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Title: Tiger - Ausf. E
Post by: devious on September 24, 2002, 03:51:29 AM

Here are some accurate drawings of the PzKpfw VI Ausf. E, which IMO most closely resembles NATEDOGS new model. Note that does not have an AA MG installed (see further below...)

Title: Tiger - Ausf. E
Post by: devious on September 24, 2002, 03:52:01 AM

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Title: Tiger - Ausf. E
Post by: devious on September 24, 2002, 03:56:10 AM

oben:

Title: Tiger - Ausf. E
Post by: devious on September 24, 2002, 03:56:51 AM

SIDE:

Title: Tiger - Ausf. E
Post by: devious on September 24, 2002, 03:58:06 AM

back:

Title: Tiger - Ausf. E
Post by: devious on September 24, 2002, 03:58:48 AM

Armor:

Title: Tiger - Ausf. E
Post by: devious on September 24, 2002, 03:59:54 AM

The AA MG. Note the mounting, it's an easy field conversion:

Title: Tiger - Ausf. E
Post by: devious on September 24, 2002, 04:00:26 AM

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Title: Tiger - Ausf. E
Post by: devious on September 24, 2002, 04:24:34 AM

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Title: Tiger - Ausf. E
Post by: GRUNHERZ on September 24, 2002, 05:57:19 AM

Nope.

The first color drawing shows a mid production type with all the changes. Including the late perriscope style cupola which always mounted the MG ring from factory.

The black and while line drawings show an early type, which is the knid NATEDOG sort of made.  

The close up of the MG mount clearly shows a late persicope type cupola with it's standard factory MG ring.  NATEDOG'S Tiger has the early cupola and is an early Tiger I.

Title: Tiger - Ausf. E
Post by: brady on September 24, 2002, 06:11:23 AM

What GRUNHERZ said.:)

 I wounder how much of a nightmear doing the Zimmermit coating would be for Natedog and how much that impacted which model he chose to build?

 It would be cool if they did functioning smoke dischargers:)

Title: Tiger - Ausf. E
Post by: devious on September 24, 2002, 06:18:00 AM

Sorry, the 1st one is later than the E. The MG mount supposedly shows a converted E... I'll be looking into that.  Surely the original E didn't have the AAMG.

Title: Tiger - Ausf. E
Post by: GRUNHERZ on September 24, 2002, 06:22:50 AM

Well it cant be too hard to do brady as our AH Panzer IV has zimmerit modeled.  

The close up MG drawing simply shows a standard late periscope type cupola. These always had the MG ring on Tiger I.

The early tigers with the early "drum" cupola had no means to mount an AA MG.  You couldnt mount the MG ring onto that cupola.

Title: Tiger - Ausf. E
Post by: Pongo on September 24, 2002, 09:04:27 AM

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Originally posted by devious
Sorry, the 1st one is later than the E. The MG mount supposedly shows a converted E... I'll be looking into that.  Surely the original E didn't have the AAMG.

Like GH said. the first one is an E(mid production) the second and subsequent is an E(initial production) The can cupola, smoke dischargersa and elaborate air filters are dead give aways.
There is a late production version with steel rimed road wheels as well.

Title: Tiger - Ausf. E
Post by: Fishu on September 24, 2002, 12:16:20 PM

Grunherz,

hah... you can easily make field conversion to fit AAMG on it.

Title: Tiger - Ausf. E
Post by: GRUNHERZ on September 24, 2002, 02:40:02 PM

Ok show me a picture of it Fishu, or any other form of evidence of early cupola Tiger I having an AA MG.

Title: Tiger - Ausf. E
Post by: devious on September 25, 2002, 07:04:53 AM

Hehe, been searching for Pics of Tigers w/AAMG on, but so far no luck (gotta get home to my books dangit)

Title: Tiger - Ausf. E
Post by: GRUNHERZ on September 25, 2002, 07:13:47 AM

Not just any Tiger I, there are plenty of pics of mid or late with AA MG, but find one with the early cupola and AA MG. :D

Title: Tiger - Ausf. E
Post by: Fishu on September 25, 2002, 11:04:31 AM

Well, no pics at hands right now..

but how about StuG B with MG34 on top of StuG and also one in AA configuration on top of the stug?

Like we all know(?),  the StuG B "doesn't" have any MG's.

Theres hundreds of not thousands of field modifications that germans have done to vehicles, weapons guns...
Many of those are hard to find documented or with pictures.