Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AKSWulfe on September 12, 2002, 10:56:48 AM
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New patch that will allow using custom speech files for the radio msgs (in HUD and voice).
It's at il2sturmovik.com... slow downloads there tho, better wait for a mirrior.
-SW
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I keep seeing references to this sim. Is it worth the $40 to get it, and will it corrupt my Aces High gunnery skills?
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I have been messing with it for a couple of months,,,,
It will improve your gunnery in AH, at least it has with mine.
You have to get real close to do damage or get kills in IL-2.
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Originally posted by gofaster
I keep seeing references to this sim. Is it worth the $40 to get it, and will it corrupt my Aces High gunnery skills?
Yes
No
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yes.
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yes, it's excellent
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I have been curious about it. But everyone posts that the FM in the demo is different from the real game. I would like to road test the thing before I drop 40 bucks on it.
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How are you planning to do that…
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IL2 is a good game, I will not play it online. Therefore I have to be in the mood to play it. I get all the fun (and work) I need right here in MA and SEA. The only thing I would want from IL2 in AH is the aircraft.
Eye Candy is awesome, FM is weak compared to AH IMO. Action is Great, but once again, Offline play gets old, Fast.
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Originally posted by Nefarious
IL2 is a good game, I will not play it online. Therefore I have to be in the mood to play it. I get all the fun (and work) I need right here in MA and SEA. The only thing I would want from IL2 in AH is the aircraft.
Eye Candy is awesome, FM is weak compared to AH IMO. Action is Great, but once again, Offline play gets old, Fast.
why not online?
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Offline it sucks-just like AH, WB or any other game. Easymo, get yer bellybutton to Austin, and you can play on my system before you buy it.
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IL2 was playable in windows millenium,now I installed win200 and it's slow like hell. I hope that changing to a NT version of Directx will make it run normally again,otherwise,bye bye Il2.
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To me the IL2 FM is the best around. It isn't perfect, notably at high altitudes and high speeds, but it is great. Landing and takeoff are a challenge. I really wish UBI would release a Pacific war game with carriers.
It requires engine management too.
It is also the best game around from a technical standpoint.. sound and graphics.
But is isn't a MMOG, so it ain't for me. It's really just a boxed sim with an online mode so you can furball against your friends. If I liked boxed sims this would be the only one on my shelf.
ra
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Originally posted by easymo
I have been curious about it. But everyone posts that the FM in the demo is different from the real game. I would like to road test the thing before I drop 40 bucks on it.
senna is selling it for $20 in this thread (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64233)
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Well dont stand outside the shop, comon in. I'll sell it for 20 bucks (dont play it much no more). Great graphics, ok missions, the AI is ok (never tried the new patches though), the FM is actually impressive but its really an illusion and ultimately if you try to fly the envelope, youll notice its faults in the FM. Its a nice break from AH though. If you want it, let me know else I'll package what games are left unsold with the buyers of the controllers, 1 game per controller if any games left.
Did I mention the graphics are AWSOME. Im such a horrible saleman. Hehe.
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I bought it last week to play with my son.Have only played 3-4 hrs offline, but I like it a lot.Very nice and the very immersive at times.
First box game I have bought for myself in a longgg time.
Just finished d/l the patches this morning.Ask me what I think in a month.;)
Frodo
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Im on 56K, And, I dont feel like downloading different software to play a game that should have its own Service Provider.
I read the boards over there and have been a member since I bought Silent Hunter II. But I dont post in the IL2 boards.
Ubi made me really mad. First with SHII, then with DC. IL2 took me a long time to buy just because Ubi.I was even part of the IL2 closed beta.
Its a great game. I'm just tired of down loads for Ubi Soft.
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Nefarious... HyperLobby (http://hyperfighter.jinak.cz)
Far better the UBILobby... far less overhead, far better players, far more diversity.
Oh, and uninstall UBILobby if you did install it.. it's a cancer.
-SW
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I never installed Ubi Soft software until SH II and DC, Then I realized it was a joke. like I said, I sat down and thought long and hard before I bought IL2. I am happy I bought it, and playing it online sounds fun, But that would be one more thing I would rather do than stuff Im supposed to do.
Thanks for the link, But I'll think i'll just stick to offline full realisim missions.
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No prob, if you want some links for the offline stuff, here's a few:
http://www.uberdemon.com.
