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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MRPLUTO on September 23, 2002, 05:53:46 PM
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Recently, Karnak posted useful list of planes he wanted to see in AH, and there were also some good comments by Mitsu and others. In my spare time over the last couple of months I'd been pondering what planes should be added to Aces High. So here it is:
ALREADY ON THE WAY:
Me-163 "Komet"
Tiger I
M4A3 Sherman tank (Isn't it otw? Did I read that?)
PRIORITY:
B-24 D & J
B-25 C, D, H, & J
Ju-87 B, D, and G
P-39 D & Q
These are priority because all saw service on several fronts in large numbers. Making an additional model is probably almost as much work as making a whole new plane, but if each of these planes came in two models, they would add a lot, especially to the coming Mission Theater.
**The B-24D has one gun in a big glass nose. It should have desert camoflage. The J model has a turrent with twin .50s in the nose.
**The B-25C was Doolittle's plane. It lacked adequate defensive guns and was replaced by the B-25D, which had dorsal and ventral twin gun turrets. The H model eliminated the bombardier, putting 8 x .50 cal. guns in the nose, and was used for ground/sea attack. The B-25J, constructed in the greatest numbers, was a level bomber that became operational in (early?) 1944, as did the H.
**Gotta have the Stuka. In fact, come to think about it, I think it's on the way, too, according to HTC. Or did I hallucinate that? Ju-87B is the early war model used in the Battle of Britain. The D came out in 1941 and had a much higher speed and bomb load. The G model is the tank buster.
**The P-39 Aircobra is in much demand by AH pilots, I think. The D model is early-mid war Pacific with the USAAF. The Q should come with a red Russian star.
PACIFIC PLANE SET
Ki-84-Ia "Hayate" or "Frank"
Ki-43-II "Hayabusa" or "Oscar"
P-38F "Lightning"
B5N "Kate"
G4M2 "Betty"
B-29 "Superfortress"
**After the Zero and the Oscar, the Ki-84 was Japan's most common fighter plane. Gotta have it and lots of people want it.
**The Ki-43 had only two pea shooters, but was pretty fast and could turn on a dime. This is the mid-war model suggested by Mitsu because it will be useful in the Mission Theater. Gotta have it, even though almost no one wants it.
**Early model Lightning to use in Mission Theater against the Ki-43. It appeared in 1942, and was deployed in large numbers in Europe and North Africa.
**B5N "Kate" torpedo bombers opened the attack on Pearl Harbor.
**The G4M was Japan's most numerous bomber. Two engines, very fast, but exploded easily because it had no self-sealing fuel tanks.
**Finally, a perk bomber worth flying! How about a cost of 100 to 150 perks each? Or reduce the Ar-234 to 30 perks and make the B-29 60 or 80 perks? Atomic bombs not included.
RUSSIAN FRONT SET
Polikarpov I-16/10 "Rata"
Yak-1b
Yak-3
Mig-3
Petlyakov Pe-2
Ilyushin IL-4
T-34/76
**The Soviet Union built, and lost, about 20,000 of these stubby little I-16's. Useful for early war scenarios, Spanish Civil War scenarios, and even in the Pacific where about 200 were supplied to the Nationalist Chinese who used them against the Japanese. For its time, it was quite a plane.
**Early and mid-war Yaks and Migs are a huge hole in the AH plane set. Techinical data is hard to get, it seems. Any one of these planes would be a great addition. I'd go for the Yak-3 first.
**The Petlyakov (accent on last syllable) Pe-2 served in great numbers during the entire war. Different models were used as dive-bombers, ground attack, recon, and even as a heavy fighter. It was fast, lightly armed and lightly armoured.
**Not as common as the early war SB-2, the IL-4 twin engine level bomber saw wide service starting in mid-war, after it's production facilities could be relocated farther east, away from the invading Wehrmacht.
