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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: PvtPyls on September 15, 2002, 02:48:19 PM
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2 vs 1.
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:confused:
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10 v 1 is not a good option either....last night I got 2, rammed a thrid before I bought it up the six. Think the Trumpet broke my windshield last night!
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So where's the "why it's wrong" definition?
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2 vs 1 usually no problem, depends on what plane you're in of course. 3 vs one started to get a bit though though, can be hard to keep track of all. I count 3 or more as a gang bang.
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ditto 2 v 1 wouldn't be considered a gangbang... 3+ v 1 would be especially if the 3 had an initial advantage over the 1, i.e. alt... or 2 more came tearing in after the 1 on 1 got slow and twisty... if just one came in, it'd be a cherrypick. :D
as much as i "whine" about lamer gangers, i figure i'm at least tying that many up for an amount of time. it's just sad that people need to fly on teh side with numbers, and then get so desperate for kills that they *all* go for the first low icon they see. or turn tail and run if they spot a higher bogie.
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Originally posted by PvtPyls
2 vs 1.
No, that's a target rich environment. 20 vs 1 is a gangbang, and it's WRONG because you got yourself into it. There's more to SA than knowing who's on your dead six, there's also having some clue about what you're flying into and whether or not you should be going there.
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The only time i have fun is when i am out numbered, it pushes the limits of what i can do.
And i will sometimes get involved into gangbangs on purpose just because its fun. And i know were all here to have fun *cough*
:p
So Next time you see 6 vs 1 .... Remeber What you can learn from it!
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I can usually handle 5-6 vs 1 and shoot them all down without a problem. When it gets to 7-10 vs 1 that's where my superior SA gets taxed and someone will luckily get a shot into me. I usually do not have a problem due to my superior flying ability.
OK, after reading the above, try to guess who I am???
Definately not Swagger
:)
Oh another hint! QUOTE: "These discos are hurting my score!"
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it was supposed to be a joke, but i messed up
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Only time 2 vs. 1 is a problem is if I made a big booboo and now I got a co-alt spit/la7 team on me :( . Those two planes should be perked if they are within 12k of each other at the rate of 5 perks a minute.
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You messed up? How? Oh yeah funny joke:rolleyes: .
K2
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Every time I find myself fighting alone with 2 , 3, 4 or more enemies, I always think that my planning sucks.....
Same thing, when I am vulched on rwy I think my SA isn't so good..
..and so on for other situations, no need to think others are dweeb, gangbangers,vulchers ecc....
Only situation that make me shout like a monkey, spitting at my monitor are those f***ed tapeworms riding a Spit and HOing everything they meet
:p
...waiting for someone to tell me that I can avoid HO
:rolleyes: , you have to be in two for an HO :rolleyes: and so on.
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Stegor, since you asked nicely:
It takes two to tango :)
(Seriously, I mean it.)
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its ok PVT all is forgivin
2on1 is cool....but not cool when both are spits and BOTH are looking to HO your bellybutton on every pass.
this game lacks the initial enviroment to develope ACM skills
I see too many just up a base and FACE shot anything that moves....too many of those.
SlowHand
4WING=441 Silver Fox=
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if you don't want to be gang banged fly with a squadron
bad part of gangbanging is i always end up with assits instead of kills
once i was flying one of the slower planes (don't remember which) and i came upon 3 enemy ( i thought it was only one), i could not run so i figured make a fight of it.
i did that fighter pilot stuff and got guns on #1 and killed him on 1st pass ( mucho luck) did some quick ACM and killed #2 with one burst ( more luck), #3 must have thought i was a bad dude and tried to egress by diving out and augered , but i gonna claim 3 kills anyway,
that was the only time i went 1 v 3 and won, normally i try to get out of town or i die, but you never know who you are flying against so you just might win.
44MAG
knight barbarian
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Don't worry, pyls i'll still be your friend.:D
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Gangbanging complaints are silly.....who flies what you're drivin anyway...who decides when to engage and when not to?
To whine about other players who enjoy sorties together as a squad or otherwise is pathetic. Then to expect others to fight in some way which you deem as honorable is even more pathetic.
I personally fly with my squadmates whenever possible because, well, WE ARE A SQUAD! Crazy isn't it?:rolleyes:
I also have asked for the help of some of the better knife fighters in the game to help me improve my knife fightin skills.
Bottom line, to fly and get kills is why we do this....otherwise, we'd just takeoff and fly around waving to each other. If I can land 4-6 kills a hop, I'm having fun....if my method of accomplishing that doesn't please another player, then that's really too bad.
