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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Maverick on September 07, 2002, 11:55:35 PM
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September 11th is fast approaching. It is fitting that we remember why that date is infamous and remember that there are many faces that are forever gone due to the cowardly acts of terror that happened that day.
This site: http://www.politicsandprotest.org is the best thing I can find that symbolizes that day. There are photos of the casualties and heroes of that day. I visit it on occasion and remind myself that there are many things still to be accomplished yet in this struggle that was brought upon us. This isn't over yet and we need to stay focused on taking care of business.
Remember those who we lost and who are injured by this cowardly act.
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If you feel the need to hijack a thread, do so somewhere else.
http://www.politicsandprotest.org
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i want to vomit when i see poeple makeing money off 9/11
(look at TV)
hope the .org makes them non profit.
i vomit alot sometimes :rolleyes:
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I've been getting spam that advertises '9/11' watches and other jewelry. extremely gaudy and in the worst of taste. I connect to their websites and send a flaming email telling them what vultures they are.
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A powerful site Maverick.
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Why won't people admit that they love this toejam?
As terrible as it all is, I don't think any of the television news stations have gotten ratings like they did in years. People love death and destruction, they say "Oh thats terrible!" then slow down to get a closer look at the carnage.
Just wait untill "Bin laden attacks" the made for tv movie hits the airwaves!:mad:
Anyways, great site. Hosted by penthouse! :eek:
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Mav asked "no hijacking" so i won't. I've spent several afternoons recently helping people at Antelope Christian Center put up crosses- 3400 of them. It's amazing, but anyone was welcome (we've finished that part now) to help out, and people would drive in, put up a dozen crosses and then leave. Total strangers, teary eyed, sharing unspoken sorrow for our victims.
We'll start putting the name tags on today- 3400 nametags on 3400 crosses. Some of us putting the nametags on the crosses will be conservative, some will be liberal, but we'll all be grieving for the victims and their families.
Thanks Maverick for the link. I'd seen it before, but it's still moving.
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Screw that, I'm not gonna make some terrorists change the way I live.
This may seem callous and un-american, but on 9/11 I'm gonna live my day like any other day.
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Originally posted by Innominate
Why won't people admit that they love this toejam?
As terrible as it all is, I don't think any of the television news stations have gotten ratings like they did in years. People love death and destruction, they say "Oh thats terrible!" then slow down to get a closer look at the carnage.
Innominate, the networks could be showing you a HELL of a lot more carnage than they have been. If they were really into carnage, we'd be seeing footage of the 200 or so people that jumped or fell from the towers before the collapse...but that's been all but censored since 9/11.
BTW, that Flash movie at politicsandprotest.org is...it's just undescribable. Gut-wrenching.
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Long live America! Awesome sight, thanks for sharing Maverick
God Bless all involved in the 9/11 terrosist attack
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post a pic of the crosses Elf.
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Originally posted by Animal
Screw that, I'm not gonna make some terrorists change the way I live.
This may seem callous and un-american, but on 9/11 I'm gonna live my day like any other day.
It's in memory of the innocent victims lost that morning. Nobody is telling you to change YOUR day, just take a second and remember those in NY, DC and the three AA flights, that are no longer here to enjoy THEIR day
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Originally posted by midnight Target
post a pic of the crosses Elf.
MT, they ran a story on the front page of today's Sacramento Bee. I tried to attatch it but I couldn't make it work- it kept giving me an error message saying I was too stupid to figure it out, then it went ha-ha-ha.
Do a Google for SacBee.Com and it's right there on the front page.
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from SacBee
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Very cool Elf...I thought only 2800 had died? Why the extra 600 crosses?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Very cool Elf...I thought only 2800 had died? Why the extra 600 crosses?
Are you counting the passengers of the 4 planes plus those in the Pentagon?
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Ahh, probably not, this was from a "WTC" body count...
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I will be on a plane to Texas on 9/11... lol
Fck it, I wont let them change my life.
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Sorry, Rip, the "official" number is 3,048- not 3400. My bad, I misunderstood the other day when I was out there.
What gets to me are the photos and videos of the victims before 9-11. The father posing with his 8 yr old daughter before her ballerina debut, the friends celebrating a birthday with a victim just days before the attack, people on their wedding days, graduation days and birth days- I have a tough time dealing with that.
