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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MrLars on September 26, 2002, 12:12:06 PM
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...are boring, Ran into 2 of them last night. WTF run when you have a 2v1 advantage?
I could only imagine those two screaming like lil' gurls as they ran away from the fight
:p
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they might have turned back if you had said that on ch1.
:cool:
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I hate it when a plane gets notorious for running. Not because of when they run, but when they don't! Last night I'm cruising along in a 38 and get bounced by a high pony. He overshoots and I think "okay, I'll look like I'm chasing until he extends out of range." And THEN, he's NOT outrunning me...WTF? Still in triple-digit range? Going into a scissors??? WTF do I do now???? I really wasn't too sure what was going on, so I died. Thanks Rude.
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Classic example of why generalizations suck Ossie :)
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I belive the proper terminology is, Tactical Withdrawal. You'll see me do this a lot more then HT gives me my P-47N :D
Avid
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hehe the same thing happened to me! I am in a 190, a high fast pony bounces me so I just do a little evasion to keep up my e but make him zoom back. but this was an aggressive pony and didnt extend (who ever heard of an aggressive pony!??), he dumped his speed and I got blasted.
beemer
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Originally posted by AvidMC
I belive the proper terminology is, Tactical Withdrawal.
Avid
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Originally posted by Shane
they might have turned back if you had said that on ch1.
:cool:
I'm not one to talk smack on Ch1 but these guys got a "Boring 51 Dweeb" and a "Now run away, ok" from me on Ch1.
I know, I'll do better next time...the dark side is seducing me :D
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Originally posted by AvidMC
I belive the proper terminology is, Tactical Withdrawal. You'll see me do this a lot more then HT gives me my P-47N :D
Avid
Well, if I had any help up there I would say that it was a tactical withdrawal...but these guys ran after they each took 2 HO passes...and I mean run...we were at 20K and these guys, even though they had the 2v1 advantage, still tucked tail and dove for the deck, fricken lamers < tm Shane :) >
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For starters, Horn - Nice work!!!! The only flaw I can see in the artwork in the substitution on an F4U in place of the La-7. But this minor detail can be overlooked due to the comedy of the piece. Note, the artwork itself is still a bit low on quality and I would suggest contacting Urchin for a little help in that area.
Now on to the conversation at hand...Lars, a quick question before jumping to a conclusion.
1. What were you flying? (If the answer to this is LA-7 then you are a dweeb and I salute the pony drivers for frustrating you :D Oh and there will be no need to answer any further questions):D
2. What other AC were around when they engaged. Was there other enemy AC below them and you. If so then I would have done the same in hopes of drawing you away from friendlies and then killin ya. Unless of course you were in an LA-7, if so I salute them for frustrating you.
3. If they were in friendly territory and ran for no reason then they are dweebs and should be shot by there own countryman. Unless of course you were in an LA-7, if so I salute them for frustrating you.
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well, Avid, for a start
Horn didn't make that, it was made by dumer, ages ago, when the chog was free and seen alot.
and an answer to 1, 2, 3: what would an el-gay-7 be doing up at 20k?:rolleyes:
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plus, lars said he was in an f6.
i can speak as to why an la7 might be at 20k, tho...
proving that it can be effective up at alt, not the best, but effective if flown well.
:D
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well, Avid, for a start Horn didn't make that, it was made by dumer, ages ago, when the chog was free and seen alot.
I had a feeling that was going to be the answer. An update is needed, someone call Urchin!!!
and an answer to 1, 2, 3: what would an el-gay-7 be doing up at 20k?
Please see answer by the duly elected presedent of the BOoD just above this post.
Avid
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Originally posted by AvidMC
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Now on to the conversation at hand...Lars, a quick question before jumping to a conclusion.
1. What were you flying? (If the answer to this is LA-7 then you are a dweeb and I salute the pony drivers for frustrating you :D Oh and there will be no need to answer any further questions):D
I was in an F6F-5
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2. What other AC were around when they engaged. Was there other enemy AC below them and you. If so then I would have done the same in hopes of drawing you away from friendlies and then killin ya. Unless of course you were in an LA-7, if so I salute them for frustrating you.
The sky was clear for atleast 1/2 sector...just them and I.
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3. If they were in friendly territory and ran for no reason then they are dweebs and should be shot by there own countryman. Unless of course you were in an LA-7, if so I salute them for frustrating you.
They ran to A1...their base...funny thing was that they literally dove from 18-20K to the deck and IF I'm not mistaken, their wrists were hanging loose all the way down :)
Couple of panzies I tell ya
;)
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Hmmm.....two 51's don't run....they turn and fight....kill their opponents....both from the same squad....hmmmm....imagine that!
:)
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Originally posted by Rude
Hmmm.....two 51's don't run....they turn and fight....kill their opponents....both from the same squad....hmmmm....imagine that!
:)
LOL...yeah, I wish.
I only had time for a couple of quick fights last night, these two did nothing more than waste my time and test my temper, I will hunt them now
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Originally posted by Shane
plus, lars said he was in an f6.
i can speak as to why an la7 might be at 20k, tho...
proving that it can be effective up at alt, not the best, but effective if flown well.
Yeah, I killed ALF's 17K La7 1/2 minute before these dweebs tried their first HO...wasn't a true 3v1 'cause ALF died so quickley :D
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Originally posted by MrLars
I only had time for a couple of quick fights last night
Isn't that an oxymoron if you were up at 20K?
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I for one only extend when,out # by more than 2,bingo ammo, or damaged severly ie wing tip missing... besides that no reason to run....lets see what this guy has!
XAQUT
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Originally posted by BigGun
Isn't that an oxymoron if you were up at 20K?
I tend try to engage in quality fights where an unwanted intruder will have a hard time joining in, 20-22K is a nice alt to find those kind of fights.
Plus, well, the timing of my bodily functions shouldn't be an issue here :D
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Actually one benefit of extending when out numbered is that one of the bandits will follow, after all others have disapeared & the die hard is 1.5 back. its time to do it one on one.....so even though its 3 to 1 in the enemies favor you can get a fair match without going to the DA.....but i guess since i'm in the 51 its really not fair
XAQUT
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Originally posted by BenDover
well, Avid, for a start
Horn didn't make that, it was made by dumer, ages ago, when the chog was free and seen alot.
Yes, as I thought it was credited. Sorry if you missed that. We miss Duma!
and an answer to 1, 2, 3: what would an el-gay-7 be doing up at 20k?:rolleyes:
dh
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Why are dweebcats, dweebfires and other assorted turn-n-burners such whiners when others don't play their version of Quakes High? I mean how lame can you be to fly around chasing others around in circles all day? Seems about as lame and brainless as someone running on a hamster wheel.
Now- Before anyone gets bent out of shape by the above...
The point of the question is meant to demonstrate what a silly whine this thread is by making a statment equally as ludicrous.
Fly what you like, fly it the way you like, and don't let anyone dictate to you how you should fly ;).
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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Originally posted by dtango
Fly what you like, fly it the way you like, and don't let anyone dictate to you how you should fly ;).
