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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Midnight on September 17, 2002, 10:54:32 AM
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It seems to me that many people sign up for scenarios with no serious intention of participating. Kind of like they are thinking if they happen to make it, "great," if not, "oh well."
We all know the registration process has come under fire in more than one scenario. If it's first come first serve, those that can't get to a computer get screwed. If it's a lottery, many don't get to play where they want to and bail out.
Well how about instituting a small registration fee ($5.00) for those that really want to participate and not have to worry about getting in or getting assigned the slot they wanted.
For the first day or two of registration, anyone that wants to pay $5.00 can sign up AND select the country, squad, aircraft, etc. that they want to be in for the scenario. After the second day, registration becomes free but also reverts to the first come first serve system that we have now.
As for the $5.00 fee... Let HTC take a small percentage for administration, and let the CMs split up the rest as credits to their AH accounts. This way, the CMs recieve compensation for all the hard work they put in trying to get these events setup.
I personally think the overall effect would be less whining about how porked the registration is and how unfair it is to be stuck in an aircraft you don't want because some other dweeb got signed up before you did. Then come game day, that sorry SOB doesn't even show up to play, leaving a seat open to some 'reserve' pilot who signed up AFTER you did.
I for one would gladly pay $5.00 in advance if the upcoming scenario was of high interest to me. If it wasn't, I would just wait until the registration went from pay to free and sign up then.
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You still would have to use a 'first come, first served' system for paying registrees. There's only so many slots for a particular ride in any scenario.
But the idea sounds workable.
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No offense to anyone here, CM, HTC, or otherwise... but after flying in a couple scenarios a while ago...
No way in hell would I willingly pay 'em to fly in 'em.
Dramatic and improvement come to mind before $5 does.
-SW
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Originally posted by Dowding
You still would have to use a 'first come, first served' system for paying registrees. There's only so many slots for a particular ride in any scenario.
I agree, but I would be more comfortable knowing that the people who signed up did so because they really wanted to, and not just because it was a whim with no investment. I think if someone is willing to pay $5.00, at least they are showing real interest. If a particular flight gets filled, it would be a pretty good chance that most (if not all) of the registered pilots would be there at launch time.
I think this would also help a great deal in planning. When I was FL for a squad in a scenario, all of my orders went to pot because only 3 of my actual 8 registered showed up. Trying to brief walk-ons and fill up the squad during the last 20 minutes before roll time was a HUGE pain in the ass. I didn't get my last 2 pilots until about 4 minutes prior to launch, and then the whole flight was disorganized.
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AKSWulfe,
You tried the new Saturday CAP event yet?
(http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/extern/640697.jpg)
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Nah, this was based on scenarios a while ago... admitted to that.
I don't mean just the scenario team either.. connections, more stable FE, etc...
I just can't see paying money to get into a scenario (let's say it's setup the best ever), and I'm flying for 30 minutes starting to get anxious for combat.. I see cons... and then.... green beacon... and then... I disco from the server....
Not only would that be a waste of my time, but my money.
I don't wanna complain or start a squeak fest here or piss anyone off... I'm just saying...
-SW
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Midway will have the first come first server to fill out the initial rosters.
EVERYONE who registeres will be assigned to Squadron. This gives us a LARGE Built in reserve that the CO's and FL's can use to fill out the OPEN spots from those that choose NOT TO LIVE UP TO THIER SCENARIO COMMITMENT !
The RAF side in the BoB Scenario had a LARGE Reserve to work with and had to usefew if any walkons and all flights flew at 100%.
We hope to achieve the SAME fo rBOTH SIDES in Midway.
Charging for events would fall under HTC's ruling.
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One theory I have heard is to REFUND Back the fee to those that do attend.