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Originally posted by Eagler
It's in memory of the innocent victims lost that morning. Nobody is telling you to change YOUR day, just take a second and remember those in NY, DC and the three AA flights, that are no longer here to enjoy THEIR day
ok
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
I will be on a plane to Texas on 9/11... lol
Fck it, I wont let them change my life.
bs tough guy
It HAS changed your life
look at the security at the A/P
watch ur own mind as you scan the dark skin ppl walking the A/P or boarding your plane
try to slip some weed past security - say in your shoe/sock or carry on... IF you did b4, wouldn't think of now - would you..
bs tough guy
and 9/11 ain't about you. its about the 1000's of families, friends whose lives were torn apart that morning - NEVER to be the same again
gotta love some of these egos on this board that think the world revolves around their anus
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Dude calm down OK?
Not everyone thinks like you.
Oh and by the way, not once in the times Ive flown after the attack have I been paranoid. In fact I dont remember even thinking about it.
It was a tragedy but thousands of people die everyday in many countries and their deaths are no less tragic than what happened in 9/11.
gotta love some of these egos on this board that think the world revolves around their anus
Its ironic that you should make that your last sentence.
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Originally posted by Animal
Dude calm down OK?
Not everyone thinks like you.
Oh and by the way, not once in the times Ive flown after the attack have I been paranoid. In fact I dont remember even thinking about it.
It was a tragedy but thousands of people die everyday in many countries and their deaths are no less tragic than what happened in 9/11.
Its ironic that you should make that your last sentence.
not as ironic as this brain fart:
It was a tragedy but thousands of people die everyday in many countries and their deaths are no less tragic than what happened in 9/11.
Sorry, I care more about 2000+ Americans being murdered in their place of business than 2000+ (name your nationality here) others who died of natural/un-natural causes that same day around the globe. And yes I, do find it more "tragic" than the later.
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Well, I consider that a pretty sad thing to say and I am glad the rest of the country thinks far different than you do.
As for me, everyone in the world is alike, Americans are not worth more than everyone else.
Person by Person, I dont think an American dying in his office is more tragic than an African or Asian getting shot or blown in the street.
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Sad or not I gotta side with Eagler on this one. (frogs will fall from the sky soon I'm sure) Losing a member of your family is more importanat to you than losing a stranger. Losing 2000 Americans in one heinous act is more important to me than losing 2000 Somalis or Iraqis. Just the facts Animal. I'm surprised you don't see the truth in that.
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Guess we have diferent standards for human life.
Cya.
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Originally posted by Animal
Guess we have diferent standards for human life.
Cya.
So you attend every funeral in PR? Or just your families?
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That is completly off the point, just because I wont attend every funeral doesnt mean I'm gonna pretend that my family members are worth more than the rest of the world.
They are more important to me on a personal level because I know them personally and love them, but dont compare family with country. Thats the whole problem with this world, people dont seem to realize that people in other countries are not worth less than those in yours.
Maybe you have never been to a third world country and met diferent people so that you can compare those to the rest of America and then think "Yeah, I still believe Americans are worth more."
Some of the best people I have met was in Haiti, Dominican Republic, the poor parts of Perú, Bolivia. I'm not going into detail on how I experienced acts of kindness that never compared to anything I got in North America.
Maybe because I have had the oportunity to see a lot of the world that is not America I have learned to appreciate that the deaths of people in other countries are no less tragic than the death of an American.
For the record, I am not trying to dehumanize or diminish the sorrow of all the people related to those who died in the 9/11 attack, thankfully I didnt know any of them. It was a sad event, it changed my view on a few things that are going on in the world but it didnt change my lifestyle.
To me, the violent unjust death of a North American, a Puerto Rican, a Mexican, a Somali, what have you, are equally sad because none of them is more important than the other from my point of view, do you honestly see this as wrong, or unpatriotic?
Losing 2000 Americans in one heinous act is more important to me than losing 2000 Somalis or Iraqis. Just the facts Animal. I'm surprised you don't see the truth in that.
Sadly that is exactly the attitude that has made many people around the world dislike us. You know, the "We are Americans and we care for ourselves, the rest of the world isnt nearly as important to me as the rest of America because they are outside" well let me tell you something, there will always be wars and hate unless we try to do an effort to think globally.
First rule of Buddhism: SUFFERING IS UNIVERSAL.
On 9.11.02 I will wake up, look at my watch, realize that its already been a year, then go to work and not think about it for the rest of the day unless something brings it up.
Its already behind me.
However, I will always remember exactly what I was doing when the attack happened because it was a turning point in the history of America.
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That is completly off the point, just because I wont attend every funeral doesnt mean I'm gonna pretend that my family members are worth more than the rest of the world.
uhh?