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
spoken like a true master of the 20 mile extend and reverse when you have 15 buddies to help you kill the slow slow bogey you ran from.
:D
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Naw.. it's just like in real life. Those hooved cretins are never alone.
When a Pony "extends" away, I have no problem with that.
When it becomes a "rolleyes-situation" is when he comes back again, tries it again, then "extends" again. Then, the guy comes back with another P-51, and they do the same thing all over again.
Then, they both "extend away" again, and then comes back later, and brings yet another P-51 with them. The three planes try doing the same thing again, then "extends away" again, and finally, they don't come back.
After something like this is done, I watch my fuel guage and murmur "well, that was another fine waste of my 30 minutes" :)
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I myself dont understand how it is fun to stay alive...
For me Fun in this game is too go out where i can find many bogies and engage them all and this sort of a thing is what keeps me in AH. But i guess everyone has their own way of having fun.
But for me this is what i do. I roll and i probebly wont come back but hey as long as im happy im cool.
And there is a certain feeling you get after you kill 3 of the bogies that enaged you all at once and you came out of it alive, that adreline pumps. This is what i LOVE. =S=
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I miss 'Loose Rivets"
Hwkeye
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Originally posted by MrLars
...are boring, Ran into 2 of them last night. WTF run when you have a 2v1 advantage?
I could only imagine those two screaming like lil' gurls as they ran away from the fight
:p
Spit turners...
...are boring, Ran into 2 of them last night. WTF turn when you have a 2v1 advantage?
I could only imagine those two screaming like lil' gurls as they turn in a fight
P.S.
damn dweebs, flying the planes to their strengths !
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There also good p51 pilots
the stang is capable to do a dogfight
however my 38 shot 18 of them for just 3 losses :D
i almost drool when i see one
NB,Zaphod,midnight (some guys who knows how to drive it)
for the rest the stang is like a spitfire the first thing people think of when u have to think about a WO2 USA fighter.
so hordes of sheep drive it.
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Man... people that run in a p-51 just piss me off. They should be running in a real plane like a Dora.
:rolleyes:
AKDejaVu
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I'm trying to learn the p-51 and find that it's just not a great low e turnfighter at all. It's got a terrible stall temperment in loops and in low speed turns. That's probably why so many of them avoid a turnfight at all costs.
To put things into perspective for people who fly Spit 9, imagine that almost every plane you ran into in the arena was a A6M. Would you adjust your flying style to account for the fact that your plane has now become a B&Z plane?
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i hate it when lala7's run away from my p51,why do they run , why don't they turn and fight me, what a waste of time, why isn't the p51 faster, i think it should be faster and the la7 slower, why do spitys always turn when i get behind them ,don't they know it makes it hard for me to shoot them, mumble mumble mumble
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I have nothing against the "51 runners". However, some of the people who fly the P-51 in such a manner (15K-plus strict BnZ) should consider choosing a different aircraft.
Like a couple of 51's I faced today.....a HO attempt, extend out of icon range while his wingie makes a pass, then turn around to make another HO pass. I managed to get coalt with one of them and turned to give chase; although I was 1.7K out its pilot immediately dove for the deck. The other one simply left at this time despite still having a signifigant E advantage.
What's the POINT of flying the 51 is you're going to fly like that? The P-47/190A-8/Typhoon/F4U-1D is a lot better suited to that sort of strict BnZ. For a BnZ aircraft, the P-51 isn't very tough and has a smallish ammo load. Not saying you can't BnZ with a pony.....but if you do, you're definately not flying the plane to its strengths. The P-51 is better suited for a sort of cross between BnZ and E-fighting, where you stay within a couple thousand yards of your opponent and fight for position rather than HO's.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by Hwkeye
I miss 'Loose Rivets"
Hwkeye
This is the only thing of worth in this thread.
Unless you (speaking rhetorically now) are paying my AH bill you have nothing to say about how or what I fly. I also do not care what anyone else uses to play this game. Get a LIFE for crying out loud! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by J_A_B
Like a couple of 51's I faced today.....a HO attempt, extend out of icon range while his wingie makes a pass, then turn around to make another HO pass. I managed to get coalt with one of them and turned to give chase; although I was 1.7K out its pilot immediately dove for the deck. The other one simply left at this time despite still having a signifigant E advantage.
hehe, ain't that boring ;)
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Originally posted by Maverick
This is the only thing of worth in this thread.
Unless you (speaking rhetorically now) are paying my AH bill you have nothing to say about how or what I fly. I also do not care what anyone else uses to play this game. Get a LIFE for crying out loud! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Yup, I'll just call them on their dweebery on Ch1 from now on...just wish I could name names then so their countrymen will know who they can count on :D
BTW, I have a life and it's absolutly wonderful...thank you :p
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This thread is clearly about P-51 Runners that are boring.
The numerous FW-190 runners should be dealt with in a separate thread.
The hordes of LA-7 runners must be addressed in their own thread as well.
Spit runners and Spit turners would be best abused separately from one another and each in THEIR own thread as well.
In fact, any aircraft that is capable of sustained speeds in excess of 250 knots in level flight should be accused and demeaned in clear, specific threads that do not overlap.
Thank you for your courtesy in keeping this BBS well organized.
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Originally posted by dtango
Fly what you like, fly it the way you like, and don't let anyone dictate to you how you should fly ;).
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
Attempts to steal my signature line will be dealt with by a crack team of patent attorneys.
While you did try to disquise your blatant theft of my time-honored admonition, it's clear that the intent is the same and that is what I patented with the AH Patent Office a long time ago.
Consider this a "cease and desist" notification.
;)
How ya doin' T? Hope all is well.
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Originally posted by MrLars
Yup, I'll just call them on their dweebery on Ch1 from now on...just wish I could name names
that's what alt-r is for. the stand alone viewer *will* show names.
:D
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Originally posted by Shane
that's what alt-r is for. the stand alone viewer *will* show names.
:D
I was refering to being able to ID them and announce who the runners were in the game....
YaeasymodeLa7loudmouthedDWEEB :D
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alr- r..... 3-10 secs... alt-r.... look aorund, sky clear... alt-tab... click on AH film viewer icon.... open film... watch film... id lamers... close film and viewer, re-enter game... press / and type "ahhhh so them lamer running stang weenies w/o a clue were so and so... duuuhweeeebiiiieeees"
i do it alla time.
:D
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Toad- Oh is that where I got that from??? ;). Guess your siggy has done a wonderful job of subliminally brainwashing me! Actually I thought of your sig but couldn't remember what your exact words were so just I just paraphrased :D!
On another note whiners on ch 1 whining about someone running away can be classified in one of the following families of whiners:
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- dweebus idioticus - since they obviously have no grasp of air combat by maximizing the strengths of one plane and exploiting the weakenesses of the other
- dweebus immaturus - since they obviously resort to the laughable kindergarten technique of name calling to try and get a response
- dweebus insecuritus - since they obviously are really insecure individuals and aren't man enough to accept their own choices and goofs but need desperately to nurse their bruised over-sized egos by explaining them away
- dweebus napoleanus - since they obviously believe that they should dictate what someone else flies and how they should fly it
All in all as you can see these whiners are just a bunch of dweebs ;).