Any non-refunded fee goes for BEER for the CM's ( or diet Coke for me ! )
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all I know is that I've signed up for all the major senarios and I don't think I've ever been picked to fly one. BoB being the last. :( This was my favorite part of WB and I would love to be a flight leader again. After the BoB though I'm kinda mad at it. How many times do you have to sign up before you're given a slot, and I don't want to fly as a walk-on. I want to be a flight leader or at least be part of a flight.
sigh..... I'll give it a go for Midway too I guess but I don't have my hopes up.:confused: :confused:
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Originally posted by Udie
all I know is that I've signed up for all the major senarios and I don't think I've ever been picked to fly one. BoB being the last. :( This was my favorite part of WB and I would love to be a flight leader again. After the BoB though I'm kinda mad at it. How many times do you have to sign up before you're given a slot, and I don't want to fly as a walk-on. I want to be a flight leader or at least be part of a flight.
sigh..... I'll give it a go for Midway too I guess but I don't have my hopes up.:confused: :confused:
You will get picked for MIDWAY if you register. You may not get your FIRST Choice and you may end up as a RESERVE to start with.
In ALL AH Scenarios that I have been a part of anyone who made the list or a reserve ended up flying.
If you want to be a FL we will be create a FL Wannabe Thread so the CO's can see who REALLY Wants to ehlp and will follow orders and keep tabs of thier Pilots they are responsible for and will show up on Frame day with the understanding of the orders sent to them and that the people in their flight will know what to do at take off.
Keep you chin UP !
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I like the idea of a deposit. You only get charged if you are a no-show.
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Neet idea funkedUP.
I seem to recall when AH first got started that the idea was to charge a fee for scenarios so I believe MNs suggestion is both valid and previously anticipated.
I tend to shy away from special events in any event. They just havent arisen to my high expectation (never did in WBs either for that matter). Guess Im just hard to please, or pleased to be hard.....haha
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Originally posted by Yeager
Neet idea funkedUP.
I seem to recall when AH first got started that the idea was to charge a fee for scenarios so I believe MNs suggestion is both valid and previously anticipated.
I tend to shy away from special events in any event. They just havent arisen to my high expectation (never did in WBs either for that matter). Guess Im just hard to please, or pleased to be hard.....haha
Kind of hard for us to REACH your level of expectation if we do not know what they are ?
What are AH Scenarios ( or TOD's, Snaphots, CAP or KOTH's ) missing or lacking.
What can be done to better meet your expectations ?
Thanks,
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if you signed up as axis as a reserve you would have flown in BoB. We has 109 flights with just 3 guys. I disbanded 1 flight and assiugned then to fly with others.
The problem comes when folks register and then just dont show up. I have been in every scenario in ah (except Sicily and I could of flown if I wanted to) and in everyone the Axis has had open slots. Not just one or 2 but (in bob anyway) 1/3 of the axis slots were filled by reserves or walkons.
Hostile Shores we flew with 7 guys average over 4 frames, in Big week 8 out of 10. The registration aint the problem. I bet the axis in this next one will have lots of open slots and the allies will be 3-4 deep per flight.
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Would this fee allow non-subscription players into scenarios? Might be a good PR move if it did.
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That's good Wotan. I can only make two of the frames for Midway, so I'm not sure if I'm going to go for a full slot or just try to walkon as a Zeke or Val pilot. :)
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I wouldn't be willing to pay for a scenario, a deposit though seems like a good idea to me. Anyone not willing to fork it up, can be a walkon.
Better to have excess players than too few.
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I think part of the reason we see so many no-shows is because of the open registration.
For example...
Let's say a certain squad wants to fly together in an upcoming scenario. They plan for weeks before the sign up that they will all try to get in the same unit and fly together.
When the registration finally opens, only a couple of them are able to sign up right away, and the others can't make it until the next morning. During that time many other players have signed up, and the scenario squadron is now full, so the other guys (who wanted to sign up with the first two) now get stuck as reserve, or picked to fly in another unit, or even worse, assigned to the other country entirely. Maybe even a couple of them decide not to sign up at all, knowing they have virtually NO CHANCE of getting the assignment they wanted.
