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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Mathman on September 10, 2002, 11:39:18 AM
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Well, I am trying to figure out who the best "pilots" are in AH.
So far, I have 3 nominations, based on their own (even though I hate to use the same phrase again, it is still very much appropriate) exhibitionistic autofelatio here on the boards:
1) Nath (though he has been quiet on the boards lately I think)
2) Urchin (owner of the biggest schlong in the game - just ask him)
3) Widewing (score potato extraordinaire)
Anyone have any other nominations?
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lol math.
for the record, score-potatos, gang bangers, etc deserve no respect from me.
now that guy that's 1 on many and defending his base, CV, C47 etc.. or turns back to help his country/squad mate..
he's the guy I respect.
score doesnt' mean squat IMO
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yep Wlf, and those are the most often overlooked guys.
Most want to furball or bomb, they don't want to goon.
Kills don't mean jack to me, only helping my squadmate's and countrymen.
K2
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There's two categories for this one..
Most skilled "pilots"... either they are, or they aren't.
Best "pilots"... open to interpretation, best in this case for me would be the guy who is good enough to realise the guy you are on doesn't need him to tag along to pop him just as you are about to deliver the final blow, he would instead concentrate on the other guys coming in, he would turn to clear your 6 rather than going for the low and slow easy target, he goes for targets based on threat, and most of all, he won't complain if he gets killed.
-SW
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Nath . . ha that's laughable . . what a putz.
I put her in the same category as your Leviathn's and your Drexes.
They all suck
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best in a certain plane catagory:
MATHMAN = f6f always dangerous when he comes in 15k and is above you (oops I'm dead)
AGJ44 = any LW plane co-alt or above me (oops twice I'm dead)
Whels = any ground vehicle within 2k (oops again I'm dead)
And a very large number of them TWIN TAILED DEVILS in 38's
and Midnight's crew and those killer P51's
COME TO THINK OF IT, darned near everyone in Aces High kills me, lol
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Really there is only one answer to this question.
Unfortunately it's a known fact that he sucks.
Leviathn ?? Nah.
Using Widewings often used comparisions we're 1 and 1.
And I stink..
Really
Come to think of it, he's prolly one up on me, he killed me in my chute after he shot me down.
:D
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Diamante is deadly in a panzer, shore battery, or ship's gun.
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
lol math.
for the record, score-potatos, gang bangers, etc deserve no respect from me.
now that guy that's 1 on many and defending his base, CV, C47 etc.. or turns back to help his country/squad mate..
he's the guy I respect.
score doesnt' mean squat IMO
"For the record", I almost never vulch, I often fly alone, so I don't gangbang, you will not see me in any conga lines. I usually fly from and defend CVs and airfields when needed. I fly the slowest fighters and the one of the least capable bombers. Yet, according to some, I'm a "score-potato" not deserving of respect. You weenies are absolutely pathetic. Sounds like testosterone induced whining to me. Granted, Nath is a motor-mouth, but no one can deny his talent. Urchin has "some issues", but he's a good stick.
How about expressing yourselves in the MA, where the BS stops with the merge, instead of carrying on like a bunch of catty housewives. :rolleyes:
My regards,
Widewing
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How about expressing yourselves in the MA
I do what I can
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Widewing, you need to let some of that hot air out of your ego before it floats you out of the statosphere.
Scores are just numbers, they indicate nothing... you need to realise that.
I could club baby seals all day and have the most uber score out there... I still wouldn't be that good.
-SW
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actually none of the MA pilots deserve to be the best. the best people in the hth are the best people in the game
why
because they fit every single one of hte criteria mentioned here by anyone
btw I fly the c47 and im damn good at it 2 (over 30 enmy bases have fallen to me at one point or another [i guess it doesnt really matter inb 8 person hth cept when im in a 1 on 7 and still win :) ])
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Originally posted by vorticon
actually none of the MA pilots deserve to be the best. the best people in the hth are the best people in the game
AHAHAHAHAHahahahaha
heh
That's a joke, right? Right?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I don't know about the "best" pilot, but I think I may deserve a nomination for the "most dangerous" pilot in AH...dangerous even to my own countrymen..heheheh. Just ask anyone who's very tried flyin formation with me.
Slimm50
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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
I could club baby seals all day and have the most uber score out there... I still wouldn't be that good.
-SW
MMMmmmmmm…. Baby seals!
That’s what I was trying to think of yesterday at Bishops A31 :D.
My K/D is super uber! Low, slow, and parked on a runway. Just like I like ‘em.
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
lol math.
for the record, score-potatos, gang bangers, etc deserve no respect from me.
now that guy that's 1 on many and defending his base, CV, C47 etc.. or turns back to help his country/squad mate..
he's the guy I respect.
score doesnt' mean squat IMO
Score doesn't mean squat? And yet endlessly upping at a capped base (base defense) earns your respect?
Most of us select a way to have fun. Some of us (not me) set goals and try to achieve them. For example, how about Cuckoo's accomplishment of finishing #1 in each category? Or many tours back, how about Ypsilon's accomplishment of completing a tour with more than 100 kills without dying/ditching one time.
I think "respect" is the wrong word, or at least I don't think it should be used to describe the emotions associated with a game. How about "admiration" (as in 'holy toejam, did you see what he did?')
Most of you are trying to make your game play sound admirable and at the same time, you're busy piling ashes on folks who set goals.
I admire Cuckoo's and Ypsilon's accomplishments. I love idiots who will up a vulched field. But respect? Hmmm, reminds me of Monica's last spoken words in the oval orifice "But Mr. President, will you still respect me in the morning?" I'm sure the Prez said "sure." A more honest answer would have been "I have never respected you, but I admire the crap out of you." :)
Bah! Whiney butts. :)
curly
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Every time I've met Widewing in the MA, I've killed him bwahahahahaha.
(of course, both times I met him was about 6 months ago lol)
J_A_B
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Best pilots of the game?
The ones that keep their mouth shut (Off CH. 1) and do the talking with their sticks! Thats who! ;)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Best pilots of the game?
The ones that keep their mouth shut (Off CH. 1) and do the talking with their sticks! Thats who! ;)
Hey! I know them!
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Originally posted by Apache
Hey! I know them!
A rare breed in todays Online flight sims, eh?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Best pilots of the game?
The ones that keep their mouth shut (Off CH. 1) and do the talking with their sticks! Thats who! ;)
ill do that in the future, for now im 20 years younger or so.
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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
Widewing, you need to let some of that hot air out of your ego before it floats you out of the statosphere.
Scores are just numbers, they indicate nothing... you need to realise that.
I could club baby seals all day and have the most uber score out there... I still wouldn't be that good.
-SW
You guys love to point to items not entered into evidence. Where have I ever stated that I was any better than anyone else? Where? Nowhere…..
The amazing thing is that you guys can’t imagine someone generating a good K/D without assuming that he’s killing noobs or vulching? Well, you’re wrong. Ever go fishing and wonder why some other guys fill their catch tank and you don’t? It’s because the other guy knows where the fish are, and uses the proper bait.
The best pilot in this game is Cuckoo, by leaps and bounds. Sure, he games the game some, but guess what? He’s figured out where the fish are and he fills his boat. There’s no doubt that he’s not the most skilled pilot, but that doesn’t matter much if you’re not where the fish are, does it? I dumped on Cuckoo for what I saw as “gaming”, but I was wrong. Cuckoo has figured out how to get to #1 and he does it. Furthermore, I’ve apologized to Cuckoo for maligning him.
I remember someone specifically telling me that my K/D was meaningless because my K/T and K/S were low. Now that I’ve got those up with the best, I’m told that I must be “clubbing baby seals”. Sheesh…..
Now, if it’s so easy to generate my scores, then I challenge you ladies to go ahead and do it! If you won’t or can’t, then STFU! And, if you can, it’s meaningless anyway…Right?
You guys crack me up…..
Cripes, you could write a psych thesis on the reasoning displayed on this board.....
My regards,
Widewing
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by J_A_B
Every time I've met Widewing in the MA, I've killed him bwahahahahaha.
(of course, both times I met him was about 6 months ago lol)
J_A_B
You sure did! First one was when I was up in a C-Hog for the first time. We had a really long and tough fight, which you won. I recall we had a pleasant discussion afterward. It's always a pleasure be be shot down by a gentleman.
My regards,
Widewing
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Scores are always meaningless, they are no indication of skill, ability, or otherwise knowledge of air combat manuevers.
If score was any indication of abilities, those guys ranked... whatever... would join a dueling ladder and be #1 there too.
But they don't, and if they did, they wouldn't be.
I never said you thought you were the best pilot based on scores, I did say your ego is too big since scores are no foundation for basing skill on.
The good guys can and will go into a fight at a disadvantage and win. Or they be outnumbered, outgunned, and still deal the enemy a severe blow.
Score is relative to what you fight, where you fight, how you fight, what you fight in... skill is something that can't be derived from a number, or turned into one.
-SW
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See now there's an inherant problem is asking people who they think is the best. Besides opinion......someone, like Rip for example, will suggest that ego ridden loud mouths should be counted out......but the pilots who dont shout their mouths off occasionally are the ones that dont get noticed and therefore aren't even thought of.
Aces High is full of real good sticks.....that just dont fly often and when they do they're like the grey man.
(http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/extern/640697.jpg)
P.S. Wholeheartedly agree with Whels being the absolute best bar none in a tank battle.
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top 50 pilots n each aircraft k/d ratio - that's all the scoring AH really needs
the rest is kiddie litter
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I think BiGB is on eof the best
He does everything fairly well...
His tactics are very sound.....
He knows how this game woirks...
Ftrs -Bomers -Jabos'..Ground work..
yes defintly BiGB
He can be baddddd asssss
Love BiGB
xoxoxo
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Sheez.......hmmm, let me think......ohh, I know where the good pilots are.;)
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Reputation is earned in combat not on stat sheets or the text buffer…
When your plane is going down in a fireball do you really care what the guys kill ratio is????
