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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: leonid on November 11, 1999, 05:36:00 AM
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I've always wondered just how many of us are 'historical buffs', and how many are 'aviation buffs'. Of course, we're all aviation buffs, but when I use the term 'historical buff' I mean aviation wrt how it was applied in WWII. Some of us are just gaga about anything that flew in WWII, and some only feel that way about a single aircraft. Some of us have an interest in a specific air force during the war, or a specific side. Others hold great interest in the application of airpower during WWII, be that in general or in some delineated, or national form.
My two questions to all of you are:
1) How much of your enjoyment of WWII flight sims revolves around a specific aircraft, a specific type, or a specific air force?
2) Do you prefer an online environment that simulates WWII air operations without any historically national delineations, or do you prefer an historical WWII-like environment, complete with different theaters of operations and their respective aircraft? [if I'm confusing you, this question really is asking if you like 'open arenas' or 'historical arenas']
Remember, we're talking about air operations. I'm not asking if you want to drive a tank, or run around with a PPSh40 burp gun. Keep it in the skies (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[Added at Flathat's request: Please, please, please! No flaming here! I merely want to see what everyone is interested in. Thanks a bunch for keeping it clean thus far (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)]
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129 IAP VVS RKKA
[This message has been edited by leonid (edited 11-11-1999).]
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Hi Leonid.
1) I'm pretty much only interested in the Finnish Air Force's actions in WW2. Can't really compare any other nation's performance to FAF's... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
2) Historical. Definately. With rolling planesets of course.
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Camouflage
XO, Lentolaivue 34
www.muodos.fi/LLv34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34)
"The really good pilots use their superior judgement to keep them out of situations
where they might be required to demonstrate their superior skill."
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1) I am interested in Luftwaffe, fighters particularly, 109 even more particularly.
2) Strictly historical, no Quake type arenas please.
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Hristo,
I/JG 51
Jagdgeschwader 51 Mölders (http://jg51.cjb.net)
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All the types that flew in WW2.
Historical, mission oriented arena matchups a priority.
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1. Primarily Luftwaffe aircraft. Once the 190 comes out you'll have to pry me out of the cockpit with a crowbar (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
(http://users.bigpond.com/afinlayson/personal/j190a8.jpg)
2. Historical Arena with short icon ranges. Then again, this probably goes hand in hand with my preference for the 190. 8500yd icon ranges sure make it interesting trying for a surprise bounce... to say nothing of the all-encompassing F3 view (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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C.O. Phoenix Squadron
www.users.bigpond.com/afinlayson/index.htm
'feel the heat .......'
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I enjoy historical setup combat in online gaming (read that as scenarios (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Any timeline .. any "side"... there was plenty o interesting stuff during any period of aerial combat.
well and of course there is the F4U (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
But IMO historical matchup is the one and only way !
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I like everything that had a wing and an engine in WWII. Nothing specific really but am partial to the p-51 and the F6-F.
My ideal online arena would have countrys with only the planesets available to that country according to a timeline that started at beginning of the war and each day or so would progress the war by a month. Doing so you would get new planes to fly as the war progresses. This would not be balanced I realize, but its tough being able to choose a P-51 or a FW-190 and fly either one, this is not much fun to me at all. Axis and allies or some mix would suit me better.
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I like it all. I do love to historically match up against arch rivals, love to be part of the big picture (Scenarios), but sometimes I just want the pure rush of mano e mano, and I don't care what planes are being used. This approach allows me to keep the game from getting stale.
As far as particular a/c or service, I guess I want to fly the obscure aircraft. If we get Il2's, I will fly them. If we get Brewsters, I will fly them. Macci? You bet! Nothing ruins a game (online sims) like everyone flying the same a/c all the time (IMHO). I do have a slight preference for those services other than American or British, primarily because their stables have been modelled ad nauseum. Are we really going to need 3-4 models of all the American and British planes (ala Brand W) before we see anything from, say, the French?
It's a great game, even now. I wish that there would be a rotation of services being rendered (i.e. Germany, Italy, Russia, etc). It would be nice to see some dedicated attack a/c. This would help with our international friends' interest, allowing others the chance to relive part of their aeronautical history too.
[This message has been edited by -kier- (edited 11-11-1999).]
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I like all planes of WW 2 equally and try to know the most about each one.
Historical all the way, regular old Arena is getting repetitive, historical scenarios in AW 2 were dope..., BIG WEEK! ;p
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1./Jagdgeshwader 51 "Mölders"
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Hehe well WWII is my 2nd choice, but none has done my first choice.
