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Title: F4u-4
Post by: Turbot on September 17, 2002, 01:12:46 AM
Why not more fly it?  It is an incredible plane, and unlike other perkies has lots of armor.  I 've had La7 p51 and at same time some diving wanna be fool in f4f on my butt on deck (ping ping ping ping) but made it home to land kills no damage.

I had always thought f4U4 to be a dog never really tried it.

Only just trying it out but this not bad:  (for me especially)

turbot has 13 kills and has been killed 3 times in the F4U-4 against all countries.
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Karnak on September 17, 2002, 01:19:02 AM
Because like the Ta152H-1 and Spitfire Mk XIV it compares unfavorably to certain free fighters when the penalty of perks and perk tags are added.  None of those aircraft see much usage because they are not easy to escape with.  The Tempest and Me262 can out run anything.
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Turbot on September 17, 2002, 01:24:54 AM
Then how do you explain it working for me? I'll take that K/D ratio any day!  Perk tag be damned I know everyone wants to kill me no matter what I fly (or at least I plan my flights that way :) )

PS (preemptive edit to add mossie stats)   I know someone gonna say, whaa but that is in f4u4

turbot has 23 kills and has been killed 5 times in the Mosquito Mk VI against all countries.   (well how do you think I afford F4u-4?  Surely not by flying la7 :)  La7 dweeb would have to fly 5 years to afford even one :p  )

And not a single one of those is a GV (i think).

Sometimes I think we miss out by just accepting conventional wisdom.   Try all the planes and see what works for you I say.  
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Innominate on September 17, 2002, 01:49:28 AM
Two reasons,

First off, it's gangbang tags.  Any plane that can point it's nose at you will target you, this means you need to be above everyone to have a chance to survive.  I know that you'll get gangbanged at some point no matter what you fly, but for the vast majority of players, target selection goes like this:

Look through planes I can point my guns at.  If I spot a perk plane, latch onto it.  If there are no perk planes, look for the easiest kill.

Only safe place for an f4u4 is above every other fighters zoom range.


Second, The f4u4 is a great plane, especally above 20000feet, the problem is, at that altitude, you're going to spend more time looking for someone to shoot at than anything else.  Between 10k and 20k, the f4u4's performance is very similar to the p51d but it's quite good enough. The problem is that you'll never have just one bogey on you(See above).  Under 10k, where virtually alll fighting happens, the la7 dominates the f4u4 in just about every way.  The f4u4 has two possible ways to combat the la7.  First, the f4u4 can get above 450mph where the la7 controls become sluggish, which will usually only provide an escape.  Second, the f4u4 can drop it's flaps all the way, and beat the la7 in a stall-speed turning fight, however because of the gangbang tags, doing this is suicide.


Basicly two points:
f4u4 has perk performance, but not good enough performance to survive alongside the p51(Which it is very similar to) because of it's gangbang tags.

The la7 is a free perk plane, it dominates the area under 10,000feet where 90% of the fighting happens.  It has great accelleration, no free fighter can run it down without a signficant alt advantage, and it's able to out-turn most of the higher speed fighters, except at stall speed(Which it has enough power to avoid completly)
Title: F4u-4
Post by: beet1e on September 17, 2002, 01:53:41 AM
Turbot - I believe the F4U-4 has twin superchargers, but they really make a difference at 23,000 ft and upwards. I use the F4U for jabo, and for that, the -4 probably not even as good as the 1c. The three reasons I don't fly the F4U-4 are these:
Title: F4u-4
Post by: AKcurly on September 17, 2002, 01:56:49 AM
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Originally posted by Innominate

f4u4 has perk performance, but not good enough performance to survive alongside the p51(Which it is very similar to) because of it's gangbang tags.

The la7 is a free perk plane, it dominates the area under 10,000feet where 90% of the fighting happens.  It has great accelleration, no free fighter can run it down without a signficant alt advantage, and it's able to out-turn most of the higher speed fighters, except at stall speed(Which it has enough power to avoid completly)


Maybe we've been flying different F4U-4s :)  The F4U-4 is far superior to the La7 and P51.  It turns really well (better than the la7 and p51) and out accelerates both.  It's faster than both planes at main arena altitudes - in short, you can easily beat both planes flying their game: They can't run away from you and they can't outturn you.

