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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: beet1e on September 25, 2002, 04:41:42 AM
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I have just returned from spending a few days in Italy with Tomato. While in Venice, it was good to see so many Americans soaking up our European culture – literally, as it turned out, on account of the weather. I made many observations about the Americans we ran into during our stay.
I shall refer to Mr. and Mrs. Average-American by their generic names of John and Jane Doe. That’s what they do themselves, but oddly enough I’ve never met an American whose real surname was Doe, but plenty whose first name was Bud. Mr. and Mrs. Doe will be aged about 60, and that’s because they’ve had to wait for John to retire from his job at the Goodmonth Tire Company so that they could have enough money to make the trip, and because John’s holiday (vacation) entitlement at Goodmonth was only 2 weeks, and that only after 35 years of service.
One can always tell when America has plagiarised the name of a European city, because they will suffix the name of any such city with the name of the country in which it is located, thus we have cities with names like London-England, Paris-France and Venice-Italy. To Europeans like me, it is quite adequate to know these places as London, Paris and Venice. But many Americans are not well travelled (or should I say “traveled”?); Many have not left their own shores, and most are not passport holders. So we must make allowances for these quirks. A common mistake seems to involve London, Britain’s capital city. Because it is a relatively large city in a relatively small country, some Americans seem to believe that London is not just the name of a city, but also the name of the country as a whole.
I met part of the Doe family on Sunday evening as Tomato and I waited for the vaporetto (water bus) to take us to Piazza San Marco. I was very impressed with Mr. and Mrs. Doe. Mr. Doe was well kitted out, with the best guide books and maps, and had really done his homework and was able to tell me exactly which water bus we needed, and when it would arrive. Both were suitably attired in quality waterproofs, although John did not have over trousers to keep his Rupert Bear trousers from getting wet. Mrs. Doe had sensible walking shoes, white, which looked sturdy and would not slip on wet surfaces – the kind of thing I would expect to see on the feet of a Californian coffee shop waitress. Had the weather been warmer, John might have been wearing baggy shorts, but with the same black socks and black leather shoes that he wore under his suit at Goodmonth.
We had a few minutes to spare as we waited for the water bus. I asked John whereabouts he and Jane lived in the US – “near Raleigh in North Carolina, the southern US” came the reply. Ah yes, I’ve been there – the 2000 Warbirds conference at Research Triangle Park. Jane was impressed. Both John and Jane were fascinated that we had come all the way over from London (London-England) for only a few short days, and I had to explain that we have low cost airlines like http://www.ryanair.com which make that possible. I watched the blood drain from John’s face as I explained that our round trip fare including taxes had come to US $50 each. John and Jane had been fleeced for their trip, the airline having soaked up a sizable portion of John’s lump sum pension payout. Now old Uncle Beet1e has crossed the Atlantic on about eight different airlines, so I wondered which airline had been used by John and Jane. ”Connynennal”, came the answer, an airline I thought I hadn’t heard of until I remembered that Americans do not favour use of the letter T in spoken English.
The water bus arrived and we said goodbye to John and Jane and thanked them for their help and wished them a pleasant evening. We found a restaurant near Piazza San Marco, and thought it looked good though there are times when appearances can be deceiving, and this was one of them. It was quite early for us to be having dinner – not quite 7pm, and it was then that I remembered that Americans do things very early. Get to work at 8am. :eek: Start thinking about lunch at 11am, and make reservations for 11:30am! :rolleyes: And have dinner at 6pm or even earlier. :confused: Well we got seated next to another branch of the Doe family. I knew they were American because they were just about to leave the restaurant to allow time for a stroll, and bed by 9pm. It must have been a special occasion for them because they had consumed an entire half bottle of red wine between them. Clearly Mrs. Doe had gone along with her pocket calculator to make sure that the number of units of alcohol in said wine would not exceed their daily allowance stipulated by the Surgeon General. And neither John or Jane had plans to operate a motor vehicle that evening. That’s something else: In America, they “operate motor vehicles”. Here in Europe, we just drive. We could tell that Mr. and Mrs. Doe had been disappointed with this restaurant, just as we were to be ourselves. But the Does were clearly appalled that in Italy they allow smoking! Right there in the restaurant. :eek: Yeah, well I feel their pain on that one.