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Now...isn't that more fun than all that killing?
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Sorry Popeye...I'm a Republican:)
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I don't find them silly myself Rude, but I guess that is because I'm constantly fighting 3 or more on 1.
As far as 'who is flying your plane'... not all of us fly the P-51. Not all of us fly the La-7. Not all of us fly the Dora. Although, as gangbanging as a method of getting kills becomes even more prevalent, I can say with very little doubt that most everyone who stays will be flying those planes.
As far as 'who chooses to engage'.... well, that depends on what the circumstances are. I might be engaged in a one on one with someone else when his four buddies jump in. In that case... they chose to engage. And you can't very well run away from them in a 190A5 or a P-38. Although I suppose I could buy the 'argument' of 'Well, it is your fault ANYWAY, because you chose to fly a non-la7 at an altitude of less than 45,000 feet!". Yea, in that case I'm guilty as charged.
Some of the gangbangers 'arguments' make very little sense to me.
"Well, you put yourself in the situation".
- Ah, no I didn't. I won't engage 3 Spits, an La-7, a 109, and a N1K if they are all flying together. At least not in any plane other than the La-7.
"Why don't you go fly somewhere ELSE?"
- Are they trying to say they want to fight AI or something? Want to make some oh so interesting de-acking runs. Maybe pork some fuel? Oh yea, I'm getting a woody just thinking about it. I guess thats where the appeal is.
You see, in some cases (hell, in a lot of cases) the population of the countries isnt exactly 'even'. You'll have numbers that look like 80-130-25 (poor rooks) or 175-120-90. The MA being what it is, you'll see some fighting along the borders. Most of the popsicle's in the MA being what they are, you'll see a lot of clumps of 5 or 10 guys flying 'together' when they are out looking for a fight, rising to 40 or 50 when a 'mission' to take a field is put in our happy little gangbang planner. So... lets say I'm on the Rooks when 90 Bishops come calling at 1 of the 4 fields that is left. Should I log off? Because if I take off in that situation, it is MY FAULT that I'll get gangbanged by 45 Tiffies that are drooling to kill one of maybe five planes they'll see the whole 'mission'. Or, I could up an La-7 and spend 40 minutes running from 6 and 7 on 1's. Boy, that sure is fun.
Rude, I've got nothing against people that fly together in a squadron. Hell, that is what they are for. However, when you fly in your squad, I'd venture to say you dont fly 10 guys out and CAP one of your own bases, waiting for the 1 con that is in the sector to come sauntering by. You go out and LOOK for a somewhat even fight. If you see a lone N1K at 3k, all 10 of you dont go screaming down to kill him. You might send 2 guys, maybe with a third to watch and make sure everything is going OK. What pisses me off are CONSTANT 4,5,6 or more on 1's. People aren't even content to watch someone's bellybutton when they are in absolute control of a 1 on 1. They have to 'help' (read, dive in for the head on, spraying like mad). I've watched 5 or 6 Knights go after some random enemy that was already in a 2 on 1. I've been run down by at least that many enemies countless times this tour. It gets diddlying aggravating. It is honestly getting to the point where I'm debating between just switching to the La-7 and flying it until it gets perked, or cancelling and saving myself 15 bucks a month.
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definition of the ganbang:
Flying your plane into what appears to be a nice engagement of you versus 1-3 of your worthy opponents. You realize that your advantage has worn thin and decide to exit after downing one or all. While exiting, you look up and watch 6-10 not-so-worthy enemies diving into you. You are now the lead in the conga line of death. As you continue to egress, the line becomes longer and longer until one of those pesky La7 drivers manages to close in and start spraying and praying. About that time, all other members of the line within 2k begin to do the same. A quick barrel roll and the La7 driver blows past you. You open fire and nail him in the tailpipe. The N1K that was behind him, still spraying and praying manages to ping you from 1.2k back and knocks off an aileron. Oh well, you didn't need that one anyway. A crazed spit driver sees the conga line and dives down from the upper atmosphere to try and get a piece of you. You look over your left wing and watch him make a large crater as he impacts into the terrain. 3 more guys die to the effects of kill-shooter. Another La7 is closing the gap and spraying like mad. He will exact revenge upon you for foiling his buddy's plan. Your right elevator falls off your plane and you begin to leak fuel. This La7, like his friend, overshoots you and you put some rounds into him. He's still flying, but has started to run away because you somehow managed to avoid his death-strike. That pesky N1K has now closed to within 600 yards and manages to get some more cannon rounds into your plane. Your engine now spews forth black smoke, radiator coolant and seizes. You drop your flaps and gear and bring your wounded bird down while 2 more spits auger behind you trying to be the one to claim the easy kill. You see kill messages #8,9 and 10 flash on the text buffer as you realize that the La7 you pinged didn't make it back to base. The end result of it all is a message that states, "You have been captured".