Furthermore, the other pilots who signed up did so just because they could, even though many of them only did it to reserve themselves so they could fly if they FELT LIKE IT that day. And let's not forget the 2-week wonders, who sign up for AH just so they can register for the scenario.
In the interum, the group of guys who originally wanted to fly together start having second thoughts. They ask the CMs for reassignment and are told no, sorry, you can't.
Finally, come game day, a couple of them just say screw it. Why fly in this scenario when I can't do what I wanted to do? I've wanted to fly this certain slot the whole time, and flying this other slot doesn't interest me.
Then you have the no-shows. The guys who don't care anyway. Even through repeated Email from their flight leader reminding them of the day and time and mission briefing. They only signed up because it was easy and they loose nothing for not showing up.
So now you have a flight leader that is HOPING his reserves show up and that they have been keeping up with the mission briefings and other pre-game Emails. What probably ends up happening is the flight leader has to spend time trying to recruit from the walk-on pool and then trying to breif his newbies. The whole mission becomes a big CF because you have a FL trying to organize a flight telling all his pilots what channels to tune, how to join up in the mission, how to get convergence set for the plane type, how to manage fuel in flight, follow the formation, etc.
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By making the first day or two of registration open to players who are willing to PAY MONEY for the privledge of choosing their country, squad, aircraft, etc. you are increasing the chances that the scenario will get a better turnout and run more smoothly. I believe this because the guys that signed up for money have invested something into it because they sincerely had an interest and wanted to participate.
Also, by giving the CMs credits on their AH accounts, it is like paying them for setting up the events and getting them running.
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HTC might not be able to accept any of the money, and certainly couldnt give a cent of it to the CM's. Once CM's start getting paid by HTC, it opens up a whole new can of worms.
You're right about the signups midnight, But I think that all charging for the scenarios would do is cause less people to show up. Deposits would be enough to get people to show up, without costing anything for the people who do show up. Plus then you can still leave the option for walkons, provided there is room.
If you charge $5 for the scenario, then walkons must either pay it also, or not allowed, otherwise the people who paid kinda get screwed. Deposits would avoid the problems.
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Pay for place on scenario? bulls****
Just chk who last time register and show up , this guys should be counted as first to serve. No mather he register first or secound day. During BoB LW have great problems with numbers, som RAF squads too.
Again lots of guys register and not show up like last 2 scenarios , Operation Huskey and BoB
Slots for guys who play last two scenarion should be sure, all the rest "First come first serve"
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For one thing, I think even a 5$ US fee would KILL canadian (and perhaps Oz/NZ) participation. That's a lot of money up here. Almost 10$ CDN, and that has the same purchasing power up here as 10$ US in the states!
A deposit I might go for, but only because I am a scenario nut. If I had a choice between paying 15$ US per month unlimited arena play OR 5$ per historical scenario, I would take the 5$ per historical scenario and would ditch arena play altogether. But I could not justify 15$/month for arena play + 5$ per scenario. Since I would then be unable to fly scenarios (the primary reason for an AH account), I would cancel.
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My view - from deep inside the registration process . . .
I have seen as many WALKONS show up for 4 frames in a row as much as I have seen people who got the ride they wanted not show up at all.
In BoB the RAF flew at 100% every frames with the use of few if any walkons. Why - because they had a LARGE reserve of pilots to use to fill the open spots.
Now WHY some one who signs up and then does not show is a different question.
Part of it is normal attrition - they register and 1 month later something comes up and they can not make it no matter how good thier intentions where the month before.
For Midway we will put ALL pilots into a spot on a squadron either as a Primary pilot or a Reserve pilot. At that point those that choose NOT to participate should step up to the plate and let thier FL's know so they can be dropped from the roster and thier spots filled.
The time between the End of registartion and the start of frame #1 those pilots who do not reply to the FL's as to thier status will be put on reserve and reserve pilots will fill thier spots.
But that will not insure 100% attendence. in my LW squad for BoB inwich 6 of the 8 pilots were from my OWN Squad I still had low attendence. Those that did not show either could not make it or FORGOT what time the frame started ( My bad I should have sent out 1 MORE reminder ! Friday night before Frame #1 ) or just never showed up. By the next weekend I had 100% show up.
Not sure there is a perfect solution.
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There is no 'perfect' solution, but I think something with a deposit of some sort should be utilized. If not a full fee of $5.00, then a security deposit of sorts.
And remember guys, I am not saying that ALL players would have to pay to sign up. It would be an OPTION for players who REALLY, REALLY wanted to have a certain assignment in the scenario. Then, after the pay-to-register time expired, registration would open to ALL players with the first come, first serve assignments.
So you wouldn't have to pay for EVERY scenario, you could fly in every one of them for FREE. It would be at your OPTION to sign up with a fee IF and only IF you wanted to so you could get the assignment you wanted.
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Jordi,
Im talking strictly for myself here. For me, re-enactments need to be very close, as close as possible to the actual happenings.
One example that comes immediately to mind: Being assigned to your flight weeks or months in advance with rank already determined and having scripted training missions on a regular basis with your flight alone and with the larger squadron and on up the chain in preparation for battle.
The sort of thing that would mimick actual life in combat. Impossible to recreate as far as I can tell. The contraints of games and real life are just two examples of what amounts to simply insurmountable hurdles. Thats what I meant by my own high expectations. Too high as I discovered years ago.
You guys are doing as great a job as anyone can expect (even myself with unrealistic realistic expectaions...whew). Im still considering whether I should attempt to make the commitment for the Midway scenario. Im certain it would be alot of fun regardless of my own expectations.
Anyhoo...thats all I meant :)
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Then, after the pay-to-register time expired, registration would open to ALL players with the first come, first serve assignments.
bad idea
if i buy slot and cant showup bicose my isp sux or connet inside US make game unplayeble should i loose my money?
If frame not start in announced time are u give my money back?:)
If htc server crash and frame delay should HTC give my money back?;)
If i got CTD 1 minute after field closed should HTC give me money back bicose i pay for slot and cant fly to not broke rules of scenario?
Why ? im pay for my slot on day XX hour XX
I start thinking then pre-pay slots can give more mess and misunderstundings then u think.
For pre-pay need another one agreement HTC-PLAYER
This money are not worth this mess
What HTC managment say for us?
ramzey
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That's good Wotan. I can only make two of the frames for Midway, so I'm not sure if I'm going to go for a full slot or just try to walkon as a Zeke or Val pilot.
I not talking about guys who sign up and let us know they can only make a frame or 2. I had a few guys like this in BoB and they can be accomodated. Go for a full slot.
But the problem comes when registration starts getting full and a guy who would be there feels he wont make it passes on registration because he thinks he wont make it. Then you have a few folks who registered and then just dont show on game day with no reason or contact.
I like that folks can register by Frame, and I understand that some times things come up at the last moment the prevent some from making it.
But in an event like Battle of Britain and we go to game day needing 109 pilots when they were full a few days after registration opened something aint right.
You just cant make any detailed plans then have 1/3 of your slots show up at the last minute with no idea of whats going on.
I dont know if a pay per event would change this or a refundable deposite would either. Most likely it will ensure lo numbers for events.
If any fee were to be changed for events then things like ctds, lag and other bugs would need to be addressed.
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Don`t agree with registration fee. I think everyone have to have the same chance as others right from the start of registration. Registration fee can split players between those who can afford it and grab the best slots first and those who cannot afford it ($ 5 is not so much money, but what if scenarios became more often? Will we have to pay for every registration? And what if I pay and then cannot make it because of some other sudden reasons?) and must take slots which left. That doesn`t seem fair as it depends on your financial situation which is not the same for everyone.
