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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Puck on September 20, 2002, 03:57:57 PM
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It's posted now.
Looks like it's flying about 12,000 feet in a cloud bank. Either that or it's in the primordial chaos, but if that's the case it's modeled wrong :D
Looks good, Nate!
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:) (http://www.hitechcreations.com/natedog/tiger1.jpg)
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Thank you Natedog! :D
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64869
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lets seee....if i shoot the fuel cans on the back with my 50 cals it should catch on fire...mmmm
seriously, great work
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Originally posted by john9001
lets seee....if i shoot the fuel cans on the back with my 50 cals it should catch on fire...mmmm
seriously, great work
Actually that's exactly what the guy on History Channel's "Thunderbolts!" said. That and napalming tanks.
BRING NAPALM AS A PERKED LOADOUT! :D
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Originally posted by john9001
lets seee....if i shoot the fuel cans on the back with my 50 cals it should catch on fire...mmmm
seriously, great work
Thats not fuel cans on the back but exhaust pipes covers. Strafing Tiger with .50s is a total waste of ammo.
czpetr
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Looks Great! nice job NATE! :)
OK, I hope SUPERFLY has something now... ;)
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BRING NAPALM AS A PERKED LOADOUT!
mmmm.. can almost smell it !
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Nice! :D
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Nice work! Thanks for the bone.
Makes me want to watch Kelly's Heros again...
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How many hits from a .30 cal. or .50 cal. will it take to penetrate the frontal armor??? :confused: :p :p
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Wonder what's hidin' beneath that fog/smoke? :)
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Can you say Flakpansie?
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Nice work Dog!
SOB
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Looks Nice!
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very nice Nate, especially for a Texas boy. ;)
curly
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Will this keep our wabbles silent ??
Please consider any waffe add will be whined about by wabbles
;)
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Quote: "Thats not fuel cans on the back but exhaust pipes covers. Strafing Tiger with .50s is a total waste of ammo."
And I'm sure that little pop-gun mg on top of the turret will quickly rip the wing off any plane with just a few pings.:eek:
But the artwork is surperb! Nice job, and thanks for painting it in a color thats easy to see from the air.:D
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I'm guessing that there're so may Vechicle PP's stored up that you wouldn't see anything but Tiger's for a year:p
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Tiger tiger, burning bright!
eskimo
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anyway panther G is beter :D
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I agree with you, minus. :D
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Minus - Sure Panther G is better than the Tiger I, but then the IS III is better than both of them. Which is itself superceeded by an T-72.
So what exactly is your point? Or to paraphrase and re-contextualise a well know phrase:
"Give them an inch, and they'll demand a mile."
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The only way a Sherman.M-4 could kill tigers.......
It would use Incenedeary shells(phosfurus)..The tank would be set on fire from the oustide.....well u can guess the guys on the inside would no twant to stay there.....
Just read it from personal accounts (DeathTraps)..written by the maintnance Captain..(i dont remeber his rank,,but he ran toejam...
Many times his sherman gys would fire Phosphorus shells..thee 75 mil Armor piercers would bounce off...
So BURN BABY BURN!!!!!!!!!...
Will we get phosphurus rounds???:)
Love BiGB
xoxox
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Ya she IS a Beauity! TY, I thought that early Tigers had No AA MG's, note early comanders couple.
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There are several things inacurate on this model - but they should be easy to fix for Natedog. The AA MG is one of them. Most likely early Tiger I did not have AA MG because it lacked the fittings to do so.
The simplest thing would be for Natedog to redo a late cupola, make the gun mantlet a later model with the reinforced gunsight hole area. The Tiger would still be innacurate for lack of zimmeritt bt it would be a consistent model. :D
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Looks great Natedog. Its good to see a perk vehicle comming to AH.
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Stanga,
I think Tiger I is better than Panther G :)
Think about it.. Tiger I was produced from 1942, but Panther G from 1944.
In 1942 allied tanks were tinfoil and had peashooters.
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The only advantages Tiger I has over any Panther are:
Better side and rear armor.
Lower shilouette.
Slightly better HE effect.
In everything else Panther is much better, especially frontal armor and mobility. The Panthers 75mm has markedly better AP performance.
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Why, why you published screeshots so early? I want 1.11 today now :(
Nice looking model, no doubt. Hope dammage model is changed also for gv's :) Will hate to lose it to osti fire, or to .50s :)
Fariz
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I like the Tiger more than the Panther for sentimental reasons. Technically the Panther was more useful in maneuver type warfare. Armor was sloped also on the Panther. However, I think the Tiger Fibel mentions that when engaging targets, do not face the hull directly at your foe, but at an angle such that you're presenting horizontal angles to enemy shells (does that make sense?).
