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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: AKSeaWulfe on March 18, 2001, 04:40:00 PM
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Okay.. so I'm in the MA in a C205... I dive down (chasing an F4U) onto two P51s. One is Dingy, and I don't remember who the other one was. I see a friendly down there.. but he's already been shot down. I blew the one P51D outta the sky, then pursue a P51B(Dingy). After a long series of him running and then coming back to me then running away again, I finally get a fleeting shot on him. One 20mm strikes home, hits his rudder and he runs. Then I rope a dope a P47 and shoot him down. He gets my radiator, I go home and land.
On the runway, I message on the public channel to Dingy asking him what I shot off. He answers, then I reply "Cool :-) Good fight" or maybe it was "fun fight". He replies "Whatever", then I ask "What do you mean?" He goes off "Nothing cool about getting jumped from alt." I say something along the lines of "Yeah.. you had a P51D, P47 and a F4U.. I had alt" "Dick". I get warned to "use disgression". So I type "Yeah I'll use disgression." Then I continue with Dingy, not ONCE using any vulgarity after my initial warning. Mav13 was there to witness the entire thing. Then guess what? I get muted for 10 minutes. I log out.. log back in and say "Thanks whoever muted me.. I didn't even curse" Guess what? I get muted again.
I got one word for this... *roadkill*. Yes, I'm on a trainer account, however I recently got a new job and *might* be paying at the end of this week.....
The might depends on one thing... are you going to continue to allow this? If you are, I'm walking. I don't need to have my communications revoked when I didn't even instigate anything, nor did I curse after I was warned.
I will curse however here though: That was truly diddlyed up.
-SW
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btw, I might mention that when you put up that screen that says "Please use Disgression".. it's spelled DISCRETION!!!!!
-SW
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Yup...it's B.S. Only HTC should be muteing. I've seen to many ego's get way out of hand in MANY other online games, that's what happens when players are allowed "manager" positions.
SwampRat
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WAAAAAAAAA!
If you had kept your mouth shut in the first place, you wouldnt have been posting this.
I think its lacking disgression posting this in an open forum. What it comes down to is that I <S> pilots who fought well and who I have respect for. You didnt come close to ranking up there in either one of those and felt obliged to start hurling insults my way.
Posts like these dont impress many (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Ding
[This message has been edited by Dingy (edited 03-18-2001).]
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I dont get it, you mean any player can mute whoever they chose? That dont sound right. Did someone from htc mute you? IF so I find it hard to believe they would do so without good reason. Does the system actuall know when someone is is being a dick? "not saying you were just asking" I dont get it
If your saying he squelched you then so what? Ive squelched, been squelched..big deal
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Originally posted by rosco-:
I dont get it, you mean any player can mute whoever they chose? That dont sound right. Did someone from htc mute you? IF so I find it hard to believe they would do so without good reason. Does the system actuall know when someone is is being a dick? "not saying you were just asking" I dont get it
If your saying he squelched you then so what? Ive squelched, been squelched..big deal
Neg Rosco, there are certain players who have been selected by HTC to tone down some of our antics on public channel #1. Wulfe just happened to exceed whatever measuring stick they have set and to tell ya the truth, Im glad he got muted.
He pissed the hell outa me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif).
-Ding
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shut up maggots, MUTE ALL n1ks! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Seawulfe, you do know that's a built in feature don't you? Cuss twice, you mute yourslef. Is that what happened?
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No I was MUTED Rosco... complete and utter roadkill. I didn't say anything out of line except calling a dickhead (Dingy), a dick. After I was warned, I didn't say anything vulgar. Then I was muted.
If this game is going to resort to allowing dumb bellybutton community members with ego problems to mute someone for saluting them, then inquiring as to why they were given a poor response to a compliment.
We are on the same page Dingy, I think you are a loser so don't bother trying to reply to me.... oh hey on the "WAAAA" part... weren't YOU the one crying after I gave you a salute? You sorry bellybutton excuse for a man.
-SW
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Originally posted by hblair:
Seawulfe, you do know that's a built in feature don't you? Cuss twice, you mute yourslef. Is that what happened?
Nope. I was given a warning "Type with disgression", whatever disgression means... it's not a word, about 3 minutes after I typed dick. Then shortly afterwards I was muted for arguing, without any profanity or vulgar use of terms.
-SW
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Yeah, he's right - "disgression" isn't even a word!
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Originally posted by AKSeaWulfe:
No I was MUTED Rosco... complete and utter roadkill. I didn't say anything out of line except calling a dickhead (Dingy), a dick. After I was warned, I didn't say anything vulgar. Then I was muted.
If this game is going to resort to allowing dumb bellybutton community members with ego problems to mute someone for saluting them, then inquiring as to why they were given a poor response to a compliment.
We are on the same page Dingy, I think you are a loser so don't bother trying to reply to me.... oh hey on the "WAAAA" part... weren't YOU the one crying after I gave you a salute? You sorry bellybutton excuse for a man.
-SW
ROFL!
As much as you would like to think it was I who muted you, sadly it is not a responsibility that HTC has provided me with. Prolly with good reason. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I would take quite a bit of enjoyment from watching the likes of Wulfie get pissed off as I play with that feature just for the heck of it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And Wulfie...as for me crying, lemme set you straight since you seem to be getting confused here. I wasnt the one posting about how its so wrong that I got muted. As a matter of fact, I didnt say a thing until you pressed the issue. This whole situation began when your ego got bruised when somone didnt agree with you. Not mine.
Funny how its me whos a "sorry excuse for a man" when its Wulfie taking this to the public boards and yet resorts to namecalling once again.
Now....wheres that MUTE button for the boards hiding. I wanna try it out on Wulfie again and see him squeak when he cant reply to any more posts for 10 minutes! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
-Ding
[This message has been edited by Dingy (edited 03-18-2001).]
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You are disillusioned Dingy. I wanted to know what the whatever was for. When you said I came in with alt and gangbanged you, I replied about how your numbers were greater than me. 3:1 isn't exactly a gangbang when I am the 1. I was giving you the facts of the situation. I didn't say you had to agree with me, I sent you a compliment and what I got back was just a whiney remark. It wasn't my ego that got bruised, I was inquiring as to why you couldn't just accept the compliment and be done with it rather than give me "Whatever" and then "you came in with alt". I don't need your respect, I don't need your compliments, but isn't it the decent thing to do if someone compliments you to acknowledge it? I guess in your mind you'd rather fling insults. The fact of the matter is, I still got muted for no reason. You were carrying on just as much as I was, but *I* was muted. I never said or implied you muted me, a customer did and I don't think it was just.
Anyways... this post wasn't about YOU Dingy... I was giving the background for the situation and why I think giving the customers god mode powers is roadkill, and this clearly proves it. If HTC leaves it the way they have it... fine I'm gone and you don't have to deal with me.
-SW
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I'll use SW's own logic here:
If you're leaving anyway SW, then why are you bothering to post here about it? Does it mean that much to you?
J_A_B
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I didn't even know about this mute power. Does that mean that when some puckfuddle is mouthing off racist remarks on channel 1, and NOT being muted, that this behavior is approved of?
-DoK (... the Devil's Advocate ... and then some)
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Originally posted by J_A_B:
I'll use SW's own logic here:
If you're leaving anyway SW, then why are you bothering to post here about it? Does it mean that much to you?
I would re-iterate what I stated above, but I feel it would be lost on your lack of comprehension.
-SW
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A kinder, gentler Aces High... sigh.
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cheers,
sand
screamin blue messiahs (http://www.screaminbluemessiahs.org)
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Originally posted by AKSeaWulfe:
You are disillusioned Dingy. I wanted to know what the whatever was for. When you said I came in with alt and gangbanged you, I replied about how your numbers were greater than me. 3:1 isn't exactly a gangbang when I am the 1. I was giving you the facts of the situation. I didn't say you had to agree with me, I sent you a compliment and what I got back was just a whiney remark. It wasn't my ego that got bruised, I was inquiring as to why you couldn't just accept the compliment and be done with it rather than give me "Whatever" and then "you came in with alt". I don't need your respect, I don't need your compliments, but isn't it the decent thing to do if someone compliments you to acknowledge it? I guess in your mind you'd rather fling insults. The fact of the matter is, I still got muted for no reason. You were carrying on just as much as I was, but *I* was muted. I never said or implied you muted me, a customer did and I don't think it was just.
