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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Fancy on September 22, 2002, 02:55:41 PM
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I was just thinking about what happened to me in this post (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64973) and I wonder if we could maybe have a bit more generous a system for "landing zones". Realistically, if you got as close as I did (see thread), you would be credited with good landing which is to say your plane would make it home. It's annoying if you deadstick land on the runway even and happen to veer off it by a few feet, but can't get back on. I mean, it's only a few feet away. Perhaps any landing with 1/4 or 1/2 mile counts as good. Just a suggestion.
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The problem is nobody has yet figured out how to both allow that to happen, AND make people want to land on the runway.
J_A_B
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Maybe counting a gear down landing as successful if it is near the airfield would be OK, but only granting the 1.25 multiplier to perks if the landing is on the runway itself.
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That sounds like a good idea Karnak
J_A_B
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That is a good idea on the perks for ON the runway.
How about this, double the width of the runway 'land successful' area but do not double it graphically. That would give a reasonable margin of error for those 1/2 on and 1/2 off stops where you can't move anymore.
[ I just used double as a reference, maybe 1.5 times the present width would work. ]
fuzeman
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move the safe landing zone and folks will still gripe when they roll to a stop a few feet from it.
it's just not that hard to get it down on the runway, and if you don't, oh well, you prolly should have planned the approach better.
F.
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Originally posted by Furious
move the safe landing zone and folks will still gripe when they roll to a stop a few feet from it.
it's just not that hard to get it down on the runway, and if you don't, oh well, you prolly should have planned the approach better.
F.
Click the thread linked in my original post ultra melon.
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Add a mule GV, have a buddy spawn it at the VH come out and tow ya back and he gets perks for it, I dont know how many times I end up just a few feet from runway and wish something could tow or push you the few extra feet. And give the guy who towed ya some perks.
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Click the thread linked in my original post ultra melon.
I don't care what happened to you. If you can't make it to the tarmac, to damn bad.
The ultra melon part was pretty funny though.
F.
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Maybe if?
Nah....
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Originally posted by Furious
move the safe landing zone and folks will still gripe when they roll to a stop a few feet from it.
Furious has the gist of it....you give 'em an inch and pretty soon they will want 2 inches....then later they will want 3 inches....and so on until eventually you just have to land anywhere and it will be a safe landing.
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Land! you mean you can land these planes!?!
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i understand that HTC wants us to land on the runway and why, but it seems strange that if you crash land with gear up and damage your eng , wing , etc and end up on the pavement you get "sucessfull landing " but if you do a soft wheels down landing next to the runway on the grass it's a "ditch".
a small thing, dosn't really bother me but seems there should be a better way
just a personal opinion , i think any "landing" inside the field boundry should be ok.
once i was leaking oil and trying to make it to a friendly base, oil pressure was very low when i saw the base, i had alt so i killed the eng to save what little oil i had left ( it seems when the eng is off the leak stops) i did a dead stick landing on the grass and rolled close to a taxi way , then started the eng to roll onto the pavement and shut it down to get good landing, it was interesting and challangeing and it worked but it did seem like gameing the game
44MAG
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whats an ultra melon?
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this?
(http://www.mccandlishlivestock.com/ultra melon.jpg)
or it might be this
(http://messageboardfools.com/head_up_ass.gif) /
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I think we should ditch (Bad pun) :p runways altogether. I agree ending up on the runway isn't difficult even with a dead engine and bits missing but we have all seen enough video footage of Spits, 109's etc taking off 4,5,6 abreast to know that for fighters at least runways did not really exist in a lot of cases at least to any specific degree. Even landings were only made generally "Into wind" (OK I know they did in the PTO as most fields were dug out of heavily wooded areas etc.
You can land anywhere on a V field without penalty (In aircraft as well). I think the perks should be based on the state of the airframe more than if you bring your craft to a halt on or off the runway.
Just my 2c
TTFN
snafu
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good point, how many airfields in ww2 were tarmac?
you should check out Kantorri's Finnish v Russian map (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64769) , which has grass airfields
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some of the scenario maps have grass fields with no paved runways.
44MAG
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Originally posted by snafu
I think we should ditch (Bad pun) :p runways altogether. I agree ending up on the runway isn't difficult even with a dead engine and bits missing but we have all seen enough video footage of Spits, 109's etc taking off 4,5,6 abreast to know that for fighters at least runways did not really exist in a lot of cases at least to any specific degree. Even landings were only made generally "Into wind" (OK I know they did in the PTO as most fields were dug out of heavily wooded areas etc.
snafu
For your informations fighters have NEVER (not even in WWI) been able to take off on grass. Any photos or films indication otherwise are pure propaganda and falsified, just like the moon missions. I base this on a simple observation.
Landing a HOT LA5, with no gas and a lot of holes spintering the frame. Gronk the gear down, bleed smash, every trick there is since I won't get a good second chance. Touch down, slam on the brakes, end up stopping five feet past the end of the runway.
Trottle up _gently_, apply right rudder and brake to turn around and get back on the runway with the vapors left in the tank, and the undercarriage collapses on the rough terrain.
If an LA5 can't taxi five feet off the end of a runway, nothing has ever taken off on anything but a smooth, FOD screened field. QED.
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don't worry puck , lots of un-skilled pilots can't taxi across the grass without breaking something, but with some training you can learn. first, you have to fly a man's plane not that sissy lala5 (always wondered who flew them )
44MAG
barbarian knight
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Personally, I think there are enough obstacles on the airfield to deter people from landing anywhere unless you had to. So I think a successful landing for be appropriate if you made it to the field. On the flip side the perk system for landing is fine. If you land a damaged plane few feet from the field you get a ditch, which is, more points than you would get had the pilot bailed or crashed. The thing is you're going to try to bring that plane home to put it on the runway to land those kills, see your name and get the full perks. Perhaps it’s a case of being 2 ft from the runway and you see the host tell you that you've ditched is the problem. That message should be changed to "Oooh you were so close!" instead of ditched.
If you're plane is damaged, chances are you won't make to the runway so you get penalized not because you missed the runway but because you brought a damaged plane home. Good pilots or not to badly damaged aircraft will make it to the runway and be rewarded with full perks for the effort.
P.S. john, I fly the La5, killed a few more than have killed me in it! It's a type of plane that prevents a lot of P51's La7s and Typhoons from escaping unscathed!:cool:
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Personally, I think there are enough obstacles on the airfield to deter people from landing anywhere unless you had to. So I think a successful landing for be appropriate if you made it to the field. On the flip side the perk system for landing is fine. If you land a damaged plane few feet from the field you get a ditch, which is, more points than you would get had the pilot bailed or crashed. The thing is you're going to try to bring that plane home to put it on the runway to land those kills, see your name and get the full perks. Perhaps it’s a case of being 2 ft from the runway and you see the host tell you that you've ditched is the problem. That message should be changed to "Oooh you were so close!" instead of ditched.
If you're plane is damaged, chances are you won't make to the runway so you get penalized not because you missed the runway but because you brought a damaged plane home. Good pilots or not to badly damaged aircraft will make it to the runway and be rewarded with full perks for the effort.
P.S. john, I fly the La5, killed a few more than have killed me in it! It's a type of plane that prevents a lot of P51's La7s and Typhoons from escaping unscathed!:cool: