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Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: kanttori on September 19, 2002, 12:11:25 PM
Hello!

Here is link to my Leijonat Squad netsites. There you can see screenshots and information from my new Finland-Russia map:

http://www.savanne.org/ah/finrusmap.html

I hope it is coming to Combat Theater soon. Actually I wait the new Terrain Editor version. After that our skin-team can make original skins to all Finnish, Russian and German planes!

If you want check the FinRusxx.res file, please contact me! :cool:

Kanttori
Warrant Officer
Leijonat Squad
Suomi - Finland
ismo@kesalesket.net
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: Sabre on September 19, 2002, 12:30:30 PM
Looking very nice!  Can't wait to use it in the CT.  Besides the Bf109, what other aircraft that we have available in the AH did Finnland use, and what info do you have on service dates with Finnish forces?  I know they used the Baffalo, and the Hurricane also if I recall correctly.  What else?  I'm sure Brady's already got a set up in mind, of course.

Sabre
CT Staff
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: kanttori on September 19, 2002, 12:56:36 PM
Hello Sabre!

Here is M.O.T.D. from my Finnish-Russia map. From it you can find all the information you need (I'm sorry because of my English... :rolleyes: ):

FINLAND - RUSSIA CONTINUATION WAR

Welcome to a historical Eastern Front map of the Continuation War (1941-44) between Finland and Russia. The current year is 1944. Map scale is 1:4.

In this map Rooks are Finns, Bishops are Russians and Knights are Germans. They can use following historical airplanes:

ROOKS/FINLAND AIRPLANES:
* Messerschmitt Bf 109 G-2 and G-6 ("Mersu")
* Hurricane Mk I
* Curtiss P-40B (actually Curtiss H 75A Hawk "Sussu")
* FM2 Wildcat (actually Brewster Model 239 "Bylly Waltteri")
* Junkers Ju88A-4 ("Junnu")
* Douglas C-47A (actually Douglas DC-2 "Hanssin Jukka")

BISHOPS/RUSSIA AIRPLANES:
* Lavochin La-5FN ("Lavochka")
* Yak-9T ("Tankoviy") and 9U ("Uluchshenny")
* Hurricane Mk I and Mk II
* Curtiss P-40B and 40E
* P-51B Mustang
* Ilyushin Il-2 Type 3
* A-20G Havoc and Boston III
* Douglas C-47A (actually Li-2 under licence)

KNIGHTS/GERMANY AIRPLANES:
* Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-4 ("Emil") and F-4 ("Friedrich")
* Messerschmitt Bf 109 G-2 and G-6 ("Gustav")
* Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-4b and G-2
* Focke Wulf Fw 190A-5 and F-8
* Junkers Ju88A-4
* Douglas C-47A (actually Junkers Ju-52 "Tante-Ju")

SPECS:
* The current game type is Teams.
* Ammo is set at normal.
* Fuel Burn is set at normal.
* Down time is set at normal.
* Killshooter is off (be careful: don't shoot friendly pilots :-)
* Enemy icon range is short (3K).

RADAR SETTINGS:
In the Eastern Front area was very few radar only in the Finnish capitol  Helsinki, in Estonia/Germany and in Lappland/Germany. Mostly Finnish and Russian fields did not have radar. That's why I have made radar settings very low:
* Enemy Radar range is about 8 miles from airfields (like visual contact).
* Enemy Sector Counter range is 12 miles from fields (like hearing contact).

EXTRAORDINARY IN THIS MAP:
* All the airfields are historical. The little "Backwoods Airfields" don't have runaways and hangers. There are 8 fighters and 4 bombers (actually plane-dugouts) in every field and you must destroy them in enemy fields. They react like hangers but aren't so difficult to shoot down: They need about one 500 lb or 250 kg bomb to destroy.

* Small sand-airfields have 8 fighters and 4 bombers, too. You must destroy both them and hangers in enemy fields. After all planes and hangers are destroyed, enemy cannot fly from that field. All hangers and airplanes needs 500 lb or 250 kg bomb to destroy.

* In some fields there are camouflage net (like those on Vehicle Hanger) instead of normal hanger. They are plane hangers yet. Under the camouflage nets you can find couple of bombers and fighters. Destroy them.

* Be worth to shoot trucks, tents and fuel barrels in enemy fields, too! For ex. in trucks are fuel, ammo, troops or maybe even Vodka :-)

* When you are landing to "Backwoods Airfield" remember always stop on the little sand-grass area (VH-ground) in the centre of field, otherwise you are "ditched"!