The Golden Age of Air Racing, from about 1923 to 35. Man those were the times. Guys designing aircraft on kitchen tables. Saving and spending every last dime to get something flyable. Sitting in a cockpit with 0 visiability at 50' travelling 200 mph within 20 feet of another airplane. Now that is excitement. (I fly radio control pylon racing too, hehe)
But as far as WWII goes, I am into very historical mission oriented flying. Without a mission handy (and a reason for it), I find it easy to "Quake out". The sim just becomes a game. I still remember my first scenario with a those sweaty palms and shaking after I got my first scenario kill (and lived to tell!). Now that is what it is all about.
F/O Gazoo, 401 RCAF Rams.
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"Just Plane Nuts"
Gazoo
http://plaza.v-wave.com/SolarStorm/index.htm (http://plaza.v-wave.com/SolarStorm/index.htm)
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1. I am not partial to any single aircraft. I prefer to fly in a situation when a choice of an A/C is out of my hands, like it was in a real war. Especially if the opposition flies a superior model. That makes realistic historical tactics mandatory.
2. As you can see from the #1, I am a history buff.
miko--
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1. I am interested in anything that flies, but WW2 and the time before the war got my special interest. (Preferring LW if I would have to choose)
2. Historical Arena please. (Or events) Nothing bothers me more than to meet the same plane. The historical planes have been developed to counter each other and I like the idea of historical planes meeting in virtual combat. (Axis vs. Allied planes strictly)
Werewo
JG 301 "Heimatverteidigung"
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1.) I like a great many planes and am curious enough to want to try just about anything that shows up.
2.) Perhaps because I'm not the hottest stick in human space, I'm very mission-oriented. I like operations management, weaponeering, etc. So gimme those HAs! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Nice thread, leonid. But in order to get the most accurate picture of player preferences, can we all promise now not to flame the people who post saying they just want to furball? I'd really like to know how the numbers shake out, and the vehemence with which us history types are wont to defend our passion might discourage the folks who disagree with us from weighing in.
My $.02.
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Flathat
'Black Dahlia'
No10 RNAS "The Black Flight"
Angel on your wing, devil on your tail
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Luftwaffe/Commonwealth is my main interest.
Historical type arena setups preferred.
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Jumpin Jesus on a pogo stick! Everybody knows a burrow owl... lives... in a hole... in the ground!
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1) My enjoyment is based on the challenge of the contest and learning new aspects of ACM. It really has nothing to do with a specific aircraft, a specific type, or a specific air force. Dissimilar aircraft combat, where each pilot has to work the fight toward his plane's strengths, is most interesting to me.
2) I have no preference. Both 'open arenas' and 'historical arenas' have their strengths. For a quick 1-2 sortie night, an open arena with 3 or 4 countries will usually get you an uncapped field from which to launch and reasonably fair fight somewhere. For several hours of action, a scenario in a historical arena (where death ends your flying for the night) can't be beat for pucker factor.
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I've been hooked on prop planes since i was a kid.(D.O.B.1946}Victory At Sea,a T.V. program really cemented my love.
Realistic{within the limits of home computers}arenas is what i'd like to see.Open arena furballing ofcourse has its place,i just find it to be boring and pointless.
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1) Corsair (primarily)
2) Historical (definately)
(http://chani.arrakis-ttm.com/warbirds/jollyroger/gifs/new/kep.gif)
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~Lt. Jg. Windle~
VF-17 (http://chani.arrakis-ttm.com/warbirds/jollyroger/) The Jolly Rogers 8X
Skychrgr@aol.com
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1) Luftwaffe, Bf109F (was 109G before as FAF used it on WWII, but I found it so darn difficult to fight in WB, so I got stucked to F, although You're right about FAF, Camouflage...
2) Historical ! Absolutely !
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janneh down and out !
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I fly level bombers. Of course the B-17 is the favourite ride but in any scenario I choose the side which has bombers to fly.
Az
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Azrael
XO 487th BG (Heavy) (http://www.487th.de)
'The Gentlemen from Hell'
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1.) Finnish Air Force, but try and find that in any flight sim, so the closest thing is Luftwaffe. As far as planes: Brewster Buffalo, Bf 109G-2 and early G-6, Fw 190A-4 to A-6 and BF 110G-2 in that order. If I can't fly any of those planes in a sim you'll have hard time finding me there. I knew AH was gonna have to come up with Fw 190A at least so that's why I did stick around. So my enjoyment is pretty much evolves totally around specific planes.
2.) ETO '43. Why is it that every sim either goes to the stone age with BoB, or to the rocket age of '44/'45 winter? ETO '43 is simply the best plane set around for historical match ups, IMO of course. Fat chance we're going to have FAF versus Red Air Force, so ETO '43 is the next best thing.
//fats
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1) any
2) historical without a doubt
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1)Luftwaffe, the most difficult to fly and always sub-modeled in any Sim. Second Japan planes, the state-of-the-art of maneovering planes in WWII. Romantic planes.
Carrier borne: F4U, challenging (as Luft planes) deadly and beauty, the only exception for allies.
Wait to see Italian and French one day.
2)Historical arenas, with balanced historical set of forces, planes percentages but always open to any joiner at ant moment. So if you joint and want to fly for a side which is full you have to choice the other or wait to have room.
Also historical missions and particular battles.
For "shoot-them-up" there is lots of Quake arenas.
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I like em all. Historical matchups are the most interesting, and I'd sign up for a sim where I had to fly in a single unit throughout the TOD, and had to alternate from one AF to the next on subsequent TODs.
Variety is good. Learning new planes is good.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
--jedi
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1. At the moment I love flying the 109...no special attachments other than a challenge and it has great performance. In transition to N1k2 at the moment so that might be my new ride...again no special attachments.
2. I like the challenge of dogfighting...that's really what I'm interested in. Occasional scenario stuff adds flavour, but what I'm primary there for is the thrill of air combat. It's good to know the history behind this, but I think sometimes it gets outa hand and ruins the game. I like what HTC has done...
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1. Luftwaffe Planes, but i like to test out all kind of WW2 Planes. I wanna feel the difference between the Planes.
2. Historical Arenas prefered here, i like the feeling to be Part of a WW2 movie.
greets from Germany
GhostFT
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1) All WWII aircraft
2) Historical setups
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1. Prop planes just do something for me. Fascination with both WWI and WWII planes, all types. Special planes are the P-47, FW-A series, 109, spitfire and Zero.
2. Definately a historical matchup kind of person.
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When I fly my Bf109, I don't want to fight against freindly AC.(BF109, FW190 or N1K) but I have to (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
So historical setting is my preference.
1).Luftwaffe, Japanese Navy, Japanese Army,
2).Histrorical
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meza <JP3ND>
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1) My interest is Luftwaffe and my most liked planes are Fw 190 and Bf 109. Favourite enemies are US planes
2) If I just had to possibility to fly in one specific front and era, it would be 1943 in western europe. Good planes on both sides and numbers weren't too skewed that time.
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jochen
Geschwaderkommodore
Jagdgeschwader 2 'Richthofen' (http://personal.inet.fi/cool/jan.nousiainen/JG2) (Warbirds)
If you ever get across the sea to England,
Then maybe at the closing of the day
The bars will all be serving German lager
Which means we won the war - hip hip hooray!
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1. Favourite aircraft is the F4U-1D .. done properly ( and P51-D second favourite (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)).
2. I'd like a historical context, but I like the open arena concept as well ... especially when the planeset hasn't reached my favourite rides.
Just in case the poor deluded souls above aren't aware (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) the F4U-D is the COOLEST airplane ever produced. My poor C.O. (Jekyll) must be under too much pressure! He really means the F4U-1D that you won't be able to pry him from .. he got the pictures mixed up.
BTW .. I'm very green when it comes to dogfighting .. so you are all welcome to teach me your favourite lessons online (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
Cheers
Teapot.
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Phoenix Squadron
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1) Any plane that gets the particular job done
2) Historical
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I don't have a specific preference for any aircraft, or EVEN aircraft of WW2. I just like high power machinery.
Tanks, U-boats, battleships, machineguns, pistols, airplanes, aircraft carriers, artilley guns.
I like Panzer Commander as much as I like Aces High, but I can't play Panzer Commander on the net. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
I want to play in the arena with the most players, but want that arena to be the historical one.
Hans.
[This message has been edited by Hans (edited 11-12-1999).]
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A most Eccchseelent thread!
1. In WWI my ride is the Spad XIII and SE5A. In WWII it's the P-51D and sometimes the FW190's. I am a Boom N Zoomer all the way. Give me speed and climb ability. One of my top rules is "altitude = life."
2. I love historical match-ups, scenarios and arenas. I can't say that I am to fond of fighting other allied planes as to me it ruins the immersion factor. I see another P-51, or a B-17 or a Spit and I wanna wing with it, not shoot it down. I actually feel bad when I nail a B-17 as I should be his "little friend." In DoA right now with most everyone in Dr1's and me in my Spad XIII I have no problem getting into a more realistic furball. In AH I find myself fighting mainly Spitfires (ugh). I am also not fond of the 3 or 4 sided arenas. Two sides is good enough for me (plz lets not get into a flame war over that last statement).