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we need more fields that are a little less than a sector apart. I would say that then we would have more choice as to the fights we are in. Right now, we have a lot of fields more than a sector apart and it becomes foolish to venture out alone or in twos and threes in slow or mediocre planes because you will be gangbanged by the opportunists who will up in fast planes to "meet" you.
More of the closer fields would allow the players who like to fight midway between fields in the slower or earlier planes a place to play.
lazs
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Well, although I understand where your comin from, it's still up to you to know whats going on around you....if you have multiple dots inbound on dar before or during your fight, you should know that you had better do your business quickly or get out while the gettins good. It works for me:)
As far as flying the 51, I can still avoid the 7v1's flying slower planes by paying attention to whats going on around me or by choosing fights more carefully.
My point is this....no matter what is complained about, you're not going to change the way the MA lives and breathes....the only change that you have control over is how you fly. If the only fight you want is one where you T and B, then the fruit of that choice is eventual death...if you slow down, your food for the masses.
It is the way it is:)
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Originally posted by Urchin
It is honestly getting to the point where I'm debating between just switching to the La-7 and flying it until it gets perked, or cancelling and saving myself 15 bucks a month.
come to the dark side! :mad:
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Urchin,
Your over-exageration to make a point is not cutting it.
If there is a mission of 45+ planes going to a field, it surely is not to "turn on the vulch lamp". I have been in these types missions and the sole object is to trash the WHOLE BASE ... ergo ... no FHs ... no vulch. Never has the intention been to have 45 Tiiffies circle and wait for the vulch.
If I am flying towards an enemy base and encounter 3 or more cons and I am the only "green" guy around, I immediately reverse 180 degrees back to my base or towards multiple "green" dots on radar. Like Rude said, I choose where the fight takes place. If you continue to fly into mutiple cons then you will get ganged and you have no one to blame but yourself.
Tell me that when your country has an opposing country down to 4 bases, you go somewhere else and fly and not attack the remaining fields because you don't want to be a participant in a possible gangbang ?
The only time that I see these "gangbang conga lines" is during base defense or base offensive CAP.
The conga lines for base defense are stupid in my opinion and I very rarely participate in those, other than to try to end the stupidity.
The conga lines for base offensive CAP are more justified due to the fact that there are incoming goons. With that in mind, any and all red icons must be destroyed at all costs. I rarely participate in these either, unless I am one of the first or second attackers. This conga line sometimes backfires on the CAP and there are no planes left to cover the airfield.
There are a lot of people that piss and moan about the AKDesert map, but that is the only map that I can truely find good 1 v 1, 2 v 1, and 3 v 1 fights. All you have to do is find an undefended blinking base and count the dots, pick your plane and go have a hell-of-a-fight. In most cases, you'll find just a couple of 110s, or sometimes they come with maybe a Spit or an F6F ... can be lots of fun.
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Originally posted by PvtPyls
2 vs 1.
I'm just amazed at how many you managed to land with that bait.
Nice hook! You using some sort of pheremone on that lure or something?
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Originally posted by Urchin
As far as 'who is flying your plane'... not all of us fly the P-51. Not all of us fly the La-7. Not all of us fly the Dora. Although, as gangbanging as a method of getting kills becomes even more prevalent, I can say with very little doubt that most everyone who stays will be flying those planes.
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It is honestly getting to the point where I'm debating between just switching to the La-7 and flying it until it gets perked, or cancelling and saving myself 15 bucks a month.
I feel your pain and I found an antidote. I don't fly the P-51D on fighter missions. I don't fly the LA-7 much anymore (unless I'm going up against an inbound Typhoon raid), and I've never flown the Dora.
But I have found the antidote to the LA-7, and it ain't the Mustang, Spitfire, or Typhoon. Sometimes the answer to your problem is simply a change of airplane. I'd tell you what that airplane is, but then I'd have to kill you.