* Typical landscape in Finland area is swamp. In this map they are light green flat areas here and there in forestes. They are very good place when you must make emergency landing... :-)

VERY SPECIAL:
* Finnish players fly always in Rook/Finland Team and other nationality players in Bishop/Russia Team, unless Host puts teams in different order (I think this is good system in Combat Theater, too! :D )

SOME HISTORICAL BACKGROUND:
* In Northern Finland (called Lappland), Norway and Estonia there were Germans (Knights), because Finland and Germany were allied in 1941 - 1944.

* Finnish politics was never nazi politics like in Germany during those days. Finland fought against Russia and that was the only reason to ally with Germany.

* The blue svastika sign on Finnish planes (for ex. Bf 109 G2) is an old symbol from Swedish Count VonRosen, who presented the first aeroplane to Finnish Air Forces (FAF) in 1918. As you can see, that was many years earlier than nazis affected in Germany.

* We had about 100 World War II aces in Finland. Our best pilots were Ilmari Juutilainen (96 victories) and Hans Wind (75 victories). They both flew mostly with Brewster Model 239 and Messerschmitt Bf 109 fighters.

CONCLUSION:
Special thanks to Camouflage (Lentolaivue 34), WMaker (Lentolaivue 34) and Mipoikel (Leijonat) for their expert help to make this map.

And very special thanks to Jihad for landscape textures and Squirrel from town texture. Pokie, Nuttz and BenDover for Terrain Editor General help.

All coastlines and town transitions are made by myself... :cool:
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: Sabre on September 19, 2002, 03:28:52 PM
Thanks, Kanttori, and no need to apologize.  Your written English is very understandable.  The write up is very nice.  One question though: I don't recall America sending any P-51's to the USSR.  Did they actually have them and operate them against Finland?  You really need to make a winter version of this map as well...it would be stunning.  I've always admired Finland's courageous defense against the USSR.  The USA's alliance with Russia was a matter of expedience as well..."The enemy of my enemy is my ally."  Hope this map gets approved soon.  If I were setting this up, I'd make the Fins and Germans the same country (Rook, for example), but only enable the Finnish planes at historically Finnish bases.  Same with German planes.  Otherwise there's no way to keep people from shooting down an allied plane.  Thanks again for your hard work.

Sabre
CT Staff
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: Karnak on September 19, 2002, 04:15:05 PM
Very nice.

As a Finnish-American I must say I am glad to have the number of Finns in this hobby that we have.  Even though my ancestors were in the US by the time of the Winter War and Continuation War I take quite a bit of pride in the account Finland gave of itself.

Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: kanttori on September 19, 2002, 04:23:30 PM
Finnish pilots have seen and even shot down couple of Mustangs in our front. P51B's were equipped with Allison motors, not Merlin.

I think our history experts WMaker and Camo from Lentolaivue 34 can tell more of Mustangs in Finnish front. They both have helped me very much with historical details.

(For ex. i had very big problems to find historical Russian airfields in Kola Penninsula (North Russia). I didn't find anything from internet or library and I thought all the info is in Kreml! Then WMaker gave me a good book (Luftwaffe's North Front), and look: there was Russian airfield map!:D )

Our WW2 pilots have shot down couple of Spitfire V's, too, but Spitfire's were not very many in this area. That's why we didn't set them to available planes.

In my map you can find the "Murmansk Railway", too. CCCP used that railway to send the material to south from Murmansk port. I think one good scenario idea is to destroy the trains and airfields near "Murmansk Railway" with Germany jabos/bombers. They never did it 60 years ago, but now they can try it again...;)

It is good idea to put Germany and Finland to same side, I have tought about it myself, too! Estonia and Lappland fields must have then Germany planes (and Finnish fields still needs Brewster Model 239... :cool: )

Winter and autumn versions are under work. Mipoikel (Leijonat Squad CO) is working with textures and tons of snow!

When we see this map in Combat Theater, all Finnish AH-pilots from Leijonat, Lentolaivue 34 and Vaasan Vaakalentajat Squads CHALLENGE the rest of the world to fight against us! And trust me: we Finns NEVER fly with Red Star planes...:D :D :D
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: Sabre on September 19, 2002, 04:47:09 PM
LOL...It's a deal, Kantorri! By the way, the P-51B is Merlin powered, unless I'm mistaken.  It was the Mustang A-36, a ground-attack version, that had the Allison engine.  The British got a shipment of them, but found them less than impressive...until someone got the idea to put a Merlin engine in them.  The ones shot down by Finnish pilots may have been some of those A-36's, as I seem to recall now that Britain may have sent some to VVS as lend-lease.

