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Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: Saurdaukar on September 19, 2002, 02:04:00 PM
VOSS!!!!

Please go and change your fargin name so the rest of us icehole bastages dont have to read 200 posts of anti-Voss psychobabble everytime to post something.  Fargin icehole...

:D
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: akak on September 20, 2002, 05:18:35 AM
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Originally posted by Oedipus
Yeah.


And might I suggest "Oneman" as a disguise??



(lol. cracking myself up)


or "Ironman"...oh wait, that was his secret agent wingman in the Gulf.


ack-ack
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: lazs2 on September 20, 2002, 08:42:44 AM
ya know akak... just because we can't see those people...
lazs
Title: Re: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: DamnedBuzzard on September 20, 2002, 09:03:29 AM
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
VOSS!!!!

Please go and change your fargin name so the rest of us icehole bastages dont have to read 200 posts of anti-Voss psychobabble everytime to post something.  Fargin icehole...

:D


Two things tool of the emperor: you don't "have to" read any of this.......and wouldn't it be great if he changed his name and started makin a flight sim all over again.

Based on the intellect demonstrated in your post you'd probably send him gobs of money.
Title: Re: Re: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: DeadDuck on September 20, 2002, 10:08:49 AM
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Originally posted by DamnedBuzzard

Based on the intellect demonstrated in your post you'd probably send him gobs of money.


stick a fork in im mate.

DD
Title: Re: Re: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: batdog on September 20, 2002, 11:26:14 AM
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Originally posted by DamnedBuzzard


Two things tool of the emperor: you don't "have to" read any of this.......and wouldn't it be great if he changed his name and started makin a flight sim all over again.

Based on the intellect demonstrated in your post you'd probably send him gobs of money.



Mazz is hardly a "tool of the emperor". His post was an attempt of humor at the nailing of Voss's arse to the wall we've seen here lately.

 Voss has brought some crap down on his head for whatever reason. I wasnt there.... so I cant comment on that. He has made some outlandish claims in the past but you know what.... I've met alot of Ex-rangers and SF since getting out of the Army in 88, oh Seals... thats a big one too. I just chalk it up to more wanna-be's.


Anyway... Mazz is me squadie. I dont like seeing him getting bashed simply due to his view in the Voss lynching thing.

xBAT
The Flying Circus
Title: Re: Re: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: Saurdaukar on September 20, 2002, 03:40:11 PM
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Originally posted by DamnedBuzzard


Two things tool of the emperor: you don't "have to" read any of this.......and wouldn't it be great if he changed his name and started makin a flight sim all over again.

Based on the intellect demonstrated in your post you'd probably send him gobs of money.



Mr. "I think Im funny #1"  :D
Title: Re: Re: Re: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: Saurdaukar on September 20, 2002, 03:41:02 PM
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Originally posted by DeadDuck


stick a fork in im mate.

DD


and...

Mr. "I think Im funny #2"

Have a great day guys.  :D

Edit:  Oh, and incedently, judging by your distaste of the situation, Buzzard, I assume you were one of the minions that gave money to Voss?  :D

Either way your method of insulting those whose viewpoints you dont agree with is usually due to low self esteem and/or sexual frustration.  Please dont embarress yourself by trying to be witty again, it makes the community look bad.  :D
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: vorticon on September 20, 2002, 03:41:39 PM
is it just me or is everyone that plays MA insane?
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: Saurdaukar on September 20, 2002, 03:52:31 PM
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Originally posted by vorticon
is it just me or is everyone that plays MA insane?


The people that play are fine, its the people that spend all day browsing the BBS for posts to fry that worry me.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: DeadDuck on September 20, 2002, 05:07:09 PM
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Originally Arp'd by Saurdaukar


Either way your method of insulting those whose viewpoints you dont agree with is usually due to low self esteem and/or sexual frustration.  Please dont embarress yourself by trying to be witty again, it makes the community look bad.  :D  


Hmmm somebody just held up a mirror.  Wonder what he saw?

DD
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: Animal on September 20, 2002, 05:12:36 PM
What the hell is with the Voss obession all the people here show?

I'm clueless, did he rape a child or something?
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: midnight Target on September 20, 2002, 05:15:13 PM
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Originally posted by Animal
What the hell is with the Voss obession all the people here show?

I'm clueless, did he rape a child or something?


He did the only thing worse.
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: Pongo on September 20, 2002, 05:59:32 PM
something interesting and rediculous...
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: ALF on September 20, 2002, 06:52:43 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target


He did the only thing worse.



Lets keep things in the realm of reality PLEASE.   Yes Mr Voss has a past, and yes many people hold a grudge, and yes I feel much of it is deserved, but while I feel the entire episode was deserving of his being flogged....repeatedly......in acid.........oh sorry I digress...he should be held accountable.   It was YEARS ago, and while I realize some people cant let it go, it has long since passed out of my list of things I get worked up about.

The fact that he does not hide (uses the name directly associated with the past) does bring to question why....but that is his decision, and I feel that unless he starts crossing the line professing his knowlege/ability and or making false statements of his personal experience to prove his points or attack someone elses opinion, he should be lef tto his own devices.

Many may be wondering why no one mentions the thing we all dance around, and I do it because bringing it up does nothing but allow those who are ignorant of the whole thing to research it more easily, and get all worked up over something that means nothing to them but a way to attack someone else for their past.

NO   what happened was not even in the same hemisphere as child rape.

YES it sucked and was wrong and some people have every right to be less than forgiving

YES it should be dropped
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: Rotorian on September 20, 2002, 07:23:39 PM
YES it should be dropped

Why yes, eventually, until it comes up again :).
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: eskimo2 on September 20, 2002, 08:57:16 PM
I'm bumpin this thread all the way to 300!

eskimo
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: DeadDuck on September 20, 2002, 10:04:24 PM
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Originally posted by ALF

NO   what happened was not even in the same hemisphere as child rape.


Agreed

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YES it sucked and was wrong and some people have every right to be less than forgiving


Agreed

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YES it should be dropped


Nope way wrong.  Part of reason that it happened in first place was because people who DID know he was full of it kept quiet thinking it was just a troll and non of their business.  After years on line I have come to believe stronly the only way to control vermin is to keep a bright light on them.

DD
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: Animal on September 20, 2002, 11:21:16 PM
so someone explain in detail how he scammed gullible people out of their money?
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: Kieran on September 20, 2002, 11:48:26 PM
I received an e-mail asking for donations to restore a B17 that had just been located (happened right after sending the NDA). I'm pretty sure it was widely discussed on the TAS BBS and alt.game.flightsim NG. That was many years ago, and I am not sure how many guys really contributed or where the money went.

Michael Hobuss wound up in court over the machine he gave to Voss for development. He also footed the bill for the BBS. Not sure if they had a server for that as well.

Yes, there were people ripped off.
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: -ammo- on September 21, 2002, 12:00:48 AM
I believe that a large portion of the "regulars" that post here do not have a satisfying life outside of this game/bbs. Otherwise this whole mess wouldnt matter to them (at elast not enough to waste energy on it.
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: SOB on September 21, 2002, 01:37:53 AM
I thought all the to-do about TAS was pretty amusing at the time, but now it's just getting sad.  Let it go people.  It's getting old, and it's got nothing to do with Aces High.


SOB
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: Fariz on September 21, 2002, 01:52:20 AM
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Originally posted by SOB
I thought all the to-do about TAS was pretty amusing at the time, but now it's just getting sad.  Let it go people.  It's getting old, and it's got nothing to do with Aces High.

SOB


Absolutly.
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: moot on September 21, 2002, 02:01:08 AM
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Originally posted by DeadDuck

Nope way wrong.  [...] the only way to control vermin is to keep a bright light on them.
DD


That's as rancid as the mother spying every second on every millimiter of the child's room for evidence it might possibly be having a boyfriend before the acceptable age. :eek:

It's known with, one thread passed the hundreds of post with at least half in tomato-throwing fashion. Isn't that enough already?
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: Wotan on September 21, 2002, 07:33:15 AM
You know if you think about it its sad that a guy would lie and exploit his "friends" but from what I have read sounds like most of yas are disgruntled suckers. Half of the things that voss allegedly claimed is so outragous it seems to me you would have to be a real rock to fall for it.

Even though I wasnt there the "Voss swindle" is well known. But at this point the more that gets drug out the more it looks like there were alot of easy marks flying aw.

Take it Judge Judy...........

I heard there was a bridge for sale somewhere, email me a check if ya want in.

EDIT: DO NOT SEND ANY MONEY. THIS WAS A JOKE.
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: Samm on September 21, 2002, 07:38:21 AM
Excellent Trolls Voss, you allmost conned them out of money .
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: lazs2 on September 21, 2002, 09:01:35 AM
lets get one thing straight....   His "crime" is that he is unrepentant.

No one that I know is against giving him, or anyone else, a second chance but.... Voss is still on his first chance.   So long as he is the brave fighter pilot 2/5 ace, game developer, etc add nauseum....  Well....

it is a public service to out him.

Many on these board have admitted some screw ups and apolodgized.   I think the overwhelming reaction from all the  so called "witch burners" on this board was positive.  

there... now... does everyone see the difference?
lazs
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on September 21, 2002, 09:13:33 AM
Yeah seen this alot now

Voss ur a bish the rest doesn't count to me
:D

It sick talkin crap about eachother in public

Be a man visit eachother and fight it out
instead of acting like little girls.
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: AKDejaVu on September 21, 2002, 09:24:34 AM
One thing is for sure.. the TAS situation taught quite a few people to take a developer's promises with a grain of salt.  Its funny to watch the way people sing the praises of a yet to be released sim based solely on what they've read about it.  I bet about 80% of the people posting in this thread have learned not to do that ever again.  The other 20% most likely will never learn.

What voss did back then was wrong... but someone hit it on the head with the use of "disgruntled".  People were just looking for excuses to slam the "lack of development" in the existing games.  He had a ripe group of minions to spread his evil.

So.. maybe it would be fair if voss was criticized for being such an bellybutton back during the TAS situation whenever he tries to get morally superior or sell something... as long as everyone that ranted about how great TAS was is thumped every time they decide to sing the praises of a yet-to-be-released game.

AKDejaVu
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: Kieran on September 21, 2002, 10:07:43 AM
I am not angry about the mess- I didn't lose anything of value. I didn't even read the "Ego" thread until last night, and only then because I was bored after a long day at work. Dunno, maybe I don't have a satisfying life outside the BBS...

...however that doesn't mean I didn't see the lies popping up again. Sadly, (and from my perspective) the stories I saw recounted were 100% accurate, the denials 100% false. I find it more incredible now than anything that the person can continue to tell such whopping lies with absolutely no indication of remorse.

I don't want an apology- I kick myself for trusting and defending him (to a point), but then realize I would do the same again for anyone stepping out there publicly. OTOH, if someone that has proven himself to be a liar and cheat once again shows signs of repeating past mistakes, yes, I will help fill in blanks.

Voss might be an ok guy in person, he might not be, but in either event he can be avoided for the most part if you desire. OTOH, if he has the lack of common sense to get involved in threads where he takes a stance backed up with imaginary credentials, he's just asking for it. I can remember a not-to-long-ago argument he had with a resident player over artwork. I even made a cautious warning at that point to "let it go", 'cause I knew this toejamstorm was out there waiting for him at a moment's notice.
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: Thrawn on September 21, 2002, 10:42:52 AM
I'm getting bored of all this character assassination.  I say we start actual assassination.
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: aac on September 21, 2002, 10:48:46 AM
Ok I am probably going to make some people mad but oh well.  I never played anyother game so I had no idea of what you were talking about at the start of this but I have since found out and went to the other board and read extensively.  I would like to make an observation though.

Last year when I started with Aces High I came to this BB to learn about the game and how to fly these machines, there was some good natured picking at each other but never any vindictive posting;  with the advent of AW people comming over when it closed down the attitude has changed in a dramatic way.

Now for someone that is an "outsider" this is easy to see, for those that came over it is probably not, but when you go read posts on the other board this board is getting to look just like an exact copy of the other one.  