I would also suggest you try the special events arena where there's limited planesets with close-to-equal numbers for balanced gameplay. The Combat Theatre is also a good place to go to avoid the LA-7 hordes. And if you can bag some kills in a furball flying mid-war and early-war planes, then you'll be ready for the LA-7 antidote.
;)
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It is honestly getting to the point where I'm debating between just switching to the La-7 and flying it until it gets perked, or cancelling and saving myself 15 bucks a month. [/B]
Awww...I like LA7s. They taste like chicken. :D
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Originally posted by Puck
Awww...I like LA7s. They taste like chicken. :D
What does chicken taste like, if everything tastes like it??
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Originally posted by LePaul
What does chicken taste like, if everything tastes like it??
LA7s, of course. :D
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mmm ok ,rude, puck, wildthing, good guys to fly with ,....urchin, johnnyb get put on list to gangbang.
now don't get me wrong , i like a even co-alt 1 v 1 , it's the ultimate test, but life and the MA an't like that, you got to play the hand you get (know when to hold em , know when to fold em)
urchin you should just hang out in the MA and challange people to the DA for a 1 v 1 like the knights of the round table with honour an stuff
44MAG
knights barbarian
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Urchin,
Your over-exageration to make a point is not cutting it.
Yes, it is making a point. The fact that you don't agree with what I see as the state of affairs in the MA doesn't invalidate my position.
If there is a mission of 45+ planes going to a field, it surely is not to "turn on the vulch lamp". I have been in these types missions and the sole object is to trash the WHOLE BASE ... ergo ... no FHs ... no vulch. Never has the intention been to have 45 Tiiffies circle and wait for the vulch.
I suppose you are correct here. And the objective of launching 45 planes towards a field that is relatively undefended is what? To ensure that a fight does not take place?
If I am flying towards an enemy base and encounter 3 or more cons and I am the only "green" guy around, I immediately reverse 180 degrees back to my base or towards multiple "green" dots on radar. Like Rude said, I choose where the fight takes place. If you continue to fly into mutiple cons then you will get ganged and you have no one to blame but yourself.
Ok, we'll assume you are right here. Although I generally continue towards the enemy in this situation, to see if I am higher than them, I can understand that some people would immediately turn and run. Lets give you another 'hypothetical' situation. What do you do when you see a single enemy "dot" in a sector with a large enemy 'bar'. I'll usually go check it out, but that is because I WANT to fight. What would you do?
Tell me that when your country has an opposing country down to 4 bases, you go somewhere else and fly and not attack the remaining fields because you don't want to be a participant in a possible gangbang ?
Ok, I'll tell you. When the enemy is down to 4 fields and they are all under attack by hordes of friendlies... I go somewhere else to look for a fight. I guess that may be incomprehensible to some, but that is exactly what I do.
The only time that I see these "gangbang conga lines" is during base defense or base offensive CAP.
I don't. I see them all the time. I'd say a fight that starts off as a 1v1 ends as a 1v1 about 5% of the time.
The conga lines for base defense are stupid in my opinion and I very rarely participate in those, other than to try to end the stupidity.
I never participate in them. I do understand that some can't fight worth a toejam and have no other way to get their kills though.
The conga lines for base offensive CAP are more justified due to the fact that there are incoming goons. With that in mind, any and all red icons must be destroyed at all costs. I rarely participate in these either, unless I am one of the first or second attackers. This conga line sometimes backfires on the CAP and there are no planes left to cover the airfield.
I can understand keeping a base clear for the goons, I don't have a problem with that.
There are a lot of people that piss and moan about the AKDesert map, but that is the only map that I can truely find good 1 v 1, 2 v 1, and 3 v 1 fights. All you have to do is find an undefended blinking base and count the dots, pick your plane and go have a hell-of-a-fight. In most cases, you'll find just a couple of 110s, or sometimes they come with maybe a Spit or an F6F ... can be lots of fun.
Actually.. about 90% of the time on that map when a base is flashing, it is one dweeb in a flakpansie tearing the field up. I'm simply not interested in trying to bomb Flakpansies in a plane, I prefer fighting other planes.
And let me give you a few examples of what I mean. Last night, flying in SFMA. I'm flying on the east side of the map, can't remember which team I was flying against. Figure 5 fields on the 'front line'. One friendly base is under a massive attack by about 50 enemies. One enemy base is under a massive attack by about 50 friendlies. At the other 3 bases.... nothing. 1 or 2 planes flying around looking at the pretty mountains, maybe 1 or 2 flakpansies trying to kill all the ack on the field so they can park their all in wonder weapon there.