In AW we once had a huge discussion on a similar topic. You know who won the “best pilot award” hands down and deservedly so?? Goaly—a c47 goon pilot that quietly went about re-supplying BZ land bases… Just a couple of nights ago I saw him flying low in a c47 re-supplying Knight land. ‘Nough said…
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Best pilots of the game?
The ones that keep their mouth shut (Off CH. 1) and do the talking with their sticks! Thats who! ;)
Cheers!
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On my list of awesome pilots they are - AKNimitz, Fester, hblair, WldThing, Cavalear, Ripsnort, Mathman, and ZeroPing.
AKNimitz - One of the best sticks in the game no matter what plane he is in.
Fester - Another good stick, not so hard to beat, but he is still very good in whatever plane.
hblair - VERY good stick in P47 or Luftwaffe planes.
WldThing - One of the best wingies I ever flew with. One of the best 51 pilot ever. VERY good in any American plane. WldThing!
Cavalear - Tought me how to survive during MA battles. One of the best F6F pilots around!
Ripsnort - One of the best leaders out there and what a great squad leader. You can be my wingman anytime!
Mathman - One of the greatest F6F pilots...he is my role model in a way. Thanx for your informational page Math!
ZeroPing - I met you in the SEA in a Tour Of Duty...I remember me and you being the last Hellcat pilots up against all the AK's! I will never forget that day.
All...there are probably some other awesome pilots I forgot and I'm sorry ALL!!!
~Wildkat/BlueiceJ~
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Why, thank you for the nomination. As my ex-girlfriend used to tell me "Your intelligence and boyish good looks are surpassed only by extraordinary length of your reproductive organ".
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akswulfe,
Do you really believe that stuff you said about dueling? That if someone was the best pilot they'd prove it by being #1` on a dueling ladder? LOL
This poorly considered declaration fails to address several factors as far as being an accomplished pilot, one important one is SA/decision making. This best dueler in the game won't have an ounce of success in the arena if he makes poor decisions and has poor SA. Your thought about dueling showing who's best are way off.
I'm relatively new to the game but people's thoughts on score potatos are akin to whining. There may be many who do not care about stats but I'm confident that most of those who sound off are either incapable or too lazy to produce impressive stats.
Look at widewings score as an example.. the bulk of his kills are in Fm2's...obviously this guy is making smart decisions as he doesn't have the luxury of running should he make a mistake. Maybe he isn't among the best (no offfense, I honestly do not know) but his numbers, as in SCORE reflect that he is an accomplished pilot in the arena. So those that say score doesn't mean anything are brutally mistaken..to the point of seeming foolish. Personally, I admire a pilot with impressive numbers but I equally appreciate the guys grabbin goons, and doing other selfless things to further the ends of their country...I'd like to be one of them someday :)
Steve
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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
Scores are always meaningless, they are no indication of skill, ability, or otherwise knowledge of air combat manuevers.
If score was any indication of abilities, those guys ranked... whatever... would join a dueling ladder and be #1 there too.
But they don't, and if they did, they wouldn't be.
I never said you thought you were the best pilot based on scores, I did say your ego is too big since scores are no foundation for basing skill on.
The good guys can and will go into a fight at a disadvantage and win. Or they be outnumbered, outgunned, and still deal the enemy a severe blow.
Score is relative to what you fight, where you fight, how you fight, what you fight in... skill is something that can't be derived from a number, or turned into one.
-SW
Flying one on one or two on two proves little. Those skills are only a small part of the skills needed to kill and survive in the MA. I can list pilot after pilot who was the “hot stick” during combat training, who upon being sent to the ETO promptly got shot down. Why? Because there’s a hellava lot more involved in aerial combat than pure maneuvering skills. First off, if you think I’m gonna give someone the slightest chance, forget it. There’s no such thing as a fair fight. SA, managing fuel and ordnance, gaining position before a fight, never fighting to an enemy’s strengths, avoiding hordes of red icons, all of these things and many others are part of being successful. Frankly, if you have to rely upon maneuvering skills to survive, you’ve already screwed the pooch. Anyone who thinks that maneuvering skill is the sole measure of ability is conning himself.
My regards,
Widewing
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We've got different opinions on what makes a pilot good then Widewing. I'll never decline a 1v1 fight. If a Spit V dives on me when I'm in a P-47, I'll turn into the attack and go around with him a couple times. If I haven't killed him by then, then it is time to run away and put a little alt under me, and come back.
Avoiding a fight isn't what makes you good. True, if this was 'real life' and we were really going to die if we got shot down, then avoiding a fight would be the smart thing to. As it is, it is merely boring.
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Originally posted by Steve
Look at widewings score as an example.. the bulk of his kills are in Fm2's...obviously this guy is making smart decisions as he doesn't have the luxury of running should he make a mistake.
Steve
pssssttt... he gets all those kills in the fm2 by hanging around in cv acks and getting a ton of prox kills that should be assigned to the AI gunners. he's admitted as much. just goes to show how little stock you can put in scores and stuff. I'm sure he pings his share of them as well; it's his decision to "game" the game in that manner.
my only gripe is about how too many people just simply refuse to *try* and instead take the easy way out.
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I'm not against those who only fly for their score.
I don't do it myself because it doesn't seem compatible with a normal sex life.
;)
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Originally posted by Shane
pssssttt... he gets all those kills in the fm2 by hanging around in cv acks and getting a ton of prox kills that should be assigned to the AI gunners. he's admitted as much. just goes to show how little stock you can put in scores and stuff. I'm sure he pings his share of them as well; it's his decision to "game" the game in that manner.
my only gripe is about how too many people just simply refuse to *try* and instead take the easy way out.
I've picked up 4 prox kills defending CVs. In each case, I chased the attacker right into the ack, getting pings but not enough to kill him. I have never tried to conceal this, as my fellow Rooks will attest. However, I score all CV CAP flights as attack missions specifically to isolate proxy kills from my fighter score. Gentlemen, there's nothing worse than BS'ing one's self. By the way, I've been shot down by friendly AI ack pursuing cons that way. I also do not deny using the CV as bait. In fact, I like nothing more than hordes of Ju 88s trying to get into torpedo range, or suicide jabos too single-minded or too heavy to avoid my Wildcat diving in. Moreover, I fly the SBD extensively from carriers. In addition, I’m not adverse to taking an A-20 or Bostons on a milk run to pad my bomber score a bit. I’m open about such things, I hide nothing. Fatz and I were defending a CV last evening, we landed about 10 kills each. None were proxy. If you think this is easy work, try it sometime. You’re always out-numbered, dealing with high and low cons, while avoiding the fighters who take runs at you while you chase down low flying Lancs or strafe PTs. Moreover, you cannot afford to dawdle for long with one or two cons, cause there’s 5 more coming in….. If only more people would help CAP carriers…..
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Urchin
We've got different opinions on what makes a pilot good then Widewing. I'll never decline a 1v1 fight. If a Spit V dives on me when I'm in a P-47, I'll turn into the attack and go around with him a couple times. If I haven't killed him by then, then it is time to run away and put a little alt under me, and come back.
Avoiding a fight isn't what makes you good. True, if this was 'real life' and we were really going to die if we got shot down, then avoiding a fight would be the smart thing to. As it is, it is merely boring.
Urchin, I don't avoid fights, ask NHLAWMAN about our FM-2/La-7 brawl last night. I DO avoid situations where getting ganged will be the end result. I will withdraw and reposition to eliminate a disadvantage, but I will be back, with the tactical edge in my favor. Common sense stuff.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by aac
best in a certain plane catagory:
AGJ44 = any LW plane co-alt or above me (oops twice I'm dead)
Why thank you for the nomination. Been flying in Ah for 2 years and have never been nominated for anything lol. Guess I am an unknown :D Want to keep it that way as well.
AGJV44
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The logic behind “The AH ranking/score system means nothing” voice:
“I know some players who are ranked pretty low even though they really are very good.”
“I know some players who don’t seem all that good, yet they are ranked very high”
“Therefore, the AH ranking/score system must be porked and meaningless.”
Well, the first two statements are often very true. The conclusion, however, is a bit naïve and simplified.
For many folks, the ranking/score system is a game within itself. For those who choose to play the ranking game, ranking is very meaningful and reasonably accurate. It does not show who is the best, but it does show who PLAYED the best! There are plenty of very good players who do play for rank, and outranking THEM is no easy task. Over the years I have read dozens, if not hundreds, of players state that the AH ranking/score system means nothing. They often state that they suck and they made it into the top 50 (or whatever) with just a little bit of effort, so therefore it must not be that hard to rank even higher. Easy to say, but just try to outrank Fester, Ypsilon, Mitsu, CUCKOO, AKNimitz, winqck, or even Fariz J when they are giving it all they’ve got. Not so easy once you actually try.
Its just like saying, “Anyone could get a 100 kill streak, all you gotta do is Bla bla bla.”. Easy to say, very few can prove that they can however.
* The mistake that can be made in regards placing value on the ranking/score system is to assume that everyone is playing the raking game, and taking it to the same degree of seriousness.
* Players who do not play for rank at all, are almost always ranked considerably low, especially in overall rankings.
· The AH ranking/score system places great value on well roundedness. Players who do it all tend to rank high.
· The AH ranking/score system tells nothing about what kind of situation each player seeks, or avoids.
eskimo
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Flying one on one or two on two proves little
Now we're talking Widewing :)
In the MA envirement yes you probably are correct "if" and only if, flying for score is what your about.
The ability to survive and kill in the MA is an art form, and it's something I work on, but have limited success.
If you fly for the fights, advantage is a very loose term. There you may enter a 1 on 1 or 1 on 2 fight, for the fight only. Knowing you'll die one way or the other, get low, someone or a group will jump in.
