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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Grayarea on September 12, 2002, 12:19:38 PM
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Hi all,
I have a system with a VooDoo 5500 at the moment and another game I play will shortly be dropping support for it :(
So I am looking for a good replacment, and having read several reviews on the ATI 9700 I was wondering does anyone here have first hand experiance with this card?
Any info appreciated :)
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Gray, I just went from a V5 5500 to GF4 Ti4200 (o/cled the toejame out of it too)..
On a 1Ghz system, my FPS doubled in most games using the same graphics settings. Increasing particular games to even pertier graphics settings didn't seem to hurt the fps very much. So now games look much nicer, and still faster than on the V5...
As for the Radeon 9700, for $400... this thread (particularly the posts by Mark_H) should be of concern to you.
http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/Forum35/HTML/014152.html
I was going to buy one, wasn't on the shelf yet, so that's why I went with the GF4... from that thread, I'm glad I did.
-SW
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Greese is the word...
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Wulf, that really is not a fair statement to make, based on a hand ful of people who are having problems. The one you pointed out was someone who was/is complaining that the card cannot be overclocked without having artifacts. I have to laugh a bit at that.
I have not had any issues with mine. I got my $335.00 worth.
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Wulf did you read the whole thread..the guy is allready wishing he had his 9700 back....
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Apparently not Pongo, kind of hard to read posts that don't exist.
Skuzzy, I'm glad I didn't buy it.. I overclock by nature, first thing I would of done... burnt the toejam outta that card and chances are I wouldn't of been able to get another one.
I didn't say don't get one, but that thread would definitely interest me if I were going to buy one.
-SW
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Even though I was pissed off before I'm missing that card already.....
Its there wulfie.
I don't know that this is the guy you want to base your evaluation of the card on.
And Skuzzy... did you go from a 4600 to the 9700? What were the differences in image quality?
AKDejaVu
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Went from an 8500 to the 9700. The image quality is remarkable. ATI stuffed better DAC's into the 9700 versus the 8500 (which were not bad at all).
The posts I have read of 4200/4600 users who went with the 9700 pretty much concur the image quality is better than the 4200/4600 cards. Take that for what it's worth. I have no first hand knowledge of this.
Hard to make a side-by-side comparison as the first thing you want to do is to crank up the FSAA and ansio and play. Once you do that it is hard to go back.
Oh Wulfe, there are people who have successfully overclocked the core to 400Mhz. I wouldn't do it. Heck at it's stock speed a 2.5Ghz P4 has a tough time keeping up with the card.
The card is in my home system. I will try to get some screenies between the 8500 and 9700 in the next few days.
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Check the time of my posting here. Check the time of him posting his "I miss it now.." posting over there.
It wasn't there, so couldn't of read "the entire thread" as it was "entirely" there when I posted the link here.
It's something to keep in mind for anyone picking up a 9700 or who has one.
My mind was already made up when I picked the GF4 off the shelf... before I read this "review".
-SW
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what is the word?
Bird, bird, bird is the word.
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lol
the more telling date time stamp is when I posted and when you flamed me...
if you had read it when I posted instead of flaming you might have saved yourself looking silly.
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I don't see how I look silly.
You asked me if I read the whole thread in reply to a post I made here. The post by me here was made before the part you are referring to... yet you ask me if I read the whole thread? Yes I did. I read it in it's entirety. There was no mention of missing anything when I posted here, and thusly did not exist.
I look silly, how?
-SW
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Move along people! It's just another chipset flamewar. Move along! Nothing to see here ...
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you wont get it..
but you do.
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:rolleyes:
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Yeah I won't get it, you don't get that at the time I posted the link the message you are referring to did not exist.
Oh well, you looked silly for asking me if I read the entire thread... of which did not include the post you are referring to at the time I linked it. As for the cryptic writings, save 'em for other canadians.. I think they're the only ones who get it.
Morgoth, no flamewar here. I could care less, I just bought a GF4 because I needed to upgrade.. incidently from the same graphics card the orginal poster of this thread has. 9700 wasn't on the shelf. I didn't buy it. Grayarea wanted info on it, the only thing I saw regarding it was the above link I posted.
