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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Apache on September 18, 2002, 01:51:06 PM
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This thing is killing me! I haven't had a CTD since the last patch, but I'm making up for it in lockups due to...whatever.
All I know is, I get that horrid orange switch message then pow!...locked up.
I'm on cable, average in the mid 50's ping time and minimal, if any, packet loss.
Note: I never had a connection issue with AH beginning with beta until the route was changed a few months ago, then the protocol was tweaked.
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Yep I'm unable to participate in the game due to this. I'll keep paying my subscription in hopes of a fix, but how much longer?
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I was under the impression that the switch to TCP happens whenever UDP is lost, in an attempt to stay connected.
If this is true, then it implies that losing the UDP/TCP switch will result in an instant disco whenever UDP is lost, rather than an attempt to stay connected with TCP ... i.e. MORE discos, not less.
Can anyone confirm/deny?
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We've already been through all this once... :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Puck
We've already been through all this once... :rolleyes:
Yeah...and?
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Nothing has changed since then.
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Yep AH is still porked.
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Whats UDP and TCP?
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Originally posted by Puck
Nothing has changed since then.
So ones gets things changed by remaining silent? I think not.
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Apache, there are two possibilities I can see.:
One is your network card, the UDP lost session to TCP followed by a hard lockup indicates there may be a hardware failure, driver failure, or some sort of software failure on the windows network layers. Do you run any personal firewall software?
Second is your cable hookup itself. The best way to describe cable is to compare it with a network hub vs a network switch. A cable segment is like a neighbourhood LAN. Other users on the segment can have a massive effect on your connectivity. If possible run a tracert with a package like visualroute or pingplotter. However, don't use the standard settings, change the packet size to 1024 bytes, and set it to 1000 iterations and see if over a long period of time (30 mins) there are any unusual network hits.
One last possibility, is if your aren't running a firewall of any type is some cretin on your segment running DoS attacks.]
In HTCs defense, I run AH from NZ, without any problems. I used to have a Celeron 1Ghz GF2 system, I recently upgraded to board and CPU to go to Athlon 2100XP GF3 system, neither had any major problems with recent iterations of AH (apart from the Ki67 CTDs).
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Originally posted by Apache
So ones gets things changed by remaining silent? I think not.
No, but the UDP/TCP switch is _still_ not the problem, nor will it become the problem. It's a symptom.
We've been through that before :D
(I always do this to people with a dead straight face; I occasioannly forget that doesn't work as well on the boards. Sorry if I sounded more annoying than I intended :) )
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what Vulvcan said : check all your hardware
I'm currently playing from a 3rd world country (... France) with a 56modem which cannot connect over 33K because of the lousy phone line quality and except that I suck I've no problem...
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Straffo, your problem is deeper, much deeper... :D
That TCP switch seems a bit too sensitive to me too, because If I log back in, I'm good for another 30 minutes or so again.
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Golly-geemit theres a freaking flea on my arm! Oh well, lol Im going out for an icecream bar.
:D
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Originally posted by straffo
Vulvcan
I know I'm a bad typist but here it's a gem !
at least when translated back in french :D
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Originally posted by Puck
No, but the UDP/TCP switch is _still_ not the problem, nor will it become the problem. It's a symptom.
We've been through that before :D
(I always do this to people with a dead straight face; I occasioannly forget that doesn't work as well on the boards. Sorry if I sounded more annoying than I intended :) )
First, my apologies. I'm frustrated. I've been here since beta, yet AH is becoming a waste of time and money for me.
Here is the background of my problem. Remember when the server was moved from Skuzzy's place to the new ISP and it porked alot of folks connections? Didn't mine. Smooth as it always was. Then there was an announced route change. It fixed those that were screaming, but mine? Major porkage from that point on. I've been locking before 1.10. It just got worse after it. You're right, the switch isn't the problem, but it's the one I'm blaming cause thats the last thing I see when I'm flushed down the crapper. :D
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Fix for a bad isp:
Step 1. Find ISP's phone number.
Step 2. Call said ISP.
Step 3. squeak.
If step3 fails, move onto step 4.
Step 4. Get a decent ISP.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Whats UDP and TCP?
in short : UDP is faster but unreliable
TCP is slower but reliable
But I bet AH got an internal handshake so even using UDP it's reliable ;)
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Straffo, (from the planet Vulv...??? :D)
Maybe there's a handshake... but you can't deny that there are mini-warps when you try to fly ising TCP protocol.
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Originally posted by straffo
in short : UDP is faster but unreliable
TCP is slower but reliable
But I bet AH got an internal handshake so even using UDP it's reliable ;)
and here's one that's not so short:
http://www.networkmagazine.com/article/NMG20010126S0005
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Whats UDP and TCP?
TCP and UDP are higher level protocols built upon IP. UDP is a connectionless datagram based protocol where the transmission of data is *not* guaranteed.
TCP on the other hand is a connected stream based protocol, and transmission is guaranteed. Each segment is acknowledged, and ordering is ensured. If ya want more details, you should check out W. Richard Stevens: TCP/IP Illistrated or Unix Network Programming Vol I.
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I get the tcp switch allmost every time I launch from a mission alltho I must add I allmost never get booted or locked up from it.
A lot of my squaddies get it allso when launching from a mission but they get booted most of the time. Go figure :rolleyes:
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Running on a 56K at the mo and only have at least 1 UDP a week, doesnt bother me tho i just land and re log
Theres nothing worse than a disco in a bomber after it takes u 1 hour to get to alt and target.:mad:
Switching is better because it helps prevent my rage, i used to go through monitors on a daily basis. I understand your pain though. Sounds like hardware to me if it has been going on for this long.
Laterz all
----swoopy----:)
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If the switching to TCP Happens EVERYTIME, U must be running some sort of internet connection sharing device. Check your Lan IP against your WAN IP if they dont match that is U prob. Or if the LAN ip begins with 192.... or 169.... or 10... that can also cause this to happen. Also Some cable ISP's run through A proxy server this will also cause the issue.