The following evening was our last before returning to London-England-Stansted, and having become disillusioned with the tourist rip-off nature of the San Marco area, decided to have dinner at a bar-restaurant in Piazza Santa Margherita. (I may have spelled that incorrectly. The writing on the map was very small, and my eyes are no longer young.) It was an excellent evening. The waiters knew us from previous drinking sessions, so I had no need to specify the size of the beer I wanted as an aperitif. There is only one size – LARGE. Anything else is just half a beer. The Doe cousins from California were at the next table. When I also ordered a litre of house red to go with our meal, they must have thought we were expecting about four friends to join us. How would we all fit on that table etc. etc. I find Americans’ attitude to alcohol a little anomalous. Of course, I would not consume large quantities of wine if I planned to operate a motor vee-hickle soon afterwards, but red wine is good for you. :D That, combined with moderate exercise keeps my arteries from furring up. How anyone can disapprove of alcohol, but enthuse over sausage, greasy potatoes and eggs with everything for breakfast is a conundrum I have yet to solve.
Yanks and Limeys. :) We are so alike and yet so different. What can we do with the Yanks? :) What could we do without them? :( To know ‘em is to love ‘em. :D
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It was really a fun reading :)
they (the yank) are really that different ????
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Yanks are on another planet, straffo, believe me. We may speak a common language... or at least we speak the least bastardized version of it. ;)
But I tend to take people as they come. Some I've met have conformed to the stereotype (maybe they're responsible for propagating it), others have just been more like individuals.
Generally tough, I think the gap is closing.
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Lol very well written :). I see lots of those couples around here in Salamanca-Spain. They look exactly as Old Pvt. Ryan and his wife in the movie and behave just as beetle said. I like them.
There are too lots of younger americans studying Spanish , many of them seem just normal people trying to learn, but many others behave like aliens, never talk to anyone outside their group, run scared from the savage natives and wonder how far south of El Paso they are while they hold their map upside down :D.
In fact most of both types end up spending all the trip getting trashed for cheap at one of our almost 1000 bars (for a 130K pop. town) until 4 or 5 am and then sleeping through their lectures.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Both were suitably attired in quality waterproofs, although John did not have over trousers to keep his Rupert Bear trousers from getting wet. Mrs. Doe had sensible walking shoes, white, which looked sturdy and would not slip on wet surfaces – the kind of thing I would expect to see on the feet of a Californian coffee shop waitress. Had the weather been warmer, John might have been wearing baggy shorts, but with the same black socks and black leather shoes that he wore under his suit at Goodmonth.
Okay...I like to make fun of Americans on ocassion...but the above leads me to believe that this is a British man giving a fashion critique. Is this allowed?
Living in a tourist location myself...and seeing a whole lot of Americans and Brits on vacation I would have to say that when one lives in a glass house..one should not throw stones.;)
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Originally posted by beet1e
But many Americans are not well travelled (or should I say “traveled”?); Many have not left their own shores, and most are not passport holders.
Thats so true,
I am one of those "Americans" who even though I can fly for free (almost free) anyplace that AA has a route, I still have not gotten a passport.
Ok you motivated me, I will go get one :)
btw very nice read !
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I see why Americans wouldn't neccessarily want a passport. If your country is as big as the States and as varied in terms of climate, terrain etc you pretty much have all you need right at home.
But I like to travel to meet people from different cultures/backgrounds. Gives me a much broader outlook on the world in general, and on Britain specifically. And the sudden feeling of familiarity as your plane touches down back in the UK is always a enjoyable part of the experience.
Hey Takeda - haven't seen you online much, mate. The squadron misses you. :)
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I'm just coming out of a bad case of DAoC addiction... ugh!
I might be coming back to AH as soon as I get a full year of delayed real life stuff sorted out, and a new joystick.
Glad you even remeber me, I was mostly a quiet lurker even in the squad :)
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Nah, didn't really miss you, it's just that I've started Spanish lessons and need some free tutoring! ;)
I'm joking (although I have started the Spanish lessons). Hurry back soon mate.
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Beet1e,
You have to realise that EVERY state in the US has a village/town/city for nearly every village/town/city in western Europe.
There is a London, Ohio
London, Michigan
London, Indiana
London, Kentucky
London, Tennessee
London, Minnesota.....etc.
Therefore.........London, England. :D
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Is there a Wombwell in the US?
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The average American overseas is quite the sight..I'm American and when I'm in Europe, and run into a pack of wild tourists, I either avoid them or pretend I can't speak English too goodly.. I get such a cringe of horror when I hear an American tourist do the "CAN YOU UNDERSTAND ME IF I EL-TALKO IN EL-ENGLISHO?" it's the kiss of death if you want any kind of help or service from anyone. The Ugly American has certainly earned his reputation.