Can't wait to see winter version.

Sabre
CT Staff
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: Slash27 on September 19, 2002, 06:25:56 PM
This sounds very cool Kanttori. I will be looking forward to it. Can anyone suggest any websites or books on the Finnish involvement in the war? I know next to nothing about it and would like to know more.
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: brady on September 20, 2002, 04:53:43 AM
This is a very Beautiful map, and the set up will I am shure be a very popular one indead, If any of you get a chance pop into H2H and check it out.
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: oboe on September 20, 2002, 07:34:06 AM
Beautiful map.

Really need the "Sky Pearl" when this baby is released!   I'm a little surprised to see the FM-2 subbing for the Brewster.  Was the B-239 that hot an airplane?   I don't doubt the B-239 could fly rings around the F2A, but if it was a match for the FM-2.  No wonder the Russians had so much trouble with it!   Certainly the B-239 didn't have the FM-2's ruggedness, though.   Did it even have self-sealing tanks and armor?

BTW, the P-51A was Allison-powered; maybe those were sent to Russia on Lend-Lease?

I don't believe the RAF used the A-36.   I think they used a variant of the Allison-powered P-51A.    And they did make use of it, unlike the P-39's brief time with the RAF...  
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: brady on September 20, 2002, 08:15:02 AM
Some creative license must be taken on ocashion to flesh out our plane set's for the ct, we all know this, and I think that the planes he has chosen for this map and the time frame are representave enough to warnet inclushion in this set up. I hope that HTC get's us that new terain editor asap so we can have some fun on this new map and try somthing truley different from our standard fair:)
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: LLv34_Camouflage on September 22, 2002, 02:32:04 PM
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Originally posted by oboe

I'm a little surprised to see the FM-2 subbing for the Brewster.  Was the B-239 that hot an airplane?   I don't doubt the B-239 could fly rings around the F2A, but if it was a match for the FM-2.  No wonder the Russians had so much trouble with it!   Certainly the B-239 didn't have the FM-2's ruggedness, though.   Did it even have self-sealing tanks and armor?


The Finnish Brewsters didn't have self sealing fuel tanks. That said, the BW wasn't very prone to catching fire even if the fuel tanks were hit. The Finns added pilot armor to the seats.

In AH, the F4F-4 is closer than FM2 to the performance of a fully loaded Finnish BW.  

The F4F-4 is about 15mph faster than BW on the deck, 20mph faster at altitude.  The AH FM2 is about 30mph faster than the BW.

Climb rates of the AH F4F-4 and the BW are almost identical, but the BW climbs a bit better around 5kft altitude. The AH FM2 climbs much better at all altitudes.

The Finnish Brewsters were equipped with 3 heavy and 1 light MG initially, but by early 1943 all BWs had been equipped with 4 heavy 12.7mm (.50cal) machine guns.

Camo
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: kanttori on September 25, 2002, 01:44:40 PM
Thanks Camo for information!

You and WMaker are the best "Historical Aeroplane Engineers" who I know!:D

But I think the best way to solve the Brewster Model 239 BIG  PROBLEM in our new Eastern Front terrain is very simply:

HTC: GIVE THE BW TO US WITH FINNISH SIGNS! :rolleyes:
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: julle on September 25, 2002, 03:20:33 PM
OUTSTANDING FELLAS! :eek:

I will use my 2 week trial in this one, TY!, , WTG!

Please give a hint/call if/when this TOD is about to go on...

julle, CO Überfinns Perkele! (AH-squad of finn WB-players)
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: Jasz on September 26, 2002, 06:21:08 AM
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OUTSTANDING FELLAS!  

I will use my 2 week trial in this one, TY!, , WTG!

Please give a hint/call if/when this TOD is about to go on...


S!
Same here. Map looks great kanttori :D :D :D

Jasz
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: Xjazz on September 26, 2002, 07:49:08 AM
Tästä tulee vielä lystiä!