The "fight" is what you miss if you fly only for score. And to each his own on how they fly. Some could care less about either, it's all about winning the war ( that never ends )
A very good example of the "fight" is downloadable from hblairs post on another thread. I'll wouldn't trade those kind of fights for anything.
Those "fights" you remember.
I would be more inclined to ask who is the most dangerous pilot.
Dangerous pilots are born fighting in the pits. One versus many, over and over again.
Dangerous pilots can "score" if the mood strikes but from what I've seen they're more prone to get in a 47 wade into a furball, get slow and start killing people :confused:
Being born and bred in the pits, then getting good at it, flying for score would be very boring.
Saw 18 go down on "one" sortie with a dangerous pilot fighting in the pits in a 109. A thing of beauty to watch.
I'll never be able to do the score thing, not that I don't try. If it's a one on one, even if he has the plane and the altitude I'm going for it. And I win them on occasion.
Maybe not as often as I would like ;)
..but I'll do my best to make it a tussel.
It's the float boater thingy.
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No matter what you people think of him Nath will own 99% of you in a 1on1
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Nath kicks bellybutton 1v1... he's literally the best I've ever seen.
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i'd have thought my silence might have earned me something...
The one guy who has a hard time shuttin up....
SKurj
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I vote for SKurj!
That little +) thing he does in all his posts is uber!
:D
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The greatest pilot in AH knows that the person that just shot him down warped, was invisible, is lagging, cheats, was in a superior plane, had a massive energy advantage or is a vulch and will freely tell the world about it each and every time he is killed.
AKDejaVu
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Finally!
Thanks Deja!
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is the best pilot the one w/ the mosts posts...
7,905!!..Dam DejaVu!!...lolo:)
Love BiGB
...xoxoxo
Best pilot..has to be the one who avergaes the Best in all Categories...yes even the godam PT Boats
Habor Pilots..or are the Sea Capatins??
Again..I nominate my self...:)
Boming-Strafing-Ftr-Jabo-Crusiing in the Yacht..err CV or Shore Battering.....
Well actually I dont like using CV group for shore battry..so maybe i De nominate my self......Hell screw those guns ..i only like them for Dueling Cv's:)
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I see my bait was a little too obvious :)
Both were indeed good fights Widewing.
J_A_B
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The best Ta 152 pilot in AH is lazs2 - hands down.
*No one has ever shot down lazs2 in a Ta 152*.
Mike/wulfie
:)
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I can name 28 sim pilots that are the greatest pilots in AH.
My fellow squadmember, the 332nd Flying Mongrels!!! All of them! Wonderful people and great to fly with, hands down!!
I would much rather fly with them, anytime, any day, than anyone who has been mentioned already.
All of them are the "best" in my book!!
To quote Top Gun, "It takes alot more than fancy flying!"
It takes indivdual character and integrity to be on, and to stay on top.
Salute Flying Mongrels!!!!!!
:)
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I vote for Yancyan.
The guy is always in the right place at the right time like magic.
Goon, Buff, GV, JABO.
Never ceases to amaze me.
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Let's see.... I'm 63 years old and legally blind, have been doing this for 3 months and rated 89th in fighters. You all are so right these toy planes are so hard to master.
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Originally posted by Widewing
"For the record", I almost never vulch, I often fly alone, so I don't gangbang, you will not see me in any conga lines. I usually fly from and defend CVs and airfields when needed. I fly the slowest fighters and the one of the least capable bombers. Yet, according to some, I'm a "score-potato" not deserving of respect. You weenies are absolutely pathetic. Sounds like testosterone induced whining to me. Granted, Nath is a motor-mouth, but no one can deny his talent. Urchin has "some issues", but he's a good stick.
How about expressing yourselves in the MA, where the BS stops with the merge, instead of carrying on like a bunch of catty housewives. :rolleyes:
My regards,
Widewing
I think someone hit a nerve.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
The greatest pilot in AH knows that the person that just shot him down warped, was invisible, is lagging, cheats, was in a superior plane, had a massive energy advantage or is a vulch and will freely tell the world about it each and every time he is killed.
AKDejaVu
So your vote goes to Slimpikn?
ack-ack
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Ive put some thought into this and I can genuinely say that: very, very few people have really impressed me in the game as far as being able to consistently perform is concerned.
Unfortunatley, the reallly great performers never seem to last (makes you wonder about the silent treatment given to hackers via the HTC protocol of not announcing banishment).
Most of the guys I admire are from beta anyway, but there are a few of the newer dweebs that I am wary of. Other than that,
I have no admiration for anyone in this game except for the 13tas Guys.
They are my associates and freinds in this stark dweebfest of a game.
13thTAS
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WideWing, AGJV, and Whels are the closest anyone has come to picking the 'best' out of the pack. Let me explain.
To me, the best pilot is not necessarily flying all the time. The 'best' is a guy that has great fortune in coming across situations that demand his presence. He CAPs the CV as needed. He buffs fields into submission. He's the guy that manages to get through the goon hunters to capture a field. He goons HQ until dar comes back up. He's the guy that lawn darts his 262, because he's saving the goon from that Niki, and that means getting vertical too close to the ground. He's the guy that suicides in order to knock out that last remaining Flak at the VH for the reset. He's the guy that offers up a right after his fallen prey has sent him an on channel 1. He's also the guy that sends a WTG to nearly every team member, and a lot of enemies too.
Who is he? You tell me. I know we have a lot of these guys flying for Bishops, and I them all. They may not be ranked, but they do their job.
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But my noodle is the biggest
:cool:
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If exiles old ladder rankings are around anywhere, that will give you an indication .
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No matter what you people think of him Nath will own 99% of you in a 1on1
Right on Animal!!
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Originally posted by Animal
No matter what you people think of him Nath will own 99% of you in a 1on1
Can't we have one thread without you throwing in a homoeroticism Animal ?
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probably gonna forget names...sorry if i do.
dangerous is the word....the 1 you fight is way better then you thought he was....the 1 's that make you go HHMMMM...kill em fast or you die....
Trikky- good stick(too agressive), but very gutsy
Shane- good stick talks too much :eek:
some AK's like Nimitz or Iron
Whels - but from his POV, your lucky and unskilled when you do kill em....lacks respect...probably best GV man out there.
Urchin - good stick, but relax bud its only a game
Widewing - good stick good SA....ultimate cherry picker...he's the 1 you talk too if you wanna survive in MA.
Fariz - comrade fariz is an excellent stick. just his 30 + tif mission sucks :mad:
some twin devils squad have good sticks
and that PONY squad....wldthing pretty good 2
probably forgot some other excellent drivers out there....could only talk about Bish or Rooks drivers, as I'm a Knight.
but our squad is no#2 over all.....for me the best are my Squaddies....no offense :D
SlowHand
4WING =441 Silver Fox=
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none of the pilots listed could beat drex in anything aproaching a fair fight. That is not to say that they aren't "smarter" or have better scores. For instance.... drex would swat widewing like a fly if they actually fought but wide is probly smart enough to run. Does that make wide a better pilot? That is really all you guys are talking about. I don't really care what the guys score is when we are fighting. I judge his skill level at the time. I don't assign any value (good or bad) to the one guy in the six (in the six vs one situation) that kills me. I don't assign any value to the B&Z guy that gets me after I have killed someone and am low, slow, damaged and out of ammo.
Drex on the other hand is hard to ignore... you come at him from the rear with an alt advantage in a better plane than his slow P47 while he is fighting two other guys and.... he spanks ya. and... you feel stupid. Better than that... you think that next time it will be different but it never is. pretty hard to argue against that kind of skill.
I think that of all the people mentioned.... drex is the one who's methods are not in question. The rest of us depend on some sort of advantage.... drex depends on you having the advantage so that you will fell safe enough to attack him so that he can kill you.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
none of the pilots listed could beat drex in anything aproaching a fair fight. That is not to say that they aren't "smarter" or have better scores. For instance.... drex would swat widewing like a fly if they actually fought but wide is probly smart enough to run. Does that make wide a better pilot? That is really all you guys are talking about. I don't really care what the guys score is when we are fighting. I judge his skill level at the time. I don't assign any value (good or bad) to the one guy in the six (in the six vs one situation) that kills me. I don't assign any value to the B&Z guy that gets me after I have killed someone and am low, slow, damaged and out of ammo.
Drex on the other hand is hard to ignore... you come at him from the rear with an alt advantage in a better plane than his slow P47 while he is fighting two other guys and.... he spanks ya. and... you feel stupid. Better than that... you think that next time it will be different but it never is. pretty hard to argue against that kind of skill.
I think that of all the people mentioned.... drex is the one who's methods are not in question. The rest of us depend on some sort of advantage.... drex depends on you having the advantage so that you will fell safe enough to attack him so that he can kill you.
lazs
Not much here I can disagree with AND, he doesn't talk smack, very modest. However, GARN (Garner in AH) is online now (from WB's) and I *know* for a fact after he gets his feet under him, he'll smack Drex around...still the best online sim pilot I've seen in 13 years of online sims.
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here is a vote. I salute all the real Allies that actually flew these planes, I really dont want to salute the Axis during those periods in WW2 that we went there to destroy cause of them being nothing but bunch of murdering people in uniform. I salute my dad (who was 1 0f 12 that survived thru a ambush when his company crossed over into Germany and 250 guys was machined gun down) and other like them that won the purple heart at the ziegfreid line and all the other battles, I salute my Uncle who won the Silver star in italy saving alot of guys from dying and in facing death did what he had to do )and all the other men like him. And i salute the guys and gals of the armed forces who lived and died in all the wars hero's or not. and I salute all the people in the armed forces now , But this is just a game and i enjoy it 100% and I thank all the guys that help me out when i was in need of help But if i dont salute you in game is cause not that i dont respect any one here. but As a vetran during the Viet nam war days I have saluted many a grave stone to guys that died in battle that i didnt even know. So i play and have fun and help anyone that askes for it or not. and appreciate all the help that you give me. So lets have fun , it is a game and if a better plane or a better pilot or if you do something wrong and one gets lucky and shoots you down be happy you can up again and continue, cuase you may be in a plane that should of been shot down by a better plane or pilot. But will send a
to all the real veterans that are in the game like my self. to you Guys and to the 332nd mongrels and 332nd vikings, two squads i have flown with cause they took the name after the real 332nd and to all the squads that took names of real squadrons. Ok had my say . Vetren days are comming up and i never forget the ones that really did Serve the US armed forces............and to the ones that will flame this well i have this to say.......................... ..... end of quote
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And yet endlessly upping at a capped base (base defense) earns your respect?