Guess that stranger on the street corner is gonna buy you ur next vette?
Better not let daddy hear you think like that ... LOL
WTG MT :)
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Animal, I admire you thinking, but the rest of the world Sucks.
NOBODY in the "rest of the world" is shedding a tear for us.
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you are wrong Monk
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Animal,
The deaths that took place on 9/11 hit a more personal note for me than the deaths of people in some other area would have.
The first year I taught school I was employed by a small private school in southeast Arkansas. In my 8th grade history class was a young, pretty, blonde girl named Deena Burchfield. I grew up with one of her cousins. Her husband, Thomas Burnett, was on flight 93 and was one of those who stormed the cockpit.
THAT, makes these deaths more important to me than any death taking place in an obscure part of the world.
Shuckins
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Animal, I think you may be missing the point here.
It's not about whose life is more important. It's about a cowardly sneak attack on all of America that took the lives of 3000 Americans. If they could have killed us all I believe they would have or will still if they can.
IMO this attack wasn't just because we have troops in Saudi Arabia but was really because of the freedoms we enjoy. There are those that would deny even life to others that don't adhere to their dogma. This is our enemy and the wound they inflicted will be avenged.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Animal, I think you may be missing the point here.
It's not about whose life is more important. It's about a cowardly sneak attack on all of America that took the lives of 3000 Americans. If they could have killed us all I believe they would have or will still if they can.
IMO this attack wasn't just because we have troops in Saudi Arabia but was really because of the freedoms we enjoy. There are those that would deny even life to others that don't adhere to their dogma. This is our enemy and the wound they inflicted will be avenged.
Iron, I understand the significance of the attack perfectly, and thats the whole point of 9/11 for me. I knew what was brewing long before the attack, those people hated our guts long before, what made that day so significant is that no one expected it to be like it was; people thought America was invulnerable from anything and now people realize we are not.
To me, the attack hit more on a ideological and political part of my mind, than the sentimental "think of the victims" cord. That doesnt mean I dont care for them, but 3,000 deaths is not the real shocker after the attack, its how the world changed politically, and how it affected the lives of many more thousands people, and let me tell you, the terrorists not only killed 3,000 American innocents, they effectively put a death sentence on tens of thousands more innocents from their own side of the world.
Think of that.
Eagler, obvious from the begining you cant put an intelligent argument, I was talking to Midnight Target, not you. Sorry.
Monk, I dont really think I understood what you meant with your post, but if you where saying the rest of the world doesnt care about the US, then you are wrong.
There is an overwhelming amount of empathy coming from the citizens of the world when it comes to tragedies in America, specially after 9/11 (excluding many on the middle-east who hate us, but what do you expect from a bunch of brainwashed). I hope after this incident many Americans will pick up that awesome trait.
Tomorrow is 9/11. Tell you what, instead of crying a river for the victims, or living my day like any other, I will do this: I will sit down with all my stored newspapers and web articles, and compare the world a year after 9/11 to the world a year before it.
I will put myself on perspective on the real implications of the attack and not just focus on the suffering of the victims for whom we can do nothing about anymore.
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Originally posted by Monk
Animal, I admire you thinking, but the rest of the world Sucks.
NOBODY in the "rest of the world" is shedding a tear for us.
Who is "us"?
The tiny little island I live on lost two people on 9/11...out of a population of 60,000. Statistically we lost more people than the US.
Don't for one minute think that this is a US tragedy alone.
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I choose to dwell on the heroics.
300+ Firefighters, 100+ Police and emergency workers, Flight 93. These people rushed into a situation that they knew was fraught with peril. I choose to remember them. I hope their memory will always be held with pride by all Americans.
Now Animal... this statement kind of set me off: I hope after this incident many Americans will pick up that awesome trait.
Meaning empathy for tragedies in other countries.
Are you kidding? Please say you are. I'm not even going to mention the official Government assistance given to those who needed help since the turn of the century, because someone will bring up the fact that there may be an alterior motive. The Marshall Plan for example.
I will mention the Billions and Billions of dollars raised by private charities and citizens for disaster relief. Our company was one of many to send thousands of pounds of supplies to Nicaragua and Honduras after the recent devastating hurricane. Millions went to Mexico after the earthquakes a few years back. Millions was raised for the starving people in Rwanda, Ethiopia, Somalia.. the list goes on and on. I would place our (Americans) record of humanitarian aid against any country in the world. We have much to be proud of as a people. I think it's good to be proud "as a people".