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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Kratzer on September 19, 2002, 05:41:25 PM
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So F1 2002 and Grand Prix 4 are both out...
Anyone played both?
Impressions?
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I haven't played both, but I have a copy of GP4. It's got very nice graphics but it is a buggy piece of crap. Many people report various stability problems with this game. It also uses a very primitive menu setup (similar to the original GP circa 1991) and the physics are nothing special. So I can't recommend GP4. I don't know anything about the other title.
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Good to know...
The general views I'm finding are that F1 2002 (EA) looks better, plays better, and is just all around better...
Need to pick up something new to try that wheel out on. ;)
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Try this: http://www.liveforspeed.com
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Last time I played was GP3 . Havent played many car games since, too much into WB and then AH.
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Just tried the demo for F1 2002. It looks pretty solid. I'm guessing since the demo says 'work in progress' that the full version runs a bit better, looks a bit nicer, etc.
I've got a lot to learn about F1 racing though... I'm not too good yet. :)
Going to go pick up a copy of this now.
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Grand Prix Legends with all the patches possible.
http://www.scawen.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
http://www.west-racing.com/
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Grand Prix Legends is the best.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Grand Prix Legends is the best.
AKDejaVu
Amen!
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I dunno... that seems like an awful lot of work just to play a game...
Looks like the Falcon 4 of Formula racers... :)
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I have a copy of GPL on the way to me... for free!
A few questions:
Can someone point me towards a 'F1 Racing for retards' guide? I know very little about it (as in, I can probably recognize an F1 car, but that's it). I'm just curious about the best way to drive 'em, etc.
Do F1 drivers do left foot braking? The cars are all rear wheel drive, yes?
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...and that west-racing.com site is a different game, no?
Where do I get 'all the patches' for GPL?
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Originally posted by Kratzer
A few questions:
Can someone point me towards a 'F1 Racing for retards' guide?
not for retards ;) but this (http://eaglewoman.simracing.dk/gpl/contents.htm) could help you start your GPL career.
have fun
Gh0stFT
ps. yes the west brother started on a new project called: racing-legends.
i still dont know what happened to theyr old project called WSC.
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Kratser if you read thru the west-racing webiste you will understand why you must keep it bookmarked.
VROC website (http://www.vroc.net/)
GPLEA (http://www.gplea.org/)
The Ultimate GPL Links Page (http://www.racesimcentral.com/links/ultimate.shtml)
vroc updater (http://www.rmoedt.cistron.nl/vrocip.exe)
Track programmes/covers (http://www.trilon.com/bapom/)
GPL tracks database (http://magnust.d2g.com/)
GPL++ addons (http://www.gplpp.com/) Online racing behavior (http://www.powerup.com.au/~philmak/gplac/rec_driver_beh.htm)
Some hints on driving technique (http://website.lineone.net/~richardn/)
Nice little site with clear links to all sorts of useful stuff, mainly guides, tips and racing theory. (http://hem.passagen.se/passport/?noframes)
Interesting discussion on racing psychology (http://simracingmag.gameloft.com/pf_JS2.html#menu)
Some nice links here too! (http://www.geocities.com/dmackf2/extra_good_stuff.html)
Track guides (http://lightsoutracing.simplenet.com/trackguides/index.html)
Various D3D fixes (http://www.horbra.de/winmip/index.html)
Bruce's Honda Page (http://nosthevamp.tripod.com/start.htm)
Closed since but good foolishness (http://website.lineone.net/~richardn/)
Don't bother comparing realism of anything to GPL.
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WSC in full or part and anything belonging by contract to the previous publisher(s) was amputated/canned, Racing legends is their new software.
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For advice it's a lot like AH flying competition:
Concentrate, stay clear to have good reflexes, learn the corners, learn the car, learn the opponents (if time trial, you are it), go as fast as possible (this means don't spin, don't scrub E needlessly, don't use bogus lines), be a cheating bastard :)
Maybe the only constant I see: the guy who wants it most is already ahead of everyone.
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Yeah, you just summed up all the stuff I could figure out myself. :p
What about actual cornering techniques?
I'm used to Rally games where you throw the bastard into the corner sideways... somehow I don't think that'll work here. :)
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Spa Franchorchamps (spelling) is the best track. Thats my favorite besides Monaco then SilverStone then Monza. As far as driving in simulation, Spa is/was my favorite.
Yo norcal racers, you guys know there is a SportsCar race this weekend at Laguna Seca? They also have 250cc Rotax Euro international FIA karts. Thats what my buddy told me. I've never seen those go before.
:)
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I don't know what to tell you, just drive it like you would in reality, it's a simulation, so there aren't any tricks to learn.
