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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: bounder on September 18, 2002, 03:31:43 AM
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Well?
It's just a theory.
I dunno, its just the way you seem to keep challenging people who think of themselves as Liberals (whoever they are, you've never made it clear in the posts I have read). It's almost like you didn't like them personally, rather than simply disagreeing with their (as yet unrevealed) tenets and policies.
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Hi. :D
First off all most of my posts are very sarcastic and all the hyperbole is basically meant as a joke. I think raving lunatics going off in wild tirades full of hatred, agression and exxageration are very funny and I get a chuckle from writing such posts here. I hope nobody takes my BBS extremism too seriously - I sure don't.
Second, I did come from a communist country and having witnessed the wonders of socialism first hand I am naturally put off by left wing policies in the USA which are clearly in line with communist thought, whether you liberals see this or not isn't my concern. For example all the incessant race whining and PC crap, as opposed to serious civil rights campaigns both current and past, is simply the old time Marxist class struggle propaganda reborn. Replace white people with the "bourgeois" and you will see my point. Plus my country destroyed itself due that type of race whining - so again I'm inclined to dislike it and argue against it.
Third, sometimes I come to the BBS energized by current events and want to have a debate about them. I know the folks here are intelligent and pretty well informed so it's best to bring that here as opposed to other forums. The annonimity of the internet comes in handy as people feel open to speak both more honestly and with greater creativity.
As to my real politics. Here are a few things I belive in so decide for yourself.
I love America. There are things I dislike but it's the best place on earth in an overall sense.
I am angry at the blame USA first, USA jelous/hating crowd.
I support the death penalty.
I am for gun ownership - but see no trouble with mandatory registration, detailed background checks, and training for purchases. I also feel that ordinary citizens should be able to fire full auto weapons in a controlled safe environment because it a lot of fun. :D
I support abbortion rights and birth control/sex education. But I would like to see a limit on abortions past a certain time of pregnancy barring mother's health of course.
I support gay/lesbian rights including legal/financial status and privelages of marriage and adoption. I dont agree to it being called marriage - because that to me culturally means a man and woman. Dont ask dont tell in the military. I'm personally don't thing gay people are at all delightful but it's really none of my business. I do hate their arrogant parades and wish they stop.
Women are OK in military except for front line ground troops and subs.
I dont think the Christian story of creation should be taught in a science class. Christianity is just a religion just like any other. It makes no more sense than one Austrialian aboriginal belief that humans were born of crocodiles. Science is science and evolution is a scientific concept supported by scientific evidence. Otherwise teach the creation story for every religion. No way.
I believe that English education should be mandatory for everyone. I learned good usable English in ESL within 6 months. I was a bad student and Croatian is no closer to English than is Spanish. Bilingual education is a crock and it sets people back needlessly. If parents want to teach their kids the old language and culture that is their responsibilty not the US govenrments.
I am an immigrant to this country and belive its one of our strongest points. However my father spent years trying to get a US Visa and did everything legaly - so I dislike illegal immigration very much.
I hate political correctness and race whining. Its basically communism.
I hate it when people deny other people things simply because of race or other single personal feature. ( I will not use "racism" or "discrimination" because I hate those words - they have become overused and meaningless)
Whacko environmentalists are idiots and also wannabee communists - which is ironic since communism had a terrible record on this.
I support protecting the environment including strict government regulations that force industry to improve technology and practice. I have heard too many whines of "Its too expensive and impossible" from business leaders when it comes to environmental issues only to see them miraculusly come up with a solution after govt pressure. Like fuel economy and emmisions.
I never vote, dont want to dirty and delude myself with this meaningless excercise.
I dont think all muslims are terrorists. Anyone who actually thinks this is an idiot. I do however think we must pay close scrutiny to muslims and muslim communities when we are fighting an irregular war against, you guessed it muslim terrorists.
I believe the palestenians should have their own state.
I was born a Catholic and christened but I dont go to chuch, I suppose there might be a god and respect religious people beacuse of their devotion and faith.
I am troubled that US popular culture, especially TV, finds the display of viscious gory murders more appropriate than nudity or sexual intimacy.
I find it akward how bloodthirsty the supposedly kind, caring, and human rights oriented liberals are with regards to abortion - also how intrusive the supposedly individualistic conservatives are on the same issue.
I want lower taxes and less government intrusion into my daily life but I do beileve that Government has a serious big scale long term regulatory function.
I like all kinds of music from rap to claasical. I have a Beethoven CD alongside an Eminem CD in my car among others. Have classical, rock and rap on my radio presets.
I like all sorts of food. Big burritos are probably my favorite food.
I have an interest in WW2 and other military history. Biggest interest is the German side of course but I like it all. My first favorite fighter was the F4U Corsair and I was mildly devested when I found it wasnt made by Grumman who did my other big favorite at the time the F8F Bearcat. :D Then I got into Bf109s.