Anyways... this post wasn't about YOU Dingy... I was giving the background for the situation and why I think giving the customers god mode powers is roadkill, and this clearly proves it. If HTC leaves it the way they have it... fine I'm gone and you don't have to deal with me.
-SW
LOL!
Wulfie, wulfie...you know just as well as I do that this post IS about me otherwise you would have filled in the background without using my CPID. The fact that you got muted in addition to having your compliment tossed back just bruised your ego.
In response to your compliment, never once did I say you gangbanged me. You had alt, you made some passes on me and pinged me, I lost rudder and went back home. What pisses you off most is that I just didnt acknowledge your compliment.
Now I have no idea where I have been slinging insults in your direction. The only thing pissing you off here is that you arent getting the respect you feel you deserve from myself or anyone in the arena and your posts both in this thread and elsewhere suggest that. My only suggestion is relax and take a chill pill (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Other than that, have a nice day! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-DIng
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\/\/hatever... I really hate it when people tell me what my point is, when I know full well what I am trying to get across.
Since you know what I am thinking before I do... you already know I will have quit, so no point in saying it.
Good luck HTC, you're gonna need it giving people godmode powers.
-SW
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BUHBYE Wulfie!
Cant say I will miss you but Im sure some of your squaddies might. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-DIng
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Do the HTC appointed censors get free accounts?
Is there one on 24/7?
Do they fly or just police our language?
Are they multilingual in case someone from France or Japan or Mississippi get out of line?
Are they divinity students?
It is a bit sad that all that PC roadkill, protect us from foul language and people we may not agree with is imposed on us and actually welcomed by some.
The existence in AH of language and attitude police is a bit big brotherish but until IL2 gets here and actually works....
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
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Former FA , zone pilots know how this works .
Never had to put up with this behavior , at least over and over agian like it been lately .
<S> HTC , about time too IMO . I have to .squelch 1 almost each and every time I fly .
OK I edited this to add :
Hey my Mother taught me long ago how to get along with others , this might help you or others reading this thread .
"If you can't say anything nice , don't say anything at all"
Works just fine IMO too .
Goodbye SW
cheers ,
spro
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air_rules = Play fair ....Don't worry about points......Keep a sense of humor......Drink Jim Beam......and don't let the fediddlein cat walk on the keyboard.......!!!
(http://www.e-webgate.com/air/NonCGI/uploads/airspro/airspro.bmp)
[This message has been edited by airspro (edited 03-18-2001).]
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Well I'm with Red on this one. If some amazinhunk I don't even know and is not associated with or work for HTC mutes me then I doubt I would spend my money here either. I don't get out of line much but occasionally something pisses me off and I go off. If some unknown suckass starts muting me my account and I will be flying for BrandX. I dont like this idea at all and this is the first I ever heard of it and it pisses me off.
LLB OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[This message has been edited by llbm_MOL (edited 03-18-2001).]
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"I would re-iterate what I stated above, but I feel it would be lost on your lack of comprehension"
--SW
I comprehend quite well the irony in this situation.
The very person who chided me for mentioning something I didn't like about AH because I wasn't planning staying, is himself complaining about something he doesn't like--even though he said he is most likely leaving.
And you couldn't even be civil in the matter.
Either way, we're even now and I harbor no ill-will towards you. I believe in trading a jab for a jab, but no more. I hope you have a good time in whatever game you end up playing.
J_A_B
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Anybody else feel like they just endured an apisode of Springer?
I learned loooong ago that I aint gonna make the other guy see my way in an online "fight", so just let the other be the moron, and just type in a smiley. It'll burn him up, you'll come away looking golden, and he can make a dork out of himself.
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SeaWulfe, do you have any proof that a customer of HTC muted you? When you got the "Use disgression" msg in your text buffer, whom was it from? I'm not aware of anyone with these type of powers in the MA besides the HTC folks, and the CM's only have that authority in the SEA. I think Hblair may be correct. You sure you didn't accidently say "dick" twice?
This is quickly turning into a witch hunt.
DoKtor GonZo said: Does that mean that when some puckfuddle is mouthing off racist remarks on channel 1, and NOT being muted, that this behavior is approved of?
DoK, there is some kind of profanity/bad word filter in place in the MA. It warns you after your first time, then will mute you for a certain amount of time if you say the bad word again. If you want to know which words are on the filter list, call HTC and ask them. I'm not sure which racial slurs it catches.
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Hey banana (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I've muted myself quit a few times. I can only hope that these god powers are not handed out to regular players. If they are I will be highly dissapointed in HTC. After seeing your post I think Red just screwed up and typed two profane words. At least I HOPE so. We dont need players with god powers as long as there is a .squelch command. If Dingy didnt wanna hear what Red had to say all he has to do is type. Same for anybody else that found his type profane.
LLB OUT!!!!!!!!!!
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I sent this to banana.. but before I get mistaken as being incompetent as to understanding software... here's the email I sent him:
Positive it wasn't the software and positive it wasn't my language. After my inital warning I never said anything vulgar.
Here's a test you can do, say "sh*t" in the text buffer. You get warned, and the communication is NOT sent out. Other words that are not blocked by the vulgarity filter, dick and jesus christ are two I know of, will go through the communications channels and be broadcasted. The vulgarity filter is on the user's end, this prevents the server from checking everyone's text buffer. This in turn means someone is actually muting me. Before Nimitz said Jesus Christ on channel 1 and he got a warning.. about 2 minutes after he said it. He said it again and was muted shortly after saying it. I said it, and got a warning. Then we got a bunch of people to say it. Only I was warned, never muted and I said it maybe 3 or 4 times to test it. The other people never got a warning. When I said "dick" today, the warning came a while after I said the word and then I was muted for continuing to argue without any profanity.
It's definitely a person and it's more than likely a community member as I've heard this way of policing channel 1 mentioned before.
I have no intention of posting this on the HTC UBB, I am no longer a participant of the game but I am going to check that thread to ensure no one makes the mistake of thinking it's a software check.
I stated on the open channel "Thank.. whoever muted me" after I logged off and logged back in to avoid the 10 minute mute. When I typed this I was instantly muted again.
You all enjoy your freedom of speech now, ya hear!
-SW
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<shrug>
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banana, don't believe me.. check out Ripsnort's post 9 down from the start.... http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/008185.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/008185.html)
-SW
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I've figured it out... It was just a simple misunderstanding, a misread by the filter.
Look closely:
"I stated on the open channel "Thank.. whoever muted me" after I logged off and logged back in to avoid the 10 minute mute. When I typed this I was instantly muted again.
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SeaWulfe, it's not that I don't believe you, it's just that I've never heard of any HTC-sponsored language police in the MA before. That's why I put the <shrug> in. I don't know what to think.
[This message has been edited by banana (edited 03-18-2001).]
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Sysops are a good idea...I've seen them in several games and I agree with their concept.
If they feel your being unruly somehow and mute you, 99.9% of the time you deserved it..oh well (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Wingnut
Luftjagerkorps
(http://pages.prodigy.net/armis1/.wi_kag_banner3.gif)
The quality of the box matters little. Success depends upon the man who sits in it - Baron Manfred von Richthofen
[This message has been edited by Wingnut_0 (edited 03-18-2001).]
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Wow this is really messed up. First of all I was there for the whole thing so i saw what went down. order of events:
-Wulfe kicks some bellybutton in his 205 and pisses people off cause they suck.
-Wulfe asks who the pony was that he shot and what fell off the plane.
-Dingy says rudder
-Wulfe <S>'s and says good fight
-Dingy responds with "whatever"
Ok i dont know dingy and have flown with him very little so i have no room to make a comment. even though he was acting like a dick, this was not the point of the first post made here. what happens next is the only thing that matters.
-Wulfe and Dingy along with a few others get into a little tiff over ch 1.