**Simply got to have the T-34/76 (that's with a 76mm gun).
Western Europe and Mediterranean Plane Set
Beaufighter
Me-410
Dewoitine D.520
Heinkel He-111 H-3
B-17F
S.M. 79
**Lots of people screaming for both the Beaufighter and Me-410. Give the masses what they want.
**Not many asking for the D.520, but if we're going to have a French plane, this is the one. Was a good performer for its time.
**How can we have a real Battle of Britain scenario without the menacing outlines of He-111 formations overhead?
**The B-17F had a single nose gun, inadequate to stop head on attacks.
**The S.M. 79 is the commonly seen "hunch-backed" three engine Italian bomber. It would add a lot to Mediterranean scenarios.
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ALSO RANS
Fighters:
P-36
Cr. 42 (biplane)
Bf-109K (very fast)
Ki-44-IIb Shoki
P-61B
Brewster Buffalo
Ki-45
Ground Attack:
Henschel Hs. 129B-1 (tank buster, heavily armoured; East Front)
P-63A (Soviet markings)
Bombers:
Ju-88A-1 (for Battle of Britain)
Mossie Mk IV (level bomber)
Ju-52 (German transport with defensive guns)
Wellington
Blenheim MK IV
Devastator
Helldiver
Recon/Pilot rescue:
Fieseler Storch Fi. 156E2
GVs:
Panzer V "Panther"
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So, what you all think?
MRPLUTO VMF-323 ~Death Rattlers~ MAG-33
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Excellent listing Mr. Pluto! :)
In addition to the Fiesler Storch, a Lysander and Catalina would make very good recon/rescue planes.
I also think in addition to the He111, I would like to see a Do17, Ju188, & He177.
Westland Whirlwind would always be welcome too....
Again, extremely good listing!
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well i like it all but most of all ....
Ju-52 .... :)
i am in a german - only squad and we'd love something for us to capture a base with.
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Great post Mr. Pluto, I couldnt agree with your chioces more. :)
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Spitfire LF mkIX (or spit XVI, clipped wings would be nice too).......the most numerous Spitfire mkIX produced- would plug a huge gap in the RAF planeset.
The stuka and beaufighter would be nice too.:)
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And don't forget this
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I'd like to see two new variants of the Mustang as well. I know we already have two, but since these are the Commonwealth versions it would add some spice to the game.
Mustang III
Mustang IA
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The Cant Z 1007 is a far better choice for an Italian Bomber, for a ton of reasions.
Personaly asigning PRIORITY to any more US Bombers is kinda well,a wast of resources at the moment imo.
JU 87 will be added I am shure.
P39 well umm we have a ton of US plaens right now how about we spend some time on somthing for Italy or Russia, or Japan.
I would like to see an early P 38 would be easy to do time wise for HTC and would be usefull, of course we are talking about adding more depth to the us plane set who's cup runith over at the moment anyway, which is causing playbalence issues in the CT, paticualry for PAC set up's.
The adation of the Betty for Japan would be nice but kinda a wast of time imo, I would rather see a Jill, Juddy and or a Grace added insted of spending time on a slower more vunerable vershion of the Peggy( they carried almost the same bombload)
Realy what any list like this no matter how well thought out and how well presented and this list is certainly both, boils down to this. What are you willing to give up and for what are you willing to give it up for. That is to say you want a B 29 and you are going to give up 2 or 3 maybe even 4 new fighter types. then you nead to ask yourself well what does this plane bring to AH? Planes like the B 24 and the B 25 are curently represented in the Burgining US palne set by the B 17 and the B 26, yes It would be nice to have them but at what cost why not add somthing new for another country and add some diversity instead of add more depth to the US plane set.
I do think the Rat is a good Idea, I would preferr to see a TU -2 for a Soviet buf though, be a great MA plane and would usefull for the CT as well.
The T 34 has a HUGE problem...NO AA mg.
As much as it pains me to say this, with the addation of the Me 110 I cant say I can get behind the adation of the Me 410, the Germans are the second most favored country plane wise and they dont realy nead a new Twin, I would rather see a Twin for Japan, A Ki 102 or a Ki 45 instead.