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Originally posted by Dowding (Work)
Is there a Wombwell in the US?
No, interestingly enough, I am unable to find a place named Wombwell anywhere in the US.
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There may not be a Wombwell, but there is a Toadsuck. In Arkansas.
Really!
Regards, Shuckins
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Well well, thinly veiled American bashing huh?
Actually there are some of us as described and some who aren't. I for instance am just 2nd generation in this country. My grandparents are / were all from the Europe (Italy & Sweden). I was raised with many European customs, and I think many of us have similar experiences.
One European experience I remember well from my Grandfather was wine consumption. We all got a glass with dinner, age just determined the size of the glass. In fact he made his own red wine in the basement, it was horrible!
My Niece and Nephew both spent time in Europe during college, and both loved the experience. Nephew spent a year in Spain studying engineering, and my Niece did a semester at Claires College, Oxford. (She's the smart one)
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Beautifull Beetle! :D
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Ya know it's funny, but I've never had the slightest desire to visit Europe. Hey, I could make comments generalizing the character of Euros coming over here and I bet I could do it funny, too, by using bad teeth jokes or bad haircut jokes or bad hygene jokes, but why slam an entire continent? Anyway it's amusing to see the most diverse of cultures- America- generalized to the common demenonator of John and Jane Doe.
Whatever, and even though I'll never waste my time visiting Europe when there's so much more to see in the Pacific Rim countries I'm pleased transportation is cheap and access is easy to travel throughout Europe today. Just remember when you're driving down a European highway that it's paved with the blood of American boys who died saving Europe from itself.
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Rude<---------------- shakin me jiffypop on the stove and uncorkin an ice cold Coca-Cola!
Here it comes!
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I'm mildly dissapointed Mickey. It's my home town and I've always been curious if there was an equivalent in the US. :)
How about Barnsley? Reckon you could search for that?
Elfenwolf - YAWN - is that really the best trawl you could manage? Put some effort in, for god's sake.
I'm pleased transportation is cheap and access is easy to travel throughout Europe today.
Clearly, you've never caught a train from someplace in England to anywhere else in England.
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america is so damm big we jus plumb ran outa names fer towns , so we had to use the same names over an over, my town is named after some russian saint , i think.
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(reeling in pole, checking bait) Damn, not even a nibble...Maybe I should have used the term "Eurotrash." (recasting lure, opening a beer) Damn Eurofish are hard to catch...where's Hortlund when you need him?
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Originally posted by Elfenwolf
Anyway it's amusing to see the most diverse of cultures- America- generalized to the common demenonator of John and Jane Doe.
Oh I doubt the US is the most diverse. You see here in Canada we actually celebrate our multi-culturalism. :eek:
Instead of demanding that become more Canadian.
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"""multi-culturalism""" yeah , you english speakers are "subjects of the crown" an the frenchies still are loyal to king louis
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Originally posted by john9001
"""multi-culturalism""" yeah , you english speakers are "subjects of the crown" an the frenchies still are loyal to king louis
I don't think I'm her subject. I've yet to have to swear an oath of alligence to her. A friend of mine just got a job a the government and he had to though.
The Queen is our head of state though. And I'd take her over Bush any day of the weak.
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But I like to travel to meet people from different cultures/backgrounds. Gives me a much broader outlook on the world in general, and on Britain specifically
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hell if I want 'multi-cultural' I'll just go to work.
btw- how do you find the use of terms like London-england or paris-france as proof that we are not well traveled? if you got out more you'd realize that there are several londons, paris', ect.
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I am from Texas and from Louisiana i spent half my life in both and you know what, I went to Europe. I really liked it. In Texas it would have been 100F thats like upper 30s in celsius, but in Viana it was like 70 sumthin( in farenheit). We had fun. got a great rate with Austrian airlines. Talked to a guy from Turkey on the way over and a guy from Australia on the way back.
We walked everywhere and road the rail. We got first class the first time then the normal one. On the way back from Breklav, Check Republic(I think thats how you spell it) we tried to get first class, but it was booked by a BRITISH tour group. So instead we spent 4 hours in the dining car and talked to the british people. They made good conversations.
The whole trip was because my dad was in active duty in Bosnia so we went to visit him because he got a 3 day pass to Buda-Pest or Pesht which ever. It was cool.