-Wulfe says "dick", then gets warned.
-Wulfe says NOTHING else bad and gets shut down.
THIS is where the problem is. some amazinhunk has the power to mute people not only from ch1 but from all channels, even squad channels, when ever they feel is diddlyed up. I understand the auto mute thing, i'm fine with that. but to give someone the power to mute another $30/month player with no reason is stupid.
HTC: IF you must have this function cause you think for some reason people who pay all this money to play a computer game arn't mature enough to regulate what they type or read THEN please spend a little more time to pick mature and non biased people to perform this job and stop f$%#ing with peoples money! Picking some banana that just sets behind a keyboard and mutes people he doesnt like is lame.
Akhog <a full paying player>
[This message has been edited by hogfarmr (edited 03-18-2001).]
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I think its a good idea, but not if it is implemented like folks are saying. There needs to be some designation to identify these people. Having power and being anonymous is a lot different than knowing that you will be accountable for what you do.
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Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps (http://www.luftjagerrkorps.com)
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Simple solution to this problem... anything the person that just died says on chanel one is filtered to "<S>" for 2 minutes.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by hogfarmr:
IF you must have this function cause you think for some reason people who pay all this money to play a computer game arn't mature enough to regulate what they type or read THEN please spend a little more time to pick mature and non biased people to perform this job and stop f$%#ing with peoples money! Picking some banana that just sets behind a keyboard and mutes people he doesnt like is lame.
Akhog <a full paying player>
Yes, to heck with the other 150 people in the arena who get tired of hearing childish girl-fights on channel one, their money's not that important! Blowhard Bill pays 30 bucks a month so you better let him spew all he wants!
(not referring to this particular deal, but see the other side of the arguement?)
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And you do know that HT was in the arena today....right about the time of your accident (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
quit acting like a 10 year old and you won't have a problem wulfie.
Sorry, you can't expect everyone to share your chivalery (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF
Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998
Northolt Wing Headquarters (http://www.raf303.org/northolt/)
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Personally, I have experienced exactly what AKSwulfe experienced, and it pissed me off to no end.
I was flying one night, and said "Jesus Christ" on channel 1. I got a message, something along the lines of "Improper language, you have been warned." I did *not* get the message about cussing, "Continued use of profanity ..."
Being pissed because I dont like being censored, I said "Jesus Christ" again on open comms, and I got muted for 10 minutes! EVEN WORSE! I quit, and came back on, and said "Why the hell did I get muted?" MUTED AGAIN! Someone that has this power is abusing it and this situation MUST be dealt with.
AKNimitz
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Simple solution to this problem... anything the person that just died says on chanel one is filtered to "<S>" for 2 minutes.
AKDejaVu
I'd also add that to the victor as well.
Cobra
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Originally posted by fd ski:
And you do know that HT was in the arena today....right about the time of your accident (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
quit acting like a 10 year old and you won't have a problem wulfie.
If it was HT.. even more reason for me to give up, turn the other way and just walk off. He muted me, but what about the other side? No, instead he muted just me only after 1 "profane" word. What about the other side? That pisses me off even more.
-SW
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lol - (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
that is some funny stuff - i have had bad experiences with dingy too - he has trouble controlling his emotions - kinda like my wife and other women i know-
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Originally posted by hogfarmr:
Wow this is really messed up. First of all I was there for the whole thing so i saw what went down. order of events:
-Wulfe kicks some bellybutton in his 205 and pisses people off cause they suck.
Sorry , I was there also and i have to set the record straight..
I was the Jug wulfe shot down,, I was on my way back to our field low and slow and happened to cross the path of this fight. There wasn't much i could do but i tried to take a shot, Wulfie roped me, i hit him but he killed me. I was hardly "pissed off", and I don't suck.
NUTTZ
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Play nice or it's time out.
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Originally posted by mrfish:
lol - (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
that is some funny stuff - i have had bad experiences with dingy too - he has trouble controlling his emotions - kinda like my wife and other women i know-
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
What a constructive post Fish. You have something to say about the muting issue the Wulf brought up, then post it. Bringing me into this again serves no purpose.
-Ding
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Originally posted by NUTTZ:
Sorry , I was there also and i have to set the record straight..
I was the Jug wulfe shot down,, I was on my way back to our field low and slow and happened to cross the path of this fight. There wasn't much i could do but i tried to take a shot, Wulfie roped me, i hit him but he killed me. I was hardly "pissed off", and I don't suck.
NUTTZ
You were Rash?
I had no part in what Hog wrote, he did that on his own behalf. I only said on squad comms I rope-a-doped you, but you hit my rad so I RTBed.
If it means anything, I don't think you suck... I think you're very good.
-SW
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I understand the reasons behind the profanity filter -- I don't agree with them, but what the heck. I would much rather have a profanity filter than lose guys who would reluctantly quit Aces High because their young son likes to watch them fly.
In this instance, we clearly have intervention by a human who elected to shut down a conversation. I could live with this if the human chose to mute both parties (SeaWulfe and Dingy.) As several of you noted, channel 1 comms get a bit crazy sometimes.
However, selectively muting one party (not both guys) really sucks. Someone at HTC owes SeaWulfe an immediate apology for not muting both participants in the disagreement.
You guys may not think this is a big deal, but I assure you it's a big deal to the AKs and SeaWulfe. I'm going to fly with my buds, whether it's in Aces High or somewhere else.
AKcurly, AK/CO.
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Hey all,
As wulfie said I was there today and "heard" the exchange. The closest thing that wulfie said to anything derogatory or profanity was "dick". That was after Dingy reacted poorly to a compliment.
I tried to make a funny about it and said he should keep it formal and call Dingy a "richard".
I also told Dingy that the proper response to a compliment was "thanks".
As far as I am concerned the only one with a display of attitude was Dingy. I didn't see anything in Wulfes <S> that deserved the response Dingy gave him. Very poor form.
As to the muting, it was uncalled for and is definitely an abuse of the ability to mute whoever did it including if it was HT. I didn't see HT's callsign so I have no idea if he was there.
Seawulf, if you ever give me a <S> I won't pull the childish response you got from Dingy.
Later Dingy called me over the country chanel after I made a couple of funnies not directed at Dingy and tried to tell what I should or should not take seriously. After seeing the way he had behaved to wulf I just ignored him. It was all his whining deserved.
Dingy, I didn't know you from Adam until this afternoon but I sure hope you don't represent the rest of Rookland.
Mav
PS I am not affiliated with the AK's or the training section. I am just a playing paying customer of AH (and a member of the 13th TAS). I have no idea what squad if any Dingy is with.
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puckfuddle
LOL! I love that word!
I never knew this existed..but now some things that have happened are starting to make some sense...2 days ago I was taking off in an arado to go somewhere and I asked on team channel "what is alt of cons at A-XX" i get no reply (as usual) so about a min later I ask again..still nothing..im nearing target and seeing some high dots but cannot tell if they are friendly or not9there were several firendlies in the grid). So finally i type in a ll caps "WHAT IS THE ALT OF THE CONS AT A-XX!!!? PLEASE!!!"
I get a warning...so yea like thats great..ask for info and get a warning...any who i keep heading to target...im in bombsight view..just as field is coming up i get "CHECK 6" CRAP! I think i look up and there are 2 190s above me and diving FAST, i dump bombs (hitting nothing) and fire my ratos and just get away. On the way home i type "thanks for the stellar intel on A-xx"
about 2 seconds later i get muted for 10 min, i logged for the night reconsidering my account.
I would just like to tell whoever was being the amazinhunk great job diddlyING
up a totally fun game with Your roadkill
Mute that you salamander BASTARD
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Nuttz's new identity is known!
:-)
As for this issue.............
bah. Not worth it.
Time to go be a dweeb and kill some chutes.
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Wasn't there, didn't hear it, not commenting on it...
I've got a pretty salty tongue, myself, but after hearing a twelve year old on RW one night I have tried to keep RW clean, anyway. I usually tune 1 and 6 out (squelch), unless it is late and there are few users on. The channel 1 buffer is often dull chatter, sometimes insulting, but it can be entertaining.