Nowhere did I speak of upping at a capped base.
Defending a base isn't necessarily the same thing IMO.
lazs is right on IMO.
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no one could possibly flame that, sarge. you nailed it on the head, it's just a game for us.
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rip... I gotta disagree.. I beat garn at least half the time in wb and I am at best mediocre (except in a ta152). Garn didn't have the ability to turn the tables like drex does. I think garn was a better shot and used/cared about an advantage better/more than drex does. Also... garn would get mad and drex doesn't.
lazs
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oh boy......
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Originally posted by lazs2
rip... I gotta disagree.. I beat garn at least half the time in wb and I am at best mediocre (except in a ta152). Garn didn't have the ability to turn the tables like drex does. I think garn was a better shot and used/cared about an advantage better/more than drex does. Also... garn would get mad and drex doesn't.
lazs
Never seen Garn get mad. He's Japanese. Very modest. Once Garn was flying low in a P38F. Two pilots jumped him with alt advantage, Drex was one I believe, and if memory serves me correct, Boa was the other both in P38L's...anyway, Garn killed both in about a 30 second period...I was higher than the rest of them, and asked Garn if he needed a hand..."no" was he reply as he killed both. Incredible.
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Hey! Does anyone else hear that sound?
Sounds like a slurping, sucking, blowing sound...
why do Drex and Garn have their pants around their ankles?
-SW
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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
why do Drex and Garn have their pants around their ankles?
The real question is why don't I?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I dunno... (http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/otn/confused/shrug03.gif)
Personally, I'd never drop my trousers around Rip or Lazs... would you? (http://216.40.241.68/contrib/lilly/aha1blue.gif)
-SW
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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
Personally, I'd never drop my trousers around Rip or Lazs... would you?
How much are they paying me?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I dunno, never enquired into that sort of thing... I'm sure Drex knows tho.
-SW
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My most memorable kill in the MA has been my ONE kill of Leviathn. It was a 2 v 1 with me and TeeeRex in La7's vs Lev's Spit 5. He absolutely refused to give us a shot and repeatedly turned the tables on the aggressor, at which point the support would turn into the aggressor and force Lev to evade. If it wasn't for Teee and myself providing excellent support for each other, Lev would have torn us both a new one. ;) It took the absolute best flying Teee and I could muster to take out Lev, and eventually I removed a wing from his Spit V.
Lev!
Was it good for you, Lev? :D
I'd also like to add that hblair is incredibly accurate with the 109G-10 tater lobber. Every time I've run into him, it seems like he lobs one right into my engine, regardless of the angle! I fear 109G-10s pointed at me solely because of him!
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Garn or Garner, whatever handle he uses.
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Originally posted by wulfie
The best Ta 152 pilot in AH is lazs2 - hands down.
*No one has ever shot down lazs2 in a Ta 152*.
Mike/wulfie
:)
lazs is also one of the best goon drivers in the game. He can get them drunks in there like nobodys business.
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hellcat, poopster and nifty, checks in the mail guys...
;)
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Hblair downloaded the fight.
Great fight, gotta start recording, never know when one will happen.
I'm watching it and there in the center of the windscreen is your gunsite.
That's exactly like mine. I made mine up, where did you find it ??
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I believe on film, any gunsight they happen to be using is replaced with 'yours', or at least the one you have set for that particular plane.
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657345 gets my vote! He just never screws up!
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So far as fun fites... Some of the most fun fites in the MA I've had have been against leviathn. He flys a spit 5 mostly and I fly a -1a mostly... It makes for some interesting fites. He makes the most of his plane. If I know it is him then I work pretty darn hard.
sorry SW... you may or may not be any good... i wouldn't know. I haven't seen you in action nor have i fought you. Of all the guys I have fought or observed tho... drex is head and shoulders above the rest.
lotta egos being being bruised here tho it seems. Maybe you guys would get a little recognition and not be so pissy tho if you just learned to fly such diverse rides as say... a 152 and a goon with equal skill like me.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
none of the pilots listed could beat drex in anything aproaching a fair fight. That is not to say that they aren't "smarter" or have better scores. For instance.... drex would swat widewing like a fly if they actually fought but wide is probly smart enough to run. Does that make wide a better pilot? That is really all you guys are talking about. I don't really care what the guys score is when we are fighting. I judge his skill level at the time. I don't assign any value (good or bad) to the one guy in the six (in the six vs one situation) that kills me. I don't assign any value to the B&Z guy that gets me after I have killed someone and am low, slow, damaged and out of ammo.
Drex on the other hand is hard to ignore... you come at him from the rear with an alt advantage in a better plane than his slow P47 while he is fighting two other guys and.... he spanks ya. and... you feel stupid. Better than that... you think that next time it will be different but it never is. pretty hard to argue against that kind of skill.
I think that of all the people mentioned.... drex is the one who's methods are not in question. The rest of us depend on some sort of advantage.... drex depends on you having the advantage so that you will fell safe enough to attack him so that he can kill you.
lazs
Can someone define for me what a fair fight is? This isn’t a boxing sim governed by unified boxing regulations. This is a aerial combat sim, where the only “rule” is to kill the enemy and return alive. Whether the enemy be the greenest noob, or the hottest ace, I will use every advantage in position, SA and equipment to shoot him down. And that’s the way it should be.
I have never had the good fortune to see Drex fly, much less actually duel with him. Based upon his reputation, I am sure I would likely find myself in deep bandini. However, I fly a Wildcat, and running is not an option. I can extend, gain some separation and maneuver for advantage, but running can’t be considered a viable solution. Do I concern myself that I may run across someone like Drex? Not in the least. Yet, I never take anyone for granted, that’s the fastest way to get killed.
Let me relate a story.
In 1864, during the Battle of the Wilderness, newly appointed to commander of the Army of the Potomac Union General U.S. Grant was beset by Corps and Division commanders who were in a near panic that Confederate General Robert E. Lee would find a way to turn the Union flank just as he had done at the Battle of Chancellorsville (on essentially the same ground). As Grant later recalled, one by one they expressed their fear that, “Bobby Lee will do this, and Bobby Lee will do that, or Bobby Lee will do a half-flip and end up in our rear.”
“The hell with Bobby Lee!” roared Grant.
“Stop thinking about what Lee is going to do to you and start thinking about what you are going to do to him!”
Gentlemen, I never worry about the skills of my enemies. I let them worry about me. If it turns out that I’ve encountered the online sim equivalent of Superman, I’ll do the best I can and let the chips fall as they may. There’s no shame in losing to the best. There’s only shame if you whine about it or make excuses. Moreover, should you screw up and get popped by a noob, take it like a man, ‘cause on any given day……
My regards,
Widewing
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The best Ta 152 pilot in AH is lazs2 - hands down.
I dunno
moot has 73 kills and has been killed 1 time in the Ta 152H.
but he cheats :)
j/k moot kicks arse
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Can someone define for me what a fair fight is?
That's a valid question. Depending on how you fly, you may never put your self in a situation of a fair fight. If you fly to live, it would be silly to put yourself in any position that would be considered fair.
Fair fights are a no-no to getting home alive. Getting all off by ones self when a pack of Ponies comes in high ruins the day. Where you fly is a prerequisite for living.
A fair fight is different depending on your skill level. The most basic being co-alt both a/c up to speed. I HAVE to take that fight. I've never turned one down.
Depending, you may feel a fair fight is any 1 on 1 one regardless of your opponents superior altitude. A "lets see what he's got" kinda thing. I'll take them, not all of them. If I'm alone, he's alone, come on down lets play. I ain't getting away anyway :) If I have countrymen that I can slide over too, I'll do that.
The scary ones take a 1 on 2 or 3 with all of them with the altitude. That's another planet type stuff, seen in done, amazing to watch. That is a "dangerous" pilot.
Win or lose, it's the fight. Amazing the people on channel 1 that have NEVER been flat bellybutton beat in a fight. There's always a reason.
You get beat, you get beat. But was it a good fight ?? Win or lose there ain't nuthin better than a good fight.
I probably lose more than I win. But even if I lose, I have that great fight to remember. A great fight is not dependent on outcome. I've lost some GREAT fights.
But when I do win them, I have an automated system that moves that persons posterior to the "butt wall" while playing "Hail to the Chief" at the same time....LOUD
...after it has played I give a speech to the assembled masses..
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Originally posted by Eagler
top 50 pilots n each aircraft k/d ratio - that's all the scoring AH really needs
the rest is kiddie litter
yup, sounds good to me
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You all suck so dont worry about the score.
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Drex is hands down the best stick in the game. Rip, I've never seen Garn fly, but I cannot imagine that he could beat drex around.
After Drex, the rest of the good sticks kidna bunch up. Levy/Gono(Nath), Fester, Wldthing, Mitsu ...
Nim
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NIMITZ! THANX BUDDY! lol...forget about BlueiceJ - I beat u in a 38 :) lol...naw I think WldThing and everyone u meantioned are better.
though!
~Wildkat/BlueiceJ~
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I wasn't seeking any accolades Lazs. :)
-SW
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Thnx for the nominations fellas very appreciated ;) :)
And im sure Drex is all rusty by now, last time i seen him on was 3 months ago? Maybe hes gone?
