it than why bother with CV's, however the sailor squads have not had any fun since the Kurile Islands set-up, that was what six weeks ago? I ythink the F6F should be included. With the F6F, SBD, and TBM on the CV's this setup will reak of 1943.
Too bad we dont have the B6N, and D4y, to go along with the A6M5.:(
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okay, lowe you have convinced me ;)
If the axis dont have a problem with it, fine by me. Say, when was the fm2 doing its thing? Is that later than the f6f3?
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Yeah, what Lowe said.:D
P-38 sounds good too.(just my .2 cents)
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Thanks Sabre for lettin VF27 and 27th Sentai duke it out in here, just some friendly porkin oops i mean jabbin oops well hell you know what I mean lol!
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F6f debuted in November 1943, say that again No-vem-ber. Basically a 1944 plane in my book. The wildcat was hardly second fiddle on US CVs in 1943, the F6f didn't fight until the 11th month, what do you think happened for the rest of them??
Better off leaving it out, represent the period of feb-may of 1943. The US begins its push up the Solomon chain, Rabaul is still a powerhouse, the USMC debuts the F4u-1, the USAAF fights with the P40e, and the USN presses on with it's first line CV aircraft the Wildcat.
The USN aircraft will be historically represented, the A6M5 is there only for PLAY BALANCE, yes it is ahistorical but I believe necessary. No way could you sub the P38L for the F, USAAF will have to stick with the P40e.
Add the F6f and it will slaughter this IJN planeset, add the N1k2 to balance... Well heck now were starting to talk 1944.
Shooting for a historical period Solomons first half of 1943, but yet trying to maintain play balance. I think what I initially layed out will make for fun even fights, with little sacrifice to historical accuracy.
I'm sorry but the call for the F6f and the P38L make no sense to me.
The genie granted my wish any hoot! ;)
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By my books the FM-2 became operational in Febuary of 1944, but that was with the Atlantic Fleet. It started appearing in the Pacific fleet later that year.
The main differences I can find between the F6F3, and the F6F5 is the Eng both planes used the Pratt & Whitney R-2800, the F3 had the -10 the F5, the -10W. Which gave 200 more horse power and about 10 more MPH. The F5 also had some extra armour in the rear, but theres not enough difference in my opinion to exclude the current F6F from the set-up, both planes the F6F3, and the A6M5 became opperational right about the same time.
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If your not gonna get my point. Then leave the A6m5 out along with the F6f. That way all participating planes will be historically accurate. How many A6m2's do you think we'll see flying around?? F4f and F4u-1 can handle the A6m5, by including it we will surely see some Zeros in the air. In my opinion, of course.
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Bug I was prob writing my post at the same time you were so don't get your panties in a wad. Plus I was trying to answer a question from ERG
Do whatever the hell you want, it's your world I just fly there. :rolleyes:
Hey Erg looks like I'm in trouble now I'll have to fly that uber A6m2 you keep telling me about.:D
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Panties in a wad?? Crikey reading through this thread I hate to imagine what your panties are by now.
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We wear DRAWERS in Texas.:p
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Personally the a6m2 seems to be a better plane than the a6m5, but thats just me. I think we should have both if we can, call it 43 1/2 solomons cause its a game.
erg
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Hmm.
Maybe it's the Green, that makes me fly an M5 better.
Anyway, NP it's Bugs deal whatever he wants is cool with me. I'd get tired of all the hey add this stuff too, if I was trying to do a setup.:)
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Hehe just to clarify, I'm only dreaming of a set up here. I have no power to set it up, other than my my ability to whine beg and plead to the CT staff.
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Originally posted by Löwe
We wear DRAWERS in Texas.:p
If we DRAWERS at all!!
guys have had a blast the past few nites.
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I agree we can be a real pain with all our little preferences and biases.
Whatever planeset you decide on, you'll never please us all. I will just be happy to climb into my Hien and fling her into the Pacific sky once again!
btw I just looked up the performance differences between P-38H, which would fit the early 1943 setting, and our P-38L. The L is 12 mph faster, climbs 800 fpm faster, and has a much better rollrate. The L would be more of a "ringer" than a "sub".