Just some food for thought ;).
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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Boy,,,,, How DARE anyone not fly the way mrlars WANTS them too. Doesn't every player know the game absolutely revolves around him?????:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
That's why he wants to tell everyone that another player isn't playing by the rules! Some life.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Tango, I believe you have summed it up nicely. I think in this case it is a case of dweebus magnus since he covers a couple of those categories you mentioned.
;)
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Shot down 28 p38's to only 4 losses in my pony Bug...I try not to drool when I am at my computer.. but often have difficulty with this regardless of what I'm doing..I'm not certain, but it might have something to do with my Denise Richards desktop theme.
Steve
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I like the p47 above 20k
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Originally posted by Shane
alr- r..... 3-10 secs... alt-r.... look aorund, sky clear... alt-tab... click on AH film viewer icon.... open film... watch film... id lamers... close film and viewer, re-enter game... press / and type "ahhhh so them lamer running stang weenies w/o a clue were so and so... duuuhweeeebiiiieeees"
i do it alla time.
:D
LOL, ya got it down to a science Shane :D
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Originally posted by Maverick
Boy,,,,, How DARE anyone not fly the way mrlars WANTS them too. Doesn't every player know the game absolutely revolves around him?????:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
That's why he wants to tell everyone that another player isn't playing by the rules! Some life.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Tango, I believe you have summed it up nicely. I think in this case it is a case of dweebus magnus since he covers a couple of those categories you mentioned.
;)
Ya know, public castigation worked to get me out of the La7, hopefully it will help these guys that run when they are at an advantage stay and fight, that could possibly make YOUR fights a bit more fun...ya think?
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The only problem in my fights are the CTD's which are still prevalent. I have no concern what ever about what anyone flies in any combat I am in. I just fly my plane the way I want and make my kills. Besides I find the fm2 to be as fun as te 51D. Both are handicapped in A2A combat in this game so I prefer the challenge.
I also don't clutter up Ch1 with juvinile drivel about the choice anyone else made in how THEY chose to play for their $15.00. I certainly don't start a thread dedicated to it either.
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Originally posted by Maverick
I also don't clutter up Ch1 with juvinile drivel about the choice anyone else made in how THEY chose to play for their $15.00. I certainly don't start a thread dedicated to it either.
So, why bother responding at all?
All you're doing is helping to keep this thread at the top since your little pokes at me have zero effect.
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I have had some good fights with the 13th tas so I cant say they run. But most other 51s run.
I have numerous occassions ran into hi 51s who bore and ZZZZZZZZZZ to regrab then just run away when loose the advantage or are pinged. I pop film on then check to see who it is. Lotsa times its the same group of folks.
My guys have had fights with toads 51 and other guys from the 13th tas that have been from the deck to 20k. The p51 is consistantly the most shot down plane in ah. I for a short time was in a 51 squad. Its great plane and can be fun. But theres a wide gap between those who are aggressive and those who fly timid.
My squad flies the d9 and get a good percentage of the d9 kills every tour. But the d9 last tour only had 2% of the total kills. But our kills in the d9 scew its numbers. So when you say "all the 190s that run" well their aint a whole lot of umm in comparison to p51s which get far more kills but rarely has a + k/d. So you could argue its flown more then its kills reflect.
I also noticed that the 13th Tas are the only 51 squad registered for the squad v squad tourney.
This part of the rules may have scared the others away.
Running: Running for an extended period of time to avoid an opponent is considered a forfeit for that particular flight. If you have to ask, "Is this considered running?", then YES you are running and need to turn around and get back in the fight.
:)
Toads right fly how you want but dont get upset when folks cal ya runstangs......
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hmm, how does this sound for a new phrase?
"Fly what you like,
I'll whine about what I dislike"
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Wotan:
Hmmm, let's see the D9 is one of the fastest planes in AH - faster even than the P-51. Come now, you can't be serious in suggesting D9's don't run.
I think I'll have to use your post as a model example of illustrating the meaning of the idiom "the pot calling the kettle black". ;)
You might do well to take a little of your own advice you're dishing out here about getting irritated with others calling the D9 the "hunstang". :D
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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I didnt say they didnt but the number d9s you see in the air in the main is considerably smaller then the number of 51s.
The 190d9 gets one of the highest k/ds in ah. My squad gets a huge percentage of the overall 190d9 kills.
The p51d is the most shot down aircraft in AH the past few tours. Its has a less then 1/1 k/d. This means quite a few sorties end up with out a kill for the 51.
This would indicate that the p51 is used more then its kill numbers would indicate. The opposite would be true for the d9.
The unperked fighters with the top 10 K/d from last tour are:
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- Fw 190D-9
- P-47D-11
- Fw 190A-5
- Typhoon IB
- F4U-1
- Fw 190A-8
- N1K2
- Ki-61
- La-7
- Bf 109G-10
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You can see all the 190s except the 190-f8 are in the top ten. But even all the 190 kills added together are still smaller then the p51d.
All the 190s (except f8) have a positive k/d. Which could indicate that the number of kills they get is skewed and the 190 usage is less then the number of kills they got last tour.
But you dont find 190s at 25k (performance really drops off). I do see 51s at 25k making bore and zzz runs then to just give up and run away.
Fly however you want and have fun just dont act as if what the originally poster said about p51 runners is not true. Dont deflect the issue to another plane whos overall usage is far less then a p51. For every 1 running d9 theres 5 or so p51s.
When folks call p51 runstangs, yes its a generalization, but its true.
Now I know every p51 guy is gonna post here that they dont run, or that every other plane runs more etc....Thats just alot of smoke.
I certainly dont think theres anything wrong with it. I usually can tell within in the 1st few minutes what kinda fight I am gonna have. If its Bore and ZZZ then re-grab 5k then extend beyond icon range and come back to bore and zzz me again I just leave.
Theres awesome 51 pilots out there, but you cant blame folks for calling it like they see it.
If doesnt apply to you well great, but 51s still run alot :)
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and JG 2 dont run ever, I remember a tod with 6 p51s above 20k and 4 190a5s at 17k. The 51s ran around and around finally bore and ZZZ us abit we reversed and killed umm all.
I even typed over channel after 5 min or so, "If you p51s dont wanna fight let us know". I was gonna rtb with still an hour to go in the frame. You can distort the issue but I have film of 412 guys with 4-6k advantage blowing it and running.
Like I said you all can play how you want its your time and money but dont say p51s dont run it flies in the face of the reality everyone in the main sees everyday.
The 412 are a good squad and but dont take it personnel, the skie is blue, the grass is green and a 25k runstang will run at the drop of hat. :) Just the way it is.
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Originally posted by Shane
i can speak as to why an la7 might be at 20k, tho...
proving that it can be effective up at alt, not the best, but effective if flown well.
:D
Cheater.
Ack-Ack
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I may be way off base here, but isnt the P-51 the default aircraft since it is plane number 1? If this is the case, then every newbie that gets in the game and just hits the fly button without going to the hangar or reading the directions gets dropped into a P-51, right? I know you have all seen it before...the new guy rolling P-51 after P-51 over and over at a base somewhere who dies about a dozen times before he even gets off the ground. Doesnt this in some way affect the K/D of the Pony?
