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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Squire on September 16, 2002, 01:45:33 AM
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Solomons 1943:
Allies: F4U-1 (land only), P-40E, F4F-4, SBD, TBM, BostonIII (Havoc). Maybe the B-26.
Japanese: Ki-61, A6M2, A6M5 (which DID see service in 1943, and is also an A6M3 stand in), D3A Val, and Ki-67.
I have had it with all the "it cant be done posts".
The above setup is fair, historically accurate (close anyways), and workable for both sides. Allies dont get a P-38, but thats ok because the F4U is the "fast" bird. Ki-61 is a good match for it. No Ki-43, thats ok because its a slow a/c with no guns anyways.
Agree or no? If no say WHY, dont just flame away.
*For any 1944-5 setup, you add the N1K2, and the appropriate US types (F6F, P-38, whatever), but try to keep it reasonable.
*The FM-2 is actually a 1944 bird, and belongs there IMHO, despite my earlier inclusion of it in another post.
EDIT: The above setup was concieved by TheBug, I just posted his idea.
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I'd have no probelm with this setup.
I wouldn't object to the FM2 and / or F6F-5. Ki-61-I-KAIcs and A6M5bs can give the F6F-5 a run for its money. Frankly, I find the F6F-5 easier to kill than the F4F-4 and FM2. The F6F doesn't out turn my A6M5b. The biggest potential problem that the F6F-5 would bring is its unrestricted access to 1000lb bombs. 500lb bombs were to most common loadout, by far, for Allied fighters in WWII, even those that could cary 1000lb bombs.
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I like it exactly as Warloc has it. Wouldn't change a thing.
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I've been calling for this exact setup for a few weeks now. I can see no reason why it couldn't or shouldn't be done. I think it would be fun and well balanced.
I'm sorry but this current PTO CT setup is a complete joke, with P47s and P51bs being the main Allied ride. My complaints have nothing to do with which plane is "uber" or not. I've never complained about that and never will. It's all about atmosphere with consideration for playability.
Let's revisit the Solomons 1943 in a couple weeks and set it up just as Warloc has it. Damn I'm begging ya :D
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Just to see how this would work.
Phillipines 1944-5:
Allied: F6F (CV), F4U-1D (CV), FM-2 (CV), TBM(CV), SBD(CV), A20G, P-38L. Allies start with some land bases.
Japanese: N1K2, Ki-61, A6M5, Ki-67, D3A Val.
*You could perk the F4U-1D at 1 pt to keep things civil (less of them than the F6F anyways). I like the perk points thing to balance the CT sometimes, it can be usefull.
The IJ could use a Ki-84, and hopefully one will be coming soon.
Burma 1944:
Allied RAF: Spitfire IX (stand in for the VIII), Hurricane IIC.
Allied USAAF: P-51B, P-47D-11, P-40E, BostonIII (Havoc), B-26.
IJAAF: Ki-61, Ki-67, N1K2 (stand in for the Ki-84).
Allies would be on the offensive here too.
*As a side note BoB setups have only 5 a/c: Ju88, 109, 110, Hurri, Spit. So, it can still be fun, I think.
Just a few ideas.
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I like it, and would be willing to give it a go at sometime in the not-to-distant future. Only thing I might add (might) would be the TBM to the Japanese CV's. They need the torp planes, and the extra ordnance load would be a force balancer. I would probably go with the A20 Havoc instead of the Boston, as Gen Kenny pretty much converted all the A20's in his command to the "commerce destroyer" configuration.
Sabre
CT Staff
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Sabre are you married? 'Cause I think I love 'ya ;)
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I would agree on both counts, actually you could have both types of A20s really.
As for the TBM in IJN colors, well, you could, sure. The Ki-67 (G4M2 stand in) is very good at torping though, but ya, maybe to give them a CV based one sure.
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That would make it rough on the no icons crowd (of one) :D
Still, I guess I could turn on friendly icons. ;)
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Id like both the proposed setups.
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oohh oohhh me2
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Originally posted by Squire
Solomons 1943:
Allies: F4U-1 (land only), P-40E, F4F-4, SBD, TBM, BostonIII (Havoc). Maybe the B-26.
Japanese: Ki-61, A6M2, A6M5 (which DID see service in 1943, and is also an A6M3 stand in), D3A Val, and Ki-67.
Sounds well.
At least it is much better, than the current setup.
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Originally posted by TheBug
Sabre are you married? 'Cause I think I love 'ya ;)
You can't have my Bud Light.
Sabre
CT Staff
P.S. Married with 4 kids, 2 dogs, and a very tolerant wife (a.k.a. C-in-C House)
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Squire, the Ki-67 is nothing near a Betty sub. That's an Oct 1944 medium bomber that hauls prettythang. IMO, if you sub in the Ki-67 as a bomber for the IJN, the USAAF should have the P-38L subbed in for the P-38F and the USN should get the F6F-5 subbed in for the F6F-3. After all, both the P-38L and the F6F-5 entered the war before the Ki-67 did.
Just because both the Peggy and Betty have meatballs on the wings and drop bombs doesn't mean it should be used as the sub for the G4M2. It'd be like if HTC had made the Judy instead of Val and then we started using Judy as the Val substitute. Or if we didn't have Hurricane Is and used Hurri IIc's as the sub in Battle of Britain.
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The Ki-67 is not a fighter and as such cannot dominate the air fighting. Ie its not about to go sweeping the USN like the N1K2 could, as an example.
P-38L and F6F are, and can.
The F4U-1A can deal with Ki-67, and its included in the setup, partly for that reason.
Its not perfect, but its still a workable setup IMHO, with the F4U being in there from land bases. I would have it non perked.
The A-20 or B-26 is a hard nut to crack for a Ki-61 or an A6M5 too. Try downing *any* US bomber in a IJ fighter for that matter. Its not a picnic either. Check the speeds of a Ki-61 to a B-26 or an A-20.
*The closest cousin for Ki-67 is the Ki-49 "Dinah" which was @ the same size, bomb payload, and armament as a Ki-67, but it did about 305 mph tops. It served in the SW Pacific in 1943 in numbers.
I guess we just have to work with what we have. Its not the only CT setup possible for 1943...its just one.
Regards.