At least this has been my experience. :)

curly
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Wotan on September 17, 2002, 02:28:42 AM
6 guys in my squad are 174 and 10 in the Ta152 (16 to 1 k/d)

I bet if we flew f4u-4s we would do even better then that.

We dont fly umm in packs or at 50k or away in some corner. I am no more "gangbanged" in a 152 then I am in a 190d9.

The f4u-4 is a good plane and can hold its own against any plane in the set. I only ever flew the spit 14 once in the ct. It was a spitfire and I hated and didnt get any kills are rtb'd switched sides upped a 152 and shot down 2 spit 14s and a temp.

I hate to say it again but the gangbang tag arguement  is laughable. But if this same bogus arguement keeps get thrown out then I have to offer a counter. The way I see it people always try to kill me in whatever plane I fly. And from what I gather from my squaddies (who fly planes with perk tags more then anyone in this thread) its the same no matter what the icon.

Perk planes arent perked on performance alone, nor is a plane's perk value an indication of how good you think a plane should be.

If you arent gangbanged in any plane in ah, you aint doing something right.
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Innominate on September 17, 2002, 02:29:01 AM
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Originally posted by AKcurly


Maybe we've been flying different F4U-4s :)  The F4U-4 is far superior to the La7 and P51.  It turns really well (better than the la7 and p51) and out accelerates both.  It's faster than both planes at main arena altitudes - in short, you can easily beat both planes flying their game: They can't run away from you and they can't outturn you.

At least this has been my experience. :)

curly


Directly on the deck, the f4u4 does behave much like an la7, though it's accelleration is slow.  Where you get the f4u4 having good accelleration(except in a dive) I'm not sure, maybe you have the f4u4 and la7  mixed up.

The la7 outruns the f4u4 all the way up to about 10000 feet.  From about 3000 to 14000 feet, the p51d is faster.  Between 1500feet, and about 15000 feet, the f4u4's speed is unremarkable.

At low altitude without getting into flaps-down fighting(Which is suicide with gangbang tags), the f4u4 can turn inside the p51, but not the la7.


To wotan:
Dispute this:

Target selection process for most MA pilots:
Look through planes I can point my guns at.  If I spot a perk plane I can get near, latch onto it.  If there are no perk planes, look for the easiest kill.

Is this wrong?

If the gangbang tags aren't an issue, then removing them on the f4u4, spit14, and 152 shouldn't be a problem.


*addition*
I did a few tests between the la7 and f4u4 on the deck, and was a bit surprised.  Note that, a thousand feet higher, and the f4u4 starts to fall behind severely.

Accelleration with wep at 100feet, in seconds

            La7     F4U-4
200-250     11.9     13.33
250-300     17.6     19.81
300-350     36.1     40.35


The F4U-4 maxed out at 377mph, after 3:17(From hitting the 200mph mark)
The la7 maxes out at only 379mph, after 3:14, it hit 377 however, in only 2:31.

So an f4u4 diving to the deck in a run for home is in a pretty decent position.    At lower speeds, it doesnt fall too far behind the la7 in acceleration, but is still outclassed on the deck.  However since the f4u4 in this position is more or less pinned to the deck, it is vulnerable to attacks from above.

And finally, The f4u4 is a perk plane, it should remain perked.  It's performance justifies it's price, however it doesnt justify the handicap of the gangbang tags.  These tags make the 262, the tempest, and the f4u-1c the only perk planes really worth using.
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Karnak on September 17, 2002, 05:05:05 AM
Players who are more or less average, such as myself, who make up the bulk of the subscriber base lack the skills to be as effective as Turbot or Wotan's squadmates.  Comparing us to them is silly and says nothing, unless you're take on it is that perk planes should be for the elite few to enjoy, and the rest of us to struggle with.

But it is the lack of the ability to survive in the F4U-4 and Spit XIV that make us average types not use them much.  The Ta152 is just porked.

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Originally posted by beet1e:
What's the point of a jabo fighter which is at its best above 23,000 ft?:confused:

To attack Nepal?
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Wilbus on September 17, 2002, 06:19:37 AM
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Because like the Ta152H-1 and Spitfire Mk XIV it compares unfavorably to certain free fighters when the penalty of perks and perk tags are added. None of those aircraft see much usage because they are not easy to escape with. The Tempest and Me262 can out run anything.