Granted all the planes on that list would be awsome to have and hopefullt one day we will, my opions are geared toward the short term, the next patch or two, not the distant futue.
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Me-410 B-1 and B-2 is needed badly...only LW heavy fighter/schnellbomber available is the Bf 110 G. The 110 is certainly no comparison to the Mosquito VI currently available.
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Originally posted by MRPLUTO
P-39 D & Q
**The P-39 Aircobra is in much demand by AH pilots, I think. The D model is early-mid war Pacific with the USAAF. The Q should come with a red Russian star.
MRPLUTO VMF-323 ~Death Rattlers~ MAG-33
How about the P-39N? It saw a lot of action in the MTO
ack-ack
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Agree on most except the B25 and B24 part. Although they saw alot of action, I think US has got enough bombers for a while while some countries don't have any, or just very bad/outdated.
SM79 to the Italians or something better, think the SM79 was amongst the best bombers in the IAF though. Late war to the LW. Any bomber to the Russians. One more for the Japanese. Brittish might need one too, maybe a Blenheim?
Also, the Ju88-A4 saw quite some action in BoB aswell, A1 saw more though as did the He111. Basicly a He111 would be enough as the A4 too saw action in BoB, specially since our A4 lacks the 20mm in the nose.
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The 110 is certainly no comparison to the Mosquito VI currently available.
I tend to disagree with this quote. The 110 is used much more often than the Mossie is.
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How about filling the holes in the planeset.
Russia has no bombers (Pe2 entered service in 1941 Tu2 didnt come in the war before 43 or 44 so id do it first).
Italy also has no bombers Sm79 is a good choice IMO but any other would also be nice.
Japan needs some help too: Ki84 would help alot and an early war bomber would be nice.
Germany: 190F8 needs some loadouts ;)
They also need a late war bomber like Ju188 or Do217 (the Ju88's defensive armament is worthless in MA)
D520 would be sweet :D
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Here's my list:
*Re2005
Thank you, that is all.
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The Tu-2 was a 1943 plane - I believe it saw action at Kursk.
I don't believe we need any more US, LW or RAF planes for the time being. Instead, the Russian planest should be fleshed out. The Tu-2 would be an excellent addition, but unfortunately there isn't much information on how the interior looked or flight data - this has been the main stumbling block.
The Pe-2 would be a useful addition to the fold, along with any mid-war Russian fighter and the Rata.
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I agree completely with your choices (especially the B-24 in desert colors!).
And another vote for an earlier P-38. An F would be okay, a green J would be better :D
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>**Lots of people screaming for both the Beaufighter and Me-410. Give the masses what they want.
plühs (please)
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(the Ju88's defensive armament is worthless in MA)
It's not worthless. At it's worst, it's merely mostly worthless.
I'm still amazed at the number of people who think that they can come in from behind and low on a Ju-88 with impunity, forgetting about the gondola gun. Sure, it's a popgun, but my attackers always seem to be Spits, with their nice, vulnerable water-cooled engines sitting out there in front to get their cooling system or oil pinged out. Eventually, though, they're going to learn to make approaches outside of the fields of fire of the guns, and then the defensive armament of the Ju-88 will be worthless. But the supply of dweebs seems to be inexhaustible.
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As much as I would love to use the the B25 H's 75mm can opener on tanks and such - I also wish for more axis bombers firstly.
The P-39 would be a wonderful plane to add, the russians used them by the thousands and was indeed a mainstay of their airforce for some time.
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Really great comments and criticisms, everyone!
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Best criticism is that my "Priority" list had too many American planes, especially buffs.
For v1.11 I'd like to see the:
Komet, Tiger I, Sherman, Stuka, and B-24, with the remaining effort put into the Mission Theater and perfecting the strategic system in the Main Arena. And whatever else HT thinks needs to be done.