There is a bunch more but I don't want to write any longer.
There thats the real me. Read it if you care, make fun of me if you must.....
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nice tirade GRUN !
but I still hate you :D ;)
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:)
Hi straffo!
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mmmm. cool
point taken, it's humour. Tone can be difficult to detect.
there's a whole bunch of things in there that I both agree heartily with and disagree with, probably like everyone else in the world. I too am an immigrant from a socialist kingdom, and I see much to commend it (and much to condemn it too).
I don't really believe your evil stepmom was a liberal so much as I wonder whether I should rise to your posts that begin with a challenge to liberals. Am I a Liberal? Is there a difference between liberal and Liberal?
In short who are these Liberals and am I one of them?
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I donno bounder. It doesnt really matter because its what you know you are.
Ive been baited as a "Nazi" but Im obviously not so it don't matter to me except that it gives me an opening to respond in kind. :D
As for Liberal vs liberal there is no diference to me which way you say it.
Ceratinly many of my opinions as stated above are very liberal - so in that context I am a liberal at times.
Generally the vocal "liberals" on this board are:
Midnight Tahgut
Sandman
weazel
montezuma
Karnak
Oedipus
trotski
Thrawn
Dowding
10Bears
Elfenwolf? - a troll par excellance so I just go laugh along with his posts
As for rising to challenge my "liberal" posts, please do thats the point, otherwise it would all be very boring around here.
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GRUNHERZ,
What country are you from originally? Just curious.
I used to share your views on "Don't ask dont tell in the military" until I read Fred Reed's very logical explanation why it's not OK - same as gay scoutmasters.
Basically, it is about sexual privacy. Genders are separated so that you do not have to live in the same room with a person who finds you sexually attractive. Or that your children do not have to sleep with a young adult of whichever gender who finds them sexually attractive.
As for women in the military - anything that is physically demanding is beyong the capabilities of most women. There are good stats on that. That does not just include ability to lift weight but physical endurance, emotional stability as in being able to operate after prolonged sleep deprivation in high-stress conditions. There obvioulsy are women who can do that - and should once they pass the same tests as males do.
miko
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Yugoslavia, home the the most excellent european civil war since Spain. :rolleyes: Also the best european genocide effort in half a century... :(
Specifically I'm Croatian.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Generally the vocal "liberals" on this board are:
Midnight Tahgut
Sandman
weazel
montezuma
Karnak
Oedipus
trotski
Thrawn
Dowding
10Bears
does it mean I'm not a liberal :confused: ?
Ok .... I get it .... I'm worse than a Lib : I'm FRENCH :p
yada yada yada :D
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lol
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Ive been baited as a "Nazi"
Specifically I'm Croatian.
I guess to maintain pc they should bait you as "Utashi"
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I don't believe that someone should be placed in a job other than because they are best qualified for it. And I don't believe that the qualifications required should be dumbed down so that certain groups can get into it. (physical or academic)
I do believe that those who are qualified to do the job shouldn't be held back because of race, gender, religion etc...
nor should someone be hired because of those criteria..
Originally posted by miko2d
As for women in the military - anything that is physically demanding is beyong the capabilities of most women. There are good stats on that. That does not just include ability to lift weight but physical endurance, emotional stability as in being able to operate after prolonged sleep deprivation in high-stress conditions. There obvioulsy are women who can do that - and should once they pass the same tests as males do.
miko
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I read that whole thing...
Naw, thats not our Grunherz!!
G, and thanks for putting me at the top of your lefty lib list.
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And he puts me on the bottom... I believe in gun control... Anybody that does NOT own a weapon should be arrested. Any woman who gets an abortion should be exiled. Women in the military should NOT be in combat units. ALL 18 yr olds should complete 2 years of military service period no exceptions.
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GRUNHERZ: Specifically I'm Croatian.
That was my guess - pretty easy actually since there are no other catholics involved in post-communism ethnic violence that I can think of.
10Bears: Women in the military should NOT be in combat units.
What units are not combat units? To work as a secretary or even an analyst in a Pentagon you do not have to be in the military - a civilian with the proper clearance is just fine.
Rear-echelon command post? Battleship? Aircraft maintenance crew? Have you seen a woman operating in a high-stress situation after 3 days without sleep? Have you seen a woman trying to carry a wounded? Down a flight of broken stairs? Two of them with a stretcher up the steep narrow stairs? Operating an emergency pump? Carrying a toolbox? A tank of nitrogen? A box of whatever? A what's-its-name-metal-thingy?
They have to be able to lift 50 pounds - if only barely - to enroll . How many things you know in the military that have to be lifted that weight less than 50 pounds? Less than 100?
