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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: GRUNHERZ on September 20, 2002, 07:28:18 PM
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Hi.
I like your Tiger but there are a few things that are a bit innacurate and could be fixed.
You have modeled an early Tiger I based on the gun mantlet, commanders cupola, lack of zimmeritt and a few other details.
Here is what's wrong with your model.
It lacks the triple smoke dischargers on the turret sides.
The circular air vent on the turret roof was placed behind the loader's hatch on early Tiger's, the way you have it now is like was on mid and late models.
Also the early Tiger I did not have the loader's periscope.
The vision slits on the commanders cupola are much too tall, they were very very thin on early Tiger I. The AH cupola looks more like an early Panther type.
The holes for the binocular gunsight are just a bit too high. They were more in line with the coaxial MG.
You could add some big bolts where the barrel sorround meets the mantlet. There were 6 of them, 3 to a side, spaced exactly like this (O)
You also missed a circular dome air vent centered exactly between the driver's and radio operators hatches immediately above the light.
And last I am afraid that Tiger I porbably did not mount an AA MG in it's cupola. I might be wrong but they did not have the standard ring fitting or any other means to attach one.
I don't know if you will take this as whining but I wanted to point out a few areas that could be made better and more accurate.
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NATEDOG, She IS Most Beautiful, And I am All Kinds of Happy to see her, But I am afraid GRUNHERZ is quiet right, I was a Tank Geek long before I was a Plane Geek, and I noticed these things as well, but manely the AA MG issue, It would Be cool if you could make some of the mod's he has sugested:)
TY again:)
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Dorks.
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I just hope that it has better armour then a M3!!!
As for camouflage schemes I would like to see something like this added to the Typhoon. :D :D
...-Gixer
The Horse Soldiers
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Hi.
I like your Tiger but there are a few things that are a bit innacurate and could be fixed.
You have modeled an early Tiger I based on the gun mantlet, commanders cupola, lack of zimmeritt and a few other details.
Here is what's wrong with your model.
It lacks the triple smoke dischargers on the turret sides.
The circular air vent on the turret roof was placed behind the loader's hatch on early Tiger's, the way you have it now is like was on mid and late models.
Also the early Tiger I did not have the loader's periscope.
The vision slits on the commanders cupola are much too tall, they were very very thin on early Tiger I. The AH cupola looks more like an early Panther type.
The holes for the binocular gunsight are just a bit too high. They were more in line with the coaxial MG.
You could add some big bolts where the barrel sorround meets the mantlet. There were 6 of them, 3 to a side, spaced exactly like this (O)
You also missed a circular dome air vent centered exactly between the driver's and radio operators hatches immediately above the light.
And last I am afraid that Tiger I porbably did not mount an AA MG in it's cupola. I might be wrong but they did not have the standard ring fitting or any other means to attach one.
I don't know if you will take this as whining but I wanted to point out a few areas that could be made better and more accurate.
Don't worry Natedog, i'm one step ahead of you.:D
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Hi.
I like your Tiger but there are a few things that are a bit innacurate and could be fixed.
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and you forgot the coddamn cupholder !!!
I hate it when they forget the most imprtant part ;0
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Have you guys thought it might not be finished?
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Sure and thats why I suggested the fixes....
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Originally posted by Gixer
I just hope that it has better armour then a M3!!!
As for camouflage schemes I would like to see something like this added to the Typhoon. :D :D
...-Gixer
The Horse Soldiers
How about this? :eek:
(http://www.kubicki.org/simians/p38desert_sm.jpg)
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Originally posted by Dessy
How about this? :eek:
(http://www.kubicki.org/simians/p38desert_sm.jpg)
Nice but nahhh, I think you are missing Gixer's point. Take a look at the camoflauge Gixer mosted more carefully and tell me what you see :D
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Yes yes I know; if you stare at the P-38 long enough, not only will you see those, but also a kangaroo and who knows what else ;)
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Dont forget that this model tank also had a rotating framus pivot attached to the dween cam that co induced the belvin panels coaxil recriprocating allignment.Wouldnt be natural without that part.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Dessy
Yes yes I know; if you stare at the P-38 long enough, not only will you see those, but also a kangaroo and who knows what else ;)
I've been squinting at that P38 for half an hour and still can't see a Kangaroo let alone anything resembling the female form.
Even if I could see a Kangaroo they don't do much for me, even though I'm half Australian. Fiesty beasts, kick and punch like a mad women.
...-Gixer
The Horse Soldiers
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I like your Tiger but there are a few things that are a bit innacurate and could be fixed.
:eek: And so it begins.