I got an idea....lets make the D-9 the default aircraft for a tour and see what happens when the situation is reversed.
:D
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Originally posted by dtango
Why are dweebcats, dweebfires and other assorted turn-n-burners such whiners when others don't play their version of Quakes High? I mean how lame can you be to fly around chasing others around in circles all day? Seems about as lame and brainless as someone running on a hamster wheel.
Now- Before anyone gets bent out of shape by the above...
The point of the question is meant to demonstrate what a silly whine this thread is by making a statment equally as ludicrous.
Fly what you like, fly it the way you like, and don't let anyone dictate to you how you should fly ;).
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
I don't see it really telling someone how to fly, I think Lars is just trying to tell these guys to find their balls and fight period. And he's right, BnZer's are boring fighters with no imagination and probably social outcasts as well.
Here's a 9 minute and 7 second film of pure boredom. Maybe the FW190 in the film was trying to shoot me down by making me fall asleep and augering. It's a good example of why people ridicule and basically taunt those that just 'extend' which we all know really means tuck tail and run home to mommy.
Fight of the Sedatives (http://www.hispanicvista.com/ahfilms/film181.ahf)
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by sling322
I may be way off base here, but isnt the P-51 the default aircraft since it is plane number 1? If this is the case, then every newbie that gets in the game and just hits the fly button without going to the hangar or reading the directions gets dropped into a P-51, right? I know you have all seen it before...the new guy rolling P-51 after P-51 over and over at a base somewhere who dies about a dozen times before he even gets off the ground. Doesnt this in some way affect the K/D of the Pony?
I got an idea....lets make the D-9 the default aircraft for a tour and see what happens when the situation is reversed.
:D
nope, its the 109g10
at least for me anyway
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comon sling you dont believe do ya?
It aint noobs in a pack of 3 or 4 at 25 26k, I pop film just so I can see who they are when they run.
But dont take wrong fly how ever the heck ya want. But say that what the original poster said is wrong because we all know better.
Certainly dont deflect the issue, n00bs maybe responsible for the fact that the p51 is the most shot down plane in ah but not for the runnin. :)
I have no problem how folks wanna fly. Its up to them to decide how they wanna have fun. But if it bothers them when someone calls umm runners then they need a thicker skin.
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watched your film akak that wasnt bnz and the start of your film he was lower then you.
He just didnt try to execute a proper reverse you piged him a bunch he extended and and came back to fight. I never heard of that guy dar but your film has no bearing on what I was talking about.
Planes which rely on speed need to use that speed to extend and reverse. Theres nothing wrong with that and I wouldnt consider that running whether it was a 190 or any plane.
Running would have been him just extending and kept on going until he got to friendlies or waited until you got bored of following then comes back to do it again.
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Here is the final word on this subject! Any bird that is fast will use it to its advantage,period runstang just happens to be a catch phrse you hear cause it rolls off the tongue smoothly,la7's run,d9's run,who gives a rats patute,just a game.Any time you come across a faster plane there is a chance they are gonna run,if ya dont like runners then fly the 262!
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Here is the final word on this subject! Any bird that is fast will use it to its advantage,period runstang just happens to be a catch phrse you hear cause it rolls off the tongue smoothly,la7's run,d9's run,who gives a rats patute,just a game.Any time you come across a faster plane there is a chance they are gonna run,if ya dont like runners then fly the 262!
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wow double post...I thought i said final word.....LOL
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Originally posted by Wotan
watched your film akak that wasnt bnz and the start of your film he was lower then you.
He just didnt try to execute a proper reverse you piged him a bunch he extended and and came back to fight. I never heard of that guy dar but your film has no bearing on what I was talking about.
Planes which rely on speed need to use that speed to extend and reverse. Theres nothing wrong with that and I wouldnt consider that running whether it was a 190 or any plane.
Running would have been him just extending and kept on going until he got to friendlies or waited until you got bored of following then comes back to do it again.
We were both coalt at 25k, it took me 15 minutes to grab to his alt because he was shadowing me since I took off. I would have started the film then but it would have been a mind numbing 30 minutes long.
Ack-Ack
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So let me see that I understand what you're saying Wotan...
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- The P-51 has less than a 1.0 K/D ratio for tour 31. I'll ignore the stats that show P-51D with a 1.037 and P-51B with a 1.11 k/d ratio then.
- Let's see from Tour 31 a less then 1.0 K/D ratio demonstrates that P-51's "run" more than any other aircraft. So I guess that means Spitfire V's and F6F's run from fights too then as well? Wow - that's nifty logic.
- A K/D ratio above 1.0 for the D9 demonstrates that D9's run less than P-51's. Wow so that means Me 262's and Tempests run the least out of all the planes since they have such a high K/D ratio.
- Everyone should recognize the superiority of your squad in D9's. Thanks for broadcasting that to the community though I have to admit I must be pretty dense since I'm not quite sure how the greatness of squads relates to the topic.
OK maybe the above was a little harsh :D but before we all start taking this too seriously, let me make a couple of statements:
As for me I don't mind being called a runstang (especially since it means I'm probably frustrating the heck out of someone else :D ). I'm not the Red Baron and if I've met my match or have blown it I'll use whatever strengths my plane has to get out of the situation. And I would expect any reasonable person to do the same with whatever aircraft they're flying. (Sometimes getting out of disadvantaged situations is just as fun as anything else! :D )
Lucky has summed it up nicely in his post above. My point was by poking fun at those who are whining to point out that whining about others running in fast planes makes as much sense as those in fast planes whining about being killed by the really good turn fighters (a la Spits and N1K2's etc.).
Oh, and BTW Wotan - you guys do have a good squad ;).
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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Now you are going words games and make up your meaning to what I said.
I said that for you to say "what about all all those 190d9s that run". My reply is that you exagerate "with all those 190d9s". I then said that the d9s percentage of kills per sortie , which is far less then the p51s, skew its numbers and that in fact fewer d9 sorties produce more kills. Therefore you will see fewer d9s then its percentage of kills would indicate.
The opposite is true for the p51. The p51 gets far less kills per sortie and therefore its usage is greater then what its kill percentage per tour would indicate.
Are you following this?
So in comparison you will see many many more p51s then d9s. Since my squad gets a huge percentage of the d9 kills this skews the d9 numbers even more so. This means far fewer instances of 190d9s runners per tour.
Some may run but like I said for every 1 190 you see per tour theres probrably over 5 p51 runners you will see.
Its a fact known by anyone in AH that 51s run. Dont try and deflect that by saying "well what about the xxx planes that run".
Those "xxx" planes aren't nearly as "used" as the p51. No other plane type has the reputation as a runner like the 51 has. Its a reputation that has been earned.
I have seen your guys run, I have seen other p51s run. So has the originally poster and others. It happens quite a bit. Deflect, deny, distort all you want. Its a proven fact p51s are runners.