This game (as any FPS or combat sim) can invoke an emotional roller coaster affect if left unchecked. Just tune this crap out, SW. It isn't worth taking the AK's out of AH. If, you need to save face, throw a blanket party for someone you love! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Why don't you two go duel it out first? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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13th TAS
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You get muted for saying Jesus Christ?
Hm, my campaign together with my master might be working.
Would be nice to know who in the community have muting powers - sort of like the @ before a nick on irc.
There are some abrasive personalities, and there are disagreements between players. Giving one side muting powers without letting the other know seems a bit unfair.
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"You filthy piece of distended rectum! DIE allierte schweinhund!"
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banana,
What I'm getting at isn't going to be picked up by a filter. I've heard on several occasions where people have been telling racial jokes and making derogitory remarks about various ethnic groups and/or religions.
I would pose the question of why these remarks are acceptable, but certain words from a list (reminds me of a George Carlin joke, eh?) are not.
Of course, this will all spiral into a quagmire because very often the most self-righteous people who speak out against "bad language" are also the most intollerant of anyone not of their genetic origin.
So they get their way at everyone else's expense.
Let's just nuke the planet from space. It's the only way to be sure.
-DoK
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Not saying anything about Wulfie and Dingy, IMO 2 sillies ranting on the playground. But the idea of having someone to mute players who get out of line is good. Few care to hear players mouth off with vulgar and racial speach, but this also can apply to players arguing to the point where others get sick of hearing it. Other games have such a thing... a filter only goes so far. Example: you can't filter "dick" since it's a name.
But people entrusted with this power have to be well chosen, informed of what type of language to respond to, and required to fill out a report on all actions. If a player complains, HTC can check the report and, if the player is found to have been treated unfairly, the muter can be held responsible.
For those who understandably do not like this type of thing, that's tough. You'll find similar setups everywhere. The point is that the game is the property of the business offering it, and this business has the right to take steps to keep the game less than anrchy. It's understandable that players curse with the high emotion of this game, but it takes an effort to type a curse rather than say it, so players can be expected to use some restraint.
grizzly
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Hiyas DoK =o)
grizzly
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wow,what a great thread, i better post quick before it gets locked. I have been muted before without deserving it(IMO) by htc staff, and i have muted myself and deserved it.
But having some tard on a ego trip dealing out mutes not based on any set criteria is fudged, especially when it is only handed out to one side.
i wouldnt have a problem with this system (as was said above) as long as it wasnt done annonymousely. Just insert ...by <callsign> after "you have been muted." That way you can go over said chicken dick's head if you feel you have been treated unfairly.
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The rise of the TOScop.
Sad. I always thought that one of HTC's brighter points was they learnt from other games' mistakes, not repeated them.
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Hmm, kinda disturbing really...I was there for the whole thing as well. I have flown against and with both Dingy and SW. I think alot of both of them, but they can work out their problem amongst themselves; I am sure of that...I am not sure about how and why SW was muted, and whether or not having someone anonymous with that power is a good thing. I think that he was muted without cause...but that is my opinion, and we all have at least one... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cyas Up,
trm
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This goes again into this "It's not me who caused it"...
What are you all going to do? blame your goverment for this incident?
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I know only 2 guys out of HTC I would have no problem with having this power because they would never have an ego problem. I know dozens of so-called good AH members that would use to their own advantage because they have a personal agenda and a BIG ego.
Personally I think that only HTC should have this power. SW is right, this is a VERY poor implementation in AH.
Kinda reminds me the times when I was 10, on the school, when the Teacher left his "favorite" boy as "guard" of the class.
Anything that was said that the "guard" boy didnt like (Regardless if it was good or bad for the class) was an immediate motive to "report" to the teacher the bad behavior of the one who said it.
And the "guard" used this advantage to take revenge of some personal problems against someone else in the class. With this power in AH we will see a very similar problem.
This only leads to hate.
IMNSHO
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Well if the mysterious muter used the words "use disgression" you gotta figure it was HT who sent the message.
After all, how many other guys in the arena spell like that? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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LoL Jeckyl, I was thinking the same thing. The mans a genious,but can't spell worth a dam. Maybe he's trying out a new feature. Possibly having sysops monitor channel 1 and muting juvenile behaviour.Doesn't matter to me.I usually squelch 1 anyway. Personally I prefer it wide open with no holds barred. Its a War Game, be mean, be nasty, get mad, kill something, or blow something up,but never,Ever, say dick (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Absolutely pathetic!!!!
You're muting people for using the word 'dick'? I saw BKNute utter the following:
"Let's have trains of jews in AH..." or something to that effect.
When I complained I was told that it was not offensive.
What the hell is all that about?
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Some simple thoughts:
- this type of deputisation has killed other online games (I've thought about playing some non-Sims only to hear that sysops rule)
- the text buffer only occupies a small amount of screen real-estate
- certain channels are now squelchable
- the player can squelch individuals quite easily
It seems to me that players have a wealth of choices when it comes to ignoring/squelching the roadkill that goes on on ch#1 (and which I take great joy in contributing too).
There are a few examples in this discussion of unusual muting, HT I think you need to clarify what the policy is exactly when it comes to 'deputies' of HTC prowling Ch #1. IE is it true? I make no judgements on the right or wrong of it - $$$ will sort that out in the long run if it works or not.
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I would like to have some official comment from Htc. people. I do not like censorship. OTOH, I have to retract about my opinion about automatic filtering cusswords. I think that the balance is positive, on the long run. Different animal is if particular people have muting powers. If that is the case, I would like to know who, and what is the general criteria. I can understand Htc. has every single power within this game environment, but It's a hard pill to swallow that a person, not a Htc. employee, has powers over me, especially when It's an anonymous person, with unknown criteria, and that I am unable to report if I feel mistreated.
Given the precedents, I have no doubt Htc. will have something to say about this, and will do.
Cheers,
Pepe
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Originally posted by TheWobble:
LOL! I love that word!
I never knew this existed..but now some things that have happened are starting to make some sense...2 days ago I was taking off in an arado to go somewhere and I asked on team channel "what is alt of cons at A-XX" i get no reply (as usual) so about a min later I ask again..still nothing..im nearing target and seeing some high dots but cannot tell if they are friendly or not9there were several firendlies in the grid). So finally i type in a ll caps "WHAT IS THE ALT OF THE CONS AT A-XX!!!? PLEASE!!!"
I get a warning...so yea like thats great..ask for info and get a warning...any who i keep heading to target...im in bombsight view..just as field is coming up i get "CHECK 6" CRAP! I think i look up and there are 2 190s above me and diving FAST, i dump bombs (hitting nothing) and fire my ratos and just get away. On the way home i type "thanks for the stellar intel on A-xx"
about 2 seconds later i get muted for 10 min, i logged for the night reconsidering my account.
I would just like to tell whoever was being the amazinhunk great job diddlyING
up a totally fun game with Your roadkill
Mute that you salamander BASTARD
If that's exactly what you said, and you weren't cussing them out about the lack of info on the target area, that's a clear abuse of sysop powers.
These may be a couple examples of a new sysop being a tad overzealous in wanting to show they can do a job. I've been an IRCop for going on 4 years now. Every so often we'll get a new op who "overdoes it" wanting to show we were right to trust him with the position. Usually a gentle talking to straightens them out.
Maybe the idea of the 'Muters' having to fill out incident reports has some merit. With any power there must be some accountability. I've been called out many times because a user complained to the admins thinking I was too harsh with a kline/kill. The admin comes to me, I hand over my logs of the incident along with personal commentary, and he decides. I've not been overturned in one of these yet <knocks on wood>.
Sounds like some checks and balance are missing from this. Anonymous power will be abused.
And probably the hardest part about this kind of position is separating personal opinion from the offical "what's acceptable" list. Let's use the bit someone posted above about 'trains of jews' as an example. There's nothing in the official list about this, nor guidelines about the context it was used in. Now let's add 2 "muters" to this example, one is jewish and one isn't. The non-jew thinks it might be in bad taste, but not warranting his intervention. The jew decides that is exactly the kind of thing HTC has granted him powers for and promptly mutes the person w/o any thought on the matter. Was that personal opinion or official opinion that brought about that player being muted? And since the "muters" are anonymous there's no balance to the system to catch those who abuse thier power.