The F4u4 is about 5mph faster at the deck then an LA7, both using WEP, without both using WEP the LA7 is a bit faster.

All perks planes are targeted, have lots of films to show that, 5 people getting rid of 20k just to chase a low and slow Ta152 (which have been me most of the time). The F4u4 is far better, it should be perked but not for 55 unless the LA7 is perked. Don't give me no crap about LA7 being bad above 10k, no fights hardly ever happen above 10k anyway, if it does, and you're in an LA7, you can just dive and outaccelerate everything.
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Masherbrum on September 17, 2002, 06:31:01 AM
Of the three I have come across, I've shot them all down.  I prefer the C-Hog.

K2
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Zippatuh on September 17, 2002, 07:47:23 AM
The F4U-4 is a very capable aircraft.  So much so that I use it for the most part in a JABO roll.  I like having the extra power getting to the target.  I hate having the perk sign above me but after a mistake I made with the Spit 14 and 9 I found something out.  My k/d in a low alt furball in a perky wasn’t any worse than what it was in my regular rides.

I still find that.  Either my k/d is better in the perky, and I use it low and in the dirt, or at least equal to other aircraft.

I wont argue that people will drop everything to come your direction but that can be used to a good advantage.  I’m starting to believe the perception is wrong.  Are you more or less self conscious when you step into a perky?  If it’s more, who’s fault is that?  After all it’s just another aircraft right? ;)
Title: F4u-4
Post by: lazs2 on September 17, 2002, 08:04:57 AM
inominate is correct... for the arena... You are better off in a lag7 than a -4 99% of the time.   The arena has become a very cautious place with all the fast late model planes and the long distances between fields.  

Hate to admit it but the lag or p51 is about the only solution to arena play in most cases these days.
lazs
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Turbot on September 17, 2002, 08:37:28 AM
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Originally posted by Karnak
Players who are more or less average, such as myself, who make up the bulk of the subscriber base lack the skills to be as effective as Turbot or Wotan's squadmates.  Comparing us to them is silly and says nothing, unless you're take on it is that perk planes should be for the elite few to enjoy, and the rest of us to struggle with.


Players don't get any more average than me, if I am living in it anyone can :)
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Purzel on September 17, 2002, 08:41:31 AM
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Originally posted by Karnak
To attack Nepal?


ROFL

:o :p :D
Title: F4u-4
Post by: beet1e on September 17, 2002, 10:14:59 AM
Lazs!  How ya doing? :)
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The arena has become a very cautious place with all the fast late model planes and the long distances between fields. Hate to admit it but the lag or p51 is about the only solution to arena play in most cases these days.
Erm... did someone whisper something about an RPS in a thread a little while ago?
Sorry about that. Don't know what came over me. :rolleyes: :p
Title: F4u-4
Post by: air_guard on September 17, 2002, 11:42:41 AM
you have only flied it 13 times and have already 3 deaths.
150 perk points lost is it worth it ?

The plane is not worth 50 perk points whatsovever vs some other late war planes !
we have the la7 and p51`s that go a easy kill if in a good hand vs the fu4-4.

Its a joke ! I dont understand why HTC after all the critics they have had about the fu4-4 still have it perked 50, but by all means they can have it perked and leave it mostly unused.

wtf is the reason for it anyway, they should not have intruduced here anyway when it is like this.

then again perk points is good for the company since people dunnot wanna leave cause they loose their perks hehe.
just in case they wanna come back 2 months later rofl. :D
Title: F4u-4
Post by: AKIron on September 17, 2002, 11:55:06 AM
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Originally posted by Karnak

To attack Nepal?


The AK's are working on another map. 23k jabo ability may come in handy.


:D
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Wlfgng on September 17, 2002, 11:58:03 AM
agreed.  I'm working on a high-alt map myself.

It's kinda neat having bases above 10k...
let's see how those la7 lovers like it :)
Title: F4u-4
Post by: beet1e on September 17, 2002, 11:58:37 AM
AKIron - what will the next one be? AK-Tiramisu? LOL!  Just kidding. I like the pizza map in many ways.
Title: F4u-4
Post by: MrLars on September 17, 2002, 12:11:30 PM
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Originally posted by Innominate


To wotan:
Dispute this:

Target selection process for most MA pilots:
Look through planes I can point my guns at.  If I spot a perk plane I can get near, latch onto it.  If there are no perk planes, look for the easiest kill.

Is this wrong?




Some of us target the La's, Niks Spits and 51's first...that way the sky's clear of the pickpockets who'll surely nab your perk plane kill as it spirals to earth in flames :D
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Innominate on September 17, 2002, 04:45:09 PM
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Originally posted by air_guard
The plane is not worth 50 perk points whatsovever vs some other late war planes !
...
Its a joke ! I dont understand why HTC after all the critics they have had about the fu4-4 still have it perked 50, but by all means they can have it perked and leave it mostly unused.


Well first off, the plane isnt perked because of it's performance.  It's a 1945 end-of-the-war plane, and didn't see a whole lot of combat.  There is no way in hell it should be unperked.  It's killer handicap is its tags, which scream "KILL ME" to all of the planes which are in any position to catch it.  This is why the chog does so well, no gangbang tags, and it's still flown like a perk plane.

If the f4u4 were unperked, it would become the best jabo in the game hands down.  It's only 2mph slower than an la7 at top speed(though takes much longer to get there)  The perk price isn't the problem.  Anyone who spends time in planes with a high eny can easily earn tons of perks.  If anything the perk prices should be increased.  The prices are fairly irrelevent, it's the gangbangs that ruin the fun of flying them.
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Wotan on September 17, 2002, 05:05:31 PM
i dont get any more gangbanged in a 152 anymore then I do in a an a5.

Its not a reference of skill but personal experience. Neither karnak or innominate seem to have enough time in perk planes to make this a judgement based on the icons. You arent in a position to know why someone is chasing. You pressume everyone wants to kill a perk plane.

A kill is a kill and a death is a death no matter plane you fly.

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Target selection process for most MA pilots:
Look through planes I can point my guns at. If I spot a perk plane I can get near, latch onto it. If there are no perk planes, look for the easiest kill.


People go for the easiest kills period. People try to kill me in whatever plane I fly regardless of the icon. I am much more likely to survive in a perk plane being chased by an arena of la7s then in an a5.

You dress your arguement up any way you want. The stats show perk planes out performing most other planes. Guys in my squad who have flown perk planes more this tour then either of you to have since ah got them dont see the enmass gangbang you claim.

So outside your very limited experience, there no basis for your claim.

Here is Zip whos not in my squad and flies the f4u-4 and does well in it. Read what he says...

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The F4U-4 is a very capable aircraft. So much so that I use it for the most part in a JABO roll. I like having the extra power getting to the target. I hate having the perk sign above me but after a mistake I made with the Spit 14 and 9 I found something out. My k/d in a low alt furball in a perky wasn’t any worse than what it was in my regular rides.

I still find that. Either my k/d is better in the perky, and I use it low and in the dirt, or at least equal to other aircraft.

I wont argue that people will drop everything to come your direction but that can be used to a good advantage. I’m starting to believe the perception is wrong. Are you more or less self conscious when you step into a perky? If it’s more, who’s fault is that? After all it’s just another aircraft right?
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Innominate on September 17, 2002, 05:36:11 PM
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Originally posted by Wotan
You dress your arguement up any way you want. The stats show perk planes out performing most other planes. Guys in my squad who have flown perk planes more this tour then either of you to have since ah got them dont see the enmass gangbang you claim.

 


ANY plane that gets perked will have perk stats.  They get those stats because they  are flown LIKE perk planes, as much as thier performance(Excepting the tempest and 262, both of which have performance deserving the tags).  Any plane perked would get a k/d ratio.

Why does the 10perk f4u1c have a higher k/d ratio than the 50perk f4u4?

Answer: The tags.

And like i said before, If the tags don't hurt the plane, there is no need for them to have them.
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Wotan on September 17, 2002, 05:43:40 PM
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My k/d in a low alt furball in a perky wasn’t any worse than what it was in my regular rides.


Zip doesnt seem to have you problem. Neither do I.  My k/t is a bit higher then yours and I have flown perk planes more often and dont fly it any differently then I would fly any other.

Again evidence doesnt support you.

Perk tags are there to let the rest of us know what we are facing. You want folks to be able to hide behind perk tags so they can get easy kills.

The perk system works well even with the icons.

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Why does the 10perk f4u1c have a higher k/d ratio than the 50perk f4u4?