Again I know all you 51 pilots are going to post who you never run etc........ Save your breath if my statements dont apply to you thats great.
Again I dont care how anyone flies, thats your choice but dont say 51s dont run, or that any other planes runs as much as they do. Because we both know thats not true.
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In my experience the P-51D and La-7 are most likely to turn tail and run when they lose the advantage.
By run I'm using Wotan's definition. They flee until you get bored and break off, then they come back or until they join up with a bunch of friendlies. They aren't simply extending so that they have the distance to reverse. They're running until they see you break off, then they come back, seemingly hoping that you won't notice and will be flying nice and level and easy kill.
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"No other plane type has the reputation as a runner like the 51 has."
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
HAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHA
HAHAHA.....haha......HAHAHAHA HHAHAH
This comment comming from, of all people, someone who spends a lot of time flying a 190D-9--which is likely the most consistent runner of all planes in AH, even moreso than the P-51's (although I encounter more 51's the Dora pilots run as much if not more consistently than 51 pilots will.
If you like numbers Wotan, consider that MY K/D is roughly 3 times yours....my K/S is about double yours, and my K/T is higher than yours as well. If stats "prove" that a certain plane/pilot flies a certain way, than you MUST run more often than I do :)
You RUNNER you! :p
(Of course, stats/scores mean absolutely nothing, but since Wotan tried to toot his own horn I felt obligated to respond in kind heh heh heh).
In reality? A plane that CAN run, WILL, if it needs to (and sometimes when it doesn't). This applies to LA7's, 51's, 190G-10's, Doras and A/F-8's, Yak's, F4U's, P-47's, pretty much anything that's fighting something slower than it. I've seen Spitfires and N1K2's run away plenty of times. Whether a plane WILL run is more dependant on the guy at the controls than what model it is. I don't think there IS such a thing as a "runner plane".....the problem is "runner pilots". Heck, even running isn't bad if the guy running has a good reason to (I can hardly blame a low/slow 190 for trying to run from 5 Spits).....what I think this thread is about are the guys--and we see them in all planes--who run away even when they have the advantage, who have no agression whatsoever and are clearly afraid to press the fight.
And, when you think about it, the problem is likely made worse because "advice" commonly given to newbies is often along the lines of "don't fight unless you have the absolute advantage" and "it's stupid to fight higher planes" and such....
J_A_B
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Wotan, you toot your squads horn enough that I thought I'd look at some numbers...considering that I fly the pony primarily. With all your chest thumping and text about pony pilots, "timid", "runners".. "Bore and zzzzzz" I thought I'd compare the numbers of your individual pilots to mine.. a pony pilot in his third month of flying this game. all your talk about how you guys don't run.. bnz or blah blah blah....I thought, "Wow, these guys must be some of the best pilots in the game."
Well, since you brought up k/d and kills per sortie.. let's look at those... oh heck... of your entire squad, just one guy has a better k/d than me... his name is Heinkel. WTG Heinkel... maybe there is something to what Wotan is saying..even if only ONE of his vaunted pilots in their fabulous D9's has a better k/d than me in my pony. Oh wait... looking closer we find that Heinkel has the vast majority of kills in jap turnfighters.... not the D9.. gosh there goes that theory. Well let's look at kills per sortie... Oh my.. NOT ONE of your fantastic D9 pilots has a kill per sortie even close to mine. Gee Wotan, what do these number mean? Take your time and come up with something clever if ya like.. but the bottom line is your gross stereotype about pony pilots is sadly inaccurate. Additionally, if you're going to stick with your intimation that D9 pilots, your squad included, BnZ less than pony pilots do then you need to come fly in the same arena the rest of us do.
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The only reason I fly the A6M5 is becuase I enjoy CV battles a lot. The only Axis plane (fighter) off the CV is the A6M5 or A6M2. A6M2 isn't too usefull in MA, so I take the A6M5.
Just gonna roud these here:
Kills in:
A6M5: 110
Ta152: 60
109F: 15
109E: 5
109G-10: 70
109G-2: 15
110G-2: 35
190A-5: 25
190A-8: 25
190D-9: 70
190F: 5
Me262: 5
Yak9T: 20
So to sum things up
Kills in Jap planes: 110
Kills in LW planes: 330
Kills in VVS planes: 20
By far, I fly LW planes more than anything. Just beaucse A6M is at the top of the "kill stats" list, and is the first thing you see, doesn't mean thats all i fly.
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My comments surely weren't intended as a slight to you by any stretch. If you took it as such, I apologize. I was really just comparing your d9 kills to your zeke kills. Happy Hunting.
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My zeke skills = not much.About 80 of them are vulches, usually by the time I get to the base, it's a vulchfest, so I just join in. Can recall 2-3 x15 kill vulch sorties. With the kills/hour stuff. Most of my planes are messed up. If you look back, it's pretty much been the same. For some reason I have everything scored under attack. I did this because when i was a newbie I always seemed to run into tanks, but be in fighter mode, so I never got credit for the kill. I then just set everything to attack, so no matter what I ran into, I would get credit. Gonna fix this next tour.
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it means vulch a lot steve bfd :rolleyes:
Lets look at kills per hour.
my kill per hour Kills / Hour 6.12
yours 6.84
my attack kill per hour 9
yours 4.68
That .72 kills more per hour while I am over 5 kills per hour more in attack.
my time online 44:24:02
yours 93:35:41
The rest of those stats mean nothing except ya vulch bit and have no life. Geesh almost 100 hours online.
The thing I brought up about the d9 overall kills was used in the context to show that total kill percentage per tour is misleading if you are trying to get an idea of usage. You follow that?
Its apparent that convincing yourself you are "good" at a computer game means something to you. The fact you invest nearly 100 hours online is evident enough that you might need a break.
But none of this has to do with the topic.
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Originally posted by Steve
Oh my.. NOT ONE of your fantastic D9 pilots has a kill per sortie even close to mine. Gee Wotan, what do these number mean? Take your time and come up with something clever if ya like.. but the bottom line is your gross stereotype about pony pilots is sadly inaccurate. Additionally, if you're going to stick with your intimation that D9 pilots, your squad included, BnZ less than pony pilots do then you need to come fly in the same arena the rest of us do.
LOL Steve...talk about gross stereotyping. ;)
Are you saying that becuase YOU have better a k/d ratio than most of 3/JG2 that P-51's don't run more than other planes?:p Okay, this time it's your logic that doesn't make sense mate. :rolleyes:
3/JG2 doesn't fly exclusively for stats. We fly to be effective. We don't fly one plane exclusive either. We fly which plane is appropriate for attacking a base, fighter sweep, or whatever.
I don't think Wotan ever said the we do not BnZ. What he was saying is that we do not simply run when we BnZ and we don't get the kill compared to the numerous accounts of P-51's. :D
Please keep in mind that you might fly the P-51 and do it well. Big for that. You might not run. Big for that also. :D That only means that you fly it well and do not run...not everyone else.
Please also keep in mind there are more reports of P-51's with numbers advantage that run than there are of d9's. ;)
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Runstang and run-90 dweebs arguing over who runs the most......hehehe i like this thread.:D This one gets 5 stars:)
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Drunky is correct BnZ has nothing to do with running. Nor does "E" fighting. Karnak gave an accurate description of what I was saying.
Read his post.
I also added a disclaimer to my posts that if you dont or claim you dont run then my comments do not apply to you. Which part of that didn't you get?
gross stereotype about pony pilots is sadly inaccurate
It most definately is a stereotype but like all styreotypes they are some what based on fact. Just this stereotyope is more factual then most others.
I also made it clear several times that I care not how folks choose to fly. Thats totally up to them. Run, TnB, suicide jabo or whatever just get a thicker skin when someone points it out.
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You're insults of me, while off the mark.. are almost amusing. Actually, I don't vulch any more than the next guy..maybe even less so now that I'm a rook. Of course you write that I vulch because it seems inconceivable to you that anyone not in your squad, especially in a pony, could get kills "legitimately". Typically our low #'s means we're defensive more than offensive. Not always of course..but more often than not. If it's apparent to you that I'm trying to convince myself I'm "good" here is yet another indication of your poor judgement. You are the one that brought up stats like k/d, kills per sortie. I merely compared the stats you were using as the basis of your point. When these stats worked against you, you changed your argument to time on line and kills per hour, with a personal insult or two for kicks. A commendable attempt to continue the debate yet it's a crystal clear indication that you've lost the point. As for kills per hour.. I usually go to attack mode only when doin somethin silly or one of sure death so really the only stat that matters there is k/d in fiters.. oh ya, mine's higher than yours...you won't like that. Since you decided to get personal and talk about me "getting a life" because i play AH so much.. let's look at you in the same light.
Hmmm tour 14 you spent 129 hours, tour 15 you spent 117, tour 16 you spent 117 as well. So it seems my busiest month so far is significantly less than several of yours... I didn't bother to check all of yours.. my point was made after I found the first one.. finding three just drives it home.
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So what's wrong with pointing out that D-9's have just as much of a "runner reputation" as P-51's have? :)
J_A_B
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Well let's look at kills per sortie... Oh my.. NOT ONE of your fantastic D9 pilots has a kill per sortie even close to mine. Gee Wotan, what do these number mean? Take your time and come up with something clever if ya like.. but the bottom line is your gross stereotype about pony pilots is sadly inaccurate. Additionally, if you're going to stick with your intimation that D9 pilots, your squad included, BnZ less than pony pilots do then you need to come fly in the same arena the rest of us do.
Actually bud... this fantastic Dora pilots K/S is pretty darn close to yours. When I checked it was 2.76 (you) vs 2.75 (me). Close in my book anyway.
Don't think I've ever fought you, so I can't make real accurate observations as to how good you are. I can say that your K/T is lower than mine, and I'm a pretty cautious pilot in the MA under most circumstances. I don't think that a 'gross stereotype' of P51s as 'runners' is really all that innaccurate. Course, quite a few Doras run too, so it does cut both ways.
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Kicks open the lawn chair and grabs a cold one...
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My pardon... I know your gang doesn't fly strictly for numbers.. was just using them as a point of debate since it was the data being referred to. Let me be plain: Your squad is a fine group of sticks and for the most part a pleasure to fly with. I could have made my point in a different slant.. I certainly didn't intend to belittle your gang.. had the pleasure of flying with them as a knight and I felt that your squad was an excellent group. I was merely trying to offer a counterpoint to the 51 argument and to Wotans assertions about the D9. Unfortunately, the debate has gotten ugly, but from what I've experienced, this is quite typical of Wotan..quick to argue, quick to get personal, quick to insult if he doesn't like the way a conversation is going.
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We have encountered each other once as far as I know, I shot you down. Wait wait wait... don't fret.. it was in a furball in which we were both engaged with multiple contacts and certainly not a reflection of my skills against yours. Our stats do seem quite close, I stand...or sit as this case may be, corrected :)
I am merely trying to make the point that the "51 runner" thing is blown out of proportion.. I'm confident that there are just as many la7 and d9 runners(in ratio to total numbers) as ponies... there are just many more ponies out there than these other planes...odd too... I have flown the D9 some in my brief tenure here.. seems like a great ride..sturdier and more lethal than the pony.
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Originally posted by Karnak
In my experience the P-51D and La-7 are most likely to turn tail and run when they lose the advantage.
By run I'm using Wotan's definition. They flee until you get bored and break off, then they come back or until they join up with a bunch of friendlies. They aren't simply extending so that they have the distance to reverse. They're running until they see you break off, then they come back, seemingly hoping that you won't notice and will be flying nice and level and easy kill.
Just posting for reference :D
Good definition for the original subject of this post :eek:
Other planes run too is not an argument. That sounds like middle school rationalization. Just because other do it does not mean a) that you don't do it more and b) that it's okay to do it. :confused:
I think J_A_B also has a good point...It's the pilot more than the plane. I believe that the P-51 is good at high altitudes, carries substantial armament and handles speed well. :D
Please remember, it's easy to gain alt, find a con and drop on him ;) but it's harder to miss and then engage when you lose that alt/E/speed advantage :p
BTW...Steve, please break up your text with 'Enter' from time to time...it's hard on the eyes mate :p :p :p
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Oh yea, I'd agree that just as many Doras run in proportion to their total numbers as Pony's. Just more Pony's in the MA is all.
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Im a runner but hell, the P51 aint at fault! I run in everything :D
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No Comment.
Kicks open the lawn chair and grabs a cold one...
Pass 1 over poopster...
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Thanks for the lessons..again some time?
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Woa, ummm, I didn't start this to get a XX plane runs more than XX plane debate going. If one is in a fast plane and finds himself at a disadvantage then there's nothing wrong with turning tail and gettin' outta Dodge IMO.
My original post came out of frustration and bewilderment at why 2 P51's would turn tail and run from a fight above 20K against a lone F6F where they had the advantage...nothing more...well, maybe to get the message across that running when you have the advantage is not the way to rack up kills :D
Hell, when I see a P51, La7 or 190 I take it for granted they won't turn and fight to my planes strengths...so I just try to make sure I either save my E and try to equalize or, in most cases, play his game but a bit smarter than him so I can catch him on the zoom. Either way is fine for me since I have absolutly no trouble catching most of them and sending them back to the tower;)
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Runstang and run-90 dweebs arguing over who runs the most......hehehe i like this thread. This one gets 5 stars
LOL
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I am not gonna keep repeating myself and if some of yas cant understand what it is I have said in all my previous replies then theres nothing I can do.
No one said other planes dont run.
The reference I gave to my squad and the 190 was to show that % of kills per tour are not an indication of usage. The 190d9 is flown less then its kills % per tour indicates, while the opposite is true for the p51. See my replies above.
There are far more 51s in the arena then most other planes. Lotsa of umm run (see karnaks post for a good description of "running"). If that offends you, so what.
Steve you seem to think I care about your scores of even your skillz. I could careless.
But to clear some stuff up, I dont fly the d9 more then any other plane. I just have more kills in it. I fly every lw plane in AH. From the ju88 to the arado to the 109e4 to the 262. The only exception is occassionally I use the zeke for base defense and I flew 2 sorties in the dhog this tour because my squad is facing a Navy squad in the 1st round of the squad v squad tourney.