Although I prefer to see more early war planes, I felt the B-24 was important to have because it was produced in greater numbers than any other multi-engine bomber.
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The Catalina! How did I forget the Catalina flying boat? Would be very useful for air/sea rescue and against the submarines HT has said we'll have someday.
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The CANT Z.1007 3-engine Italian bomber would be a good choice, but I chose the S.M. 79 because it was more numerous, with 1,217 produced compared to 560 Z.1007's. Also, I think the S.M. 79 looks cooler.
Same reasoning for the "Betty": it was the most numerous Japanese bomber of the war, though not by much. Also, the "Jill" and "Judy" had very little defensive armament. The "Betty" may blow up easily, but at least it had a 20mm gun in the tail!
brady...first you say we have too many American planes, then you say you want the early P-38...can't have it both ways
;) ...on the other hand, I do like your suggestion to select the Tupolev Tu-2 instead of the IL-4:D But as Dowding points out, technical data seems to be hard to get on the Tu-2. I don't know if the IL-4 would be any easier. Tu-2 was a 1943 plane, by the way.
Also, good point about the T-34-76 having no anti-aircraft gun. I still want the T-34, though.
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Laz: Re.2005 is a nice plane, but it's operational life was only from May to August of 1943. They were all grounded because of a structural defect in the rear fuselage, and the war got in the way of modifications ever being made.
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Maybe the Ju-52 should get priority. After all, it served in great numbers on all European fronts, would add a lot to the "flavor" of the sim, and it has guns.
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MRPLUTO
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I just think B-24 would be a waste of HTC resources right now. It's not a 'must-have' for either the MA or special events, since it is so easily substituted with the B-17. The only justification is the numbers produced and theatre portfolio. There are far more interesting planes out there that could really plug some gaps - especially in the Jap and Russian planesets.
I also don't buy the idea of modelling US lend-lease planes before home-grown VVS types. They weren't used in 'huge numbers' compared to your I-16s, your LaGGs and your MiGs. Lend lease isn't really a valid argument IMO.
What I'd like to see:
Stuka (D and G)
Tiger
Sherman
T-34 (both 76mm and 85mm)
I-16
Tu-2
Pe-2
Would be nice. :) But I'm usually happy with any new plane additions.
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The 75mm in the B25 H was a low velocity short barreled gun, it wasn't very good against Tanks and other armored veichles but was mostly used against softer targets.
If you really want a flying can opener you will want the German Hs129, it used a high velocity (3300 feet/s or so) 75mm with armor piercing ammonition, semi-automatic and was capeble of penetrating about 130mm armor from 1000 meters. Could fire about 4 rounds in a pass starting from 1000 meters.
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I would suggest the Ki-44, the only japanese plane constructed for Boom and Zoom.
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Nice list, but you forgot the H8K2 Emily! :mad:
Ki43/Ki84/H8K2
I-16/P39/Tu2 or Pe2
Tiger1 me163
That'd do me for 1.11.
Gatso
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The only realy Viable reasion to add the B 24 is if it's your favorate plane realy:) Which I understand although I cant suport it:)
I think sighting production numbers as a reasion to include certain planes is not good reasioning , certainly in the Case of the Cant vs the SM 79, I seriously doubt Italy will get two bombers and the cant is the better of the two their for it makes more since to ask for it as apposed to the SM 79.
The betty had type 99 MK I cannons which have a piss pore rof and MV so hitting with them before a 50 call shreaded you would be lucky indead.
The P 39 is yet another US plane I would hope to see a true soviet plane instead of a lend lease example.
I dont realy want another US at this time but it would be nice, and since we will undoubtedly get one, It would be helpfull if it were an early P 38.
The PBY would be imo a big waste of time, easy target prety usless bomb load, and porely defended. Howeaver A Sea Plane would be Awsome to have and Either an Emily or a Coranado are the only two realy good choices.