Stay smooth, throttle steer and click the apexes. Keep trying to go faster consistently.
The netherlands is a good track for medium speed drifting practice.
A clutch+accelerator+brake setup on independent axii is much worth it.
There are a bunch of addon tracks, really too many to begin listing.
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Well for learning and practice I also think Monza and France are good learning tracks. My 02 cents.
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Yes, Monza is good for basic turn approaches. The last turn (parabolica?) is good practice for both high speed braking and throttle steering timing.
Rouen is pretty slippery at almost all turns for hotlapping, is not as quick to get back on the road as the Netherlands track, the netherland's line is slower most of the time.
Nurburgring is a must if you have the patience, and Monaco is good for low speed traction limit practice.
Canada is also pretty slippery, and Mexico is a bit like Monza, simple turns, but faster, longer and tighter, so the drifting into and out of the apex is less forgiving. The tires (edit:tire guards sticking out of ground) are a pain.
Kyalami is also a slippery track, until you memorize the topology. A simple track but most of the players I know agree it's a weird track.
There's few tracks alike.
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I still keep GPL around for the 'Ring. It's worth the cost of the game just to get that track. :)
It's a pretty good game for 1998 but it shows its age now.
Kratzer I advise you start out in the F2 cars to get to know the tracks. Then once you are confident in the F2 you can spend time in the F1 cars.
The main thing to keep in mind is that these cars are seriously overpowered and have very greasy tires. So you have to be very gentle with the right foot, and you have to learn to drive with much higher slip angles than are possible in formula racing today.
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Played the F1 2002 demo a bunch last night, and finally got it figured out more or less I think. Rally stuff makes me think I need to accellerate through the corners, and set up the car before the turn, but that really doesn't work well with the F1 car. I realized that if I stayed off of the brakes and throttle while turning, I stuck to the road like glue, and then could accellerate OUT of the turn and be hauling bellybutton in no time.
It also helped to screw up 100 times and get to know the track REALLY well. :) I finally won a race!
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Played both F1 2002 and Grand Prix 4.
GP4 is the best F1 racing sim there is, nothing even comes close..soon as i played GP4 i threw F1 2002 in the garbage (really).
GP4 has better graphics, awsome physics and weather modeling, pretty much everything is better then F1 2002. Im simply amazed with GP4. Make sure you have GF3 or GF4 at least.
regards,
FBbirdIO
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Interesting. You are the first person to say that - everyone else says the exact opposite - that GP4 is a pile of trash, and F1 2002 is the best yet...
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GPL, even if its old sas hell, sure rocks.
Brake to the turn, Open the 6 double-barrel Dell'Ortos (or Webers, not sure) by kicking the gas pedal and let the car slide to the lane with better grip.
Works in every 10th time, other 9 times I just find my self spinning around grass... Anyway when it works it sure makes me feel nice :D
BTW I'm using Thrustmaster Force Feedback GT "Ferrari" wheel with shifter; There were no buttons for gears in 1968. After 30 mins my hands are so weak I can't lift them off from the wheel :D
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Hey most of those cars had fuel injection. :)
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They did?
Dam... IMHO carburettors are so much sexier :confused:
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Originally posted by Kratzer
Interesting. You are the first person to say that - everyone else says the exact opposite - that GP4 is a pile of trash, and F1 2002 is the best yet...
really? hehe so far most of the people i spoke to said GP4 was better.. diffrent folks, diffrent views i guess but for me GP4 is king.
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This one in particular:
http://www.simbin.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=20&t=3976
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Originally posted by Staga
They did?
Dam... IMHO carburettors are so much sexier :confused:
Well they had pretty sexy fuel injection with throttle bodies for each cylinder and lots of pumps and fuel lines. I think I've seen all the GPL cars in person except for the BRM with the H-16. They are sexy to me. :)
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hey Birddogg quick question, does GP4 have Multiplayer over Internet like GPL ?
I know GP3 didnt have Multiplayer at all, that why it was no
interest for me, I only race online.
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Ahh .. GPL.
'Tis a siren ..it draws from your skill entirely.
No aero, bias-ply tires, no pit stops, ..*very* overpowered go-carts they were in '67.
It was the most dangerous year to be an F-1 driver.
Just blipping the throttle anywhere will get you in trouble.
So the question you must ask yourself is: ..How 'smooth' can you be?
You can spend days at Monza just learning the Parabolica ..set the drift and control it entirely with throttle as you exit to the straight.. a wonder when it's done right :)
How sharp are you on setting a car up?
Keep the back end straight behind you on hard braking, and twitch it out to set the drift when you want, where you want, and how much you want. You must learn the art of sway bar adjustments to setup a car that matches how you drive.