(http://personal.jax.bellsouth.net/jax/t/y/tyr88/Screens/Clipboard.jpg)
I spend more "time" in the g6 then any other plane. Its slow and I only fly it with 30mm. I also deack and attack ground objects while in fighter mode. So you may be convinced that your k/d of 5 only flying a 51 makes you great and my small k/d of 4 makes me terrible all you want. I am at best mediocre so comparing your skillz to mine hardly means much.
None of this has anything to do with this thread. Deny , deflect, distort all you want. The facts are you are much likely to have a 51 run (again I refer you to karnaks post) then any other plane.
If this doesnt apply to you great, but its still true.
Also, I make no judgement how any of you fly but dont deny what the original poster was saying. Because we all know its true.
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"more likely to have a 51 run than any other plane"
Depends on how you mean that. If you mean that tne average P51 is more likely to run away than the average 190, I'd say you're mistaken.
However, if you suspect that if you encountry a runner plane in the MA it'll most likely be a P51 (since the 51 is more numerous than the 190), then you're right.
Bit of a failure to communicate in this thread :)
J_A_B
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If you mean that tne average P51 is more likely to run away than the average 190, I'd say you're mistaken.
No thats not what I said at all. :(
I never said every 51 pilot runs or that the average p51 pilot runs more.
I did say in each thread that there are 51 pilots who fight and are great. I also said several times that if my statements dont apply to you then thats great. I never said other planes dont run.
The point in all my posts in this thread was to say:
Since there are so many more 51s flown that folks are more likely to encounter a p51 who runs then say a 190d9.
Thats not to say 190s dont run or any plane doesnt run.
I also gave a definition what I consider running. The guy who comes in with the advantage Bore N' ZZZ (not Boom and Zoom) then extends all the way out of icon range to come back over and over hoping to catch you not paying attention. As soon as you respond to him he extends again.
Running from a disadvantaged position, withdrawing to re position are not what I call "running". Using your speed or e advantage to create seperation is not running.
You can no more call a guy using his speed and climb a dweeb any more then you can call a zeke or spit dweebs for using angles. .
I fly the planes I do to their strengths and I assume others do as well.
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"No thats not what I said at all. "
Sorry for the misunderstanding. In my last post I tried to say I figured out that you didn't mean what some of us had taken you to mean, but I see that my last post is filled with bad spelling and grammar errors and has a paragraph missing; I must have screwed it up somehow before posting it. It'd be hard to make any sense at all out of the remaining gibberish heh heh heh.
To correctly phrase what I was trying to say:
It seemed to some of us that you were suggesting that the average 51 driver is more of a wimp than the average 190 driver.
What you were REALLY saying is you're more likely to encounter a runner 51 than a runner 190 because more people fly 51's in the MA, and weren't really picking at relative pilot skills at all.
Classic internet-induced failure to communicate :)
J_A_B
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What you were REALLY saying is you're more likely to encounter a runner 51 than a runner 190 because more people fly 51's in the MA, and weren't really picking at relative pilot skills at all.
Thats it :)
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Ahhhhh....closure :D
Now for a big group hug ;) :p ;) :p
LOL
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Awright! Just who the f*** gave me that wedgie?
Never gonna hug a group of pearshaped computer geeks again ;)
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Runners, runners everywhere and not a race to run.
Who gives a rat's bellybutton about who runs and who doesn't. I run when I loose advantage because that's what my plane of choice can do.
What do guys in A6Ms, Spits and Hurricanes do when they loose advantage? Umm.. TURN.. TURN.. and TURN again... Gee.. maybe because that is what their plane does the best.
You're not going to race a Ferrari in a Ford Escort, and your not going to put a Ferrai in a demolition derby. Why should you try to turn fight a P-51 in an outnumbered situation? You aren't going to win.
The whole stigma is so lame now anyway especially in the MA where N1Ks and LA7s have the uber powers. The only reason you don't see LA7s running more often is they accelerate like rockets, turn better than most, and have 20mm cannons. If P-51s had that, they wouldn't need to run either.
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Originally posted by Wotan
I also gave a definition what I consider running. The guy who comes in with the advantage Bore N' ZZZ (not Boom and Zoom) then extends all the way out of icon range to come back over and over hoping to catch you not paying attention. As soon as you respond to him he extends again.
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now that sounds to me like the LW super plane known as the ME262 , how come the ME262 NEVER wants to turn fight me , they just run run run then try to sneak back in and bounce me.
i have an opinion of people who ONLY fly LW planes
44MAG
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When there are 200 perks on the line, people are naturally gonna fly more safe, and try not to get killed. The 262 was not meant to go out and turn fight enemy fighters. Anyway, which do you see more often? a 262 or p51? I have fought a few good p51 piolts, then I have fought many dweeby ones. The good ones stay and fight. The bad ones start at 25k, then as soon as they loose any advantage, they run. And I am not talking about extending, I mean RTB running or run till they run into high freidnly, and then turn around "as if they were brave." I am not saying that the p51 is the only plane that runs, just the one that runs from me (and other people i talk to) most often.
Not saying there aren't any good p51 piolts out there, because there are, I just don't run into them while flying.
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Ok.........question
A good 51 pilot fights the way the other player thinks he should?
or
A bad 51 pilot fights the way he thinks he should?
Is that how we difine good and bad 51 pilots?
Just curious:)
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A good runstang dweeb willstart with a 10k advantage and shoot you down. A bad runstang dweeb will start with a 10k alt advantage make a pass, screw up and runaway back to base.
Does that make it clear for you dweebs.:D
Please feel free to swap runstang with-
run-90
run-09
damn sissy boy la7 dweeb
and and any other fast plane that you can think of.
P.S. can someone please find a nickname for the la7 with something to do with running.:)...........ooo i got 100th post- where's my prize?:D
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This goes for pretty much all planes (and it's just IMO)
A good piolt will stay and fight
A bad piolt will run to the nearest group of friednly planes, then come back and fight as if he is brave or somthing
Just my .02
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I'm with ya now dude... wasn't clear what you were tryin to get across...thought you meant that your average 51 stick is more likely to run than your average d9 stick..it has been my position that they are probably about the same... but on a sheer numbers basis, as you have now made clear to me,(not saying it wasn't clear to our more astute readers...just that it wasn't clear to my own humble and limited intellect) there are more pony runners.
As for our skills.. dude I was comparing numbers since it was the basis of the discussion, certainly not skills...I'm a noob and fly like one so I've no doubt you have a much higher degree of skill than I. Also, thanks for 'splaining whacha meant by bore and zzz as compared to BnZ.
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Originally posted by Heinkel
This goes for pretty much all planes (and it's just IMO)
A good piolt will stay and fight
A bad piolt will run to the nearest group of friednly planes, then come back and fight as if he is brave or somthing
Just my .02
A good pilot will exploit the strengths of his plane and the weakness's of the enemy plane. If that means extending and not turn fighting a turn fighter in an energy plane then that is the SMART thing to do. Giving the enemy the advantage over your own plane and fighting HIS fight is not the mark of a good pilot. It's the sign of a poor pilot.
