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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on September 26, 2002, 09:11:28 AM
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This stems from a string of huge software disappointments.
Roughly around 1987, I had my *own* computer at home,and started buying just about every flight sim, or war game available. Around 1991-92, anticipation of new software releases only lead to disappointment of unfinished , apparently untested products. I continued to buy though, fueled by optimism until about 1997. Since then, I can count the box sims that I've bought on two hands...in the last 2 years, I've bought 2 boxed sims/wargames, thats it, the rest of my time has been on online in AH.
Alot of it had to do with starting a family, and the "time constraint" in doing such, however, the "I gotta get that when its released!" feeling is gone.
Anyone broke that vicious "I gotta have it" cycle like I from many disappointments over the years?
To date, I can name the flight sims that didn't disappoint me when the boxed versions came out:
SWOTLW
AOTP
AOTP 1946
AOE
Falcon 4
The rest, extreme disappointment.
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I agree. I got tired of spending 40-50 bucks on serious crap games. During 1993-1997 I was buying everything up. But Since 1997 I've probably bought only 2 games for full price. Starfleet Command and Operation Flashpoint.
In my case, Having playable demos more available has had something to do with it I'm sure.
-Sikboy
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All the ww2 flightsims from like 97 or 98 killed it for me. WW2 Fighters, FDSOE, EAW (the best of the bunch), Falcon 4. Each one of those disapointed me to the extreme. EAW was the only one that I continued to play for a few months, but only because of kali, that's were I met swoop :)
IL2 was/is the best ww2 boxed sim I've bought. I don't think I'll be buying many more, not like I used to anyway......
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same here. I bought IL2 (it rocks) but prior to that it's been years.. I think RedBaron was the final straw for me.
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I posted this because I recently bought IL2 (Getting smarter now, wait a year for all the fixes, patches) and I agree its a fine sim. It should be considering it was 3 years in the developing...however, it certainly won't replace AH for online simming for me.
I'm one of those that Hitech's markets reaches too, a nice mix between gameplay concessions, and realism. The big thing for me is direct 6 views, on a computer screen, where one has no peripherial vision, or ability to loosen the harness, lean forward, and crank your neck around to get alittle better rear view, I feel its absolutely necessary to have at least *some* 6 view. I also feel that those that dislike direct 6 views *need* them and the subsequent "element of surprise" in order to get kills. not having a direct six view, you end up with everyone flying high, looking for unaware lower pilots. Thats just me though.
If it doesn't have a 6 view, I don't fly it online.
Incidently, I can't get my views to "snap view" in IL2, anyone know why?
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Try F9 (I'm at work so I'm unsure)
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Originally posted by straffo
Try F9 (I'm at work so I'm unsure)
Rgr, will try at home tonight.
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
same here. I bought IL2 (it rocks) but prior to that it's been years.. I think RedBaron was the final straw for me.
No doubt man! The graphics SUCKED RB2 that is. But after the first patch the FM's where kick arse. Then the big RB2-3D patch and they PORKED the FM's ruined the game for me. That game had some serious potential sucked away from it when they did that. Then they came out with "no more support" same thing microprose did w/ EAW and F4. I haven't bought a microprose game since....
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I called them "Microprozac" because prozac is what one needed after lame follow up support on their products.
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The last boxed sim I bought and wasn't dissappointed by was RedBaron2.
Prior to that I bought Falcon 3.0, AOTP, redbaron, chuck yeagers combat all of which didn't dissappoint in the least.
Since.. I have bought Falcon 4.0,longbow, EAW, .. ermm does ww2ol count? falcon 4 not able to dumb it down enough, longbow was ok for a week, EAW.. lacked character.., ww2ol.. no need to say anything there eh!
I have IL2, however its not a legit copy.. will I give Oleg some money?
When he fixes the view system maybe...
SKurj
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Originally posted by SKurj
When he fixes the view system maybe...
SKurj
Can you elaborate further? I want to see if its similiar to my complaints..
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Last game I *ran* to the shop for was Falcon4... of course I'll be clicking on that "Refresh" button in two weeks, when 1.11's showing it's nose :)
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I generally stopped buying flightsims with Air Warrior around 1993/94(transitioned to AH of course). Some looked appealing, but none ever had my heart pounding like a human opponent can, and all promised to teach me bad habits that would impact my online gaming. I did get Falcon 4, but I realized that I no longer had the patience to be a "systems man."
I buy plenty of other strategy, FPS etc. software, and quality control was horrible in the late 1990s (it seems better now, perhaps because there are fewer game engines involved). Around 1998 I decided to to wait a patch or two, and read the boards before I buy. [I also got Red Baron 2, with a similarly poor experiece. I think that was the final straw, but there were many others around that time.]
I almost pulled the trigger early with WW2OL, but by about day 2 or 3, when I could finally access the boards, I was sure glad I waited. I'm still waiting on that one. I think I might just wait for HTC to mosey into a broader universe :)
I have a four-node lan gaming network at home (three in my "office" and one in the wife's); I generally buy multiple copies of older games like Unreal Tournament, which are cheap, stable and able to run well on lesser systems. The lan is a natural outgrowth of a setup I had with a roomate in the early 1990s running Doom/Doom2. It can be a real blast :)
Charon
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I agree with Skurj on RB2/3D being the last sim I bought and wasn't disappointed by.
I kind of teeter on the fence between disappointment and "eh, it's 'okay'" with Il2.
I have my fingers crossed for Il2:FB.