:D
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I remember SCOP from WBs did incredible things in that F6F. Always thought of him as definately one of the best ever. I remember one fight where I ID'd Scop down in a furball, he in a F6F up against 7 or 8 other fellas in spits and zekes....maybe a Ki84 or three, that were none to shabby by the standards of the day. By the time I got my Spit5 down into the fight there were maybe 2 or 3 guys left and scop was smoking. I figured I finally had the bastard but he snap rolled out from behind the guy he was chasing and recovered on my shocked bellybutton as I tried to climb up and over.....he burst me wide open as a virgin on prom night. I saw him finish off the remaining victims and give the salutory ....I was bummed but finally and forever more resigned to my exact location in the circle of life.
Garn, yeah. Always a fearless F6F and damned near invincible.
Damned near.........
Drex, hell...That guy could make magic in a 109. I know what lazs speaks of. I would come into a fight with that guy and try every damned trick in the book a dozen times over and he always, ALWAYS turned the tables on me. I had him figured out what with his reversals and all. Dozens and dozens of dozens of deaths had given me that false sense of knowledge that comes with age and experience. Yeah right! I ended up my daze in WBs just thinking "screw it" and would fly in front of him simply to get it over with.
I havent seen anyone approach the consistency here in AH of the best sticks in WBs. Something about the way this game is engineered seems to void the pure magic that enabled some rare sticks in WBs to fly into absolute ZERO odds and clean everyone up. Maybe its for the better but I do miss those days..........In AH teamwork makes the survivor.
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Yea Drex is pretty good. Hes alright.
:D
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Wldthing, no offense, but Drex could fly once a year and still not struggle much with anyone here. At least thats my opinion.
Nim
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DmdCoach - who'd probably say "No way"
IMHO one of the class acts in the game as well.
DmdMax
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Drex is known by several here who have offered him up as the best. I know him personally as well, and I'm here to tell you that if you don't stop, I'm going to have to listen to his inflated ego for months to come.
Seriously, not only has he paid his dues to learn his craft, he remains modest through it all....that is rare. For that reason alone, my money would be on Drex.
It's refreshing to see someone that after they hand you you're arse, they salute you and tell you good fight, inspite of the brutal truth that you don't deserve the compliment nor the consideration.
And yes, scop was very skilled indeed, but not good enough to best Drex.
The only downside to Drex are his looks....poor guy.
:)
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wide.. you are justifying and I think you are smart enough to know it. I don't care about "fair" fights. the point is... drex wins from unfair fights just like you. difference is... he works from an unfair disadvantage and you work from an unfair advantage. this has nothing to do with anything except... skill level. He is more skilled than you. you fly smarter than him but then.... everyone inthe game flys smarter than him.
So I guess drex has made "best" a blurry (at best) equation. His lack of hit percentage and his willingness to fight till he dies make his "score" relatively low. some, like yourself make the most of the fact that you can play this game risk free if you are smart enough and have relatively high scores. I am merely saying that he has more acm skills than you and that if you attack him... then, what you would normaly consider a suffiecient advantage will not be enough. You will get burned. If he attacks you.... you will not be able to defeat him on your own even with a huge alt or plane choice or position advantage.
In the arena this translates to.... Some people are scary... you attack them with an advantage and they look helpless and they somehow turn everything around and you die... Others swoop down from an advantage and you can't seem to overcome your disadvantage in time or... you never even see em...
when you reflect back (like in this thread) the former sticks out and the latter has to blow his own horn cause for some reason... ya feel like ya never really got beat by him.
lazs
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Drex is the one that stands out. There's a lot of very careful and calculating fliers here, but only drex makes my jaw drop every time.
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biguc... yeah.. that's what i was gonna say.
lazs
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Yikes, how's that? Like a hooker that see's a wad of cash and a golfball sized baggy of crack?
Anyway, just how do you get so good in flightsims? Never understood that. Practice or what?
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Drex is the indirect creator of the common used expression in combat sims...WTF?
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"I am the Strongest" (Kurgan, Highlander 1)
Im not impressed by any of the previous submissions. (la7 dweebery and shipgunning is for suxors)
have a nice day.... :)
DoctorYo
Ps: spare me the cheerleading and propaganda... My wading boots are already pretty muddy from the 99% win percentage posted earlier. Ill take that bet, my paypal account is waiting for your funds. :eek:
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What the hell... I'll jump on the Drex is God bandwagon...
Apache nailed it:
"Drex is the indirect creator of the common used expression in combat sims...WTF?"
Watching him at work is a sureal experience.
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Again, Im serious. (Other than Laz and the crew bending down with the mouths open) where does this show take place?
I've shot the toejam out of Nath with plenty of warper complaints inbetween his deaths on me, but this Drex invincible fellow?
Even HitechCreations in Con updates made him seem legendary.
Where do I fly to witness the master take on Spits in a low P47? Films for me... I wanna know.
Exile's Ladder?
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Creamo:
If you want to see film of him kicking the toejam of a P-38 while he is flying a Ju-88 send me your email (jayb@exmsft.com). I'll even include the description of what is going on.
Hooligan
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Hooligan, that's nothing extraordinary... I did that back when the Ju88 first came out... against a P38...
Now, 3 P38s... that'd be something.
-SW
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I never give compliments but i do state the obvious from time to time.
sorry creamo.. I'm sure you're the best at something too and... you are probly ok at this sim stuff but like SW... i just haven't seen it.
this thread allways brings out the thin skinned and insecure..
lazs
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Originally posted by Creamo
Where do I fly to witness the master take on Spits in a low P47? Films for me... I wanna know.
I've got some films somewhere of Drex's low P-47 taking on my Spit.
Oh, wait. He dies in those though. Still want 'em? :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Yeah Lazs, that's it..."thin-skinned" and "insecure"... nevermind I didn't ever say anything about my skill, or anyone elses for that matter....
I don't need to have my knob publicy polished for me to think I'm good... just the simple mention of whose considered good in these threads is enuff for me...
-SW
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No Hooligan, because if that would be Animal or Central in a P38, Ithey'd a cut that toejamcake JU-88 in half, mid "Knee pad sporting, Laz2 Jaw Dropping" wonderful ACM.
I'll put some hard cash on it.
Wanna gamble?
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Originally posted by lazs2
this thread allways brings out the thin skinned and insecure..
I'm actually really surprised at how few thin-skinned folks have shown up in this thread so far. Drex is a worthy opponent and deserves accolades. It think it's tough for anyone to deny that, thin-skinned or not. By the same token, I think Nath is incredible and deserves all the recognition he's gotten.
The problem with any "best" thread is that I cannot imagine a "best" in my head. At some point, there are such minute differences in talent levels that anybody can beat anybody else on any given day given any number of variables. I think Drex would have a hard time with any number of the people mentioned in this thread, and even if he wins every fight he'd have to earn the hell out of it. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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And I'll give DNF this, unlike Nath who I could shoot down actually, never without terrific lag excuses, he'll show up in any thread and never disappoint me that talks about good pilots.
But I never could kill him. Darn.
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There's truth in what lazs says, I don't know about being the best at Ta152, but to be likened to it, what an honour :cool:
This isn't nearly good enough, I must do better.
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**** ATTENTION ****
This is obligatory part of the thread where I point out that Drex, in fact, sucks.
Thank you, and please carry on as you were.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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creamo... think about it. as usual... I am right. to disagree is to simply be perverse and masochistic. Why do this to yourself?
lazs
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drex sux!!!
But he sure is a nice guy for an OU fan:D
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Anytime this Drex guy wants to prove how good he is, Dago is willing to bet a weeks pay on a duel.
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Poor old drex. Dudes not even here and there's a big controversy going on about him.
Things that helps the drex legend:
1. Good guy. He's never abrasive, likeable humble guy.
2. He shows up at the con and wins the 2 vs. 2's every year. That helps.
3. He's got the BK's cheerleading for him. When you see Lazs, a scruffy old codger, doing backflips for drex it leaves the impression that drex must rewl.
I gotta agree with DMF. There are a handful of pilots in this game who are up there at the top and on any given day can own the others, just depends on if it's their day or not.
:)
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If he can beat Animal or Central when they sport P38's and "Drex The GOD" is in a JU88, Ill buy his account till Christmas.
If he signs up for Exiles Ladder, I'll buy his next month as long as he fwd's Laz2's emails to me.
"Gosh, my mouth, it stopped and dropped". Fly boy, fly! Stunning! Gosh! WOW! Do that acm stuff...
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moot, urchin, wotan - all who like LW rides - bow before your master.
He lays claim to something none of us can lay claim to - he has never been shot down while flying a Ta 152 in AH.
Mike/wulfie
:)
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I'll jump on the drex bandwagon too. Although I've never had a run in with him here, he did make a fool out of me a couple times in WBs. One time that comes to mind is when 4 352nd jumped him with an alt. advantage and he killed every single one of us. Anybody that knows the 352nd from WBs knows that it has some pretty capable pilots, it was the most amazing flying I've ever seen in any sim since I started back in 99.
Oh yea Kanth is pretty damn good too:p
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Certainly Laz2 is polishing DREX's stick and pushing him out to prove he can beat Animal or Central in their P38's, with "Master JU-88" legendary ACM.
Buck up pony or snuggle with Laz2.
What a fake.
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Originally posted by Creamo
Certainly Laz2 is polishing DREX's stick and pushing him out to prove he can beat Animal or Central in their P38's, with "Master JU-88" legendary ACM.
Buck up pony or snuggle with Laz2.
What a fake.
Please clarify as I cannot understand what in the world you are trying to say.
Thanks:)
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And should push him out into at least play where people see "this master", like Exiles Ladder before Laz2's drool dries on his flight pants.
Does this mean I have to explain everything and pick on you Rude from now on?
Deal.
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Drex is the best I know in the game.
Way back before my 13th Tas days drex took me along with him in 51D's to a field that was being vultched by the rooks.
There were 11 cons there, I know this because thats how many kills Drex landed.
The cool part was he entered the fight at 4k.