I'da thought they'd [HTC] have posted something in the news board that they were going to create 'language police' just so we all would have a heads up ::shrug::
As to being muted again upon reentering the arena: That may be something tracked by the server. It knows you're muted and you have xxx seconds left until you are unmuted. You log off and the server looses track of you (obviously). Log back in, say something on the readio, and the server picks you back up and makes you finish your muted period.
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I really can't see how a comment about "trains of jews" can be deemed acceptable by anyone, Jewish or not. Especially considering this game is a WW2 based arena and a conscious effort has been made to distance the ideology and therefore the actions of the Nazi regime (i.e. the removal of sawastika from most Axis planes) from the gameplay.
Surely if we are going to have people with the powers to reprimand players for their behaviour, this is the exactly the sort of thing they should be targeting?
Not just some infantile name-calling tantrum involving a word that would pass any TV censor (at least in this country).
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secret moral police?
just got to love this idea. censorship with the most nobal of purposes is always perverted. but htc dosent give a good godambed what we think. we are sheep to be herded . when another compeditive sim comes out look at this roadkill to evaporate.
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Jesus, this is one of the most pathetic topics I've seen here to date. A few "sumbuddies" obviously need noon time naps before going back out to play.
You KNOW you have one sad sack of a discussion going when it attracts -Eeyore- to comment. <tries to tack towd's tail back on>
-Westy
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censorship seems to allways degenerate into this sillieness. good thing "balls" isn't a muteable offense like "dick" eh dingy?
Not sure how this works but when dingy went off on me I used the word "suck" and he used the word "balls" apparently they are ok but wulfie can't use "dick"?
We need a list.
lazs
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The way I see it we are all playing in HT`s house. If he does not want people running around swearing, and cussing up a storm then by all means he has the right to do whatever it takes to stop it.
Censorship? Don`t you think you use that word rather loosely? You have the right to call others names? To walk in their house and use profanity? I think not.
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LOL...GOTTA LOVE IT!
ONLY HT would misspell disgression...LMAO!
I have been on line and had him do the same to me for using toejame...then I reply...Sure HT, whatever you say, and he pops up another window with a smiley :) .
BTW, if I remember (I saw the Dingy-SeaWulfe verbal exchange) HT was on around that time talking about his ski trip.
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I'll make 2 comments:
1) I think User end mute is a good idea if only used for the purpose of muting racist remarks regarding ones color, country origin, yadda yadda yadda... since HTC employees cannot be online 24/7. If there is one thing I think we can all agree on, is that there is no room in this sim or any other for racial remarks. (God, I hope thats the case).
2) Regarding quitting over an incident like this...put your hand in a 55 gallon drum of water, now, pull it out...see any significant drop in the level of water? Nope. By a dozen people quitting over such a thing as described by Wulfie, there are a dozen more that just signed up.
Mute power for bad language...no...mute power for racial remarks...YES!
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Air_reapr, regarding your "We are all playing in HT's House" comment ... we are also all paying to play in HT's house. Were we not, the situation would be quite different. But because we are, and because HTC does not exist without us, I think this matter must be taken seriously.
For the record, I really dont care what is censored. I dont like it, but censor dick, jesus christ, censor bickering, I dont care - JUST DO IT ACROSS THE BOARD! Singling out people for their acts when not done uniformly is BS.
Ripsnort, regarding your 55-gallon hypothetical, that is just, well, unfortunate. We are paying customers. A *real* business does not want to lose a single customer, and aims to at least try to please everyone. Because that is not realistic, you at least try to not piss anyone off. Running a business is not about, "oh well, if 10 leave, I bet we get 10 more" when something could be done to prevent the 10 from leaving! I understand where you are coming from, and its true, I just think it is also very unprofessional.
I fully support and stand by AKSwulfe on this issue. Not because he is my squad mate, but because he is right.
AKNimitz/XO Arabian Knights
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Fact is you called someone a Dick for sayin' "whatever". You broke the rules, you got muted, deal with it. There's no rule about everybody havin' to be ur friend in the arena but there is a rule about callin someone a vulgarity. People get frustrated when they get pieces shot off of their plane, what did you expect anyway, a pat on the back. It doesnt sound like it was much of a fite.
I'm suprised ur squad allows that kind of behavior. If I was an AK, I'd be upset about being associated with that sorta crap.
CRASH
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Man if there is someone with that power in the MA I sure havent seen much evidence of it.
I dont know that I mind the idea. It would help me shut up from time to time. I dont like the idea of it being anonymous.
HT obviosly does not want us to know who these cops are But they should have to answer for each mute to someone.
Even if just a number was shown to the muted player that HT could use to id the muter if there was a problem.
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Hey Crash, does "AKWABBIT YOU CHEATING diddly" ring a bell?
Not suprising you'd take the side of a childish sore loser. At least Dingbat didn't accuse Wulfie of being a cheater when he got his bellybutton wasted eh?
Wulfie I think this was your fault for two reasons:
1. Dingy is nothing but a piece of human excrement. You should know that by now. He doesn't even come close to deserving a salute for any reason. Just gut shoot him and move onto your next victim.
2. If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times..NEVER EVER EVER EVER unsquelch chan 1. Period. There's no intelligent life down there. Don't waste your time.
Regards,
Wab
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2. If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times..NEVER EVER EVER EVER unsquelch chan 1. Period. There's no intelligent life down there. Don't waste your time.
There are exceptions, sir.
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For the record, being the one who was insulted by Wulf, I could appreciate the 3rd party muting of my insulter as it did prevent the situation from getting even more out of control. I only responded to his questions. After he was muted, nothing more was exchanged. As most of you know, I probably enjoy a heated exchange as much as the next guy and wont back down. If muting can defuse a situation before it REALLY gets out of hand, great. Should I have been muted? Well I didnt insult anyone directly but if it could have spared the rest of the arena from experiencing this and defuse the situation, then yes. Mute me. Might make me cool down a bit too.
Fact is the one who got muted was the one throwing the vulgarities around. I was not muted because I didnt say any insulting. Was I rude? Yes probably, but hey Im not an angel.
Personally, I dont have a problem with the muting and welcome it. If I get muted, chances are I deserved it and the arena is spared trivial BS flowing back and forth on the public channel.
-Ding
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>There are exceptions, sir.
Yes you're right. But they are so hard to find and are so drowned out by the whiners and poor sports and excuse makers that I no longer feel its worth the effort to try and find them. Squelch 1. Squelch it agian. And squelch it one more time just to make sure its dead.
Regards,
Wab
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Originally posted by AKWabbit:
Not suprising you'd take the side of a childish sore loser. At least Dingbat didn't accuse Wulfie of being a cheater when he got his bellybutton wasted eh?
LOL leave it to AKs to take it new levels. This is exactly why Wulf got squelched and I didnt. The AKs as represented here on the boards cannot go without insulting others. THIS is the kind of action which gets people muted online. Too bad we cant do this on the boards. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Now you all know why I reacted to Wulfie as I did....I have no respect for any of the AKs online. They are nothing but antagonists in the air and on the boards.
-Ding
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>I have no respect for any of the AKs online.
Believe me Dingbat, the feeling is entirely mutual. You're the poster child for why chan 1 needs to be squelched by so many.
No Regards,
Wab
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I cant believ you guys. You want censorship?? I guess most of you aren't from the US. Rip, your wrong on this one. I'm very loyal to my Sims but if HTC is giving some suck bellybutton favorite the right to mute me or anybody else then I WILL take my money to another SIM and convince as many of my squadmates to go with me and not put up with this kind of treatment they used to use in the old USSR. I dont need or want big brother watching me. We HAVE a damn Squelch! If you dont like what a player is saying, squelch the basturd! If its racist if its about "dick" then squelch him. I pay to play here like Wulfie or anybody else. If I dont like what he says then I squelch him. I dont need some suck up to HTC tell me what I need to hear or what I can say. The competition is starting to get more fierce out there for the online SIM community. AH is the best but that doesnt mean another without players with GODPOWERS wont come along. That bucket full of water could drop pretty quick huh Rip?