-Sikboy
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" It lacks the triple smoke dischargers on the turret sides "
I always thought those were some anti infanty devices that dropped grendade outside when enemy troops were on the tank.
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Can you model some sticky bombs too?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Can you model some sticky bombs too?
Sure! Since sticky bombs do more than 1ks
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MT sticky bombs were quite a disater for the british....
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Sikboy:
"And so it begins."
I guess you don't care if AH can be improved or small graphics errors corrected. What, do you work for WW2OL or Warbirds?
Sunking:
The early Tigers had these smoke dischargers on the turret, while others even added several more grenade throwers on the hull edges.
Later Tigers had a new grenade discharder built into the turret roof. This was called the "Nachverteidigungswaffe" or close in defense weapon. It was a trainable single shot breech loading reloadable launcher. It fired HE frag antipersonell grenades which were timed to explade several meters high.
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It also fired smoke shels, was I beleave 92mm in diamater, going on memory alone hear gents:)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I guess you don't care if AH can be improved or small graphics errors corrected. What, do you work for WW2OL or Warbirds?
Honestly, I don't. But more to the point is that this single screenshot of a possibly unfinished Tank was posted less than 12 hours before your list. And while I honestly don't think you meant this as a "you're model is all f'ed up" post, I can easily see how it could be seen that way. "And so it begins" and I doubt it's likely to end any time soon. I can't wait to hear how f'ed up the perfromance is when it gets added to the game. (and especially after the first one gets shredded by .50's).
-Sikboy
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Well I certainly see a possibility that it's unifinished and so I posted some corrections and additions that he could make to have a more accurate Tiger I. What on earth is wrong with that in your eyes?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
. What on earth is wrong with that in your eyes?
My eyes are fine. Thanks for your concern
-Sikboy
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why would anyone want a RED tank ?
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
why would anyone want a RED tank ?
I want a RED tank, bring the T-34 to AH! :D
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This post really blues!!!
RafBader CO:RRR
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HTC should just save themselves some headaches and stop adding german equipment to the game.
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Originally posted by Gixer
As for camouflage schemes I would like to see something like this added to the Typhoon.
If you look closely, you'll see that "they" are overmodelled. ;)
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Originally posted by Sikboy
And so it begins.
-Sikboy
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My hopes: this will be a perk ride that will be consume my gv perk points.
My fears: that it will still be vulnerable to N1k2 and LA-7 dweebs.
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Well considering the Early Tiger only had very thin armor on the top and bottom (somewhere around 15mm I think, but am not sure. It's been awhile since I had my Ryton Tiger books out) I'm sure it will be vulnerable to the standard array of weapons on the airplanes in AH.
Now as far as the AA Machine gun, the early cupola that is modeled dinna have the AA machine gun mount. Only after the incorporation of the low profile cupola did it contain the AA mount and ring. Hey, and if this tiger is supposed to be an early version, does it have the snorkel fitting on the back? And if so, can I use it to get across a pond or river?
My questions are: Is this thing gonna live up to it's history or is it just gonna be another tommy cooker from a 75mm PzIV gun from head on shots? 100mm frontal armor will definitely stop a 75mm AP round. Tiger tactics gonna work in here too, like turning the tank 45 degrees to the attacking gun to present the worst impact angle? Somehow I doubt that it will have any effect if done. Oh, the most important thing.....how much is this beast gonna set us back? We've all got millions of GV perks I would imagine but I'd still like to know how much it's gonna cost me when a Spit V strafes me and blows me up....Anyway, I like the model and remember Grunherz, not all early tigers were equipped with smoke dischargers on the turret. Those that were usually had them on the upper hull as well. What about the pistol ports or escape hatches? are they modeled correctly? Who knows....there's no serial number on the tank nor a date of manufacture so there's not way to tell is there? If the binocular sight aperature on the mantlet is thickened, is that a late/early Tiger I or an early/mid version? Again, who's to say....The important thing is that it live up to it's history (except the engine breakdowns and track failures) The damn thing used 2 and 3/4 gallons of fuel per mile...notice I said gallons per mile, not miles per gallon...It takes alot of fuel to get a 56 ton behemoth moving. If it's used as it should be in the game, it will be unstoppable by ground vehicles. Now you tiger buffs will know how this tank is supposed to be used. ( I know how I'm going to use it) :D
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Originally posted by gofaster
You and Sikboy are busting me up today! HEHEHE! Good watermelon man, funny!
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Early Tiger I had 25mm top surfaces, later Tiger I had a 40mm thick turret roof to help defeat big anti tank aircraft cannon. So it should be impervious to MG and 20mm fire either way.