:D  :D  :D
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: julle on September 26, 2002, 08:16:26 AM
H2H for eight (8) players? That´s available already if we spare our 2 weeks for CT! ;)


julle, H2H NO ICONS ANYONE?
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: Xjazz on September 26, 2002, 08:23:25 AM
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Originally posted by julle
H2H for eight (8) players? That´s available already if we spare our 2 weeks for CT! ;)


julle, H2H NO ICONS ANYONE?



When Julle? Do you host?
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: Xjazz on September 26, 2002, 08:30:54 AM
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Originally posted by Slash27
This sounds very cool Kanttori. I will be looking forward to it. Can anyone suggest any websites or books on the Finnish involvement in the war? I know next to nothing about it and would like to know more.



Hi

Check out
Finnish Fighter History  (http://www.sci.fi/~fta/history.htm) pages.
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: julle on September 26, 2002, 08:44:09 AM
Kanttori should HOST ´cos I don´t have the terrain yet...
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: Wmaker on September 26, 2002, 12:23:22 PM
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Originally posted by Sabre
By the way, the P-51B is Merlin powered, unless I'm mistaken.  It was the Mustang A-36, a ground-attack version, that had the Allison engine.  The British got a shipment of them, but found them less than impressive...until someone got the idea to put a Merlin engine in them.  The ones shot down by Finnish pilots may have been some of those A-36's, as I seem to recall now that Britain may have sent some to VVS as lend-lease.


Yep P-51B has the Merlin and that's why it has *dramatically* better performance than Allison powered Mustangs. The Mustangs that soviets had were Allison powered NA-73s (Mustang Mk.I for the Brits). We've kept it in the H2H use just for it's "similar" appearance and to have more diversity. It definately shouldn't be available in CT. We just had it in there for fun. :)

One of my long time dreams will come true if this setup hits CT. :)
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: kanttori on September 26, 2002, 01:55:30 PM
I'm very pleased of this nice discussion of our becoming Finnish-Russia map!

I have done very much work with that map, but in this week I have worked only in my old Sauna bulding. I am repairing it and it is becoming like new one! Everybody knows that Sauna is very necessary relaxing place to Finnish people: Without it you cannot do anything... :D

I am hosting in H2H-arena next time on Friday 27. of september at 19.00 GMT. Wellcome everybody to: "Suur-Suomi: Finland - Russia Teams" to check it live!

And after that wellcome to my brand new SAUNA!:D :D :D
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: mipoikel on September 26, 2002, 11:59:32 PM
Hmmm lots of pressure for me to start working with winter textures. I'd hope I had more time for this. ;)
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: Karnak on September 27, 2002, 02:10:33 AM
I look forward to a Continuation War setup in the CT.  I will, of course, fly for the Finns only.

Reading this thread reminds me of one more reason to be really, REALLY ticked off at the state of the economy.  I was planning a trip to Finland, but had to cancel it due to economic preasure.  Now I'm nearly bankrupt and haven't a clue when I'll manage to get over there.

Sigh.
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: kanttori on September 27, 2002, 05:07:41 AM
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Originally posted by mipoikel
Hmmm lots of pressure for me to start working with winter textures. I'd hope I had more time for this. ;)


Hey Mipoikel, it's not winter yet here in Finland, you have enought time!:D

But where are HTC's early WWII planes, for ex. Fokker D XXI (Finland) and "Tsaikka" (Russia)? If we some day have them, we can make with this map real WINTER WAR 1939-40!:cool:
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: kanttori on September 27, 2002, 05:20:43 AM
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Originally posted by Karnak
I look forward to a Continuation War setup in the CT.  I will, of course, fly for the Finns only.

Reading this thread reminds me of one more reason to be really, REALLY ticked off at the state of the economy.  I was planning a trip to Finland, but had to cancel it due to economic preasure.  Now I'm nearly bankrupt and haven't a clue when I'll manage to get over there.

Sigh.


Hello Karnak!

Can you speak and read/write Finnish? It is very necessary because of our Finnish radio channel!:D

If you can't, we can always arrange one Squad to "Volyntary Pilots" from foreign countries! We had them 1939-44 for ex. from Estonia and Sweden!:D :D

And if you are coming to Finland, you are always wellcome to visit and stay with me in Joensuu. I have big home and two Saunas: one electric and one wood heating... I promise to you good steams!:D :D :D
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: julle on September 27, 2002, 09:00:42 AM
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We can always arrange one Squad to "Voluntary Pilots" from foreign countries! We had them 1939-44.