Download the massive FE download. (I forget where it is, but it's the biggest one) and be sure to download the latest update. This will allow you to generate as many single missions as you want with as much variety as you want. You can set it to randomize all sorts of things (planes -> based on year, objects, time, alt, map, objectives, mission type, etc), and it's pretty simple. It'll take a couple of runs to understand it, but if you read the pop ups and guides (within the Il2 game too), it becomes pretty easy after that.
http://members.shaw.ca/viking11/Ju87-camp.zip
The above is a Ju87 campaign, instructions should be in there (dunno, haven't downloaded it, but he makes good campaigns apparently) Just tried to run the download, file is there.
http://www.il2sturmovik.com/download/missions/barbarossa_2.0.zip
That's a Fw190 and Bf109 campaign (two seperate ones)... there's some stuff you may want to read, it has a readme included in the file. Only played 6 of the missions myself... and 5 of 'em I would hit fly and then end it because they were just training missions.
Just in case you want something more than those canned missions.
-SW
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Im interested in FE download...But website is down.
I have played the Barbarossa campaign...
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My bad... http://www.uberdemon.com
(the above has a period after .com)
Here is the main program:
http://www.uberdemon.com/downloads/UberQuickDemoNC.zip
Here is the update to 1.2:
http://www.uberdemon.com/downloads/UQMGDemo120Update.exe
There is an included text file in the first download.
It's a real good program, especially when you understand how to navigate it. (foreign program, takes a couple of tries, then it's fairly easy)
If you run into any questions about it, I can answer 'em for ya if you post here.
-SW
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Thanks!
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Originally posted by Russian
How are you planning to do that…
down load it from kaza.
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Pongo is da debil.
Thanks Pongo :)
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I just got it yesterday mainly cause its got a Stuka now! With a dive siren! Unfortunatly my sight is misaligned, I am having the same problem with the 109 E-7 and both G-6s kinda annoying. Aside from that eye candy is cool, love that 1 30mm into a heavy bombers wing messes him up big time, it feels like color guncam footage. Its harder to hit I gotta get to about d .12 to hit sometimes. But I ve also gotten deflection shots out to their equvelent to D 500. Bombers are fun too you can sit out of range of their defensive armament and plaster them with 20mm. Its pretty good worth the 30 euro I paid for it.
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Pooh did you tried the shift - F1 trick ?
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Shift-F1 to move head in front of gunsight. Works for all planes but is only really needed in the germans because of the missalligned sight. In the rest of the planes it can be used to maybe get a better view around the cockpit bars.
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TY, didnt know about that.
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Does anybody in here have a problem w/ the FM's like I do. Acceleration and Roll are way overmodeled. The Lag-3's accelerate like a La-7 or better and everything rolls like a F-16. Has anyone noticed this?
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wow
excellent links to addons for il2
I tried online for the first time last night with hyper lobby. was real fun..
easymo..
dont thank me. your wasting your time like I did. you will buy it and regret the 100 hours it takes to get it from kaza..it is so good its a sure sure thing. I cant wait to spend more money on forgoten battles.
these guys are THE standard in combat flight simulation developement. and Il2 is a work of love.
not only has it cost me the il2 puchase but 100 dollars in scale models and paints and 150 dollars in books about soviet AC...
sigh.
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If anyone has a copy of IL2 they want to sell cheap to Cheapsnort, contact me.
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got your new pc so you think its time to see what you bought that power for...:)
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Originally posted by Pongo
got your new pc so you think its time to see what you bought that power for...:)
You got it good buddy! :)
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Originally posted by Pongo
wow
excellent links to addons for il2
I tried online for the first time last night with hyper lobby. was real fun..
easymo..
dont thank me. your wasting your time like I did. you will buy it and regret the 100 hours it takes to get it from kaza..it is so good its a sure sure thing. I cant wait to spend more money on forgoten battles.
these guys are THE standard in combat flight simulation developement. and Il2 is a work of love.
not only has it cost me the il2 puchase but 100 dollars in scale models and paints and 150 dollars in books about soviet AC...
sigh.
I'm not in any way trying to be the anti-piracy police police as I have 1 or 2 (or 45GB) of borrowed mp3s, but IL2 is worth supporting with your money. You know how bad the flight sim genre is in terms of developers making new games. Show Oleg and company you want them to make more by dropping some cash on it.
End of public service announcement.
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I try befor I buy unless it was made by Sid Meir or Blizzard.
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As do I. Even in Blizzard's case. That doesn't invalidate paying for it if you like it. I'm not even sure why I'm clarifying this.