After the fight I apologized for not getting any kills, he saluted me for a great effort and added that I helped distract enough of them so he could concentrate on 3-4 at a time.
Class act in all aspects of the game
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Originally posted by lazs2
wide.. you are justifying and I think you are smart enough to know it. I don't care about "fair" fights. the point is... drex wins from unfair fights just like you. difference is... he works from an unfair disadvantage and you work from an unfair advantage. this has nothing to do with anything except... skill level. He is more skilled than you. you fly smarter than him but then.... everyone inthe game flys smarter than him.
So I guess drex has made "best" a blurry (at best) equation. His lack of hit percentage and his willingness to fight till he dies make his "score" relatively low. some, like yourself make the most of the fact that you can play this game risk free if you are smart enough and have relatively high scores. I am merely saying that he has more acm skills than you and that if you attack him... then, what you would normaly consider a suffiecient advantage will not be enough. You will get burned. If he attacks you.... you will not be able to defeat him on your own even with a huge alt or plane choice or position advantage.
In the arena this translates to.... Some people are scary... you attack them with an advantage and they look helpless and they somehow turn everything around and you die... Others swoop down from an advantage and you can't seem to overcome your disadvantage in time or... you never even see em...
when you reflect back (like in this thread) the former sticks out and the latter has to blow his own horn cause for some reason... ya feel like ya never really got beat by him.
lazs
I'm not arguing that Drex isn't the best. I'm not implying that my skills are anything remotely close to his. This is not an issue whatsoever.
I think that you have missed the point of the Grant/Lee story. Of all the battlefield commanders who ever lived, Lee is perhaps the most studied in “war colleges” around the globe. He was brilliant battlefield tactician, although sometimes considered a bit impetuous at times. No one in the Union army could consider themselves as being even remotely close to Lee in skill.
This is why Grant’s Corps Commanders were so anxious. Grant, on the other hand didn’t care about what Lee might do, he was more concerned with what he (Grant) was going to do.
And thus it is in the MA. I know there are pilots out there with greater ACM skills than I have. Quite a few, actually, and I’m sure you do also. So what? It sure as hell hasn’t prevented me from shooting them down, has it? Yet, these same pilots almost never shoot me down. Why do you think that is? Ponder it for a moment and then read on.
Back in late 1944, the Eighth Air Force issued a training document that was compiled and written by successful combat pilots. It was distributed to newly arriving pilots as they attended “Clobber College”, the 8th’s combat training school.
Unlike Shaw, this document is focused exclusively on tactics, or simply stated, what happens before and after guns are fired. The good news is that it has been reprinted and can be found at Amazon.com. Look for the Osprey title, The Long Reach.
We fly in an environment that is frequently different from that which existed in the ETO, circa 1944. However, the basic tactics can be adapted and used with great effectiveness.
I have stated before, that if I must depend upon ACM to kill the enemy or simply survive, I’ve already screwed the pooch. The tactics I use are designed to negate any advantage in ACM skills, and for the most part, they do. I fully understand that many, if not most players enjoy the challenge of furballing. Generally, I do not. Therefore, over the past 6 months I have worked on developing tactics that allow me to kill and not be killed. This has proven to be undeniably effective.
Finally, In December of 1941, Japan’s Army and Naval Air Forces were densely populated with pilots highly skilled at ACM. When these pilots encountered the AVG in Burma and China they suffered tremendous losses to the tactics of Claire Chennault. Those tactics revolved around speed, surprise and the art of ambush. Eventually, these same tactics were adopted by U.S. Army, Navy and Marines. By the end of the war, Japanese fighter pilot deaths exceeded 90%. In comparison, the losses experienced by U.S. fighter pilots were in the range of 8-9% (to all causes).
Whether or not you can appreciate my “style” of flying is irrelevant. Nothing succeeds quite like success. Indeed, the greatest skills become moot if you do not have opportunity to utilize them. My intent is to deny them that opportunity.
I am not adverse to furballing in the TA for the fun of it. However, once in the MA, I fly by my rules and not those wished upon me.
My regards,
Widewing
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Yes but do you have to fly with him, he hogs all the kills.
:D
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ummm...who is this Drex guy, anyway?
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creamo = skilled
i think hes the best by far
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One way or another stats always have flukes. Not convincing to show perfect K/D, you could make a new account, dodge every death and still kill left and right, that's not convincing.
Bowing to one's master that's what you do with due respect, in RL.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Best pilots of the game?
The ones that keep their mouth shut (Off CH. 1) and do the talking to their sticks! Thats who! ;)
Uh, but I've heard you end up with hairy palms?
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i nominate the BDP...that fukn website is funny as hell......lololololo everytime i see ur link i go just to smile:)...thx nath
Our CO would be perfect in the BDP crew...40Dog...u guys seen his pic??.
Love BiGB
xoxox
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To me, there are quite a few players in this game who could be considered among the best, for a variety of reasons:
A lot of guys can handle one particular ride so well that they are nearly impossible to beat when they are in it.
Some even come out on top in obsolete rides again and again.
Others often fight well at a great energy or numerical disadvantage.
Some never seem to lose one on ones.
Quite a few understand ACM very well and have great SA.
Some always seem to be in the right place at the right time.
A number do a great job of never allowing themselves to get into a disadvantageous situation.
Many can fly almost anything well.
Some just make you do stupid things when you seem to have everything going for you.
A few are just downright clever and always seem to think outside the box.
Some players are great at achieving various team oriented strategic objectives.
And then there are those who have many of these attributes.
For these reasons, there are too many to list whom I consider "among the best".
But then there are those very few who have almost all of the above attributes, and consistently have them to the highest degree. Lots of players have done a number of amazing things, a few do amazing things all the darn time. These are the guys who are always able to clean my clock, whatever the situation. There are a few guys out there who are so much better than me at nearly everything, that I can't really tell them apart. I can't even find one skill that I out-do them in. Not even one way that I can rationalize that I might be comparable to them in the slightest way...
Proven over time, these two are truly the best in my book:
Mitsu & Fester
Personally, I can't include players like Nath, CUCKOO, and others, because I just haven't run into them all that often. I know them mostly by reputation and/or statistics. Clearly they are great, but I don't know how they compare to Fester and Mitsu.
And then there's Drex.
He had a heck of a reputation, but had hardly logged any online hours and all of his stats were good, but not outstanding. I was wondering what all the buzz was about...
Then I met him at the con 2 years ago. Jarbo and I fought him and egle in 109Fs in our first match of the 2 v 2 ladder. Jarbo and I had been flying the 109F for months, and we had winged together with a phone link for years. We could hold our own in the old 109 in all kinds of situations. It was our ride. Drex and egle had to set up veiws before the fight, they'd never flown it. Jarbo went with egle and I fought Drex. Very quickly, I was on his six within kill range. Near black-out, I just couldn't get my nose high enough to get a firing solution on him. Then he was above me, then behind me, then he shot my wing off.
The P-47 fight was embarrassing. I just hate that old dump truck. Drex flew it like a spit. I still hate it.
Drex doesn't have the experience, and doesn't do as many different things as Fester and Mitsu, But the fact that he is so damn good with so little practice sets him apart. I'm sure that he could adapt to Mitsu and Fester's level of expertise at nearly everything very quickly. Even though the only two times that I've ever run into him online, I've found him sound asleep, I know better than to assume much from it.
eskimo
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Never (luckily) bumped into Drex.
In a Ki61 Mitsu/Hermit rules.
Plus he is a nice chap, and contributes to the AH community extensively.
palef.
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moot, urchin, wotan, all others applicable:
It's a big inside joke between lazs2 and I.
I am willing to bet that lazs2 has never, and never will, fly a Ta 152 online.
He doesn't like perk aircraft. He doesn't like LW aircraft. He basically doesn't like anything but F4Us. :)
So, having never flown a Ta 152 online, I could gurantee he's been killed less in them than all of you. :)
Mike/wulfie
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After flying in the range of 40 hours a month since 98 I should be one BAD MOTHER.
I'm not, in fact I'm not even close. Though it's not for lack of trying.
Some people have a natural ability on doing "certain" things. For one it may be music, for another it tweeking an engine for the last ounce of power.
For some it's thinking in three dimensions, angles, thinking out of the box. It's a natural, although in most cases studied. Studied with results :)
I'm studied.....I suck :D
I've come to terms with my...suckage..
What I find refreshing, is that the ones that are "good" at this adventure we all aspire to do, are for the most part humble in there expertise.
You know who they are :)
Gentlemen.
I say "most", because those that aren't I could care less about.
Mines bigger than yours and see what I can do ??
Like I care. In a word...blow me.
I was a body builder for 15 years. ( quite old and saggy now :) ) Know what it's like to be "different". Did some amateur competing. Was fun actually walking into a bar for the doubletakes..
Spent my time teaching at a gym for those that "wanted" to do what I did. Beating up old highschool bullies or baiting poor little bar tuffies wasn't required for some strange reason.
Have a very close friend that's a 4th degree black belt. You'd never know it meeting him, he has nothing to prove, he knows :)
Quite a few good sticks here...and at WB. The ones with class I salute' They "know" and thats all that's required.
The ones without class, I laugh at.
There tits are green.
The thing is, everyone else sees nothing but green tits :eek:
And they don't know it :D
How dumb it that ?
The passion for the game is why we're here. Those that realize that, are the class of the group, regardless of there individual abilities.
And that's shown on a daily basis, one way, or the other.. ;)
...old poop struggles and puts the soapbox back in the closet.. had 21 inch hooks, now has trouble with walking upright..
...not to mention the "accidents"...
Honey ???
:D
P.S. Well said Eskimo :)
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Widewing,
The pre 1941 trained IJA and IJN pilots were better trained and more selectively screened than any wartime USAAF/USN/USMC pilots/Aviators. NOTE: This is *not* saying that no wartime USAAF/USN/USMC pilot/Aviator was as good or better than any pre 1941 trained IJA/IJN pilot. I'm talking about training.