Like Gefechtsverband Kuhlmey? :D

julle
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: kanttori on September 29, 2002, 04:05:45 AM
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Originally posted by julle


Like Gefechtsverband Kuhlmey? :D

julle


Good idea Julle! Maybe I put the Immola-Airfield near Imatra town and all non-finns fly from there with Germany planes!:D

By the way, we need Stuka to Gefechtsverband Kuhlmey, too...:rolleyes:
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: julle on September 29, 2002, 02:13:08 PM
I didn´t get your E-Mail for the arena settings! Can you resend it kanttori?

What I´m looking for is:

- LOW/NO ICONS
- DAR tower only
- reduced lethality
- NO killshooter

Then I coud go on hosting Karjala Takaisin! H2H. Do the arena settings save automativcally? Or do I have to adjust them everytime i host?

:D julle
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: kanttori on September 30, 2002, 03:02:59 AM
Julle, I send files and information to you last night. Did you got it? If not, send me your e-mail: ismo@kesalesket.net :cool:
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: Sabre on September 30, 2002, 12:53:48 PM
Kanttori, any word from HTC on this terrain? If they can get it approved and on the servers by this Thursday, 3 Oct, I'll put it up in the CT the following day.

Sabre
CT Staff
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: kanttori on September 30, 2002, 01:26:43 PM
Hello Sabre!

I send Finland-Russia map files today to HTC/Ronni. I am waiting feedback, maybe she writes to me tomorrow...

I must make some final adjustments to the map, but I think I can send the final version files to you on thursday evening. I have now version FinRus11 and that you can have just now to check the fields and setup before friday if you want!

The new Terrain Editor is not ready yet, but I make updates to FinRus map after the new editor is released. I mean for example original skins to Russian and Finnish planes etc. Now we must play with english, american and germany skins, it's not nice...

And if it is possible, I want to see what kind of setup you are going to make to CT... I send my MOTD updated text with the files, there is setup as historical as it can be!

Can you please send me your e-mail adress where I can send the FinRus11 and other files!;)

Kanttori
Warrant Officer
Leijonat Squad
Suomi - Finland
ismo@kesalesket.net
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: kanttori on September 30, 2002, 02:41:11 PM
Hello again Sabre!

HTC just answer me:

"Thank you for sending us your new terrain, but we need the source files in order to build it and put it in an arena.  Please zip up the whole FinRus11 folder and send that to us."

Looks like it's OK with HTC! The map is ready on wednesday after I have made couple of checkings with it! I can still send to you the FinRus11 res-file, if you want to plan your CT settings there!:cool:

Kanttori
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: Sabre on September 30, 2002, 07:14:27 PM
Thanks, Kanttori.  Send the file to rkjern@adelphia.net and I'll start planning.  I'm not sure HTC will have it checked by Thursday or not.  They usually take a little longer than a couple days to check a terrain over. If it's ready for this weekend, I'll run it.  If not, but HTC approves it next week or the week after, it will definitely be in the CT rotation in the not too distant future.  It may be somebody else in the CT Staff that uses it, but it will get used.

As for the specifics, I'll try to stick with your set up as much as possible, as I know you've done a lot of research.  We sometimes make changes to balance play, but I'll be posting them ahead of time, so you and everyone else will get the chance to give their inputs.  For instance, I'll probably leave the P51 out, and may go with the F4F instead of the FM-2 as a substitute for the Buffalo.  From what I've read, the F4F (except for fire power) is more representative performance-wise of the Brewster then the FM-2.  Either way, I'm looking forward to it.

Sabre
CT Staff
P.S. I hope you don't mind if we allow anyone who wants to play the Finns to do so;).
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: kanttori on October 01, 2002, 05:12:42 AM
Hello Sabre!

Files are coming to you. You can take P51B away and change FM2 to F4F. We have thought about it with WMaker and it is good idea!

Send your MOTD to me when it is ready, please! We can check it together with WMaker (from Lentolaivue 34)!

We have one problem:

If you put Finland and Germany together (ROOKS !) they have two times more fields than Russia (BISHOPS). Is it possible that Germany is KNIGHTS and we have three countries in this area like in history? You can write to MOTD, that Germany and Finland don't shoot each other, they are ALLIED! It is intresting and little bit historical too when you must first identify planes (bishop or knight) and after that make your flight plans. What do you think?
 