LLB OUT!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by AKWabbit:
>I have no respect for any of the AKs online.
Believe me Dingbat, the feeling is entirely mutual. You're the poster child for why chan 1 needs to be squelched by so many.
No Regards,
Wab
WAAAAAAAA WAB! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Ding
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Kinda strange where 'dick' is censored and 'banana' isn't! I'd be more offended by banana than dick anyday! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) BTW, what happens if your CPID is 'dick'?
Nexx
Afterthought.... 1984.....
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I say mute them all, let God sort them out!
After seeing Wobble's reaction its obvious why he became muted =)
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There is an issue here beyond gameplay, folks.
Don't forget that we live in very litigious times. You need a potty-mouth filter because we have kids playing this game. Anyone who's been to a Con' knows we all swear like there's no tomorrow in person. But the last thing HTC needs is angry letters from parent's lawyers saying "My little Billy now plays with inflatable goats because of what he heard on AH." Or something like that.
By the same token, HTC also does not need someone calling a lawyer on them because they felt that the game and the company condoned, fostered, or approved of things like the Holocaust. Or Apartheid. Or that the game is in some way excluding a certain minority because of its tone of racism.
Back in Ye Olde Air Warrior daze, folks would occasionally show up with handles like "Adolf Hitler" and rant away for a night. But a night is all they got. Banned for life within 24 hours. Hell, I got banned for the nonsense word "waffledick" once.
So even if you put aside how pathetically small making "deathcamp" jokes makes the teller look, the bottom line is that HTC needs to protect themselves. Those blessed with muting power should be mature enough to use it wisely.
And, FWIW, anyone here who thinks that genocide falls into the grey area of public taste - being only inappropriate in the eyes of those related to the expunged - needs a serious, serious reality check.
-DoK
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WoW! I just lost respect for some AH players. Man, there are a few on this BBS topic that I had alot of respect for, until now! Congradulations! Not that having Swager's respect is a high point, but my standards are low and if I take a double look imagine what others are thinking.
As for customers having mute power. I would love that power!! I would mute hblair, hangtime, ice, lephturn and all the other great sticks. Mute them so much they would signoff for the night. It would make AH soooo much safer! HeHe!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Lighten up gentlemen, it's just a realistic combat flight simulation!
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On Leave 3./JG2~Richthofen~[/i]
"Enjoy yourselves now... for I'll be back"
3./JG2 (http://members.home.net/winyah999/3jg2.htm)
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I seriously try to get along with everyone...even those who don't deserve the effort (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Some of you need to lighten up...if you feel that the majority of us have to listen to your foul mouths whenever you feel inclined to pull the chain, then you're kidding yourself.
I would have alot more respect for those of you who say you'll quit, if you would just QUIT! Talk is cheap...if you can't participate in this sim without calling folks fowl names and makin it alot more personal then it needs to be, then hit the road.
I can promise you this...if I had the .mute thingie within my grasp, I guarantee you I would have more mutes/sortie than kills/sortie...if not for the fact that I just get tired of hearing the same old whinin.
Here's a wild concept...why not let your flyin do your talkin...there isn't a player in this sim who would not respect that, even if they didn't like you.
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13thTAS
It's not the Big that kill the Small, but the Fast that kill the Slow!
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This has poisonus potential. I suspect that whatever good HTC my feel can come of it, in it's current incarnation it presents a much higher potential for damaging the community than helping it.
If you've seen me around much, you've likely figured out that I think most on-line communities are largely bacterial, including this one. If this is your idea of great community you need to get out more and have the occasional beer.
However, situations like this can make any environment toxic, and with the natural ego's of the people who play this game and the paranoia that is common to any internet experiance it seems to me that the solution is much worse than the problem. This isn't a theoretical issue (as was the automated profanity filter), but a practical problem of monkey-behavior.
Thog
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Originally posted by llbm_MOL:
We dont need players with god powers as long as there is a .squelch command. If Dingy didnt wanna hear what Red had to say all he has to do is type. Same for anybody else that found his type profane.
LLB,
I understand your viewpoint here but there are problems with just leaving it a squelch issue. The players involved in these exchanges will rarely back down and squelch the other while swallowing their pride. Everyone needs to get the last word in. Its human nature and the thrill of competition (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The problem with these exchanges on ch 1 is that they can quickly turn into free for alls as it could have last nite. Players who were not even involved soon felt they had to share their own thoughts regarding one side or the other. I've seen exchanges between 2 pilots quickly turn into heated exchanges of BS between multiple players within 2 different countries. These are the kinds of events I think most of us would rather see nipped in the bud by muting of one or both of the participants.
Respectfully,
-Ding
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if you feel that the majority of us have to listen to your foul mouths whenever you feel inclined to pull the chain, then you're kidding yourself.
I don't really think foul mouth was the issue here Ice. Bad attitudes most certainly was. It seems to have broken down to a "who was worse" debate. The guy that returned the <S> with "whatever" or the guy that wouldn't let it go.
I personally haven't found foul language to be anything near as offensive as flippant comments. The other day, I was in a turn fight with an F4u-1C in my Yak. I was above and about 150 degrees behind and dove just a tad bit coming in right behind him for a beautiful 150 yard shot that didn't have a single round miss. All this the culmination of a dogfight/jousting match that lasted about 5 minutes.
Enemy: Nice turning yak
DjV: Nice fight <S>
Enemy: No way in hell a Yak can turn that tight
Let it go.
Last night, some tanks and ostwinds were hitting our base. I up in a heavy F4u-1D and attempt to remedy the situation just as our FH goes down. I come around on the nearest panzer and dive to drop bombs.. he exits before getting killed. I procede to the next targets and get two more kills. I proceded to where they re-spawned and had another exit.
After rearming, I notice they gave up and decide to jetison my stores and defend against higher cons. The same pilot comes in 2 times at about 12k and tries to kamakazi dive bomb the base. I kill him both times. He comes in again, only this time at 15k. I suspect he is lite and wanting revenge, but defense is on my mind... so I proced to treat it as if he is prepping to bomb again, even though he has about a 2k alt advantage. He engages me instead and gains an instant upperhand. I dive down and drag him through the ack. On the second attempt he breaks off and I pursue getting the kill after re-engaging him.
enemy: Nice ack dive
I understand that squelching the victor and the victim would mean no <S> for 2 minutes or so. I am just a bit bummed that it wouldn't really be squelching that many pilots.
So, <S> to DREX, Servo and those I've recently saluted on chanel one... all of whome handled the victory or loss with dignity and returned the gesture (or instigated it). "Screw you" to all those that didn't.
AKDejaVu
[This message has been edited by AKDejaVu (edited 03-19-2001).]
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Ice,
Sometimes they whine and call you a cheater
when you let your flying do the talking. I don't mind the banter or the language its the whines.
To many whines are being thrown out on open channel. Some of the guys that whine the most play the most. Let's dig that stat out. I wouldn't pay $30 to be pissed off constantly.
On the issue of muting. I don't have a stance on the subject as it will never affect me.
Drex
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Dingy, I cant believe you are going to sit there and say you have no respect for AK's online. You and I had a situation arise, and we handled it like it should have been handled - in a duel. Since then, I *thought* we had a decent relationship. Please dont drag all the AK's through the mud because you have a problem with one.
And for the record, this is not about vulgarity, this is not about obscenity. The word "dick" was said on open comms, not "You squealing dick, nothing more than dick. Many of us have been guilty of running our mouths when a fight turns south or something happens we dont like. I personally have done it many times and regret it every time. I work on keeping my mouth shut, sometimes I fail.
Should SWulfe have called Dingy a dick, no. Should he have been arbitrarily muted, no. Do we deserve to know who/what/when/how is going on with this arbitrary muting stuff, yes!
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Breaking a self-imposed moratorium on posting here...