If you read every post on this board you will notice a real change in the temperment about last December where people started getting berated rather than the friendly helpful attitude it was when I started last August.

Here is where people will get mad,  ACES HIGH is not AIR WARRIOR, leave the AW stuff there and bring back the friendly helpful environment to ACES HIGH and this BB.  Last August there was never anyone that asked for help that did not get a cheerful helpful reply and while I am at it let me put in this VOSS was one of those people that would help newbies like myself without yelling GO READ THE README FILE, and that is the general attitude in here now.  I agree they should read the readme file but I haven't met and ex-AW'er including most of the three squads I have been in that has bothered to read it, they all ask me about it.

If you cant leave the past in the past especially for the length of time that has passed here, you need serious mental help.  If you just must pass derogatory remarks then go back to AW board and post them there, and leave this board for helpful post for ACES HIGH.

This is just my opinion, but I have sat and watched as long as I can without letting it be known.  So now let the flames begin.
Title: Re: Re: Re: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: DamnedBuzzard on September 21, 2002, 11:06:40 AM
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Originally posted by batdog



Mazz is hardly a "tool of the emperor". His post was an attempt of humor at the nailing of Voss's arse to the wall we've seen here lately.




Anyway... Mazz is me squadie. I dont like seeing him getting bashed simply due to his view in the Voss lynching thing.

xBAT
The Flying Circus



Jeebus, I hate having to explain obvious references but , my ill read friend, "tool of the emperor" is a reference to his handle "sardaukar" . If that doesn't get ya there may I suggest you read a book or two. Start with Frank Herbert.

BTW, did he ask you to splain that his post was an "attempt at humor" or have you just decided to share your mind reading skills with the rest of the world ?

And finally, I will be sure , from here on out, to check with you for likes and dislikes before I post.
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: Animal on September 21, 2002, 11:19:01 AM
Ok so its a rainy morning and I finally took up the patience to read that whole thread. Must say it was worth it. Hilarious stuff, comedy gold.

TheWobble is a nobody now, long live Voss.

and I got me a new signature!
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: DamnedBuzzard on September 21, 2002, 11:20:09 AM
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar



Edit:  Oh, and incedently, judging by your distaste of the situation, Buzzard, I assume you were one of the minions that gave money to Voss?  :D

Either way your method of insulting those whose viewpoints you dont agree with is usually due to low self esteem and/or sexual frustration.  Please dont embarress yourself by trying to be witty again, it makes the community look bad.  :D  



Point 1> As I explained elsewhere, I was around at the time, was asked to beta test and all the associated oportunities and passed. Doesn't change my right to all a thief a thief.

Point 2> I love this . I point out your demonstrable ignorance ( and you might want to look that word up before your next tirade) and you fly off into a personal attack based on a total lack of knowledge on your subject. If either of us should be embarassed in this exchange it certainly isn't me cupcake.

 BTW, based on a rather large quantity of posts I've read (your's obviously foremost among them) virtually anything I spew here can only raise the level of wit and make the "community " look a bit better to those  with an eighth grade or better education.
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: DeadDuck on September 21, 2002, 01:58:10 PM
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Originally posted by moot
That's as rancid as the mother spying every second on every millimiter of the child's room for evidence it might possibly be having a boyfriend before the acceptable age. :eek:

It's known with, one thread passed the hundreds of post with at least half in tomato-throwing fashion. Isn't that enough already?


This post is stupid too.  This isnt a parent spying on a kid, this is the neighborhood making a citizens arrest when a convicted car thief escapes from the police and shows up in the neighborhood and starts commenting on what nice cars everyone has.

The second part, well no.  As long as Voss and his partisans want to minimize his behavior I say rock on.

Your type I have seen before.  You are uncomfortable with dealing with unpleasent people so rather than avoid the unpleasentness or deal with the griefers you attack those that bring attention to the situation.  You dont actually care what Voss has done or to who or if he does it again.  You just dont want YOUR comfortable little world rocked.

DD
Title: A plea to Voss!!!
Post by: Skuzzy on September 21, 2002, 02:45:45 PM
This thread is closed.