Obviously this was a bad move on my part, if I find anything relevant to a question someone is asking, I shouldn't post it at all.. and should instead let them wallow in their own decisions because no one else would answer their question or give them any relevant info and was too busy trying to give the guy with the only info in that thread a hard time. I should also not offer any of my personal experiences with other new cards, because this will naturally make me a fan boy... despite I've had a nvidia powered card for exactly... one day.
-SW
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Someone got a 3dmark score of 25,000 some with an overclocked p4 2.5 (up to 4ghz) and an overclocked 9700, using liquid nitrogen.
You could probably find more info on the official site.
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so I guess then that this
""Apparently not Pongo, kind of hard to read posts that don't exist.
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should be interpreted as
"there was no retraction before, but I see it now"
not
"the retraction does not exist"
You should be more clear. your squadmates and I assumed the latter.
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Big deal.. don't, didn't... it is moot, the posts were of no digital form at the time of my original post.. which you questioned what I had read or not...
-SW
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dont get to use these often. but some people are so stupid they are beyond words.
:eek:
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I'm sure you feel smart for that. Still don't understand time tho.
-SW
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Grayarea, go for the 9700 Pro.
Its FSAA should be as good as the Voodoo5 but about 10x faster, plus you will be able to run it at much higher resolution, with Anisotropic filtering enabled; the Geforce 4 lags with Ani filter.
There are new drivers out for the Radeon and they seem to be improving. The card will last.
All in all, the 9700 spanks the Geforce 4 around and leaves it in the dust like poor Pongo and his pathetic attempts at flaming random people for attention.
Here are some reviews and previews:
http://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/S&V/radeon9700pro.shtml
http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/r300/default.asp
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/videocards/article.php/1428871
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"All in all, the 9700 spanks the Geforce 4 around and leaves it in the dust like poor Pongo and his pathetic attempts at flaming random people for attention."
Animal.. pathetic like flaming a veteran accusing him of cowardice because he didnt like your favorite general.(whom he accutally served with)?
pathetic like using a big word in the wrong way for a whole thread and not admitting you dont know what it means?
Anyway. I didnt flame you till you flamed a veteran and called him a coward.
Did you do that for attention animal? your probably familier with enough psyc text books to evaluate that for yourself.
no attention seeking in this thread. just contributing to the thread by reading his link...and pointing out an anomoly with his interpretation of it. And it turns out most aggree that my interretation was correct..how is that a flame?
Am I not allowed to say hes wrong without it being a flame. I flamed him a little cause even after that he tried to say I was wrong. He says that I dont understand time. at the time he responded to me that the retraction didnt exist it did..what part of time do I not understand.
mountains of mole hills... certainly.
He did look silly trying to insist he had never made a mistake...we all make mistakes.. I do..you usually do..
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Word to your mothers, boys :D
I pulled the trigger on that ATI card. It was just delivered to me at work. Soon, I will know the truth...
Really though, I don't expect a whole lot with my cpu at 1.6 ghz.
Now I hear the Hammer is delayed. I'm going to wait for that to come out to upgrade, so I won't be able to give this card a workout until early next year.
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Pongo, it's obvious you still don't get it.
That post, the one you asked if I had read, did not exist at the time I made my original post here.
You asked me if I read it, I couldn't read it if it didn't exist.
You still have problems grasping this, and were the one who initiated my second response... which you interpreted as a flame.
Wasn't really one, you continued to flame me. But hey, if you count one person as "most"... then go right on ahead, it's quite obvious that not only do you not understand time but you don't understand math either.. 1 is not most... it's only 1. Just like how 8 minutes difference in posts means one existed before the other, and thusly could not be read.
Not hard to understand, you still can't grasp it... let me know, I can send you the number for hooked on phonics.
-SW
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Alright boys, I want a nice clean fight.
Pongo, get rid of the 2 rolls of quarters you have in your gloves. AKSWulfe, drop that anvil. You don't even look like Wily Coyote so don't go Acme on anyone.
No head butting, ankle biting, hair pulling, or urinating on your opponent. At the bell, return to your corners.
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GO!!