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Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: 28sweep on September 09, 2002, 01:34:47 PM: Also, are there any tips or web sites that ofter REAL tactics when flying w/ a wingie ?
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: J_A_B on September 09, 2002, 01:41:15 PM: "How often do you fly w/ a wingman? "

Almost never. Maybe once in the last 6 months.

J_A_B
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: Dead Man Flying on September 09, 2002, 01:43:53 PM: Often.

-- Todd/Leviathn
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: AKDejaVu on September 09, 2002, 01:47:20 PM: I usually just fly around someone that exercises good team tactics. Who knows when to bounce and when to drag... who engages the other con, not the same con. Things like that. They're pretty easy to spot in the MA.

AKDejaVu
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: Innominate on September 09, 2002, 01:54:39 PM: It's always nice to have a wingman. It really depends on having one whos going to work with you. It's a huge advantage for two people to be working together in any fashion, wether from takeoff, or just helping each other out over a target.
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: Widewing on September 09, 2002, 02:43:37 PM: Only on squad nights do I have a genuine wingman. Other nights, I'm as likely not to fly with the squad as with it. Since I do about 70% of my flying from carriers, and few of my squadies are interested in CV ops, I tend to find myself alone or with other unattached pilots. However, in most cases we will organize on the spot and work as a team. Some guys won’t cooperate, but the majority do, and in most cases it pays off.

One problem I have with wingmen I don’t know is their inability or unwillingness to stick close to me. Watching a wingy wander off into a horde of red dots is a never-ending source of amusement.

“Hey, where are you going, stay close to me!”

“I’m just chasing this niki.”

“Don’t go down there, there’s more than a dozen of ‘em.”

“I’m almost in range…… Crap, I’m down. Never saw ‘em.”

Time to go back to the TA to work on SA and using the dar to avoid gangbangs. ;)

One of my squadies, who happens to be one of the nicest people I know, always seems to find himself in the middle of a watermelon sandwich. His most common words uttered on voice com are, “I’m in my chute.” But he doesn’t care, he’s having fun and that is the bottom line. Besides, there’s not an ounce of fear in him. Regardless of the odds, he dives straight in, with typical results. Picture Buster Keaton flying fighters, and you will undestand.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: BGBMAW on September 09, 2002, 03:15:30 PM: I try all the time....Wingman..and good wingamn KIK ASSSSSSSSSS

Thats what so sweet about our Squad...We have a lot of playersin here and they enjoy working together,,we all use vox

And there ar e some great books on Winman tactics...And they defnlty work in AH

Boxing-Scissors ..all that toejam works exccelnt in AH arenas....

I think the most important is...Spacing..Never fly wing tip to wing tip....on that same note..dont be more then 3k away from each other when in range of nme....

The Setup is what makes wingman get kills.....

I cant tell you how many times my wingman will drag a guy behind him..and i dive on nme..he either does his typical Blind man tactic and keep s foloiwng my wing man,,,which i kill him..or he turns to face me....at that instant..my wingman turns and is now on hi ass....

What gets good is when its 20 wingman vs 20 Wingman...now thast when REAl Disciplin eworrks..and you will see who has the real Wingman atctics going and....well whos on fire....

Love BiGB
xoxoxo
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: senna on September 09, 2002, 03:19:27 PM: Wierd but I never fly with a wingman though sometimes people have recruited me to be there wing in the arena for a sortie because we are outnumbered. Nothing ever planned though. and I agree that wingman tactics are effective.
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: BigGun on September 09, 2002, 03:21:56 PM: in our squad....i love using BGBMAW as wingman. Finally got him trained to take of elevators or wingtips so I can come in for the kill.
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: Lars on September 09, 2002, 03:38:35 PM: Unless I'm with a squadmate almost never. It is fun to pickup a wingman by either clearing his 6 or evening out the odds in a 2v1. When you help a pilot survive a fight the resulting commaradery that I get from most pilots in that situation is a good feeling especialy if you don't "know" the person you helped out of a tough situation.

Winging on each and every flight greatly reduces the chance of a 1v1 and for me, that is the ultimate kind of fight in AH as far as the fun factor goes.
Title: LMFAo..typical
Post by: BGBMAW on September 09, 2002, 03:39:51 PM: yes im not really a wingman..but more of a "fluffer " .like in the porn business..

I get all the womne ready for Big Guns to finish them off...

He only lets me fly planes that have small guns..303's and such..I then can only peper the wings of nme's..So BiG Guns comes in and gets the kills....

Now thats what a good wingman will do...

O ya.. a good wingman will always give u a check 6...atleast every other 5 min..lolo BiG Guns:)
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Post by: senna on September 09, 2002, 03:46:31 PM: LOL BGB, you cool man.

BTW: What kinda shifter kart, noticed that funked has one also. Theyr neat.

:D
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: BGBMAW on September 09, 2002, 04:07:05 PM: I have a Tony Kart Extreme..w/ a Yz 125 -Ported..with some K&G exhausts..I use the Bang type for my shifter,,,not a big fan of the butterfly shfter....

That thing is BADDDDDDDDDD ASSSSSSS..its old tho..1997 model..Still kiks bellybutton tho..just got a brand new engineso,,,,im throttle monster...