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We DO need a 1943 P-38 in Aces High at some point. P-38F or G.
I dont know why its "dissed" so much? Silly plane? escuse me?
It was the USAAFs best fighter in the pacific untill the P-51 arrived, very late in the war, based from Okinawa.
Both leading USAAF aces (Bong and Macguire) flew it.
Hardly silly.
Regards.
p.s. The A6M5 is there as a "sub" for the MISSING A6M3 Model 32, thats what TheBug is trying to tell you.
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Hey Concho!
It's been a pleasure flying with you in CT!
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I didnt mean to make the p38 out as a bad plane, I was just making fun of its design. Kinda like the mid engine in the p39, thats all. I like it just fine (although I am just a bigger target in it).
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geeesh what a sorry thread :)
you guys got it easy,
used to be 2 planes for ijn
a6m5 and ki-61 vrs the entire late war us planes set. We did get limited or perked nikis
Ya's had f4us, f6fs, p38s p47s and p51bs. Ya's had b26s and b17s enabled.
Ijn had nothing that could sink a fleet and ya's would park umm right off airfields.
Any pac set used to be pure crap for axis pilots. Used to be just me brady and wilbuz and a few others on the axis side.
The a6m2 has basically the same cannons as the 109e and 110c. Even same ammo load as 109e. What we dont have modelled is mgff/m rounds. So it seems like mgff is very weak. They were a an effective round in rl. You just had to get in close. When shooting at an f4f you gotta hit the wings. You need deflection shots so that you hit the wing flat. The rest of that plane will just swallow up your ammo.
Hurri 1 can handle a 109e or a 110 and ju88. It constantly gets better scores then the spit 1 vrs axis planes. It kicked arse in bob even though from the films I saw the hurris made the wrong attack against the 88s. They paid for it but the hurri 1 is hardly a tough plane to fly. First sortie I ever flew in any hurri was a hurri 1 and I shot down 4 ju88s in the 1st ct bob set up.
The only setup we can really run that is relatively decent in terms of historical match ups is late 43 early 44 eto.
HT gave us all these wonderfull navy planes with nothing to fight them.
He takes bribes, ask him for more ijn planes, ask him for more versions of the p38. It makes no sense fighting with each other over who has it the worst in each setup.
Everyone knows its the axis :) But we get through with our superior talent :)
fyi half you guys arguing in here now were the same guys who argued with me when I pointed out the complete imbalance of previous pac set ups.
A find it a bit humorous. :)
As you were..........
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??pac setups? ?? What on earth are those? Wow wotan up hill both ways you say?
I dont remember anybody whining about unbalanced mid-late war pac setups since I have been in the ct. but I have only been here since the ct was 'reintroduced'.
oh yeah, here are some current stats for th ct.
212 hurries dead by 109s
184 109s dead by hurries.
116 hurries dead by 110a
108 110s dead by hurries
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Well Gee pardon us all to hell Wotan!!!:)
This isnt one of those walked 5 miles to school up hill in the snow both ways storys is it?;)
You know us damn kids we never understand what you elders went through.
Where the hell you been anyway, havent seen you in the CT for a bit?
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Originally posted by ergRTC
??pac setups? ?? What on earth are those? Wow wotan up hill both ways you say?
Dang Erg ya beat me to the DRAW!!:D
Uh Oh Erg's been counting again........................ ................
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search is back enabled do a search on my posts about pac set ups.
Ofcourse we lw get comin and going, the stats dont mean much because we lw get over our disadvantage with our charm talent and love for leather :)
Seriously though funny to watch the threads come round full circle :)
I am going back to the bench, I have a good seat so please continue and pardon my interuption :)
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Yeah, I remember when I had my first beer.:D
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Just wonderin.... is HTC palling on doing any of the IJN torpedo planes?
... as long as we are wishin.... I would like to see the buffalo.. not to FLY it mind you just to LOOK at it! heheh
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Here ya go Bud!
Personally I think you'd look great wearing one of these!:D