How many serving men would drastically compromise their health/performance by limiting their liquid intake during strenuous field exercise to avoid peeing in the outdoors? Among women it would be 13%.
Here are some numbers quoted from "Women in the Military: Flirting With Disaster" by Brian Mitchell, 1998:
The columns are test, percent of woman failing before and after training and percent of men failing before and after training:
Stretcher carry, level 63 38 0 0
Stretcher carry/up, down ladder 94 88 0 0
Fire hose 19 6 0 0
P250 pump, carry down 99 99 9 4
P250 pump, carry up 73 52 0 0
P250, start pump 90 75 0 0
Remove SSTO pump 99 99 0 0
Torque engine bolt 78 47 0 0
From the report of the Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces (report date November 15, 1992, published in book form by Brassey's in 1993):
"The average female Army recruit is 4.8 inches shorter, 31.7 pounds lighter, has 37.4 fewer pounds of muscle, and 5.7 more pounds of fat than the average male recruit. She has only 55 percent of the upper-body strength and 72 percent of the lower-body strength… An Army study of 124 men and 186 women done in 1988 found that women are more than twice as likely to suffer leg injuries and nearly five times as likely to suffer [stress] fractures as men."
"Women's aerobic capacity is significantly lower, meaning they cannot carry as much as far as fast as men, and they are more susceptible to fatigue."
"In terms of physical capability, the upper five percent of women are at the level of the male median. The average 20-to-30 year-old woman has the same aerobic capacity as a 50 year-old man."
"(a) Using the standard Army Physical Fitness Test, he found that the upper quintile of women at West point achieved scores on the test equivalent to the bottom quintile of men.
"(c) Only 21 women out of the initial 623 (3.4%) achieved a score equal to the male mean score of 260.
"(d) On the push-up test, only seven percent of women can meet a score of 60, while 78 percent of men exceed it.
"(e) Adopting a male standard of fitness at West Point would mean 70 percent of the women he studied would be separated as failures at the end of their junior year, only three percent would be eligible for the Recondo badge, and not one would receive the Army Physical Fitness badge…."
From Military Medicine, October 1997, which I got from the Pentagon's library:
(p. 690): "One-third of 450 female soldiers surveyed indicated that they experienced problematic urinary incontinence during exercise and field training activities. The other crucial finding of the survey was probably that 13.3% of the respondents restricted fluids significantly while participating in field exercises." Because peeing was embarrassing.
Or, (p. 661): " Kessler et al found that the lifetime prevalence of PTSD (Post-traumtic stress disorder - miko) in the United States was twice as high among women…"
Women can do wonderfull things that men cannot. They are just not good at some of the things that men can do.
miko
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1990s Deployments
In the largest single deployment of women in U.S. military history, with widespread public support, 41,000 military women made up 7 percent of the U.S. Armed Forces in the Persian Gulf. Women served as aircraft pilots carrying troops and supplies; deployed on reconnaissance missions; served aboard hospital ships, in mobile medical units and in field hospitals; crewed planes and helicopters; directed artillery, drove trucks, ran prisoner-of-war facilities; served in port security units, in military police units, and as perimeter guards; and performed a myriad of communications, intelligence, supply and administrative jobs necessary for military success in the Persian Gulf. Major General Jeanne M. Holm, USAF (Ret.) wrote, "During the operation, American military women did just about everything on land, at sea, and in the air except engage in the actual fighting, and even there the line was often blurred--it was obvious from the beginning that the front lines were not what they used to be and noncombat units regularly took casualties. In the Gulf War there were no fixed positions or clear lines in the sand--Iraqi long-range artillery and especially the surface-to-surface missiles were unisex weapons that did not distinguish between combat and support troops." Five women were killed in action and two were prisoners of war.
The park next to my home is named after Adrian Mitchell who gave her life in the Gulf War.
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Yeah, and you expect "brass" to admit failure, huh?
Remember Kara Hultgren? Watched the movie? Know the story?
It was burried (an engine failure).
Are the still any female Navy pilots?
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Originally posted by mietla
Yeah, and you expect "brass" to admit failure, huh?
Remember Kara Hultgren? Watched the movie? Know the story?
It was burried (an engine failure).
Are the still any female Navy pilots?
Wasn't she the F14 pilot who crashed when landing? I saw the video of her crash. She had an engine flame out like 100ft from the deck of the carrier. Her seat ejected like 1 second or less after her back seater and she's dead and the back seater survived, if I remember correctly.
I don't see why we can't have women pilots. I've met plenty of girls that could kick my arse in a fair fight. I've met plenty of girls who I'm sure would be great pilots.
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Served in a combat unit in the Army without women.
Served in a unit designated combat heavy with women.
Generally, I do not want women next to me when the firing starts and 3-6 days later you might get some rest. But I have seen women pull their weight (and sometimes the men's too). And yes, if I gotta pee in the field, they're gonna see it.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I donno bounder. It doesnt really matter because its what you know you are.