A possible solution is to take it to private. The last "debate" I had online I could see was going to clot the airwaves, so I took it to the private channel. Had I not done so I am sure someone might have gotten muted, but certainly we would have angered the rest of the arena. No reason why everyone needs to endure every last moment of posturing on either (or both) sides.
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i think people are not understanding the item in question. I dont care about people muting people cause they curse. its a online game and should be clean for all ages to play. the point was there is some htc power that is muting people for no reason. wulfe only said dick once, and got a warning for it. but then after saying nothing else he got muted. wtf??? this is the problem that needs to be addressed by htc staff asap, no way am i going to spend $30 knowing that just cause i shoot someone down or they think i'm a dweeb for whatever reason that i will be muted for 10 min, not even able to talk to squadies.
please htc staff do something to assure us that this wont happen.
-Akhog
NUTTZ you dont suck man, you just got bounced. sorry, was kinda pissed when i typed. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
I personally haven't found foul language to be anything near as offensive as flippant comments.
The whole issue isnt who is right and wrong but rather its about whether muting is a necessary evil. Most of the people who are for it thinks its necessary to either stop a verbal exchange before it gets out of control or to silence the person who has crossed some line of conduct. I think racially offensive comments fall into this category since many people have very heated opinions on racial topics. A game arena isnt the correct forum to "discuss" these.
Everyone has a choice on how to behave. If you have a problem with flippant remarks, squelch the person. Odds are there is nothing you can say to change their viewpoint. If, however, you choose to resort to name calling, all you are doing is exacerbating the situation which usually causes it to escalate within the arena.
As DoK stated, I think another appropriate situation for muting is making inflamatory racial comments on a public radio channel. This is another instance where dialog can quickly escalate out of control since racial topics are typically discussed in a heated exchange.
I admit that I am not an angel here, guys. I have gotten into name calling exchanges with a few others on occasion and probably should have been muted also. Looking back on it, I feel sorry for some of the comments I have directed back to other players. I am a hothead and am cursed with an uncanny ability to type 80 words a minute. Because of this, my fingers are typing and hitting Enter before I can think about what I just typed out (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
But, if muting can nip public displays of incendiry remarks in the bud and prevent lasting hard feelings between players, Im all for it.
-Ding
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Originally posted by Dingy:
WAAAAAAAAA!
Dingy gives us an indicator of his age. I'll wager a paycheck on 12. Any takers?
SwampRat
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Originally posted by aknimitz:
Dingy, I cant believe you are going to sit there and say you have no respect for AK's online. You and I had a situation arise, and we handled it like it should have been handled - in a duel. Since then, I *thought* we had a decent relationship. Please dont drag all the AK's through the mud because you have a problem with one.
Nim,
You are right. I do have respect for you and a few other AKs and shouldnt get into dragging the entire group of AKs through the mud here. Unfortunately, the ones I take most exception with are typically the most outspoken and as such are the ones I associate with your squad. That is the basis for my feelings on the AKs.
Anyway, this isnt a forum to discuss my feelings for a given squad, so lets just leave it at,
"Nimitz, I respect you". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Ding
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Originally posted by SwampRat:
Dingy gives us an indicator of his age. I'll wager a paycheck on 12. Any takers?
These are the type of incendiary comments which do nothing in the arena except exacerbate the situation. Was it called for? No.
Will I resort to calling you a name? No.
Im 34. Now Swamprat, resist piling on if you dont have anything constructive to say (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Ding
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Preach on deja.
Originally posted by Drex:
On the issue of muting. I don't have a stance on the subject as it will never affect me.
Well said brother drex.
Originally posted by Ice:
Here's a wild concept...why not let your flyin do your talkin...there isn't a player in this sim who would not respect that, even if they didn't like you.
Yasir. Yasir.
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I think some positive can be seen here:
Regardless of WHO was muted, it prevented a flareup on CH1. That is the goal of the mute power, and it apparently works.
SW was muted the SECOND time to prevent a flareup about WHY he was muted the first time. If he hadn't been muted the second time, we would have ended up with this thread on CH1.
The problem with having visible STAFF is that people say whatever they want to when the staff is not on--then they "act nice" once staff logs on. I rather like the idea of having a non-visible staff. I just HOPE that this staff IS NOT ALLOWED to play the game while doing their job--otherwise the potential for abuse increases greatly ("you killed me so I'll mute you to get even.")
If the staff CAN play the game while they're doing their duty, then we should know who they are.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by Dingy:
What a constructive post Fish. You have something to say about the muting issue the Wulf brought up, then post it. Bringing me into this again serves no purpose.
alright dingy, fair enough, here's my constructive post about muting:
who cares
really, if you aren't on ch1 crying about everything, taunting and hurling insults and accusing everyone of cheating when you die then you really have nothing to worry about.
Your type has never really, legitimately been shot down have you? not once it is a miracle and a testament to your skill really - it's always been a weird and unfair coincidence of net lag, cheap shots, overmodelled adversaries and cheating huh - and you have no qualms about slinging garbage at everyone who defeats you:
"YOU ARE SO PORKED!!" on the private channel is one of my all-time favorite constructive dingy comments. real class ding.
you are arguing over actions in retrospect that could have been avoided altogether if you and your kind just played the game like men who took their destinies, fair or not (like life)and didnt try so hard to explain your defeats. it diminishes the experience.
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Originally posted by hogfarmr:
no way am i going to spend $30 knowing that just cause i shoot someone down or they think i'm a dweeb for whatever reason that i will be muted for 10 min, not even able to talk to squadies.
Before you lose complete sight of the real issue here, lemme try and bring you back to the center of the argument. You WILL NOT be arbitrarily muted in the arena for "just flying around" or cause someone "thinks you are a dweeb".
Odds are it is the OTHER PERSON who will be muted if namecalling exchanges occur. I dont see why people feel they have a right to be abrasive online and are flinching at this mute policy. Its a risk you run if you feel the need to press the issue.
As one of the most vocal players online I have no problem with this policy. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Ding
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Sure do, I was wrong, and I apologized. As I recall it was a net issue. I didnt try to justify it on the boards later or start a name callin' campaign in the ma. If someone muted me in the arena fer doin it they'd have been justified.
CRASH
QUOTE]Originally posted by AKWabbit:
Hey Crash, does "AKWABBIT YOU CHEATING diddly" ring a bell?
Not suprising you'd take the side of a childish sore loser. At least Dingbat didn't accuse Wulfie of being a cheater when he got his bellybutton wasted eh?
Wulfie I think this was your fault for two reasons:
1. Dingy is nothing but a piece of human excrement. You should know that by now. He doesn't even come close to deserving a salute for any reason. Just gut shoot him and move onto your next victim.
2. If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times..NEVER EVER EVER EVER unsquelch chan 1. Period. There's no intelligent life down there. Don't waste your time.
Regards,
Wab[/QUOTE]
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13thTAS
It's not the Big that kill the Small, but the Fast that kill the Slow!
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Originally posted by mrfish:
"YOU ARE SO PORKED!!" on the private channel is one of my all-time favorite constructive dingy comments. real class ding.
you are arguing over actions in retrospect that could have been avoided altogether if you and your kind just played the game like men who took their destinies, fair or not (like life)and didnt try so hard to explain your defeats. it diminishes the experience.
Guilty as charged as stated previously. As I said in a previous post, there have been times I've gone off on rants of my own. Perhaps I should have been muted there as well if my display was on ch 1 were that incendiary. This is the kind of thing people dont need or want to see on ch 1.
Muting gives the victimized individual a chance to cool off which sometimes is sorely needed.
-Ding
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I've stayed out of this, because I thought it would die down. I'm gone, it shouldn't matter anymore.
Facts are being distorted, people are guesstimating on my behalf, things are becomming completely twisted.
I said one vulgar word, dick, and quit after that with vulgarities.
Why weren't both parties muted or neither? This is my concern.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKSeaWulfe:
Why weren't both parties muted or neither? This is my concern.
You were muted the first time because you felt the need to hurl insults my way. Although I was terse as hell to you and maybe a little rude, because I didnt push the issue was prolly why I wasnt muted.