Oh and we dont all say y'all, gitty-up, and yehaw. And i talk "normal" in northern standards. As for louisiana there are some cajuns left in the swamps. and New Orleens is one of the only other places you can have a new york accent.
- superpug
<=====[---+ long live my sword.
:D
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John9001 - I disagree. Talking to someone who's grandfather or father happened to come from outside the US but has nonetheless lived in the US all their lives is not the same as visiting another country and experiencing their way of life. Perhaps you need to see a bit more of the world to understand this.
Secondly, I think you'd have to be pretty stupid to misunderstand the geographical context of the name of a capital city in a news report.
For instance, when the BBC talks about Washington, it doesn't mean Washington - the little town in the North East of England. When the BBC talks about Moscow, it doesn't mean the village not too far from Liverpool. Those are real examples, by the way.
Perhaps it's simply the 'dumbing down' prevalent in US news stations?
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I guess it would matter if Americans cared what all the little pissant countries thought of us.
lazs
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Originally posted by Dowding (Work)
But I like to travel to meet people from different cultures/backgrounds. Gives me a much broader outlook on the world in general, and on Britain specifically. And the sudden feeling of familiarity as your plane touches down back in the UK is always a enjoyable part of the experience.
Americans don't do that as much because everyone comes HERE! Unfortunately, most stay too! ;)
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Originally posted by lazs2
I guess it would matter if Americans cared what all the little pissant countries thought of us.
lazs
That is part of the problem that all other countries have with the US lazs...Americans like yourself don't care about what little "pissant" countries think...you're right. But yet you expect us little pissants to care about you guys when you travel to our countries. Why? Becuase you are Americans? But...you don't give a toejam about us!
It doesn't work both ways. Its a small thing called mutual respect.
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curval... I have traveled to other countries and enjoyed myself. I just don't give a toejam what the people think of Americans. They all seem to love me as I am paying tho. Believe me... Americans may not be thinking to highly of the hygene and dental care of the people that are laughing at them.
When in england I enjoyed myself but felt like I was in a medium sized theme park. I was having fun but I was allways afraid I would break some theme park rule and be ejected. It was good to get back home and spread out a little in the sun.
If the American way of speaking english is so bastardized then how come all you limey's, ozzies etc. all sound American when you sing? reminds me of mell tillus... the guy was a singer who couldn't even talk because of a horrible stutter but he could sing perfectly with no stutter. Besides... for limeys.. it is a fine line between sounding sophisticated and..... effeminate.
And the "bud" thing... better you call people you don't know "buddy" than ..... "mate" I take mating seriously.
lazs
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Fair enough lazs...but the ramifications of "not giving a toejam" are felt by all Americans, and some non Americans, when they travel abroad.
For example...lazs doesn't give a toejam what some guy in England, who has bad teeth, thinks of him. So lazs rants on and on about his personal hygene, his lack of dental care etc. and generally is obnoxious and rude.
Another American, who respects and admires the British happens across the same Brit a few days later. The only difference is that the second American genuinely needs some help...directions or some such. The Brit..having just had a very unpleasant experience with some puffed up over confident yank decides to send the second American on a wild goose chase. The poor guy ends up in frigging Scotland instead of Dorset.
Congratulations...you just screwed a fellow American...not the Brit.
I went to Paris a few years ago for a month. I hated every second (except for one weekend when my Swiss girlfriend came to see me). Why? Because the French thought I was an American and treated me with contempt everywhere I went.
Were you in Paris just before I got there?;)
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About the singing with an accent thing - some studies have been done on it. I think they concluded that it was a physiological thing, something quite set apart from nationality. I'll have to look it up.
But then I've heard bands that sing in a Welsh accent, Irish accent, Yorkshire accent, cockney accent, Mancunian accent...
Yank English is a bastardized form of the Queen's Own. Like any dialect, I suppose.
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Someone needs explain me the Hygene thing, I look around me and it looks clean to me(ok, not MY flat, but other poeple's :D). Anyway... I can see granma's cleaning their windows everyday.
Central Africa, I can understand, but Yurop ?:confused:
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Originally posted by Curval
For example...lazs doesn't give a toejam what some guy in England, who has bad teeth, thinks of him. So lazs rants on and on about his personal hygene, his lack of dental care etc. and generally is obnoxious and rude.
Another American, who respects and admires the British happens across the same Brit a few days later. The only difference is that the second American genuinely needs some help...directions or some such. The Brit..having just had a very unpleasant experience with some puffed up over confident yank decides to send the second American on a wild goose chase. The poor guy ends up in frigging Scotland instead of Dorset.