Another transport although nice to have would also be a waste of time imo, a better choice would be a Tabby, or a soviet vershion of the C 47, both armed and in the case of the Tabby faster than a C 47.
Once agin in the case of the RE 2005 numbers built and reliabality issues are not realy revelent factors to determine introduction of a paticular plane/ or exclushion.
BTW I fully expect to see some kinda Sherman at some point.
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Cr 42 biplane would be a fantastic plane imo :)
as for italian bombers i have to say i think they should be added if not for the reason that there are several really good italian squads online and i think they add a great deal of colour to AH.
they have been stuck flying the 205 for so long i think its time to give them some new stuff.
As for the 85mm russian guns I think they should not be added at the same time as the German 88mm for this reason:
The germans had an enormous amount of time in WW2 where their armaments were far superior to the guns fielded by us and the russians and therefore i think the MA should try to reflect this.Let the German tiger dominate for a while! otherwise it will never show us just haw nasty it is to face one with 75mm pop guns vs that evil 88mm. just a few months please! I personally want to spend every perk i have trundleing along in my tiger picking off shermans like sardine cans :) AND I WILL DRIVE SHERMANS TOO :)
as for the other suggestions i like all of them.The B24 is a VALID inclusion because it did most of the work for the US.It was used far more than the b17.Go check your history books guys.
Id also like to see a wellington or halifax or beaufighter before i see b25,s though as we have a b26 and it isnt exactly overused is it.Most opt for jabo fighters or b17s.
nice list
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Originally posted by Wilbus
The 75mm in the B25 H was a low velocity short barreled gun, it wasn't very good against Tanks and other armored veichles but was mostly used against softer targets.
My only experience with it is from Warbirds. It was really fun against tanks and buildings.
If you really want a flying can opener you will want the German Hs129, it used a high velocity (3300 feet/s or so) 75mm with armor piercing ammonition, semi-automatic and was capeble of penetrating about 130mm armor from 1000 meters. Could fire about 4 rounds in a pass starting from 1000 meters. [/B]
Sounds fun too. I would also enjoy the Panzer Blitz rocket system the 190-f8 is supposed to already have :)
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Originally posted by Dowding (Work)
I also don't buy the idea of modelling US lend-lease planes before home-grown VVS types. They weren't used in 'huge numbers' compared to your I-16s, your LaGGs and your MiGs. Lend lease isn't really a valid argument IMO.
You are right, "only" 4,719 lend-lease P-39's reached the USSR.
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Yes Turbot, panzer blitz to the F8 IS NEEDED, should have had them along time ago IMO.
As for WB B25 H, yeah it was fun, when I was a member of the 332nd Flying Mongrels back in WB 2.x we once flew a B25 H race during our squad time, most of my time went to shoot at people actually trying to race :D
1 shot one kill :)
Finally, as I got near the goal, there were a bunch of guys waiting for me who had finnished a long time before I arived, and to say the least, I didn't look pretty when they were done with me :D
As for WB Dammage modell, I won't even comment, however, the 75mm in the B25 in real life wouldn't do much good against a medium tank, even a light tank will survie it I think.
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The Soviet 85mm gun on the T34/85 was about as effective as the 7.5cm gun on the Panzer IVH we have, the 8.8cm gun on the Tiger was much more effective in terms or armor penatration than the soviet 85mm gun.
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Except for new planes and viechles do anyone know what future releases will bring to AH? Is there a roadmap?
Any major updates coming and what is included?
How often is there new patches, releases, versions etc?
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The Brewster should probably go into the Eastern Front -category? I wish the Finnish export model, B-239, was modelled. It was not called "Buffalo", by the way. That was the nickname for the more heavy B-339s. The B-239 was called "Pearl of the Sky" by its pilots. :)
Originally posted by Dowding (Work)
The Tu-2 was a 1943 plane - I believe it saw action at Kursk.