You prolly got muted the next time because your comments on ch 1 were incendiary but I wouldnt know about that. I logged right after that exchange in anger (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
-Ding
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Your memory is very selective, and you choose to make up what I said rather than have acknowledged it. Other than calling you a dick, I said nothing else abrasive or otherwise containing name calling, vulgarities or anything along those lines. The rest of it was an argument based on the engagement which contained only facts. When someone called you a sore loser, I said "That's the thing of it.. neither of is lost."
But I guess it's a lost cause, Maverick had already stated the worst thing I said was dick and it was the only offensive thing I said.
The facts of the entire verbal exchange on ch1 are being distorted, despite 2 accounts already described by people there.
Choose what you want to believe, *I* have witnesses.
-SW
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Originally posted by Dingy:
These are the type of incendiary comments which do nothing in the arena except exacerbate the situation. Was it called for? No.
Are we in the arena? No
Is "WAAAAA" indicative of a 12yr old? Yes
Is beginning a reply with "WAAAAA" Constructive? No
Here's something constructive. Count to 10, then post.
SwampRat (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by Dingy:
These are the type of incendiary comments which do nothing in the arena except exacerbate the situation. Was it called for? No.
Will I resort to calling you a name? No.
Im 34. Now Swamprat, resist piling on if you dont have anything constructive to say (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Ding
dick!!! lol
just kidding, but i think this shows just how funny the whole situation is. HTC palllleeez lock this thread before it gets even more diluted.
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Originally posted by SORE- loser:
dick!!! lol
just kidding, but i think this shows just how funny the whole situation is. HTC palllleeez lock this thread before it gets even more diluted.
SwampRat (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
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Ok, let me get this straight, AKwulfe calls dingy a dick cause he expects dingy (33rd SG) to congratuate him for shootin off dingy's rudder. akhog tells nuttz (33rd SG) he sucks after killin' him in a low and slow jug, and AKwabbit brings up an event that happend 6 or 8 months ago and one that I apologized publicly for and then proceeds to insult me now just on general principles. Just so I understand your position here...your position is that AK's aren't immature, conflict startin' dweebs and deserving of respect by the rest of the community? Ur kiddin' me right?
CRASH
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Originally posted by AKSeaWulfe:
Your memory is very selective, and you choose to make up what I said rather than have acknowledged it. Other than calling you a dick, I said nothing else abrasive or otherwise containing name calling, vulgarities or anything along those lines. The rest of it was an argument based on the engagement which contained only facts. When someone called you a sore loser, I said "That's the thing of it.. neither of is lost."
But I guess it's a lost cause, Maverick had already stated the worst thing I said was dick and it was the only offensive thing I said.
The facts of the entire verbal exchange on ch1 are being distorted, despite 2 accounts already described by people there.
Choose what you want to believe, *I* have witnesses.
-SW
LOL!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
So where is the confusion?? You try to congratulate me on what you think was a cool fight and I reply with a cold, "whatever". You preceed to push the issue with your facts then when I dont see your way, you resort to namecalling and get muted.
<shrug>
-Ding
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This whole thread is a bit sad. First, and foremost, the topic implies there are folks, other than HTC who can mute players.
I must strongly assert that this is speculation. As such, it should be viewed in that light. Too many of you are making a mountain out of a mole hill, creating more speculation and feeding the monster.
I am not saying nor accusing anyone of anything here. Last thing we need in this thread is more accusing and/or finger pointing.
Experience has taught me angry people will almost always say and/or do things they end up regretting once they cool down.
Let's not feed this fire anymore gasoline.
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Wow crash.. with that kind of insight, you should write history books. It doesn't really matter what was said, just how you rephrase it.
Keep saying it, eventually people will actually believe you.
AKDejaVu
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You try to congratulate me on what you think was a cool fight and I reply with a cold, "whatever".
Did he say "congradulations" or did he say "<S>"? Salute doesn't mean congradulations. You calously dismissed a salute... and I'm trying to think of any circumstance where that is NOT offensive.
AKDejaVu
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I'm amazed at your uncanny ability to yet again get the occurance of events out of order and referring to "resorting" to name calling.
I called you a dick, because after a compliment you gave me a reply that was worthy of my remark.
Would you have preferred sore loser? Perhaps crybaby? Maybe even whiner?
Fact of the matter is, you continued with your schviel long after I was muted and had left the game.
You can't decide to change how the events happened to suit you, I was there and so were others.
-SW
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Damnit (I can say that I hope)
I thought my kids were bad......
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Shit Happens All The Time
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[This message has been edited by Heater (edited 03-19-2001).]
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You find my synopsis substantly incorrect? How so? wulfe didnt call dingy a dick? Hog didnt tell nuttz he sucks? Wabbit didnt just insult me? And you reply with snyde non-substantive, inflamatory remarks....ya know, ur right, you guys are the best, we should have more like ya.
CRASH
Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Wow crash.. with that kind of insight, you should write history books. It doesn't really matter what was said, just how you rephrase it.
Keep saying it, eventually people will actually believe you.
AKDejaVu
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*SNIP*
[This message has been edited by Dingy (edited 03-19-2001).]
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Crash, you are completely correct. I don't know what I was thinking. Obviously, you are just an unbiased participant here solely to try and keep the peace while maintaing a nothing-but-constructive dialog.
My apologies to your and your family.
AKDejaVu
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ROFL (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
CRASH
Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Crash, you are completely correct. I don't know what I was thinking. Obviously, you are just an unbiased participant here solely to try and keep the peace while maintaing a nothing-but-constructive dialog.
My apologies to your and your family.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKSeaWulfe:
Fact of the matter is, you continued with your schviel long after I was muted and had left the game.
You can't decide to change how the events happened to suit you, I was there and so were others.
-SW
And I wasnt there?? I was just as much of a participant in the arena as you were. Look SW, fool yourself as much as you want but the facts speak for themselves. There was an exchange and you were muted, I was not. I am NOT on any kind of "special treatment" list for HiTech so if there was a reason for me to be muted I prolly would have been.
Is this what you are looking for? Some reason why you were muted and I was not? Someone post a transcript of the conversation and we'll see what was said by each party. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif)
-Ding
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Originally posted by Dingy:
And I wasnt there??
-Ding
The way you distort, sure doesn't seem like it.
Originally posted by Dingy:
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/redface.gif)h no, now you know how I feel:
-SW
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Crash, you are completely correct. I don't know what I was thinking. Obviously, you are just an unbiased participant here solely to try and keep the peace while maintaing a nothing-but-constructive dialog.
My apologies to your and your family.
AKDejaVu
LOL Anyone else see the irony in this? DV is taunting Crash for being an "unbiased participant while maintaining a nothing but constructive dialog".
DV, show me your unbiased view point and your non-agressive posts (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
-Ding
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Hey hblair,
You got the marshmellows for this one or should I run down to the store and grab em?
:sits back and watches the flames dance shadows on the walls"
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>Wabbit didnt just insult me?
Crash,
How did I insult you other than reminding you of the truth of your own behavior in the arena. I guess that is a painful memory for you. Ever find that "film"? Lol.
If I remember correctly I had just saluted you when you started hurling insults and
accusations. Hmmm. Birds of a feather?
Only thing worse than poor sportsmanship is hypocracy. You're 2 fer 2. Congrats.
No Regards,
Wab
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Originally posted by AKSeaWulfe:
The way you distort, sure doesnt seem like it.
Now you know how I feel.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Then kindly explain what piece Im distorting?
Mad? Good, that makes two of us then (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Ding
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Skuzzy:
"This whole thread is a bit sad. First, and foremost, the topic implies there are folks, other than HTC who can mute players.
I must strongly assert that this is speculation."
You come a bit shy of actually stating here that there are no non-HTC players with muting abilities. How about a nice yes/no answer to the question, "Are there any non-HTC players with the power to mute?"
GronK
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AKWulfe salutes Dingy,...Dingy turns a cold shoulder offending Wulfe and thereby casting doubt upon wulfe's lineage..heated words are exchanged....there's only one thing to do...Fighters at dawn!! ...DUEL...DUEL...DUEL!!
hmmm...maybe a squad duel?
CRASH