And I agree with what Ramzey has wrote.
Instead of paying fee, each FL or SL would ask pilots of his squadron for attendance confirmation a day or two before frame. If you don`t confirm - then you loose your slot and move to reserves.
I participated on similar big Midway scenario in Warbirds 1 1/2 year ago and I liked their registration process. On the registration screen you could reserve the particular slot in listed squadrons. And you saw immediately what squadrons has free slots and what pilots are registered in particulat squadrons. Don`t make the registration so vague as for BoB. This will end again with a lot of whining "why am I ordered to fly Dauntless when I registered for Wildcat!"
Make the registration clear from beginning and let as choose particular slot immediately.
czpetr
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Just my two cents on this matter... not really positive...
for one, CMs should not be paid because this is what is saving them from all complaints possible. Once they get paid in any form, it opens the door to responsibility and gives whiners more edge. What is good about the scenarios and events are that it is volunteer work. This raises the level of appreciation, at least from myself to the CMs.
secondly, administration work will be tough. If CMs get paid, someone will have to deal with income tax, etc. from each country the CM is at. We would also need a validated system to handle the transaction because it involves cash, from the time when a player signs up, take attendance during the scenario, re-imburse the player, etc.
As Innominate put it, we are opening a can of worms. I would not even feel comfortable with the idea of a deposit as we would start dealing with emails upon emails saying excuses and excuses why they did not make it to the scenario and wanting their money back.
sorry, just my thoughts...
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The deposit idea sounds great. Perhaps all lost deposits should go to a charity of HTC's choice (an organisation not neccessarily conflict related).
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Unexpected no shows are a problem in scenarios........ they muck up a lot of planning...............
In the past they have also allowed walkons to participate and reserves to get bumped up...........
As Wotan said in BoB the axis were never over subscribed when it came to a frame start.
I am not in favour of a registration charge........it may even force a scenario into a massive walkon environ ment where by (a greater number) those uncertain at the time of registration decide to chance a walkon role.
CM's do not need (or to my knowledge) want paying.
I would venture to suggest that the admin attached to a deposit system would not make it worth while.
The only incentive (I have thought of) to discourage no shows is the threat of eviction from subsequent frames or at least the swopping of a registered slot with a reserve (in subsequent frames).
The real crime committed by a "no shower" is that if registered with a secure slot he/she has denied some one else (placed in reserve) the fullest participation in a scenario.
This is presently a function of scenario registrants exceeding arena capacities.
IMO Squad leaders / flight leader in scenarios have a duty to chase their squad members to ensure that they know, before the frame, who is and who is not going to show and make what ever adjustments possible from the reserve.
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Think about it, it would be very time consuming just to manage the deposit/fee system, let alone co-ordinate it with the rest of the scenario. It's not reasonable to expect HTC to implement something like that IMO.
What can be done is for players to be made responsible for their actions. Simply put, keep a black-list. Have a regular system of primary and reserve pilots, and work out a system whereby the FL's remind folks and ask for updates a couple of times before the frame, dropping anybody for reserve that doesn't respond in the affirmative. Then the FL's keep track of who doesn't show despite confirming. If you no-show after confirming say 3 times, you go on the black-list for the next event and can't be a primary. If the FL's are pro-active, and people know there will be consequenses of not showing up without notice, it should curb this behaviour. Yep, it could be network issues that get you black-listed... but then if your connection isn't solid, you should discover this in practices and such before the event, and not confirm. If there is mass network problems or a server dump, then of course you don't black-list everybody. Each event will also only black-list you for the next scenario, so it wouldn't be a permanent thing. Even if you got black-listed, you could still be a reserve pilot or a walk-on and fly, it just keeps you from registering as a primary.
That's my suggestion. Honestly I think pro-active and organized flight leaders would help more than the threat of black-listing.