Spa .. ooh babee .. I love the high speed sweepers there.
The dodge and dart through the esses.. tires squealing all the way at 165-170mph .. topping out at 200mph not once, but several times as you setup the next sweeper.
Throttle control .. man when you get it right and control the traction circle .. that go-cart will really fly :)
-GE
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A couple of tips to learn cornering in GPL.
1. Practice.
2. Slow in, fast out. Rather brake 50 meters to early, than 5 meters too late, as you'll gain more time by learning to accelerate out of a turn, than being good on the brakes.
3. Practice.
4. Forget about Monza. Only noobs and dweebs drives it. A track like Watkins Glen or Rouen will teach you much more about driving.
5. Practice.
6. The Brabham is probably the best car to learn in. In the Lotus and Eagle, you won't as you will just learn to rly on the cars speed to the work for you. Ferrari is also good to learn in, but suffers badly from understeer, leading into snap-oversteer. (It got the best engine sound, though).
7. Practice.
Daff
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My Favourite car in GPL... The Cooper! (Coventry in game) real easy to drive, easy to toss around in corners no real bad habits at all. And it can and will sting the loti and ferrari drivers at the lower speed tracks.
Favourite track(defaults)... tough call Tied between Zandvoort, Mosport, and the Ring I guess.
I played GPL for longer than any other boxed game I have ever owned. Nowadays its finding the time to be able to concentrate for x amount of time uninterrupted thats the problem.
SKurj
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If you are interested in Grand Prix Legends(no finer driving sim exists) and want to join an online GPL League, go here http://www.speedgeezers.com/ and look for G.R.O.W.L in the Forums section. GROWL is a league comprised of WB's, AH, WWIIOL, and IL-2 sim players and are currently in our 6th Season of good, clean, no-flame online racing.
Cabby
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
hey Birddogg quick question, does GP4 have Multiplayer over Internet like GPL ?
I know GP3 didnt have Multiplayer at all, that why it was no
interest for me, I only race online.
yep, it supports mulitplayer over internet
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Actually... according to what I've read, GP4 does NOT support multiplayer on the internet - only on a LAN w/ maybe 2 player over TCP/IP.
F1 2002 has both.
In related news, just read that the MicroProse UK studio that made GP4 has been shut down.
F1 2002 arrived today - I'll post some impressions once I've had a couple of days to play it.
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Dont feel so low if you cant stay on track fellas. 16 laps should pass because after that it gets repetetive. In real F1, the cars run Tuleon (exotic heavy dense five star molecule fuel) and the drivers drink Avion. Oh yeah, and take cold showers every morning.
PS: I crash in GP3 all the time, I suck at it. lol
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Originally posted by Kratzer
Actually... according to what I've read, GP4 does NOT support multiplayer on the internet - only on a LAN w/ maybe 2 player over TCP/IP.
F1 2002 has both.
In related news, just read that the MicroProse UK studio that made GP4 has been shut down.
F1 2002 arrived today - I'll post some impressions once I've had a couple of days to play it.
GP4 does support Multiplayer over TCP/IP. i went into the muliplayer menu myself and only option available was TCP/IP multiplayer support, I did not see LAN option. So i assume that it does support multiplay over TCP/IP, i've never played mulitplayer myself, and i dont know how well it works.
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Yeah, I *think* it is only 2 player internet, but I'm having a hard time finding any information on it, actually, so it could be more.
For some reason reviews don't mention the multiplayer for either of these. I'm trying to trade for a copy of GP4, so if I land one, we'll have to try the multiplayer out and see for ourselves.
Got some time in w/ F1 2002 last night, and I think it is incredible - the 'work in progress' demo seems to have been just that - a work in progress. The full version has better graphics, better performance, more detailed tracks... the sense of speed is terrific!
I spent a couple of hours at Monza last night, which was fun because I watched a replay of the Grand Prix of Italy at Monza on Speed TV sunday, and the first chicane IS a brutal sonovasqueak (there's no way you could take it at 71mph, as the graphic at FIA indicates).
VERY fun!
GPL should be here in a day or two (along w/ my new wheel, which didn't arrive yesterday as expected :(), so I'll practice up and then you guys can show me a thing or two!
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Just found this on GP4:
MultiPlayer Gameplay
Several modes exist:
LAN - connection for up to 8 players (PC only)
Hotseat mode - the users take turns to drive the same car around the track.
Split screen - Up to 4 players can play in the brand new split screen mode. (Xbox only). Up to 2 players can play split screen PC or Xbox.
Modem-modem - Allows to players to connect via a direct modem connection (PC only)
Serial link - Allows 2 players to connect via a serial link connection (PC only)
Dunno... maybe the TCP/IP is for a modem-modem connection?