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I have a fare sized collection of boxed, flight sims. All collecting dust. Im getting a litlle tired of buying stuff I dont like.
I couldnt care less about eyecandy. I just want to know what the FM is like. Why the hell dont they make a demo, thats a "real" demo?
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Because Demos are Free, Mcfly.
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Easymo, the FM of IL2 is good. Its fun but it doesnt have the edge envleope qualities that AH has that would allow you to fly aircraft at tournement level precision like we do in AH. In AH everybody flies like they are Adolf Galland. In real life I suspect that edge is obtainable if one is brave enough. Shrug, Id give you my copy free but since I figure you for the kinda guy that doesnt take handouts, 20 bucks.
:)
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I am trying to figure out what line of logic you followed, to come up with this. Because Demos are Free, Mcfly.
If you are trying to sell a new BMW. You don't stick someone in a ford pinto, and say "drive this around the block. Its pretty much the same thing" That just doesn't make sense.
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The best way I could describe the difference between Il-2 and AH is I have to think ahead more in Il-2. In AH, everything is light and precise; in Il-2 it takes longer to set up a kill. It's kinda like the inertia of WB (though not as bad) combined with the pre-1.3 AH flight model. It is a more challenging flight model in many ways, in particular in the fine movements. If you are into realism (read "challenging"), there are definitely more variables to consider in the Il-2 equation.
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IL2s FM developed though out patched. It changed drastically from v1.0 to 1.2. Developer is not going to re-release demo over and over and over again. They will be wasting money that way. I’d recommend buying game, not steeling . This sim truly worth 40$.
Ps To all Pony fans, FB might have flyable P-51D. Check out weekly update on main site/
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Thanks kieran. That gives me a better understanding of FM. What is the online play like? I have read on some boards that it has gone the lowest common denominator route. Outside views, etc. The usual gamey stuff, much like AH's 8player. They claim its hard to find a full realism arena in IL2
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I heard that P51 will not make it to FB...I dont think it ever saw service in Eastern front (and was never shipped to Russia).
I have seen screenshots of P47D razorback though...
Forgotten Battles Looks awesome.
I really wish they would allow Free ware models. I think Oleg is making a bad decision by not allowing it.
He allows Third Party models, but it has to be cleared by 1C.
and distrubuted by 1C.
I'm salivating for Western Front!! I would probably buy every Flight Sim they sell.
Especially LOMAC So as long as I get to fly an A6 Intruder.
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Easymo-if you get a free bmw for test driving one, will you buy it?
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Blow the forty bucks and fly on HL-you can find what you want or create and host it if you cant.
My IL2 stuff:
http://www.lizking.com/il2.htm
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well its definatly a moral issue. yet the developers that sold me all the games I have that never amounted to crap dont lose sleep over it I bet..
I tried the real version then bought it. My recomendation is to buy it. it seems to be a good directx client and behave very well with varios hardwares and it really is a great sim.
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Originally posted by Nefarious
I heard that P51 will not make it to FB...I dont think it ever saw service in Eastern front (and was never shipped to Russia).
It did see some action but very minor, they were escorting B-17 for couple month in 43-44 over Russian. I think 1C is just trying to appeal to West so they can get more sales. Here’s a pic of one that is going to be released for FB during initial release or patch after.
(http://screenshots.us.ubisoft.com/IL-2/P-51D.jpg)
I really wish they would allow Free ware models. I think Oleg is making a bad decision by not allowing it.
He allows Third Party models, but it has to be cleared by 1C.
and distrubuted by 1C.
I'm salivating for Western Front!! I would probably buy every Flight Sim they sell.
Oleg don’t want to have it like MCFS. 1C and UbiSoft want to make sure that if external (not made by team) models going to be in the sim, those models better look very good.. like this one
(http://screenshots.us.ubisoft.com/IL-2/Gladiator.jpg)
Especially LOMAC So as long as I get to fly an A6 Intruder.
LOMAC is not made by 1C and A6 will not be flyable.
;)
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I have bought 30 or 40 cars in my lifetime. I drove all of them first.
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Hopefully A6 will be added some where down the line...
"Knockers Up!"
"Master Arm ON!"
"Pickles HOT!"
"BOMBS AWAY!"
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Well, I hope you paid more than 39.95 for them.
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I am glad that Olav keeps control of the planes that are available. it helps him keep control of the comunity and it helps him pace the delivery of add ons. Both of those are very valuble to the developer.
That pony is about the most beautifle 3d model I have ever seen.
man they are doing it right with this one..