I hope we get the German optics though for both panzers. They use pre-calibrated size triangles so you can gauge the height or length/width of the target and calculate range using mils. Our current sight is based on Allied sights I think (which by the way, couldn't zoom..., but German optics had two preset magnifications... I think these two changes could make tank warfare engagement ranges more realistic) , and range estimation can be done with the horizontal lines.
I have "Tigers In Combat Vol.2" from Federowitz Publishing. It mentions that hybrid Tigers did exist... I don't have a scanner though so I can't post. There was a photo of a Tiger with the rubber rimmed wheels like Natdog has with the late cupola. Anyway, she looks great :)
mauser
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There were a bunch of Tigers with the late cupola and rubber wheels. They were the standard mid production variant.
NATEDOG's Tiger is clearly meant to be an early and as such has got a few important details wrong and some others missing.
A Tiger I had nearly the same armor everywhere, front was 100 vertical and sides/rear 80 vertical so it wouldnt make too much difference which way it faces the enemy. But lets imagine they turned so that the front left corner faces the enemy. You now have sloped armor when viewed from above. But you prent a much bigger target. I have never examined a Tiger or Panther Fibel but I imagine thats what they were talking about. Horizontal as in as parallel as possible to the incoming shell.
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Will it come with pink paint shells ?
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looks like a lovely bit of modeling doesnt it :)
what im hoping for is that we see behaviour of the damage model that matches the dozens of stories about how they were almost immune to shells fired at any distance.Theres one account of a tiger being hit 120 (!!!) times and still not being stopped.
The only thing in AH that should possibly destroy a tiger is a 1000lb bomb, (possibly 500lber?) or a very close shot by a 75mm ap shell in the rear armour.
The majority of tigers that were lost were actually abandoned rather than knocked out from shells so in AH i think they should be a very dangerous weapon.
I do worry a little though that their 88mm gun firing HE shells will not be powerfull enough but im hoping the damage from HE shells is adjusted soon.Seems to take far too many HE shells at the moment to knock out buildings imo.
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looks like a lovely bit of modeling doesnt it :)
what im hoping for is that we see behaviour of the damage model that matches the dozens of stories about how they were almost immune to shells fired at any distance.Theres one account of a tiger being hit 120 (!!!) times and still not being stopped.
The only thing in AH that should possibly destroy a tiger is a 1000lb bomb, (possibly 500lber?) or a very close shot by a 75mm ap shell in the rear armour.
The majority of tigers that were lost were actually abandoned rather than knocked out from shells so in AH i think they should be a very dangerous weapon.
I do worry a little though that their 88mm gun firing HE shells will not be powerfull enough but im hoping the damage from HE shells is adjusted soon.Seems to take far too many HE shells at the moment to knock out buildings imo.
still we live in hope :) Im sure HTC has something up their sleeves ;)
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GRUNERZ,
The important part of Staga's post is the introduction date. The Tiger I was introduced much, much earlier than the Panther V G and thus is more useful in scenarios.
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in the MA the tiger will only be used for defense, it was VERY slow and broke down alot
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I hope it uses the true sight and not the sherman as the Pan we have now...just my .02
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Actually, I think the Tiger will be fodder. I hope they don't perk it more than 1 or 2 points, because any GV in the game can be killed quite easily by any airplane. You dont even have to actually kill it. You take a track off a tank and he's just wasted the 30 minutes he spent poking his way up some hill, and now it is exit to 're-up' and hope you are luckier next time, or wait around for a Flakpansie or some plane with bombs or rockets or Hispanos to kill you.
I don't know. I think the Panzer IV is completely and totally porked anyway, so I doubt if the Tiger will be much of an improvement.
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Just wait, you'll see hispano dweebs win another round.
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If they model the late model Tiger I, hispanos are not going to be effective, even hitting the top armor. Top armor was 40-50mm, and figuring the angle of attack will be 45 deg at best, the rounds will just bounce.
The hispanos could track it however.
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Panzer IVH had 10 to 15 mm top armor
The Tiger we see above in all models had 25mm of top armor.
The King Tiger had 40mm top armor.
Realisticaly the abaility for aircraft to "Track" tanks with cannon or MG fire is an AH game play device and bears so little resmbalance to actual combat hapanstance to be a personal sorce of amusement/iration.
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King Tiger:
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Yea brady MG detracking tanks is silly, but only as silly as a single MG34 ripping the wing off an FW190. HTC needs to rethink both.
:D
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take a look at the front / side and back view of our pIV h.
You think it would not to be that easy to de-track, so as brady suggests it would seem to be a pure gameplay concession.