Because of its 4 hispanos........
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Innominate on September 17, 2002, 06:08:04 PM
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Originally posted by Wotan


Because of its 4 hispanos........
 


So if the f4u1c had the tag "F4U1C", it's stats wouldnt change?

The tag argument is wrong also, If you believe that you should be arguing for EVERY plane to have a specific model tag.  We already have numerous planes with the same tags which have significant performance differences.
The 109F vs 109G for instance, is a huge performance difference.
There is the spit9 vs spit5, the f4u's, the 190's, etc.
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Puke on September 18, 2002, 01:00:59 AM
I'm not going to even suggest what other people do.  But personally, when and if I see a perk aircraft which is a viable target, I select it to attack over other aircraft just based on its tag.

Put 1 in the column "tags do have an affect."
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Mino on September 18, 2002, 01:17:36 AM
Innominate;

The F4U-4, Ta152, Tempest and the Spit VIX are all late war aren't they?

They each have much different perk point values.

But....

I don't fly it much at all, nor do I fly any perk plane.

But....

I sure fly after anyone I see.  It is like a special trophy I guess.

Maybe all these planes should have the same perk values, and a bit lower say 25 perks.

And....

 I have been hear alot of Ta152 is perk pork lately.  Seems like whining to me.  Why is that?
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Samm on September 18, 2002, 01:20:15 AM
Tag's have a definate effect . The spit14 for example, yeah it goes very fast but it handles like crap at high speeds . If you want to get kills in it you're going to have to mix it up a bit, and when you do the four p51s that have been following you around will all be competing for your scalp as fast as they can . That's the reason they are so rarely encountered, not their price .
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Wilbus on September 18, 2002, 04:35:30 AM
Oh yeah whenever someone points out that a LW plane is porked it's whining...
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Fariz on September 18, 2002, 06:01:49 AM
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Oh yeah whenever someone points out that a LW plane is porked it's whining...


Damn Wil, you came here to whine? :)

Actually, gradually icons are the best decision to make both slow perks to work, and they are realistic also. People can destinct enemy/friendly planes at bigger distance usually, than they can say what exactly type of plane it is. They can distinct a model only when it is very close normally.

IMHO it shall be this way: plane get enemy/friendly icon at 5k. You get type of plane at 2.5k. You get a model at 1k. (as usually numbers may be adjusted).

If you get its model, for example Yak9U, this tag shall stay on icon till plane get out of icon range again. So, even if this plane ran out of you, you will still see his model icon, because you have identified it already.

This system looks pretty natural, I do not know why it is not implemented this way. Probably it is some design considerations, which I have no idea about.
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Wilbus on September 18, 2002, 06:09:43 AM
I came here to whine about people whining about what they consider is whining about LW planes just because some people point out that that particular LW plane is porked, and do so by using lots of WW2 aswell as post war information about a certain type.

Good idea though Fariz.
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Mino on September 18, 2002, 07:20:36 AM
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Oh yeah whenever someone points out that a LW plane is porked it's whining...


This is not my first exposure and not by a wide margin.  From my stand point, once the hub bub gets to constant drone I kind of tune out any further valid informantion and it becomes whining.  LW fans seem to be most over-persistent in this prosecution.  

Wilbuz, does it seem that way to you?
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Wilbus on September 18, 2002, 12:45:09 PM
It's not whining when someone points out what's wrong and proves it wrong.
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Fariz on September 18, 2002, 01:29:14 PM
Wil, I was joking :)

I think it is just teasing, nothing more.
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Wilbus on September 18, 2002, 02:50:20 PM
I know you were joking fariz but some other people aren't, I'm getting sick and tired about hearing everybody whine as soon as somepbody points something about about an LW plane THAT IS ****** UP! If it's a whine, somebody says "that plane is porked" but he/she doens't show any info of it, THAT'S a whine.

Show proof and evidence, it's pointing out a flaw/bug, end of story.

Fariz, this was not aimed at you.
Title: F4u-4
Post by: moot on September 18, 2002, 06:48:25 PM
If Mino had interest in whther this is whining or not he'd argue.
It looks more like he has a secret pleasure in typing variations of Luftwhiner
A bit like Manx telling me right out before we duel "I just hate LW pilots". You enjoy rubbing it in?
Just wtf do you think this is? A game of SM? It's not likely anyone is taking the M role..
I'm a guy playing this game just like you are; If I or Wilbuz do this it is probably for the same legitimate reasons Ripsnort infatuates on the F7F.
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Tac on September 19, 2002, 12:04:26 AM
Let me put it to you this way...