Flying today, in a P38. On the west side of the map against the rooks. Huge red bars in the 3 sectors south of the field I take off at. I take off in a P38 and go cruising around. Huge bars... no planes. Finally, I see a Yak a little higher than me, coming in to attack. He overshoots, we get in a rolling scissors. He dives for the deck, I follow him. He starts going around and around and around in circles, apparently waiting for his help to arrive. Finally two or three bad guys show up and a N1K cherry-picks me out of the circle. I know, that was pure SA failure on my part. First, I should have been in an La7, not a P38. Second, once he started running I shouldn't have followed him. Third... oh wait. There is no third, because once his buddies showed up I forced them to engage with my psychic powers. They had no choice but to intervene.
Another sortie in the P38 (yea, I know, another SA failure). Take off again, same place. Get to about 15k. Find a clump of enemy planes. Spit, Spit, Yak, N1K, F4U. They don't appear to actually be DOING anything, but they are all lower than me. Make a pass on the F4U, he split-S's and runs. The other 4 try to claw up to my alititude, I rope the N1K2 and kill him. The other 3 stall out and dive back down. Make a pass on the Yak next, he Split-S's and runs. Rope a Spit on this one. I'm playing around with the other two spits when lo and behold... the Yak comes back with two 109 buddies and another N1K. So I run, and all five of them take off after me. One of the 109s manages to get within 800 yards, whereupon he sprays off 400 rounds of cannon and hits me a grand total of .. once. The Yak gives up, and the 109 that presumably still have cannon ammo gives up to. One of the Spits gives up, after falling about 3k out of the chase. So now I've got a 109, a N1K2, and a Spit chasing me. BTW... the Spit 9 and N1K2 ARE slow... if you are in a Dora, P51, Tiffie, or La7- in a P38 they are just about as fast as you.
Eventually I reach my base and they all turn around and go home.
Honestly, I don't know if it is incompetence, or fear (of what, it is just a whoopee game), or whatever, but the AH population is definately made up of a lot more rutabagas than it used to be. You used to be able to find a fight. People didn't up 50+ Tiffie raids just to kill the AI ack and take the town.
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Heresa gang bang.
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"I suppose you are correct here. And the objective of launching 45 planes towards a field that is relatively undefended is what? To ensure that a fight does not take place?"
From this answer and some of your others, it is obvious that you are not into the "strat" part of this game ... thats cool ... but typically these raids are done enmasse to stop a constant flow of enemy attacks on a nearby base and capture the field. Never have I been in a mission that sent that many planes to an undefended base. These types missions are typically not NOE so there is more than enough time for a reaction and to get a counter attack into the air. When Allies attacked Axis, they sent MANY planes and I am sure they all wished that their target was completely undefended. That to me would be considered a GREAT day.
"Ok, I'll tell you. When the enemy is down to 4 fields and they are all under attack by hordes of friendlies... I go somewhere else to look for a fight. I guess that may be incomprehensible to some, but that is exactly what I do"
Again ... your not into "winning the war" ... no problem, but other people are ... can't fault them for that either ... remember that. For those of us that are into the strat, we will gangbang the crap out of those last fields and in a short amount of time the pain is gone and we are onto a new map with new fronts.
"Actually.. about 90% of the time on that map when a base is flashing, it is one dweeb in a flakpansie tearing the field up. I'm simply not interested in trying to bomb Flakpansies in a plane, I prefer fighting other planes"
Perfectly true in some cases, but you didn't read what I wrote ... I said "count the dots" ... GVs don't show up on radar. If the base is flashing and I see no dots, I will jump into the tower and see if there are any planes near or around the field that are below radar, If so, I will launch and the fight is on. I don't like bombing flakpansies either (pure suicide), but I love to wack them in a Panzer once in awhile :D
For some, or maybe a lot of us, participating in a gangbang or being on the receiving end of a gangbang is NO FUN ... but what is the answer to the solution ? I can't for the life of me think of one, so I just deal with when it happens and when I die, I get me a new ride and start all over again looking for a good fight.
Oh ... I could give a rats bellybutton about my score, so maybe that helps me take the edge off of getting ganged occasionally after entering a good 1 v 1 fight.
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was in tower last night watching both the Bish and rooks attack the knight base i was at. i think we should do away with the country Icon and just keep plane ID in red. this way no one will know who is who and we can all just shoot red.. then bish/rooks will have no idea who is freind or foe. just a thought...:rolleyes: