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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: beet1e on September 12, 2002, 05:55:30 AM
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Doh! Having a bad morning jaboing. Can't seem to hit a sausage. So I'll take a break from AH till later in the day. I just put 2500# of ord on a VH, but it still stands. Later, I tried to bomb a Flak/Osti - again, 2500# plus 10 rockets, and all I did was get him smoking. I took screen shots so you can see how close the bombs landed. I never had this trouble before. Has the required level of accuracy been tweaked up in response to the Tiffie suicide raids, perhaps?
See attached screen shot of VH still intact, and in next post, the smoking Ostwind.
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Ostwind
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doh now i see p51
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Errrm, isn't that a P47-D30 Wotan ?
my regards,
Widewing <------------ ooops sorry, just being condescending ;)
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After almost two years of jaboing in AH I still have no idea, how bombs cause damage.
Someday you can throw 500kg right on the turret and the tank/osti drives away not smoking and firing.
The other day you lob in a way of desperation 100lbs near the tank/osti and it makes *poof*.
There is a general problem with the damage model of GVs.
But it did not notice any new changes in the bombs model.
Frankly spoken, you missed the VH on the airfield.
But the impacts were close enough to do rest with the MGs.
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I'm confused about the bomb loads required to kill a Vehicle Hanger. 2 1ks from a P-38, P47, etc wont do it. But a 500kg from a FW190-A8 will.
Can someone explain that to me? Not a complaint, just curious.
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ur right saw se the stripes on tail. I posted a reply before he posted his second image. ZMy question original was in reference to the 1st image. I had asked what plane he was in. I then saw his 2nd image and just looked at the seat. :)
no lepaul the vh at a an airfield takes 2500lbs (ht has said he wanted all hangers at field to be 3000lbs eventually)
lone vhs at vbases are 2000lbs.
500kg = 1102.31lbs
250kg = 551.155lbs
50kg = 110.231lbs
so a 110g2 should = 2646 (rounded) and enough to kill a hanger.
But this is ah and 500kg = 1000lbs and a 50kg = 100lbs
So total for a 110g2 = 2400lbs ah and not enough to kill a hanger.
HT said he would fix this and in the same sentence he said he wanted to up hangers to 3000lbs. So only the unhistorical load out of the p47d30 (all them bombs) and the less then historical load out (missing its 2 x 2000lbs bombs) for the p38 can kill hangers in ah. (fighter bomber wise)
The current help files says the hangers should be 3000lbs but that is wrong.
Heinkel tested LW ammo to see what it took to strafe down objects in ah heres a chart (nothing but lw in the chart because we dont care about other planes,,,, everyone knows it takes 15 bish typhies to kill an ack :eek: )
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This is all very informative, but I'm telling ya...up and A8 or a Dora, grab the one big bomb it can carry (which is NOT supposed to be able to knock a VH in, from what you posted) and bomb a VH. It go boom :)
I've hit V bases and Vehicle Hangars, being the only one there (so they were not soft) and down they go. Generally I lug the draggy rockets too in the A8 just in case...but I've seldom used them.
Thanks for the reply, Wotan, but I'm still confused why my 190s can down a vehicle hangar. Perhaps the force is strong for me, as it was my father? :p
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nah mate, my squad and i do lotsa jabo and a 500kg wont kill a hanger (whether its on an a8 a5 or d9). You must be hitting hangers that are already soft. At a vbase 2 500kgs will kill a vhanger. or 1 500kg and 400 rounds of 20mm (if the bomb hits dead on) will kill it. If you fly an a8 or a5 or f8 in jabo rolls then its good to know what you have to do to kill a structure.
Believe me all I fly is 190s. I wouldnt lie to ya :)
Check our squad scores in attack and see what planes my squad mostly flies.
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So its the force? LOL
I swear it...but I'll fly a sortie tonight, and grab screenshots...if you're right, great...but I'll try it again tonight and see what happens.
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Thanks for all these replies. I wondered if "packet loss" can apply to jabo bombing as well as to MG/.50 cal/cannon. The connections have been a bit weak lately, and the above incident was during the period in which HTC advised there would be "intermittent connectivity". You can't tell it from my screenshots, but one of my bomb craters appeared to be inside the hangar! :eek: I can't do much better than that.
I'll go up and have another go.
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IIRC you could destroy a VH at a Field w/500kg or 1000lbs in 1.08, it has been changed since.
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Wotan, being LW, you are forgiven :D
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Gentlemen,
It appears my troubles are over. I have just landed another sortie, in which I bombed a VH at a vehicle base. I can say quite categorically that destruction of the VH needs only 2000# of bombs. That's all I dropped. Deliberately went to an isolated base which had not been softened up, just to try it.
Here's my screen shot of that sortie. Please note the following! - My bombs landed further from the target than in the screen shots shown earlier in the thread.
- Not only was this sufficient to get the VH, but the barracks also. :confused:
I don't know precisely what the problem was earlier in the day, but I'll put it down to some sort of netlag deficiency.
What does Hitech have to say about this?
PS Headbang, who was the Ostwind firing up at me ;)
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yes beetle at vbases vehicle hangers take 2k lbs the barrack take 250lbs at a vbase if you it just off the vh the barracks willgo. This aint always a good thing because the vh will be up before the barracks. So if you are on a roll you may wanna be able to get troops from the vbase you just captured.
@ an airfield it takes 2500lbs (same as a fighter hanger)
Devious vhs haver always been 2000lbs at a vbase 2500lbs at a airfield.
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Wotan, LePaul,
It takes 8 US/Brit/Canadian rockets to kill a vehicle hangar at a vehicle field.
It takes 18 US/Brit/Canadian rockets to kill a fighter hangar at an airfield.
We all agree it takes 2,500 lb of bomb ordnance to kill a fighter hangar, therfore each rocket carries approximately 2500/18 = 138.88 pounds of ordnance.
So, the ordnance required to kill a vehicle hangar at a vehicle field is 8*138.88 or 1,111.11 pounds.
So yes, a 500kg bomb will kill a vehicle hangar at a vehicle field (or come very close to it.)
All calculations assume a direct hit on the structure.
curly
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Ah, redemption
See? I'm not juicing up my bombs after all :-)
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I was beginning to think my technique was off. :(
I normally take 2x1000 for a VH, and this is enough even at an air base. See AKCurly's calculations. I'll kill the acks with a salvo of rockets first, then drop ord on the VH.
As for direct hits, I think I do it right. Have a look at this film, which I shot in the online game. To see the bombs hit, go to external view (F3) and hold down 2 on numeric keypad for rear view. This was V91, a rook base, but right after this was taken, I flew the goon in there for capture. :D
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rgr that but a 500kg in ah only equals 1000lbs (ht acknowledged this and said he will fix it)
So either way 500kg still wont kill a vbase vhs :)
ok just tested it the fw190f8 takes 1 500kg and 3 50kgs to kill a vbase vh.
Thats 1150lbs
Curly is correct
You dont how it pains me to admit that :)