Congratulations...you just screwed a fellow American...not the Brit.
I went to Paris a few years ago for a month. I hated every second (except for one weekend when my Swiss girlfriend came to see me). Why? Because the French thought I was an American and treated me with contempt everywhere I went.
Were you in Paris just before I got there?;)
I just read that the Brits were voted the most rude ... It was probably a French poll :)
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Someone needs explain me the Hygene thing, I look around me and it looks clean to me(ok, not MY flat, but other poeple's :D). Anyway... I can see granma's cleaning their windows everyday.
Central Africa, I can understand, but Yurop ?:confused:
Saintaw...it is a common misconception that Europeans stink. One of our wonderful ministers here was quoted as saying European women "improve" themselves when they come and work in Bermuda..particularly in the area of personal hygene.
It is garbage....just ignore it. I do.
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I like to travel abroad every chance I get ;) I even purchased a place in Rio last year.
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Originally posted by rogwar
I like to travel abroad every chance I get ;) I even purchased a place in Rio last year.
Liar !!! thats not bedford Texas :D
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I don't mind Curval, I just wondered where that came from.
I also have witnessed French women with shaved armpits, but I'll keep the phone nrs to myself :D
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Originally posted by rogwar
I like to travel abroad every chance I get ;) I even purchased a place in Rio last year.
you should wash your windows atleast once per year :D
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Originally posted by Krusher
Liar !!! thats not bedford Texas :D
hell I guess I should learn to read :)
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Curval, I'm American, and I've been to Paris many times. I've found the French, even in Paris to be warm and hospitable people. So much more friendly than the East coast of the US. I never had problem getting directions or assistance. I butchered the French language, but they knew I was trying and that went a long way.
Lazs.. of course you felt unconfortable in England. You were out of your element.. They haven't quite gotten the hang of putting broken down muscle cars on blocks in their yards or the whole trailer park thing..give them time, the world is becoming a smaller place day by day.
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Originally posted by Saintaw
I also have witnessed French women with shaved armpits, but I'll keep the phone nrs to yself :D
hmmm... are you homosexual saw :p ?
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hawk... point is... you can't. You can't do a lot of things. Even if you can... it is taxed.
curval... I think you missunderstood... I don't give a toejam what they think of me. That doesn't mean that I treat them badly. I have allways gotten along with people as individuals and had no problem abroad. When europeans start enumerating Americans flaws and making fun of elderly vacationers... Well then ... I just don't give a toejam what they think. I do find it odd that people with so many strange habits have anything to say about Americans tho.
A fellow flight sim guy took me to a bar in a seedy part of london that was supposedly risky.. I felt about in as much danger as I would at a church bingo nite... I mean, hard to get too serious about black guys who sounded like alec guiness.
oh dowding.... in that study... did they ever explain why you guys try to sound like Americans when you sing?
lazs
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Originally posted by hawk220
Curval, I'm American, and I've been to Paris many times. I've found the French, even in Paris to be warm and hospitable people. So much more friendly than the East coast of the US. I never had problem getting directions or assistance. I butchered the French language, but they knew I was trying and that went a long way.
I've already written out my experiences there a few times.
I'll summarise:
Arrived to find host family not waiting to meet me as expected (I would NEVER not show up at the airport to meet someone staying at my house...NO MATTER WHAT. They simply just did not show...no sorry, no reason...just dickheads.)
Took a bus..had 3 changes to make..forgot the last one as the host spoke in a heavy French accent.
Took a cab from stop #2...who took me the scenic route, then stole the change from a 100 franc note. This was the first few hours after arriving. Welcome to Paris.
Rude waiters. Ridiculously expensive nightclubs..that SUCKED. Had one waiter tell my gf and I that we could NOT have another glass out of the bottle of wine we bought because there was only 15 minutes to closing...I could drink 3 bottles in 15 minutes. (She spoke fluent French).
Host family had an agreement whereby they would provide breakfast and dinner. Never saw one breakfast..they all had a big lunch out of the house...dinner consisted of a piece of ham and a tomato. (Very Simpson like..the Exchange student episode)
When I left the family in disgust I was told I was a typical rude American...they knew I lived in Bermuda, or should have. I did nothing to provoke that other than disagree with the head of the house that France had the finest military tradition in the world.