Ive been baited as a "Nazi" but Im obviously not so it don't matter to me except that it gives me an opening to respond in kind. :D
As for Liberal vs liberal there is no diference to me which way you say it.
Ceratinly many of my opinions as stated above are very liberal - so in that context I am a liberal at times.
Generally the vocal "liberals" on this board are:
Midnight Tahgut
Sandman
weazel
montezuma
Karnak
Oedipus
trotski
Thrawn
Dowding
10Bears
Elfenwolf? - a troll par excellance so I just go laugh along with his posts
As for rising to challenge my "liberal" posts, please do thats the point, otherwise it would all be very boring around here.
1. Actually I vote Labour, because a "liberal" in this country is a tory (the brits can sympathise I'm sure)
2. it's Tronsky you dope groinhurze...to cut a long story short...tronsky is a nick that stuck after flying a russian themed sqd night in WB a few years ago, -tron- being my nick...we all added ski after our nicks for a laugh....nothing at all to do with communists, but don't let that stop you
Tronsky
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Skyrats/files/Tron.jpg)
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LOL :D Sorry tronski!
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Originally posted by mietla
Yeah, and you expect "brass" to admit failure, huh?
Remember Kara Hultgren? Watched the movie? Know the story?
It was burried (an engine failure).
Are the still any female Navy pilots?
Yes there are. I believe the current ops officer at the Weapons Test Squadron at China Lake is a woman.
The women test pilots that I've worked with have been awesome... Methodical, professional and efficient.
Oh... they were flying F/A-18.
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Originally posted by 10Bears
And he puts me on the bottom... .
Actually he put ME at the bottom. Well, he spaced me three lines BELOW the bottom, then put an asterick by my name designating me a troll. WTF is up with that???
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You are a troll Elfenwolf. :D
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And you are a Nazi. :D
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I thought that $500 bucks I sent you would shut ya up with that Nazi business. :D
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Grunhurtz, add me to that list....right below thrawn...but barely
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Why are all you liberals so concerned about placement on the official GRUNHERZ lefty list? :) Is this a class struggle type of thing? :D It was written randomly as your names came to mind.
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I was rather flattered to be placed at #2. :D
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I bet it made your day. :D
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Why are all you liberals so concerned about placement on the official GRUNHERZ lefty list? :) Is this a class struggle type of thing? :D It was written randomly as your names came to mind.
It's all about the privilege of being placed on such an illustrious list.
I was quite chuffed that I was placed above the likes of Thrawn, Dowding, and 10Bears
It's like having our very own blacklist :D
ahem, have you ever been a member of the communist part......
Tronsky
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"ahem, have you ever been a member of the communist part...... "
Almost. I was a little communist pioneer- sung the political songs, wore a red bandana and a blue hat with the cutest little red enameled star. :D
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
"ahem, have you ever been a member of the communist part...... "
Almost. I was a little communist pioneer- sung the political songs, wore a red bandana and a blue hat with the cutest little red enameled star. :D
Ahhhh.. the good old days :)
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LOL Birddog, you know it. :D
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GRUNHERZ: Almost. I was a little communist pioneer- sung the political songs, wore a red bandana and a blue hat with the cutest little red enameled star. :D
Oh... I am overcome with nostalgia...
Did you have as a role model your own croatian or serbian little boy who ratted out his parents to the authorities for the "counter-revolutionary activity" and got killed by grandparents, or did you use our Pavlik Morosov?
miko
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Yea... I always wanted some hot blond chickie beside me after 2weeks of field time. I was a grunt... you carry ALOT of wieght and if your light infantry you carry more. If someone falls out...you carry thier crap too...
Look at the BEST female athletes in the world..how do they compare to men? They come up at about average or above average at best. Sure there are women who can do this..but should the miltary put so many through training to find those few?
Hell...I've been working out for years and..well I aint seen to many women who can hold a torch to men on average in str/endur.
Combat arms is a male occupation until techo makes it different. Someday perhaps we'll see powered up armor suits and such to even the playing field...but not now.
I had to do a public speech on this once in school. We had several ladies saying women could and should do this... that any woman could. I brought in a large ruck w/about 60pds of crap in it. I also brough in LBE with water and some tire wieghts to simulate ammo wieght. Most of them couldnt even pick the GD ruck up and put it on thier back. I then showed them a forced march pace.... then I explained it wasnt over after the GD march. You still go dig your shallow graves...recon..patrol at night... etc...
I proved my point... and they stfu about women in combat arms.
xBAT
P.S. hell i carried a M60... i can see a chick carrying my hog,
tripod, nightvision equip, ammo. etc. LOL
P.S.S what the hell am i writing all this for w/in this subject/post of Grunz's? DOh