According to my sources, the TU-2 saw action for the first time in the beginning of the 1944 summer offensive. The first operational TU-2 unit(s) were from the 334th bombing division, serving on the Finnish front, on the Karelian Isthmus north of Leningrad.
Instead, the Russian planest should be fleshed out.
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I couldn't agree more. More early-mid war VVS planes please! For example, early La5s and Yaks could be made fairly easily from the existing models?
Camo
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Turbot - the Russian production numbers for their own home-grown aircraft dwarves even the P-39 lend-lease delivery numbers. While 5000 units would be significant on the Western Front, in terms of Soviet production output it was quite low.
Take the Yak fighter variants - there were 37,000 made.
The Il-2 alone accounted for 37,000 aircraft - the most produced aircraft in WW2.
Someone already posted the I-16 had a production run of 16,000 units.
So if production numbers decide VVS modelling priority, Russian fighters win hands down IMO. ;)
I'd like to see the P-39, don't get me wrong, but I think the true Russian A/C should be above it in any priority list.
Camo - thanks for correcting me. I sooooo want to see more VVS planes; I only play AH for the scenarios/TOD etc (the MA just keeps my uber skillz from rusting away ;)) and at the moment we are quite limited if we want to do a Russian front full monty scenario. No stuka, no Pe-2, no early war fighters, no VVS level bomber. Maybe one day... :)
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In other words it sucks, bring the ki-84, Ki-43 to AH plz.
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Agree we need more VVS planes, more italian aswell since they actually have the fewest.
Mig, lagg, Yak, Pe2 etc would all be good additions. Stuka should have been the first plane to add in AH IMO.
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Stuka is really a must for scenarios and this new mission theatre.
Zipper9 - check out the News forum for details on upcoming features. I think pyro generally posts that kind of information.
The 'next big thing' is the mission theatre. The gist of it is an arena with historical match-ups where pilots sign up for scripted missions generated every so often and get rewarded for their actions in those missions. Surviving and carrying out your mission are key goals. That's what I remember reading anyway. Check out the relevant post in News section for accurate information. ;)
We also have the Me-163, Tiger I and supposedly stuka coming to AH. I don't think anything else has been confirmed, but I should think there will be more.
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Most comments are valid, these are just the planes I would like to see because of their significance
Stuka
B5N Kate
Ki-43
Ki-84
I-16
P-39
SM-79
Pe-2
He-111
In random order.
These planes were all essential tools of war and fought in great numbers, without them AH cannot be a complete simulation.
Also signifcant but less pressing IMHO
B-24
B-25
Ju-52
Beaufighter
I guess that the mid war Russian planes belong in this category too, but I don't know much about them. A La-3 perhaps?
Great to have but less impact on the war:
Wellington
Ki-44
Buffalo
CR-42
Almost no impact on the war but great nontheless:
Fokker G1 (Hey, the most modern fighter of indigenous Dutch design ever to saw combat... for four days, they mostly got mauled on the ground by the Luftwaffe, who used the survivors as trainers for Me110s)
D-520
And my personal favourite, which I never see discussed on this forum (shame on you guys!)
THE BOULTON PAUL DEFIANT!!!
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Why is the Stuka important for the Mishion theater? Afik the Mishion theater will be a 44 ish set up in western Europe, a place whear the Stuka saw little to no action.
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Brady, for what I know the mission theater can be any time at all, any theater, might start out in 1944 Western setup though.
You should know more about it then the rest of us though.
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What I read was that it was to be a 1944 set up, allies aganst the Luftwaffe in western Europe, and would be changed to a diferent theater when they see fit to do so. If you think about it they realy cant do a Pac set up unless they add a bunch more planes, and they fullest plane set they have is the 44 US/Brit vs German one. A BoB set would be the next likely set imo.
They dont talk to me any more than they do John Q public:) The only thing I have a clue on is what is up in the next week or two in the CT:)
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P-61 Nightfighter
He-219 Nightfighter
Both used extensively later war years to intercept bomber formations, P61 and He219 both had radar. The 210 was considered a disaster. They started production before battle testing. 210 was a complete flop, but it looked nice Only reason 210 was used was because they had them. RLM stopped production on 210...410 was a redesign.