The main problem was aircraft design - IJA/IJN aircraft didn't protect their pilots at all really. The only reason alot of US pilots ever survived to become experienced and really good was due to the sturdy construction and superior pilot protection of their aircraft.
A 'smart' pilot is a USN F6F Aviator who sticks to wingman and flight attacks and doesn't make stupid mistakes or exercise poor judgement in the heat of battle. He's fairly effective and contributes to the success of his team.
A 'totally f*cking amazing' pilot is Sakai, who 1 on 16, on the deck, in a slower aircraft, with basically no armor, evades 16 attacking F6Fs for an insane ammount of time while getting to a friendly AAA umbrella, and manages to get some decent % shots off at some of the F6F...while never being hit by enemy fire. There is a world of difference in terms of skill between this and 'knowing to surprise A6Ms in your P-40 when possible and to dive thru them after your gun pass and don't turn'.
Take a 'smart' pilot and put him up against Sakai 1 on 1 and the smart money is on Sakai every time.
But in actual warfare - it's better to have 240 'smart' pilots with good training in pair/flight/squadron tactics with survivable/rugged aircraft than it is to have 4 or 5 'totally f*cking amazing' pilots and 210 'good/experienced' pilots without the same emphasis on flight and squadron tactics in aircraft that have no pilot protection.
In war it's better to have 160 competent F6Fs that use wingman tactics than it is to have 80 experienced and skilled A6Ms, even if the A6Ms are superior 1 on 1 or even 2 on 2.
IJA/IJN pilots couldn't get 'unlucky' a single time. USN/USMC/USAAF pilots lived to learn from numerous mistakes and/or unlucky situations because their aircraft gave them the chance.
It's hard for some to accept (widewing - I'm not talking about you here), but many times throughout history the victors in a conflict have not had the most skilled warriors. Skilled warriors can be defeated by less skilled warriors with the advantage of superior #s and superior logistics. That is WW2 in a nutshell. People need to get over it, because they are focusing on the wrong thing in terms of 'National Pride'. Skill isn't anything to 'worship' - bravery is another thing entirely. There were Ju 88 pilots who in 1941 were truly awesome attack pilots. Very experienced and very effective. A green B-17F pilot over France in late 1942 is their peer in my book every time. Skill and experience come over time. Bravery is the trait to admire. To go into France, against the best fighter pilots in the world at that time (JG 26, JG 2), without fighter cover for the middle 50% of your flying time - how could you not admire that type of nerve and devotion to duty?
By 1944, your average USAAF pilot or USN/USMC Aviator was of superior skill and capability when compared to his average counterpart. It wasn't this skill discrepancy in 1944 that decided the conflicts on both seas however. Over NWE the LW was doomed when even though it was trading one aircrew per ten aircrew vs. the USAAF and RAF in 1943, it was still falling behind in 'the numbers game'.
The RAF pilots were more experienced as a group than the USAAF pilots over NWE. Technically, they had superior experience and thus probably superior skill. But it wasn't RAF skill that killed the entire LW as an airforce (note: they killed alot of aircraft for sure, an admirable accomplishment). It was the hordes of rugged P-47s, flown by competent if not amazing (not amazing until they gained the experience to become amazing mind you) 'new' USAAF pilots, that drew the LW into a battle of attrition it could never have won. It lost even more quickly due to stupid demands imposed on it's leadership by Nazi officials with no current knolwedge of air combat (Goering forcing Galland to oppose every single raid against Germany for example).
I can't recall the exact quote, but it goes something like 'real generals study logistics'. During the WW2 era this was a very true statement.
Mike/wulfie
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Hey wulf, do you ever post anything goofy or do you always post highly detailed, well researched, and clearly relevant topics to ah.
:)
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I recall you mentioning you were in the Navy. Im assuming you must be on a ship cas when you Navy guys are on shore, youre all a buncha drunks.
:D
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No fleet duty for me. That's real work. :)
All fleet deployed BMs, HTs, etc. :)
Mike/wulfie
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Originally posted by poopster
After flying in the range of 40 hours a month since 98 I should be one BAD MOTHER.
I'm not, in fact I'm not even close. Though it's not for lack of trying.
Some people have a natural ability on doing "certain" things. For one it may be music, for another it tweeking an engine for the last ounce of power.
For some it's thinking in three dimensions, angles, thinking out of the box. It's a natural, although in most cases studied. Studied with results :)
I'm studied.....I suck :D
I've come to terms with my...suckage..
You don't suck poop. In fact, I find you a much better than average pilot. I think you take excessive risk, and that hurts your results. But, you certainly don't suck.
There's one guy I fly with now and again, and he couldn't have worse SA if he were blind. He doesn't care, 'cause he's having fun. Nonetheless, HE truly sucks! In fact, if the noise generated by his suckiness were heard in Kansas, half the population would be in storm cellars. :D
By the way, you knew it had to happen sooner or later: I had enough time to fly a few sorties tonight, and while fighting with a pair of La-7s, our CV got whacked by the SBs. Uh oh, not much gas left. So I figured that if I'm gonna land my two kills, I had better untangle myself and skedaddle. Those La-7s went elsewhere after they were both pinged, and I used the growing darkness to disengage. I flew about a full sector to our nearest field, a port. As I arrived it started flashing... Ahhrrgg! Well, it was a panzer and I strafed him and started it smoking. I figured that would keep him away from the VH where I intended to land. I had also picked up a rider in the form of ET2 who sent a join message. With flaps and gear down, I lined up to land. Just then, a red icon appears Co-alt! A damned TBM! Well, up come the gear and flaps. I engaged, chased him down and shot off the glass tail. Once again, I start the landing drill, when the engine dies.... No gas. It doesn't look like I'll make the VH, but I should be able to land and take the "ditch". Man, it's dark, but the Wildcat settles on her gear and I roll out. Then suddenly, and object appears, too close to avoid. Wham! "You have died" came the message. Gosh %$#&*@!!!!
That loss halved my fighter K/D! :D Easy come, easy go.... ;) Oh well, I needed to work on my bomber score anyway. Reality has a way of getting one's attention, you know?
My regards,
Widewing
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Yeah Wulfie, it had an odd ring to it :D
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"Quite a few good sticks here...and at WB. The ones with class I salute' They "know" and thats all that's required.
The ones without class, I laugh at.
There tits are green.
The thing is, everyone else sees nothing but green tits "
LOL poopie! that about says it. the guys who can't even reply (or start) a thread that is about the clolor of the landing gear without describing their latest 12 kill sortie in painful (and somewhat one sided) detail.... I think they know they look like a pompous bellybutton but they simply can't help themselves.... "look at me..Look at me! nooo noo I'm over here, don't look at that guy"
Soo... creamo.. who do you think is "the best"? Or, do you simply feel that since flight sims are so simple.... everyone is equal? Perhaps you feel that (lol) animal or central are good?
lazs
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Hi Lazs.
Mitsu,Drex and Fester are all unreal. They're on a level beyond me I think.
The game is loaded w/good sticks.
I am not one of them.
xBAT
P.S. Bye Lazs.
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Pretty much sums up military pilots:
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I would have to say that with out a doubt I am the best pilot in this game.
Just ask xbat about my deflection shooting skillzzzzzz.
:D
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I've witnessed my squadmates Helm and Goth do some outrageous manuevers.
This isn't to blow sunshine up their bellybutton either. They're damn good sticks. Both of them have taught me so much. I'm still blown away.
Whels, you are good stick as well.
Karaya2
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Originally posted by Udie
I would have to say that with out a doubt I am the best pilot in this game.
Just ask xbat about my deflection shooting skillzzzzzz.
:D
yes...yes it is. unreal.... :)
xBat
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Karaya is just trying to blow smoke up my arse...he must want something. Anyway, I'm humble enough to realize that, although I feel that I am a good stick, I am far from the best.
Drex is just plain unreal at times. Has moves that are just scarey.
Fester has uncanny gunnery.
These guys and many more are at levels way above me. No way I could consistently take them out, yet be careful of the pedestals we place them on.
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I don't care about the best pilot. But, overall, AH's pilots are better today :D
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Soo... creamo.. who do you think is "the best"? Or, do you simply feel that since flight sims are so simple.... everyone is equal? Perhaps you feel that (lol) animal or central are good?
lazs [/B]
Geez Laz, I was just yanking your chain, I'm a bit taken back you can be goofed on so easily.
Anyway, I don't think flightsims are easy. I played Empire Earth with a guy at work and he was bellybutton kicking. My civilization looked like a toejamcake, he had walls and stuff that looked like an architect was in charge.
I still don't know how you get good at flightsims other than basic ACM, really. That's a pretty easy to comprehend viewpoint.
In that regards, no one ever made me drop my jaw or pants, but I won't argue with your online experience.
And I'll stand by Animal and Central winning against a JU88 in a P38. It's mastering the obvious, not "jaw dropping" or saying who is good.
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I fought Animal for the first time today, and he didn't make any noticeable mistakes. We had a very fun Pony/Spitfire scissor fight to the deck, and I eventually had to bugger out because I couldn't get a line on him. He was even quite gracious after the fight.
My votes for the best players in the game go to Levi and Frenchy though. I was fighting Frenchy's P47 with my 38 a couple months back, and he pulled off a move I've never seen before to get me. Leviathn is in that group, because in my opinion he's the best in a plane that so many have spent so much time in. I'd also have to add AGJV into that muddle as my favourite LW pilot to fight (and to wing with). Very smart pilot.
Honorable mentions go to:
Leftfoot - Excellent p47 fighter
Specs - Great fighter in everything I've seen him fly
hblair - Had a few great 38/109 fights with him recently
Shane - He's silly at times but he's great in a pony (not so much in la7).
I've probably missed a lot of players, but off the top of my head...they're the ones who I enjoy fighting the most. It's just too bad I only get to run into them once or twice a month.