Our Privat trak just got repaved and is smoooothhhh
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: senna on September 09, 2002, 04:11:07 PM: I dont like the butterfly shifter either.

:)
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: BGBMAW on September 09, 2002, 04:13:51 PM: 0-100mph in 6 seconds??? Ya ..they Are very fast...

Nothing comparbale ..except whe nu get to formual series has the same Power to weigth ratio...

27 Horsepower...at 175 pounds (without driver)

Senna..hell you live close to me..I race out of my Dixon Track..Near Fairfiled..or Travis Air Force base..I live north of Sacto...

Will be racing alot hopefully ..end of Sept into Oct..usually on Mondays...:)

BiGB
xoxo

O yaa..wingman are great for racing too...except be careful..open wheels can get dangerous:)
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: senna on September 09, 2002, 04:17:23 PM: I know thats my region IKF (Im retired from shifting now :( My old partner still karts, in the 125 class also. Next time I go to the track to help him out, I'll holla your way to see if you will be there. He has a Tony also.

:D
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: WldThing on September 09, 2002, 04:24:44 PM: I wing with a squaddie almost when ever their on. We tend to usually work better in numbers, i have someone to clear my six while im always there to clear theirs, a win win situation. Communication skills (vox) are always manditory (even tough i dont practice it as much as i should). But when there isnt a squaddie around i will fly alone and use my SA to keep track of my location. Usually works very well when you know where you are and dont get too slow when there are many cons are.

Here are some website i found:

#1 (http://www.cutthroats.com/Academy/CMC302.html)

#2 (http://www.paul.fitzsimons.btinternet.co.uk/wing.html)

#3 (http://www.elitesquad.com/acmwing.htm)

#4 (http://www.whidbeynet.net/wagmen/FlyingTigers/wingman_tactics.htm)
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: Miska on September 09, 2002, 04:31:54 PM: If you're interested in wingman tactics, drop by the CT. Most everyone flies with wingmen there, and a good portion fly in squadron formation. I almost always fly with at least one other 880, often as many as 6-8.
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: Hornet on September 09, 2002, 10:16:26 PM: don't have wingmen too often but I always enjoy bailing out countrymen who are in trouble, nothing sweeter than robbing an enemy of what looks like an easy kill so I suppose that counts as impromptu winging.
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: AtmkRstr on September 09, 2002, 10:19:14 PM: once or twice a week

It really helps, I'd recommend it. I find that only squad mates are dependable Check 6 users.
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: funkedup on September 09, 2002, 11:59:29 PM: Whenever possible. Historical tactics (http://www.raf303.org/308/tactics/fingerfour.htm) not only excite my anal-retentive brain, but they work too.
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: funkedup on September 10, 2002, 12:02:39 AM: BG my dad runs Super Sportsman Heavy at Blue Max. We go to Kinsmen sometimes too. Let me know if you ever come to a Blue Max race and we'll meet up.

Love that Kinsmen track. Turn 1 trail-braking separates the men from the boys real quick. :)
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: Xjazz on September 10, 2002, 12:33:30 AM: Checkthis (http://www.332viking.com/docs/formationflying.htm) 332 Vikings linkpage out!

4 good link about wingman tactics. Contain Andy Bush's great article in SimHq.

S!
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: Xjazz on September 10, 2002, 05:42:51 AM: I have a question concerning 2vs1 offensive wingman tactics.
Lonely, higher con is heading to merge with speed advantage. How to solve this sitution?

Below is my 0.2€ idea:

- first normal bracket move
- after (if) the enemy has choise target and headin to 1vs1 merge, support wingman cut the corner to get intercept course with con
- engaged wignman could try "Short HO" and/or break off with barraller roll evasion move
- support wingman try to get snapshot to the enemy but same time try to avoid burn too much his own E
- fast evaluate con reaction and general SA and wingup again
- extend, sandwich, split etc which depends how con is reacting after merge...

Any comments?
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: senna on September 10, 2002, 05:56:54 AM: Well for the con without a wingman, first thing I would do is not go on offense but go on pseudo offense (really defense on the merge) and confuse the hell out of the two other cons. Make lotsa of movements, direction changes and such at high speed conserving his E. That will screw them up. Go kill the weaker con (an aerial kill that is heavily skill related in my opinion occurs within seconds of a swicth from defense to offense, beyond that your playing with cards of luck). Confuse, find weak, kill ;)

My humble 2 cents.

No really this is my honest philosophy towards ACM, fast kills otherwise on defense.
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: Monk on September 10, 2002, 06:06:07 AM: Every chance I get, without my "Uber" Wingmen, I'm dead meat;)
~~56th~~
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: Manedew on September 10, 2002, 02:17:37 PM: I fly with a GOOD wingman whenever i can .. if he isn't good .. more hurt than help.

:so usally only fly wing when a twin engined devil is on: :D

a single con can't make a pass at one of us without getting shot at...
CAN'T .. don't care how much alt he has

=Twin Engined Devils=
-manetmp
Title: How often do you fly w/ a wingman?
Post by: PvtPyls on September 10, 2002, 03:00:59 PM: i wing with one of the greatest pilots in the WORLD, Spork42. No one kills pirates like he does.