Ki100
Ki84 Frank
Both Japanese fighters, performance was outstanding. Our Japanese planeset lacks high performance rides. Both would fit the bill IMHO.
P39
B24
B25
These three used extensively. Airacobra should fly with Russian markings.
Bristol Beaufighter Anti shipping and Recon. High Lethality
versatile aircraft. Also used as a nightfighter.
Yak-3
LaGG3
Both to add early Soviet fighters.
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Hajo, the Yak 3 was a late war plane, later then Yak 9. The Yak 3 was first sent for testing in March 1944, production began June 1944.
Testing for it began in 1941, but was then dropped and then started again in 1943.
Yak 1, migg, Lagg, all good early war planes though.
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I'm sure the Mission Theatre will vary it's planeset eventually, brady.
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A-hem!
The Finnish export model, B-239 Brewster to the AH!!!
Thank you.
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Dowding, O yes I am shure it will, my primary point is that if you look at the planes we have in the curent plane set their realy are not to many theaters they can do and do well with what they have, they can do what they have stated as their first theater and do it well with the planes we have now. But from my experance in putting CT set up's together I can testify to the fact that their are many holes in the curent plane set the farther you get away from that time and place the ,ore dificult it is to do a good set up.
Anything involving, Japan, Italy and Russia as a primary apponet are either imposable(Italy) or very dificult to do without subsitution. No matter what the time frame.
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There are a dozen or so excellent types that would make great additions.
My personal prefs are:
Beaufighter Mk21 - THE anti-shipping platform, and it's Australian built..Crikey!
Me-410 - An excellent german Jabo and if flown correctly with the big gun could be the a/c to menace the eventual introduction of the B-29
T-34 76/85 - The lack of an AA wep is of little importance. This is THE russian tank chassis, and since when have you thought you could really take down a marauding Typh with that peashooter anyhow?
Ju-87B/G - Bub-bye pesky Osties....and the siren makes me all hot!
SM-79 - Major player in the med. Anyone who wants to take on the CV's with a torp deserves a go...and I dig chicks with humps..
Ki-43 - Numerically one of the most important JAAF types. An excellent early pacific war a/c.
He-111H - Ok so it's more german iron, but if you want to do the early war properly..HELLO!
P-39 - Big gun go bang
M4 Sherman - The basic model, or you can purchase all the factory options (including the 17pdr upgrade) so it can actually damage the Tiger...before being killed
Ki-84 - Possibly the only time your truly glad to be in a Japanese plane in the late war MA
B-29 - Him plenty big medicine
Brewster Buffalo - Pleeeeeaaase make the bad finnish people stop!
Ok, we've got it. Why not use it
Spitfire MkVIII, LF MkIX
Ju-88G/188
Me262 A-2a
B-17F
Mosquito B.MkXVI
P-38F
Yak-1 to 9T
Awww but what about?
yes eventually ...maybe ...sorta
Panther G
B-25
B-24
Halifax III
Re 2005
Meteor F.Mk1
G.55
P-47M
G4M
Ju-52
etc etc etc.....
and yes there are NO Flying boats...after all, who wants to bob around in the water, waiting for MAYBE a pickup?
Tronsky
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For the Love of God why does everyone pic the SM 79???? good grief the Cant Z 1007 was a much better Buff I simply dont get it.
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Because the SM79 looks cool :)
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Ive been asking for the D.520 since the start of beta, and i know for a fact the Pyro would love to see the Me410 (Lots of variants here including a 50mm cannon.) And i am also a fan of the Beaufighter (many stories from my Dad about the plane and the pilots that flew them).
Didnt see the Lagg3 mentioned, also early Russian and large numbers.
Beaufighter
Me-410
Dewoitine D.520
Adding: Lagg3
Dog out............