Bastille Day...forced to walk from the Eiffel Tower to the far end of the Latin Quarter because there were no cabs at 2.00am. (Actually there were lots..they just wouldn't stop!) Arrived at the hotel at 5.30am. The whole night we had been pelted by fireworks thrown directly at us by a bunch of toejamty little Parisian froggies.
I could go on and on.
When I eventually flew home the flight was one big party. It was full of Americans and Canadians who were glad a hell to be getting out of that hellhole.
Sorry..I HATE Paris.
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oh dowding.... in that study... did they ever explain why you guys try to sound like Americans when you sing?
Erm... do you have any reading comprehension skills to speak of? Or do I have spell it out explicitly? I said their findings concluded it was a physiological phenomenon that when people sing they happen to sound American. Obviously some artists for whatever reason imitate the American accent. But you're wrong in generalising. The majority don't - in British music, many recent guitar bands have regional accents - Mancunian, Welsh etc.
And don't try to turn the thread into a 'my seedy bars and seedier than yours'. lol
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Wow Curvall, sounds like a trip :D
Straffo...
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wow Curval.. sounds like you got Le ScrewJob Royal. Would piss me off too. either I've been really lucky or oblivious :p
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Ok, I'm fairly well travelled, and I have a very healthy respect for other cultures. My parents were both raised in Japan, and I've lived overseas for 7 of my 29 years. But everyone needs a little tribalism so this is for your euroweenies.
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Ok, it's once again for me to offer Dave Quackenbush's assesment of Europeans after prolnged exposure to them at home and abroad.
Euro-Barge
by The Vandals.
From the Album: Hitler Bad, Vandals Good
Here in America, respect your fellow man
Some foreign cultures don't understand
We got this little rule and it's called elbow room
Pertaining to the spacial occupancy you consume
It I'm in front of line, then you should stay behind
Until I get my iceless soda.
It's such a simple thing it's called first come first serve
Wooden clogs that smash my feet I really don't deserve
In every region it seems there's a legion
of impatient close talking slime,
that cut in line.
Chorus:
Barge me with your walkin' spray me with your talkin'
I am the ambassador of kick your assador
What's your affinity for my vicinity.
There's plenty room here in your country
It's just etiquette to use deodorant.
Maybe smelling bad's the way you choose to represent
Boozy and stinkin' I smell what your thinkin'
I just need a little more space Get out my face
Barge me with your walkin', spray me with your talkin' -
Back the diddly up bellybutton hole shut your bread & cheese hole
Tryin' to make myself clear, give me just a foot here
You offend my sinus, I'll kick your royal highness
I'll see your Euro-barge by friend,
and raise you one Ugly American
Barge me with your walkin' spray me with your talkin'
Push you out of the way sock you in the pate'
Step right off you inbred, hygiene like a deadhead
I am the ambassador, of diddlyin' kick your assador!
SCHNELL!!!
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Straffo...
No need to Straffo (but I appreciate the gesture ;). He knows of what I write. We have "chatted" and have an understanding. Note that it was Paris and Parisians that I referred to in my post. Straffo lives in Normandy..where I have not been, so I cannot judge the entire French population.
I used to.
Making fun of the French was an enjoyable pastime for me for quite a while.:)
I will get to France again soon, I'm sure. I plan on avoiding Paris at all costs. I will look up Straffo, check out the Normandy landing sites, eat great food and drink great wine.
I hope. :p
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If you ain't been to Winnemucca, you ain't been nowhere.:p
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Oh and we dont all say y'all, gitty-up, and yehaw.
Like, for sure, dude.
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Originally posted by Curval
eat great food and drink great wine.
I hope. :p
That's not a hope :)
It a "certitude" (certain ?) you just need to train a bit drinking wine 1st ;)
btw the slap part was because I'm not sure that Saw met real woman when in france ... it was perhaps cross dresser ya know :)
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"Certains sont morts pour moins que ca Straffo" :D
Lots of women in France, just shut up about it already :D
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dowding... "physiological phenomenon " didn't seem like much of an explanation to me. Perhaps your writing skills are in question more than my reading comprehension?
I get along with most people. I would rather live in the country that has the most opportunity and the most room to spread out with decent weather. The less populous the less attention paid to you by the government. I believe that the U.S. is the best balance of being able to hide from the government and still have opportunity. I felt very crowded in europe.
lazs
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Any of you fereners heard of a town in Calabria called Umbriatico? Just found out my Grandparents come from there.
That would be Umbriatico - Italy
:D
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MT, that would be a town where one drinks a lot :)