From 0->10k You are a target. Even a P-38 will kill you.

From 10k->20k You are a target. A P-38 will kill you.

From 20->30k You are a Target. A P-38 will kill you

From 30k->40k You are a Target. A P-38 will bounce you.

Any questions?
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Mino on September 19, 2002, 03:20:02 AM
You are wrong Moot.

I have alot of confidence that should any plane be shown to HTC that its FM is not correct.  It will be changed.  I have learned that all this takes is patience.  I have also realized that it takes time for this to happen.  End of story

Examples that come immediately to my mind are the 109-G10, the P-51D, the 190A-5, the N1K2 and the P-38L.  These FM have been changed.  In the case of the P-38L, the FM was changed several times.  Now, the FM's seen more or less correct in there current model.  End of story

In every case, FM problems were fixed.  Let me repeat that.  In every case, FM problems were fixed.  I am absolutely certain, that if the Ta152 FM is shown to be in error, of which I have no real clue about, it will be corrected.  End of story.

Not once in all these FM changes have I seen HTC do so in what I would call a rapid fashion.  In other words, you probably won't see them screwing up a screw up, just to screw that up.  These FM changes evolve.  They do not pop in and out at every players desire, no matter what level of attention is exerted.  End of story.

But......

The insesstant badgering demanding insulting accusational nagging gets really old.  So I paraphase all that I have stated above and lump it into one whole and complete word that is universal among AH players.  A word that everyone can understand.  This word is "whining".  End of story

Every player whines, exceptions to this are extremely rare.  What is not quite so rare is that LW fans often take this concept to the next level.  Like I stated before, this is not my first exposure to any of this.

Personally, I honestly hope that the FM claims about the Ta152 are valid and that the appropriate changes to it are made.  Wilbuz has demostrated alot of research and put forth alot of effort into proving his claims.

Just my humble opinion.  Can you possibly can get over it? :)
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Mino on September 19, 2002, 03:25:09 AM
Wilbuz,

I found nothing you posted up to be whining.  Not in the slightess, don't be so defensive.

Well done!
Title: F4u-4
Post by: moot on September 19, 2002, 04:04:23 AM
I agree with your second post. case closed.

On the 152 in AH, what's too itchy is i've never seen something this fishy, to not say wrong. It's a game, yes, not perfect, but what htc does is most of the time unreproachable.

The name doesn't match the paint/paint doesn't match name.
There are a few things that don't add up, there seems to be engine power missing, or weight in excess, even though most things point to that weight being 'right', since this is the H1 with extra equipment.
The engine power seems off; even without looking at charts you can tell something's amiss. This isn't an intrinsic quality of "being a LW"er..

o/t
if one of the H1 wing tanks contained boost-system liquid, there is one wing carrying more fuel than the other?

a nice -H paint job:
(http://www.kamburjan.de/aero/Other/Luftwaffe/ta152hjg301nach.JPG)
Title: F4u-4
Post by: straffo on September 19, 2002, 04:12:39 AM
moot were did you got this sentence ? :

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Aujourd'hui plus qu'hier. Demain moins qu'aujourd'hui. En moi est l'Autre. Nous deux mêlés. En toi ennemi, ami, frére : mon identité.
Title: F4u-4
Post by: moot on September 19, 2002, 04:34:03 AM
Tu l'as deja vu autre part? Je ne sais plus ou je l'ai trouve, c'est un melange de qqchose que j'ai pense il y a longtemps, et d' autre chose que j'ai du lire qqpart.
Title: F4u-4
Post by: straffo on September 19, 2002, 04:39:20 AM
oui ça me dit quelque chose ....
mais je sais pas d'ou :(

Je pense a un livre sur la 1ere guerre modiale ... mais lequel ? ça je  ne sais pas :(
Title: F4u-4
Post by: moot on September 19, 2002, 04:46:52 AM
Je te file un email si je trouve d'ou ça vient.
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Mino on September 19, 2002, 06:51:44 AM
BTW Wilbuz;

My original post was only concerned with the thread topic.  That topic I thought had to with perk points of various AC.