I know the problem is near airfields, because rook's ack don't identify knight's planes and vice versa. But Knights have their own area in Estonia and Lappland and they must stay in those areas! Think about it!

I WANT OPINIONS TO THIS PROBLEM FROM OTHER PLAYERS, PLEASE! :confused:
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: Wmaker on October 01, 2002, 05:25:53 AM
Kanttori, I think the best way is to setup Finnish Air Force and Luftwaffe to the same country. As you know Sabre can limit the Luftwaffe planes to the fields that historically had them (Immola for example). Having 2 allied countries in two different Aces High-countries will never work. Everybody doesn't read the MOTD properly and there are people who will shoot the ally-side just for the heck of it. We just have to leave the Lappland out this time to keep it even. There are too many problems to make it work. The major battle in 1944 was fought on the Karelian isthumus anyway.

Sabre,

Your plane choises sound very good. Personally I don't care much about substitutes but I know we'll need them to have enough diversity in the planeset. Looking good Sabre. :)
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: kanttori on October 01, 2002, 11:30:12 PM
WMaker, I think you're right. I think Sabre knows the best way to do setup!;)

And Sabre, I'm sorry, I have worked with the map all night long (it's now 7.30 morning), but there is still very much to do:

I worked mainly with landscapes, because Archangel and Estonia areas was very "raw" looking. After I had adjust one place I found new place with "pyramids" and unnatural looking landscapes.

I have very many little but necessary things still to do, for ex. couple of spawn points to GV's, Knight's (Germany) roads and convoys in Lappland and Norway, New Clipboard map and maps from "Backwoods airfields", water tone adjustment etc.

Maybe I'm a perfectionist, but I don't want to release unfinished map and I need about one week to finish and test it in H2H. I promise to you that it is ready to HTC check at least wednesday 9. of October! I hope you understand me...:(

Can you please give me feedback from the map, it helps me with my work! For example:

-is it playable in CT?
-what you think about "Backwoods airfields" with "plane-hangers" (4 bomber and 8 fighter). Is it working in CT?
-are there enough fields, railways/trains, roads/convoys etc?
-are distanges between fields and targets too long in Lappland/Norway/Kola Peninsula?
-do you like to have more entry/spawn points here and there?
:confused:
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: brady on October 02, 2002, 02:03:33 AM
It might work out best if you put it up again in H2H so we could pop in and give it a fly around, Personaly i realy liked what u did with the back woods fields, i would like to see what you have done tough recentaly:)

 I am up on the 18th, sabre is up this Friday and Buzz the folowing Friday, so depending on when you get it done, it will most likly fall on one of the 3 of us to run it.

 Personaly I am very excited at the prospect of seing this in the CT it is the newest thing we have seen in a long time:)

                 
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: crowbaby on October 02, 2002, 05:28:05 AM
Really looking forward to this unique and characterful set up appearing in the CT! though i'll probably have to fly Soviet to balance the numbers...

Don't know if it was deliberate but it's great to see the discussion of the set up at such an early stage (before map is fully finished), helps us to understand what goes into it and how it's to be balanced etc.

gonna go to the Aircraft and Vehicles thread now and add my voice to the Brewster petition....
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: kanttori on October 04, 2002, 06:45:40 PM
Hello Brady and Sabre!

Now we finally have the new Terrain Editor and our skin team is starting to work with Finnish and Russian planes!:D

I release the map after skins are ready, I think it takes two or three weeks, it depends on our artists...

I have think about the Finland-Germany alliance and I am making them to same country: Rooks. I create more airfields to Russia, because I have now good fieldmap where is all Russian fields in this front.

I mean that Rooks (Finland-Germany) and Bishops (Russia) have then same amount airfields.

We can make different plane settings to Finnish and Germany airfields in Combat Theater. I think it is the easiest way to solve this alliance-problem and make equal quantity of fields to both sides!:cool:

OK?
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: kanttori on October 09, 2002, 04:53:56 AM
Hello Sabre, Brady and CT Staff!

I have now made some adjustments to FinRus map:

1) Finland and Germany are now Rooks (Knights HQ is in Stocholm/Sweden: no fields!:D ).

2) Bishop/Russia have now more fields: 38 (35 airfields, 2 Vehicle fields and one Depot). They have now many fields on the background (for ex. near Arkhangel, whick was one Germany target).

3) Rooks have same amount of fields than Bishops.