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Lephturn,
What you are suggesting is even more 'administrative' than the system I suggest. With that, you would have to rely on the FLs to keep track and then report to the central 'black-list' administrator on who needs to go on the list. Then the administrator would have to keep a record of that and compare it against people who sign up for the next scenario. Many of those people may have switched userID in the mean time, so they get in anyway. Then you have the guys who would be whining that they got black listed for no reason, that they tried to show up, but the FL didn't like them and never sent them any Emails or gave them a chance. Then there would have to be arbitration hearings so everyone could state their case.
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I'm not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers here, just making a suggestion that could help. No one says that it would have to be $5.00 either. Make it $2.00, maybe even $1.00. The whole point I am trying to make is that there should be some way for the hard-core scenario pilots to be able to sign up first and get in to a slot they really want to have, then let everyone else (the more casual players) sign up and take the rest of the open spots.
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Personally, I don't see why the whole thing isn't a little more like organized sports leagues. Prior to registration, you get your team together. When registration opens, you go down and sign up your whole team (and pay registration fees). Players that do not have a team can be put on an 'available' list and then chosen by teams looking for additional players. If enough guys are on the 'available' list, they can all get together and make their own team to register.
Just because this is an on-line game, people have this thing about it's not fair and should all be open. When it comes right down to it, your scenario 'squadron' is your team, and your FL is your team captain. Other players should be able to depend on you to show up for practice and make in time for game day. If they can't, you shouldn't even ask to join the team.
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Charge for registration? I don't think so. :mad:
In WW2, pilots flew the planes that were assigned to them. The only choice they had was single engine or multi-engine. Maybe they got a P-40, maybe they got a P-51. Think of aircraft assignments as being another realism feature of a scenario.
Register for the scenario and accept what's assigned to you... and you'll like it, mister!
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Originally posted by Midnight
When it comes right down to it, your scenario 'squadron' is your team, and your FL is your team captain. Other players should be able to depend on you to show up for practice and make in time for game day. If they can't, you shouldn't even ask to join the team.
Yeah! What he said!
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Personally, I don't see why the whole thing isn't a little more like organized sports leagues. Prior to registration, you get your team together. When registration opens, you go down and sign up your whole team (and pay registration fees). Players that do not have a team can be put on an 'available' list and then chosen by teams looking for additional players. If enough guys are on the 'available' list, they can all get together and make their own team to register.
Just because this is an on-line game, people have this thing about it's not fair and should all be open. When it comes right down to it, your scenario 'squadron' is your team, and your FL is your team captain. Other players should be able to depend on you to show up for practice and make in time for game day. If they can't, you shouldn't even ask to join the team.
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This is the DIFFERENCE between TOD's and Scenarios.
TOD's are designed around COMMITED Squads who plan to show up with SET amount of Players. These squads CAN have Guest pilots tag along if they so choose to fly. A group of pilots who are not in squads could form a TOD Only squad and fly together.
Scenarios are geared more toward the General masses. Those that wish to participate in a Large event but not be tied down to belonging to a set TOD or MA squad to be able to fly in it.
I think we ALL AGREE with your last statement. If you sign up to participate you should stand behind your commitment and show up. Even if that means you did not get the ride you wanted.
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Not only no but HELL NO.
Opening a can of worms like this would make the opening of Pandoras box pale in comparison.
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Before I put my foot into my mouth, I'll back away from this debate.
I can see there are clearly holes in my theory, but it doesn't seem like they are going to get patched up in this forum :)
However, I will say that, at least in my opinion, the Scenarios are the bigger, better events when compared to TODs, especially when the scenarios have limited A/C that get depleted, or the availability of newer A/C is dependant on the outcome of previous frames. We don't get that kind of thing in TOD.
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I'm prolly gonna get in so much toejam for this but.... :D
Here's what the Scenario team was attempting to develop before we had to put it on hold due to... uh... developments.