I had played in the MA earlier and there was alot of hub bub conversation concerning perk points.  The Ta152 came up often and a fairly common comment was that it was "perk porked".  

I had never heard this before, found it some what humorous and I had thought some of the people posting in this thread might know what was going with that.  :)
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Wilbus on September 19, 2002, 07:41:46 AM
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Wilbuz,

I found nothing you posted up to be whining. Not in the slightess, don't be so defensive.

Well done!


Rgr Mino, my appologize, thought what you said before was pointed at some of the Ta152 threads.

Mate :)

Title: F4u-4
Post by: Turbot on September 19, 2002, 07:55:29 AM
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Originally posted by air_guard
you have only flied it 13 times and have already 3 deaths.
150 perk points lost is it worth it ?


I have this odd compulsion to strafe the Ostwind.  It's a sickness.  I have yet to take damage in the F4U-4 from any fighter, and I have not flown it 13 times - just have killed 13 times:)
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Glasses on September 19, 2002, 08:07:19 AM
You're generalizing Mino, it was me who said that only me.

I agree that Wlbuz has made a strong case in by which he has proven the 152 H-1 FM( & paint scheme) to be in error and I also hope it gets fixed or is at least in the list to be fixed sometime in the future(not the I want it now some of the people think most want things done around here).
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Innominate on September 19, 2002, 08:13:26 AM
Go away luftwhiners.  This is a corsair-whiners thread. :D:D:D
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Turbot on September 19, 2002, 08:18:43 AM
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Originally posted by Mino
Innominate;

The F4U-4, Ta152, Tempest and the Spit VIX are all late war aren't they?

They each have much different perk point values.

But....

I don't fly it much at all, nor do I fly any perk plane.

But....

I sure fly after anyone I see.  It is like a special trophy I guess.

Maybe all these planes should have the same perk values, and a bit lower say 25 perks.

And....

 I have been hear alot of Ta152 is perk pork lately.  Seems like whining to me.  Why is that?



I guess if your don't fly em you will never know :)
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Innominate on September 19, 2002, 08:34:12 AM
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Originally posted by Mino
Innominate;

The F4U-4, Ta152, Tempest and the Spit VIX are all late war aren't they?

They each have much different perk point values.
 


They are much different planes.  

The tempest is the ultimate MA plane.  Nothing short of a 262 can run it down without a big alt advantage.  In this sense it has a huge advantage over anything else in the sky.

The F4U-4 and spit14 are(Given a status similar to thier free relatives, no gangbang tags or perk cost) EXCELLENT MA planes, with significant advantages over everything else.  The f4u4 has unbelievably potential(useless with the gangbang tags though) as a jabo.  The spit14 is very much similar to an unmaneuverable spit9 without it's wep, which only lasts for 5 minutes.  Without wep it's not that great.  Both the spit14 and the f4u4 are vulnerable to the free fighters in a co-e situation, a status which the tempest gets to mostly avoid.

Then we have the la7 which is a large cause of these problems.  It's essentially perk speed, with an exceptional turning ability, and adequate firepower.  At high speed, it will turn inside just about any fighter who's speed is anywhere near it.  At low speed, it can be beaten without too much trouble, but given the la7's accelleration, it's trivial to keep the plane from slowing down too much.

I'll skip the 152, because I havn't flown it much.

As has been stated before though, perk prices aren't always based totally on performance.  The spit14 and f4u4 NEED to be perked, unlike the tempest and 262 though, they lack the performance to survive the handicap of the gangbang tags in an MA situation.
Title: F4u-4
Post by: Wilbus on September 19, 2002, 09:02:58 AM
Both Spit 14 and F4u-4 can survive the gangbangs if flown the right way, I've had 190's, 109 G10 and LA7's dive in on me from alt when in my spit 14, just make them bleed there E and then leave them in the dirt. However, I do agree, both those planes are WAY overpriced, about 20 for each of them would be good. They need to be perked but their tags need to be taken away.

With the sky full of LA7's (sure they may not have the most kills in the MA but they are the most numerous after, possibly, the spit 9) you can't afford to get low in any of those two planes as you'll soon find your self surounded by LA7's and spits, if you run from an La7 he'll catch you, when he does and you outturn him, the spit will kill you.

The Ta152 is just a porked victim.