4) We have now couple of planes with Finnish signs: Hurri 1, F4F, Junkers 88 etc. They are still demos (no Finnish camouflage yet), but nice looking!:D

I am hosting FinRus12 in H2H arena in this Wednesday evening from 22.00 GMT and next time on Friday from 21.00 GMT. Wellcome to look the new systems to "Finland vs Russia Teams".
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: Xjazz on October 09, 2002, 07:43:10 AM
Im sure Kanttori mean 20:00 GMT, because 22:00 GMT is midnight here in Finland (GMT+2).

Well,  lets see.
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: kanttori on October 09, 2002, 12:51:31 PM
You're right XJazz!

Today host is open 20.30 GMT (after sauna) and friday 19.00 GMT:D
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: julle on October 10, 2002, 01:00:37 AM
Any news of the FIN-RUS being on the CT? PLS let´s us "2 weekers" know in advance...

julle, Überfinns Perkele!
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: LLv34_Camouflage on October 10, 2002, 04:27:44 AM
In my opinion, it would be better to use FM2 as the basis for the Brewster.  My reasoning is that all the VVS planes in the current AH planeset are the "super" versions of those planes.  AH lacks all the 1939-1942 VVS planes that the Brewster fought against.

The VVS gets super substitutes, therefore the "turbo Brewster" should be used as well.

Maybe skin both the F4F and FM2 as Brewsters? When early VVS planes are added into AH, the F4F can be taken into use.  And eventually, when we get the BW, we can disregard the substitutes altogether. :)

Best regards,

Camo
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: LLv34_Camouflage on October 10, 2002, 04:36:08 AM
Also, the F4F is a squeak to fly.  The FM2 is much more forgiving and less prone to snaprolling in tight turns, closer to the Brewster in flight characteristics.


From Lentäjän Näkökulma 2, "Pilot's Point of View 2":

"The Brewster went into a turn clearly faster than a Curtiss or a Spitfire. During turns the control harmony was good. BW warned with a tremble when the stall was near, but didn't tend to snaproll. The BW could be pulled without care and even flown incorrectly. Turning ability was quite good, a 180 degree turn from 350 km/h IAS took 7 seconds at 2 km."

Camo
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: Sabre on October 10, 2002, 08:03:15 AM
Hey, Kanttori, glad to hear of your progress with terrain.  Sorry I haven't been more vocal in here in the last week, but the current CT set up has been keeping me hopping.  It sounds great, and yes I got your e-mail.  The backwoods airfields are cool, by the way.  I can't wait to see the reskinned aircraft as well.  I would second the above suggestion that you create skins for both the F4F and FM-2.  I'd like to have the option of using either as a means of balancing the planeset.  I'm glad you went with the idea of creating two primary sides, making the German and Finnish fields all one country.  I'll just need an update one which fields should have Luftwaffe planes and which should have Finnish AF planes.  Really looking forward to this one.

Sabre
CT Staff
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: kanttori on October 10, 2002, 01:05:22 PM
Hello Sabre!

I have now one week autumn holiday from my music teacher job and I am working whole week with skins and FinRus map. I think I can send to you new FinRus update in next weekend.

Of course you are wellcome on friday 19.00 GMT to my "Finland-Russia: Teams" H2H host. If I don't see you there, I send the update to you!;)
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: Sabre on October 10, 2002, 01:39:26 PM
Sounds good, Kanttori.  I'll have to decline the invitation, as I'll be at work (they seem to take a dim view of playing games on company computers, especially when I'm supposed to be working).  Looking forward to seeing the terrain update.

Sabre
CT Staff
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: 1984 on October 10, 2002, 07:42:58 PM
Thats very impressive.

:)
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: kanttori on October 13, 2002, 02:17:11 PM
We have now new edited skins on next planes:
FINLAND:  Junkers Ju88 and Hurricane I
RUSSIA: Boston III

And C-47 is edited "neutral" to both countries. All new skins looks great and more is coming daily!:D

I can send the new edited map with new skins to CT staff next weekend.
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: BNM on October 29, 2002, 12:07:01 PM
I'm 100% for a Brewster Buffalo but maybe I'm just predudice.
Title: Images from Finland-Russia map
Post by: julle on October 29, 2002, 02:02:58 PM
(http://www.sci.fi/~ambush/faf/dc1.jpg)


^^Hanssin-Jukka :D

julle

http://www.sci.fi/~ambush/faf/faf.html