Then again, the only reason I bought Il2 was because they released a demo to play so I could get an early idea of what to expect.
I doubt they'll do that for FB, but I'll buy it anyway just for the planes (main reason I bought Il2, new front and all).
The last jet game I bought was Jane's Anthology. Last time I'll buy a jet game, don't really like 'em. Stand off is no fun for me, and neither is managing avionics.
I will, OTOH, check out anything Vietnam/Korea style. (specially if they make a Vietnam game/sim with the Skyraider)
I never bought any of the CFS series.
I'm a sucker for WWI, so if a company produces a decent WWI game, I'll buy it.
As for civil aviation, I played the MS flight sim 4.xx or something, it was the DOS version on the 3 1/4 floppies. I also got Flight Unlimited (I think? it was by looking glass), and that was one of the nicest games I have played. Best appearance of terrain from low and high alt... even if it was 2D.
-SW
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Couldn't agree more with modern jets SW, however the Korea/Vietnam era early jets do intrigue me, however its my opinion no ones done a good sim for that era yet.
Korea, if done correctly, could cover prop/jet planes that would surpass 100 types.
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Heh Rip, know that 'disease'. I got out of it when I started playing AH.
Dinnae need more games than AH, and AH lasted and lasted :)
Will be back in AH once I get the stupid access control/lightning control system up and running :):
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Flight sims I definately got my moneys worth from:
Falcon 3.0
Aces of the Pacific
F-117 Stealth Fighter
JF2
Most the rest came and went with some interest, but they just weren't captivating to me. I have Falcon 4 now, but just can't get past the initial learnings to get into the game.
Dunno... but it seems that when I bought those games... the amount of information available on them was not as abundant as what is on the web now. These days, reviews are on-line prior to release and the entire game breakdown is on the net somewhere before the end of the first day of release. There are simply fewer suprises.
AKDejaVu
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Kinda makes you wish like you could just pick up the phone, call your IT folks and say, hey can you drop off a copy of Falcon 5.0.
NO! Thats not our jurastiction dammit. Besides we never go down that floor or area, too much politics. Go get your own copy!
Hahaha. Just kidding.
:D
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Hi, my name it mietla and I'm a .....
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Originally posted by mietla
Hi, my name it mietla and I'm a .....
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Rich mother f___er!!!! :eek: :D
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Mietla, you live in an Electronic's Boutique?
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Heh.. Well Rip lets hope this one slips past the vultures...
My IL2 view system complaints...
If I have to use a SNAP view system, IL2's is too slow
(rumoured to be adjustable in FB)
I'd prefer instant views which are more realistic from the brain's POV +)
eyes pivot on a point... with NOOO adjustability (AH spoiled me)
3 keys to adjust zoom levels, a toggle would suffice
and they do change head position somewhat as well making them more useful but!! key config makes em a pain
cockpit obstructions.. too obstructive..(that a word?)
I feel your 6 view is too restricted
and lastly.. If i had a third arm and hand this game might be great as is..
I prefer even ww2ol's view system to il2
SKurj
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Originally posted by Udie
Rich mother f___er!!!! :eek: :D
Hey, watch it, whom are you calling rich ? :)
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Originally posted by Pei
Mietla, you live in an Electronic's Boutique?
no, it's my game room, but EB has offered to buy it from me :)
gameroom (http://www.mazurfamily.com/andy/gameroom/welcome.html)
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Originally posted by mietla
Hey, watch it, whom are you calling rich ? :)
yes upon further postulation I realised that you must be broke after buying all that stuff!! :)
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You obviously subscribe to the theory that life is a game: whoever has got the most toys when he dies wins :)
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Meitla, you have too many computers and stuff. You need a good systems administrator who types a million characters a second to help you sort all that stuff out. BTW: Do you have any rats? I wonder if the typing and all the ruckus would intimidate the rats?
Hahaha. Just kidding, lol.
:D
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meitla,do i see a couple of origional voodoo card boxes,top shelf,left end?...i remember when i got my first one of those,tapped my feet nervously all the way home from the computer shop,but then when i booted up quake1 and saw my first "true" hardware accelerated game,i knew i was lost....
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Originally posted by Udie
yes upon further postulation I realised that you must be broke after buying all that stuff!! :)
now you are talking :)
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Originally posted by Pei
You obviously subscribe to the theory that life is a game: whoever has got the most toys when he dies wins :)
I was deprived as a child, allright ?
All I had to play with were stones and sticks
:)
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Originally posted by steely07
meitla,do i see a couple of origional voodoo card boxes,top shelf,left end?...i remember when i got my first one of those,tapped my feet nervously all the way home from the computer shop,but then when i booted up quake1 and saw my first "true" hardware accelerated game,i knew i was lost....
Yeah, those were the times.
Those are Voodoo II s, The black Compaq on the right side of my desk still has two of them installed.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
This stems from a string of huge software disappointments.
Roughly around 1987, I had my *own* computer at home,and started buying just about every flight sim, or war game available. Around 1991-92, anticipation of new software releases only lead to disappointment of unfinished , apparently untested products. I continued to buy though, fueled by optimism until about 1997. Since then, I can count the box sims that I've bought on two hands...in the last 2 years, I've bought 2 boxed sims/wargames, thats it, the rest of my time has been on online in AH.
I have a good understanding of what I like, so that limits my vulnerability. Now I just read reviews, and look at screen shots and if it's favorable, I'll buy it. I like flight sims, but I also like strat/tact and CRPGs. I never buy anything without reading the reviews.