See you in the skies.
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Col. mburns
XO and Ops Officer
94th Aero Pursuit Sqdrn
1st Pursuit Group
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I would play this game with any plane but I prefer to fly the 109 and the 190.
I would like to have historical areas and play sets. Particularly Chanel coast 1941-43 and Malta.
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Definately historical, and for this reason: With a historical setting, the important(but weak) planes like the SBD or the Kate can actually contribute to a country's efforts. A flight of Kate's escorted by Zekes, running into a flight of Wildcats. Now, that's a battle!
There are so many planes that are basically rendered useless by the way things are run in the MA of "Brand W". Once day four is over, any chances of a successful Stuka run are next to nil. That may be historically correct, but it would sure be nice to be able to fly a plane for greater than four days in a month!
Also, I too dislike the "Spit vs. Spit, or the F4U vs. Mustang" battles of the MA. If we're going to simulate WW2 air combat, let's make sure we have the correct aircraft fighting each other per the historical truth. Bf-109's fighting Hurricanes, P-40's fighting Oscars & Zekes, FW's fighting B-17's, etc...
Let's do it right!
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Bax (-baxl-)
"BETA TEST NAKED!"
[This message has been edited by Bax (edited 11-12-1999).]
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Leonid;
1) I love to fly all the planes, but tend to lean towards US or UK as my favorites.
2) Historical.
My biggest shock when I started AW was the like vs like fights, disappointing for me. You have to learn too many xxx vs xxx tactics.
MA is very good for practice or when you have a limited time to play, and is often just relaxing.
To model the historical aspects IMO you must consider several important factors to get that added kick of realism.
As an Example for ETO:
The Germans generally had superior planes (and better pilots IMO). But, they had poor strategic bombers as their focus was support of the ground troops.
The Allies had a 2-5 to 1 (10+ to 1 late war) fighter numerical advantage. The strategic bombing campaigns were without compare.
Just a guess, there seems to be more people who lean toward LW planes in general. At least those who post here.
Mino
[This message has been edited by Minotaur (edited 11-12-1999).]
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I grew up with a father who is greatly interested in History. In particular the Spanish Civil War, and the Effect it has had on the world since.
And there are a lot of things that can be traced back to the SCW.
Practice for the Luftwaffe.
Basques.
Fears of COmmunism in the U.S.
Papa Bear and his books, news reports.
Anyhow, my father was always making Model Aircraft. I-15, I-153, I-16, BF-109A,B,C,D,E, Etc. He occasionally made Spitfires with Egyptian Markings, who Flew against the 109s in Isreali Markings.
I finally hasseld him enough to make an American Aircraft (Were American BTW) and he made the "Kibosh" one of the P-40Bs that survived and did considerable service in the Phillipines.
I got to love the P-40 learning about it.
Apparently the most affective Unit to use this Aircraft was the Mercanaries hired by the Chinese Government, the AVG, or Flying tigers.
SO I have gravitated to that plane.
I want in some sembalance, to know what the men faced.
And not at the time period where America and the Allies had the advantage, I wanna know the bleak dismal period, where everyone knew the fear.
Dunkirk, Pearl Harbor, the Phillipines, the Phony War, the times that built the Character of the nations that fought.
I try to fly the challenging aircraft of Every nation, I want the planes that are routinely left out of other sims, (I.E. Russian, French, Itallian.)
I want us to fly as squadrons.
I want us to use the tactics they developed.
I want realism that makes me appreciate what the men, women, children, nations of that bleak period felt, lived through, or died for.
SO I WANT REALISM SO STARTLING, IT IS SHOCKING.
I would hook up a Mild Electric shock to my chair, so I would get a shock everytime I got killed (Virtually.)
I want realism.
I want varied planes.
When I log off from this sim. I want it to make me think.
1. Almost None of my enjoyment revolves around a specific aircraft or Airforce. Give me a good AVG/Flying Tigers Arena, and it might though.
2. Different Theaters, respective aircraft enviroment should be available.
If I just wanna game, the Furball, no boundries arean should be available, but not the premier arena.
Anyone who flies only Spits, Mustangs, and 190s should be ashamed if I get them with my P-40B.
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"I could feel the 20MM Cannon impacting behind me so I made myself small behind the pilot armor" Charlie Bond AVG
lkbrown1@tir.com
http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1 (http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1)
Very Opinionated Person.
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No disrespect intended Downtown, but anyone can get caught low and slow. I can kill you in a Fairey Battle under the right circumstances. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I won't be ashamed if you get me in a P-40, it isn't that bad of a plane!
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Historical! with the time lines etc (ie.. rolling plane sets)
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