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A battle of Britain Add-On would be nice...
I just jope FB wont be as much as IL2...Afterall it is an addon.
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It is a stand alone game as well. Support the good software developers or play microshit. Yer choice.
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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
New patch that will allow using custom speech files for the radio msgs (in HUD and voice).
It's at il2sturmovik.com... slow downloads there tho, better wait for a mirrior.
-SW
http://www1.filefront.com/iron-bin/ff/root.p_bin_/page__download_file;filepath__/3dgamers/games/il2sturmovik/il2upgrade_1.2ov.exe;clear__page,filepath;cache__1F
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Just tried new patch (or upgrade, to be fair) of Il-2. Simply, I am delighted.
The game is improving with each and every release and is the lead flight sim, IMO.
For example, few little things I have noticed. Guns on Fw 190 now work as someone mentioned not too long ago on these boards. Trigger 1 fires MGs and inboard cannons. Trigger 2 fires outboard cannons. This is new with version 1.2.
Stuka, for example, has automatic system for pulling out of dives -as it had historically.
An allied test pilot said 190 could do half roll in one second. Guess what, it shows in Il-2. Roll rate is fabulous. 190 is for a change very pleasant to fly, sometimes I just fly it offline doing nothing else but aerobatics. Don't get me wrong here - it is not poorly modeled, any Yak or 109 will outturn you without trouble. It is just that I now see how pilots were pleased with how 190 handled.
I haven't gone to like Il-2 because it models LW planes more favorably than AH does. This is rather shortsighted assesmant (try flying VVS planes). What makes Il-2 a winner for me is the attention to detail - historical cockpits with metric units, Stuka siren, pilot bailing and running for cover, dust cloud after touchdown, planes fly beautifully in general - hammerhead is in fact possible ;)). In winter maps it takes longer for engine to overheat. Also, planes fly faster in winter conditions - all modeled in Il-2. The game models ammo mixes. If you fire a cannon burst into the ground from MG 151/20, you will see different types of clouds and puffs, depending of round type that hits (HE, AP or tracer).
Il-2 online is another issue, though. I didn't enjoy online play much. It seems that multiplayer protocols impose quite a task on CPU. I had to lower gfx settings. Only rarely I have seen warps, much less than in AH. Still, most dogfight servers were with outside view, air start, unlimited ammo and such. They are not the only solution, there are other types of servers - missions and campaigns, historical setups etc. These mostly have full realism, even icons are turned off.
AH is fun, but when I want immersion, it is Il-2.
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Well I d/l hyper lobby onlineplay is ok...
I just visited website, FB update is cool...
Oh yeah...No P51..No flyable Bf110 either...
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Honestly, the P51 is a sick joke they let loose...
it will, unfortunately, be made flyable in one of the FB "updates"... the list is only flyable planes at release.
The P47, I dunno if it's listed as flyable initially, will be made flyable. As will many of the non-flyable aircraft listed there... such as the Mc.202, Ar-196, Bf-110, and several others (can't remember 'em all)...
and then of course, the ever present La7s will be flyable with FB's initial release.. and of course they will have some of the most uber versions available of that plane... one that didn't even get past prototype stage.... :-/ but they don't make some of the other planes that did more fighting flyable... like the French Moranes, Fiat G.50, Blenheim or Me210..
Atleast it will have the Buffalo, I-153, Hurricane, and P40 flyable...
-SW
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Notice flyable list...
http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/fb_features.php
SKurj
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I saw it Skurj... I see that it changed... initially they had a La7TK up there... which is a prototype of a new engine or something.. I forget.
P47 is flyable. P51 isn't listed, but will be in an add-on...
But they still don't have any of these flyable:
Bristol Blenheim MK I (Finnish Air Force)
Bristol Blenheim MK IV (Finnish Air Force)
Fiat G-50 (Finnish Air Force)
Morane MS.406 (Finnish Air Force)
Morane MS.410 (Finnish Air Force)
Mörkö Morane (Finnish Air Force. Equipped with Sovietengine M-105P, captured by Germans and sold in Finland)
SB-2
Me-210Ca-1 (Hungarian Air Force)
The Me110 is listed as AI, but will be made flyable in a later update to FB.
-SW
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strangly enough. there appear to be player that think that the german fighters are not modeled fairly..
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new update on FB, rear view mirrors that can be turned on and off,
excellent looking bomb sight,
Tempest
mountain terrain for online
The power just keeps building in moscow..