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awwww gee, manx, thanks. :) i've gotten way more comfy with the laffer now, tho' perhaps we'll meet up again soon.
i agree levi is a great stick - he could do well in anything if he chose.. he just likes to dweeb out in the spit5. (i'm his damn chew toy)
nath is very good. i've yet to encounter drex, but i'll take levi's word.
hblair and frenchy both real good at throttle control to force overshoots in their respective rides.
wldthing is very good in a pony, altho i've rarely encountered him in MA.. we've done duels a lot.
urchin and moot come to mind. and hazed isn't afraid to engage and is pretty good.
nimitz of course when he's on his game and not rusty from real life distractions.
manx has come a good ways with his 38, as well as akak (altho akak is my personal chew toy, hehe)
there are quite a few others that will give you a good fight. most tend to be around squaddies so it's not so easy to weigh them from my usual 1 on 1 or 2 perspective, but they do fly well with their wingies. nothing wrong with good "wing" tactics per se, but a loose mob isn't "wing" tactics. :eek:
more keep coming up from the ranks every month.
now if ya'll could only learn a 3 on 1 isn't really necessary when you see a low la7 or pony off the main hamstard trail who's merely looking for a nice 1 on 1 or 2 - usually from a disadvantage. in furballs and base ops, anything goes.
i'm really a nice guy - it just frustrates me i don't see more people taking their lumps and getting better for themselves, instead taking the easy, read: gangbang way out. the war *never* ends, and as the poopster says... it's the "fight" win or lose, that is to be lived for.
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I haven't played much anyone enough yet to know enough, I've still a lot of rust to get rid of since I stopped playing a year ago, and my computer setup is as slow as a dead snail and so clumsy it makes my aim as sloppy as a wet burrito.
But ill say this: Frenchy (and a few others, but they don't need to be mentionned here, that's another story) is the only player who will equilibrate fun and challenge.
He'll fly against you with different maneuvers and figures to make it fun; original tactics, but also not go direct for the killshot at the slightest mistake and end the match before foreplay is even done with; fun: you can end a fight with one shot down and both neither won nor lost.
Most players are too brutal by habit to let this happen.
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It's ok creamo.. I am sensitive but I will no doubt recover.
I think it is important tho for you to understand that with us straight guys... we can admire the skill of another male without "dropping to our knees"... I don't condem yur lifestyle tho as I am very progressive and tolerant of you perverts.....as everyone knows. I suppose it is simply a matter of preference.
lazs
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Once Exile gets the head 2 head ladder up...
:D
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At this year's con, a few guys grabbed Drex and "forced" him to go online to show them how he does his reversal. It went something like this:
Drex: Ok here he comes, now I do this... (joystick moves a little)
Host: Kill of overshooting dweeb awarded to Drex
Drex: See? No? Ok, I'll do it again... see how he dives in...
(Drex moves the stick a little, pulls trigger)
Host: Kill of another overshooting dweeb awarded to Drex
Drex: Did you get that? No? Ok, here comes another one...
*repeat x8*
Drex: Hmmm I need a beer... *walks away*
Watching Crowd: *&^$&^$%& did YOU see what he did? No? I didn't either! Did he film it? Damn, I think he's posessed...
8 kills trying to demonstrate a single defensive move. I've only seen that before when Mili was demonstrating his stall-spin turn in the P-38 waaaaaay back in WB 1.x
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Yeah i seen 2 of Mr.Drexes movies..1 where he fights Tac in P38 vs Drex- Ju88 and the 1 where he goes around and gets kills by doing them creative reversals. He can reverse very well. Turns on the dime.
Im impressed :)
If anyone of you want to see any of these movies
-- P38 vs Ju88
-- Drex in P47
Post your email adress and will send you the movie.
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I'll have a looksee :)
nopoops190@worldnet.att.net
Not trusting the boards email thingy of late.
Thanks
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Who is this Drex guy, and why is he always killing me?
Bastige :p
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My 02 cents. The best pilots in AH in my humble opinion are Drex, Leviathon, Torque, and Fester.
They are all good and deadly as hell. Killing is not a problem for any of them as well as many others who I did not name. However these four can handle multiple bogey engagments. I listed them in that order because its what I have observed in the arena. Drex handles multiple bandits the best followed by Leviathon (though Spit is fantastic, levi is dam good also), then torque, and lastly fester.
Though fester doesnt handle multiple bandits like the others, his aim is UBER as hell and he has the nerves to pull off a f@king unbelievable kill string. That in itself is another catagory of achievment.
EDIT: In reality though, in the arena I think Leviathon can handle the most number of multiple banits though (as compared to Drex) because his Spitfire is more capable in that kinda fight than Drex P-38. I still think Drex has a tad bit more than Levi.
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when was the last time these guys died so fast?
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Whats your handle torque?
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Torque!
Your among the living!
CC that Hblair, what's your new handle Torque?
eskimo
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Originally posted by DMax
DmdCoach - who'd probably say "No way"
IMHO one of the class acts in the game as well.
DmdMax
Except for the one big drawback Max.. Hes TEXAN:}
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Originally posted by WldThing
Yeah i seen 2 of Mr.Drexes movies..1 where he fights Tac in P38 vs Drex- Ju88 and the 1 where he goes around and gets kills by doing them creative reversals. He can reverse very well. Turns on the dime.
Im impressed :)
If anyone of you want to see any of these movies
-- P38 vs Ju88
-- Drex in P47
Post your email adress and will send you the movie.
I'd be very interested in seeing both those films. Doing proper reversals is something that I've still got to further develop, mine only work about 55% of the time. Thanks in advance :)
Ack-Ack
awarharry@cox.net
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shot me the films please : fdejager@free.Fr
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Id like to see the films as well please
heres the email pooh109g6@yahoo.de
Thanks!
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Share with the less fortunate...
gamestorm@yahoo.com
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Yet another film request.......
miked62@insight.rr.com
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after one of you seals downloads the film(s) go upload it to:
http://films.aceshigh.furballcentral.com/
:D
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For the reccord I've met Drex one single time online ... (*)
some 1.5 year ago ..
I'm still under medication and from time to time I wake up in the middle of the night screaming and sweating ;)
(*) it was a fair fight : he was out of everything and I was full of all (shit included :D)
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LOL I've never met him but for some strange reason I'm flying above him regardless of which game I'm in :confused: and just fly above and watch..
I figure I'd be more of a distraction than anything else..
Poop dives in to "help" and augers kind of thing :D
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Originally posted by Shane
manx has come a good ways with his 38, as well as akak (altho akak is my personal chew toy, hehe)
CHEATER!! La7 DWEEB! CHERRY PICKER!!
One of these days, I'm going to spot that reversal in time and nail you. Of course probably when Hell freezes over but I'll do it, unless I get bit by a scorpion and have a heart attack or something :D
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by akak
CHEATER!! La7 DWEEB! CHERRY PICKER!!
One of these days, I'm going to spot that reversal in time and nail you. Of course probably when Hell freezes over but I'll do it, unless I get bit by a scorpion and have a heart attack or something :D
Ack-Ack
second page... bnz38.zip (no, it's not you)... he took his sweet time before i finally got the shot.
http://films.aceshigh.furballcentral.com/
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WldThing ...
If you could send those movies to ...
slapsht@snet.net
it would be much appreciated.
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Shane, please only post the films of me winning.
Thanks. :)
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I'd ask him the same thing.... except I don't think he's got any of me losing! :p
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One of the best and a gentleman to boot ... iceMAW
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Originally posted by Urchin
I'd ask him the same thing.... except I don't think he's got any of me losing! :p
i try to use MA films only... hmmm where's that one in your pony-d that lead up to that cutesy subthread about HO's from Suave?
:p
i did post one DA film 51 v 51 with rude as an example of BnZ defense - sorta...
but, hey! don't let me be the only one posting films. if you guys have any that you think are simply kickass or impart some technique or lesson... by all means, upload 'em.
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Wow slappy thanks for the metion. Alltho I dont stand a chance in hell against most of the names mentioned in this post.
I am very proud of the gentleman part.
Thank again slappy =S=
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Best pilots I have run into are pilots that can consistently defeat me even though I have the advantage. Two of the best at this are FRENCHY and LEVIATHN. I have had both these guys 2 v 1 before, and ended up in the tower before both of them. Leviathn must have 8 monitors cause he can track every bandit around him. Frenchy has a turn around move that makes the great Houdini look silly.
I must also list FESTER as much as I hate to admit it as possibly the best shot I have ever seen. I have a nervous condition that still haunts me whenever someone says "that is Fester in that 110". My hand starts jerking the stick around in random uncontrollable movements until I finally hit the ground.
Finally, although I have not even flown against Drex, I must list him as a great pilot due to the many posts about his flying greatness. I will be sure to make a permanent record of the time that I eventually fall victim to his guns.
I also must list two exceptional pilots that are also great guys for spending some time helping me learn how to be a better stick. HBLAIR and KAPPA. Both great guys that make flying in the AH community a great place to be.
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Now where are those movies of me woopin Shane? :D
K all those that requested Movies...I have sent them... All 12 of em heh.
I hope i did it right :)
Have Fun!
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Originally posted by WldThing
Now where are those movies of me woopin Shane? :D
K all those that requested Movies...I have sent them... All 12 of em heh.
I hope i did it right :)
Have Fun!
if you find any, or have any good MA films, upload 'em to :
http://films.aceshigh.furballcentral.com/
it's an easy painless process even a noob like you can do.
:p
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hblair..
Torque has been back a long time now, thought most knew. Though he traded Big Blue in for the N1, he goes under the handle Knuckles. I love flying with him as your survivablity goes up :)
I am at the moment Squadless and hope to wing with Torque as we tend to do well winging.
Dog out............
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After my 2 encounters tonight with Leviathan, I give him the vote.
He single handedly destroyed 5 years of confidence in my own abilities in 15 minutes. :D
As far as I could tell, during niether of these encounters did I cause him the slightest inconveince.