Just so it's clear - this is *not* something that's going into effect. Only if I had my way would it be...
But I'd like to get your input before I annoy our new HTC liason Skuzzy to death with it.
Have a look... I'd love to hear your comments/suggestions etc.
http://modena.intergate.ca/personal/cwharton/sbm/squad/reg1.html
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hehe ... damn Nash, you just can't let this go can ya?
I wish you had been at the CON and seen how fast Hitech said "no" when this was brought up.
Have a little faith man. :p
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One option that would be nice on the signup page for scenarios is the option to opt-out of being a reserve pilot (ie: all or nothing). The amount of free time that I have in my life has diminished considerably in the last several months, and will get even smaller starting next week. If I'm going to dedicate my time to a scenario I want a guaranteed spot...if I can't get one, I'd rather use my free time for other important things in my life.
SOB
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I know what you want Midnight, and unfortunately it aint gonna happen. We had this discussion at the con when the CMs and the HTC crew sat down for a little pow-wow. By HTC's decision, scenarios are for the masses and will be first come first serve...especially once the new registration system is finished and put into place.
The squad events, like the TOD are catered to squads and HTC sees no reason to cater to squads in large scenario events. When we start doing that, we basically are running the same event. The scenarios become huge TODs at that point, and that is not what HTC wants to happen.
As for your point SOB, you should know judging from past events that if you want to fly, you are going to fly. In my over 2 years here, I have never seen a scenario that is 100% on the attendance figures. We seem to always be looking for guys for one side or the other every frame.
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Actually, it's been so long since I've flown in a scenario, I don't know that. Also, with the large subscription base HTC has now, I figured that open spots would be harder to come by. If I'm wrong well then, eh, nevermind! :p
SOB
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I posted this in the Special Events forum (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64610) and Jordi replied quickly and with a great suggestion. THANKS for the reply Jordi and I will be trying the CAP event setup soon.
However I think that the overall length of the scenario is what deters many from making it after they register. I have flown in almost every AH Event that I have registered for. There have been some exceptions but they are due to family/work conflicts that come up. With the last big one I was all set to take part as a Flight Leader after Wotan asked me but I had to withdraw because of work conflicts. So I withdrew from the whole scenario and hopefully opened up a slot that someone else could/did use for all the frames.
I think the scenarios are great but for me and many others I am sure it is tough to make 4 Saturdays in a row for 2-4 hours. I would like to see a Special Event (not CAP series) put together and flown and ended in one frame. Not 2 or more frames in a single day. I can understand scenarios like the planned Midway scenario lasting more than one frame but in order to keep people interested and in there (aside from the normal compliment of scenario flyers) some serious thought needs to be given to shortening the length of them.
Thanks for listening.
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Originally posted by Midnight
Lephturn,
What you are suggesting is even more 'administrative' than the system I suggest. With that, you would have to rely on the FLs to keep track and then report to the central 'black-list' administrator on who needs to go on the list. Then the administrator would have to keep a record of that and compare it against people who sign up for the next scenario. Many of those people may have switched userID in the mean time, so they get in anyway. Then you have the guys who would be whining that they got black listed for no reason, that they tried to show up, but the FL didn't like them and never sent them any Emails or gave them a chance. Then there would have to be arbitration hearings so everyone could state their case.
Yeah, but it's down to WHO does the administration. If it's collecting/refunding money, HTC has to do it. They clearly don't have the resources. If it's as simple as managing a "black list", the scenario folks (volunteers) can do it. I do take your point about whining/arbitration and such though. Hmmm.
Feh.
BTW, very interesting registration thingy Nash. I like it. I understand that it doesn't match HTC's goals for major scenarios, but it is very cool and could solve a lot of problems. Little things like automating email reminders and confirmations could go a long way to making this work, even within a first-come first-served registration scheme. I think if you modified your ideas to work with what HTC needs to do, it would be very helpfull.