I do find it interesting Sikboy hasn't squeaked about "so it begins" in the A20G dorsal MG thread or the 5000 P47 or P38 whinining threads. I guess only allied vehicle fans among AH customers are allowed to submit their feedback to HTC staff.
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Tiger 1 had 25mm top armor.
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hmmm yes needs a cup holder...but also this I believe for those 20min drives...
(http://www.igloocommercial.com/resources/img_6-2-6_main.jpg)
Portable container for packaged beverages at social events. Holds 109 qts. or up to 163 - 12 oz. cans or one quarter barrel keg
Heavy duty plastic construction
Ultratherm® insulation
Removable wheeled base with locking casters
Molded in handle lid
Threaded drain plug
1 Year Warranty
Product Name Product Codes Ext. Dimensions
(L x W x H) Int. Dimensions
(L x W x H)
Party Barrel™ Blue 12474 (MP1)
UPC #034223124700 24.4" x 24.4" x 30.6"
62.07 x 62.07 x 77.63cm 20.5" x 18.3" x 20.8"
52.07 x 46.36 x 53.0cm
as you see should handle N1k and LA7 attacks :D
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I do find it interesting Sikboy hasn't squeaked about "so it begins" in the A20G dorsal MG thread or the 5000 P47 or P38 whinining threads. I guess only allied vehicle fans among AH customers are allowed to submit their feedback to HTC staff.
Yeah, it was great to see someone work a whine about the Ju-88 in there lol.
But actually, I thought Superfly addressed the issue. Interesting how those threads all found there way to the A&V forum too. Not like your little boo hoo in here.
-Sikboy
PS: I wasn't squeaking about you sweetums, I was mocking you.
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BANG!!!!!
(there u got it)
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BUG,
Why clog HTC's server with multiple copies of that image?
Just link to a copy of it you already put on their server.
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Please don't to technical karnak
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Hey BUG332 being a Dutch coward warcriminal dont you have to help the Serb Army murder some refugees in Bosnia?
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Here is BUG332 and other Dutch UN warcriminals welcoming the serb army into Srebrenica Bosnia before helping them murder 8,000 innocent civilans.
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So If I bring up an issue about German vehicles graphics model I desreve to be mocked? What kind of attitude is that?
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anyway it was a dutch f16 that shot a mig 29
yeah i left the dutch army when it went total volunteery it's got not nothing to do with ur cleuless crap talkin ur doing now.
Not proud on the dutch act there to be the thruth they all sucked there,
When it sucks it sucks
can u patriots think about ur country with full critizism like me
especially with monkey bush as president now
anyway it has nothing to do with the regular luftwable whining here.
I guess u wabbles are cleuless in what to say.
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Guess what the tank isn't released/finished yet.
HUH?
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"anyway it has nothing to do with the regular luftwable whining here. "
Correct!
However it has everything to do with the regular allied whining here.
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Have u guys ever thought about the complaining that could follow if the Tiger would be introduced with errors in the model?
For me Gruenherz's post is absolut valid and I can't understand why u taunt him.
He made a few suggestions (thats what many here do at the BB) so whats the problem?
I'm sure Superfly and Natedog are gratefull if someone can help them with funded data and pictures.
This thread is gone sick and I really don't like the kind of posts (Gruenherz ur's too) that are in here.
Maybe a few should handle their private hate against each other in a different kind of forum but not here!
and get mature
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yo dudes keep cool.
have more sex be relaxed. :)
my guess u need some........
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Early Tiger I had 25mm top surfaces, later Tiger I had a 40mm thick turret roof to help defeat big anti tank aircraft cannon. So it should be impervious to MG and 20mm fire either way.
And that should be the only reason to introduce the Tiger. Seeing a Tiger tank should strike fear into its enemies, not simply tell a player "Hey look, a perked tank. I'll up my N1K2 and get some easy kill bonus points."
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So...Ummm Whats the big feekin deal about pointing out a few things about a tanks accuracies or lack there of?I personaly would like to hear these things were I modeling them because any info you can get has GOT to be helpfull.I agree that if we're getting a tiger it SHOULD be n1k proof.Christ,those things were monstors.Make those N1K dweebs grab eggs and face that MG on the Tiger.:p :D :rolleyes:
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ahh skuzzy come on we are all grown up and no kids anymore
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Funny thing is that I don't plan to get close enough to the bugger to notice all these "improvements".
All I'll probably see is the icon Tiger1 and the rapidly decreasing range as I dive in and try to kill the bastard!
(oh, and I think it looks fine seeing how it aint even released yet)
Tronsky
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Found a drawing of glasses