To put it in RL perspective, pilots flying US planes were told NOT to turn with the Zero, for good reason. They were to use BnZ tactics and exploit their planes strengths of speed and dive over the zero's turn ability. The pilots that did that were the good ones. The bad ones didn't come back. :rolleyes:
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I agree, extending is necessary in many cases. Just know the difference between extending 2.0k away from the enemy and turning back to engage, and running to the next sector where 10 friendlys are then going back to fight.
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Originally posted by Heinkel
Just know the difference between extending 2.0k away from the enemy and turning back to engage, and running to the next sector where 10 friendlys are then going back to fight.
There's something to be said about the pilot who blindly chases a bandit smack into that horde of enema.....I'm sure more than a few here have a 'colorfull' name for such a person :)
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psssst..tak..
Here ya go Wldthing.. Cheers
Things are winding down here, but the hotdogs are just about up
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If someone wants to engage the enemy in virtual air to air combat or just make aerial strafing runs it's his choice . But if he doesn't practice fighting from a disadvantage it will catch up to him where it counts .
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A good pilot also has to gloat.
(but ofcourse, gloating pilots are not necessarily good pilots.)
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Originally posted by Kweassa
A good pilot also has to gloat.
See? Another reason that Drex sucks.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I fought Drex once... I had advantage on his F6.. he caused me to overshoot then killed me at about 850 yards and pullin away fast.....kicked my bellybutton quick lol
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Exactly.
There is a certain pony squad which practises the one-pass-then-run-like-crap move in AH. 9/10 ponies are ok, then I come across these guys and can spot them almost immediately. I've been in situations where, because there was 3 of them and 1 of me, they stuck around, and in one instance all 3 of them went burning to the deck.
Compare this with the 13th TAS NASA High Altitude Research squad, who will enage 1 on 1. They can kick arse, and in when in numbers clear the air pretty damn quick and have some nice squad moves.
Some people 'think' they are playing smart, but they ain't.
Then again every AH aircraft has its 'cliches':
- Niki's and Spit's with "ROPE ME" tatoo'd to their foreheads
- P38s and Tiffies that fly right past you to perform a kamekazi dive on the field hangar (you know the one where you choose your plane) immediately giving you two free kills and acheiving no tactical gain
- La7s that spend so much time blacked-out the easiest way to kill em is too lead em into a hill
- Ponies that climb to 40k for Satellite recovery missions
- 109s modelled on lawn darts
- Jug pilots who ductape their fire button coz 'they can'
- 190 pilots who do the roll and roll and roll and roll and roll
Originally posted by Samm
If someone wants to engage the enemy in virtual air to air combat or just make aerial strafing runs it's his choice . But if he doesn't practice fighting from a disadvantage it will catch up to him where it counts .
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I chuckle when people try to excuse their timid style of flying in the MA by saying that's the way it was in done in RL. "Never engage without the advantage" is the usual mantra. Fine in the MA but in RL, many times you didn't have any choice. There are thousands of stories of guys diving into situations totally outmanned and at a disadvantage. Imagine how popular you would be with friendlies in RL who needed your help after you "extended" from a con who had an advantage...."Hang in there, I'll be back in a few minutes. I have to extend and grab a little alt".
bowser
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For those that don't have the time to read this thread (it isn't worth the effort, trust me), I will summarize it for you:
Luftpotatos say, "Pee Fiffty Runs are chickens"
Ponydweebs say, "FW Run Ninety Dorkas are gutless potatos"
Wotan says, "JG 2 is bestest squad in game"
Urchin says, "I am a very good Dorka pilot"
Steve says, "The ponies don't run, everyone else backs away"
Well, I say that this thread is lame and so are the stupid lamer posts in it. Yes, even this one.
Here is a dollar people, go buy a clue:
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Wotan says, "JG 2 is bestest squad in game"
I understand you are a math major but you may want to re-read the thread and quote where I said any such thing. Nor did any of the other folks you quoted say the things you attributed to them.
All the idiocy in this thread has been climaxed by the last thread. There really is no need to mischaracterize what you read above. People can read it and make their own judgement.
Save your dollar for some reading comprehension leasons. :p
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Wotan,
The funniest and most idiotic thing in this thread is not my post. It is how bad your titties get twisted by a single post by someone who you consider an idiot.
If you would like, I can point out the exact points in this thread where the above statements were said. But since you are so good at reading comprehension, you should be able to see them before someone as stupid and unintelligent as myself does.
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Do it, dont talk about. No where did I say jg 2 was the greatest squad.
And yes your purposeful mischaracterization of what folks in this thread were saying is more idiotic then anything else in this post.
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My take on the jist of this thread, is that any dweeb that does not fly as you would prefer is a love muffin and coward.
There seems to be a feeling that if others did what you want, your enjoyment of the game would increase.
Guess what? The object of the game is to deny someone else their fun. Either by killing them or not allowing them to kill you.
If we are fighting and I run away and you don't get the kill, HAHAH, ef you, you lose. If we are fighting and I kill you, HAHAH, ef you, you lose. See joy for me, none for you. That is the beauty of the game.
Of course the converse is true and I hate that.
F.
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Ok, here you go:
My squad flies the d9 and get a good percentage of the d9 kills every tour. But the d9 last tour only had 2% of the total kills. But our kills in the d9 scew its numbers
and:
and JG 2 dont run ever, I remember a tod with 6 p51s above 20k and 4 190a5s at 17k. The 51s ran around and around finally bore and ZZZ us abit we reversed and killed umm all.
Now I guess I shouldn't have used the word "said" in my post. I should have used the word "implied." I guess I am an evil ignorant love muffin. Shame on me.
As for Urchin:
Actually bud... this fantastic Dora pilots K/S is pretty darn close to yours. When I checked it was 2.76 (you) vs 2.75 (me). Close in my book anyway.
I guess I could have misunderstood Urchin's use of the word fantastic. I always thought that it meant "good" or "exceptional." I guess in this case it means "crappy" or "horrible."
Seriously, how do you get your nipples torqued over something like my post? My use of incorrect grammar and stupid names for everyone I would have thought showed the intentions of my post. I guess not.
Earlier in this thread, you suggested that Steve needs a life because he spent close to 100 hours online. Maybe you need to find reality and the world at large if you let something like my post get your panties bunched up around your neck.
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My squad flies the d9 and get a good percentage of the d9 kills every tour. But the d9 last tour only had 2% of the total kills. But our kills in the d9 scew its numbers
Keep it in context. I also said this as well.
The reference I gave to my squad and the 190 was to show that % of kills per tour are not an indication of usage. The 190d9 is flown less then its kills % per tour indicates, while the opposite is true for the p51. See my replies above.
Comprehend that now?
and JG 2 dont run ever, I remember a tod with 6 p51s above 20k and 4 190a5s at 17k. The 51s ran around and around finally bore and ZZZ us abit we reversed and killed umm all.
This was a jab at Tango, now where do I say we are the "bestest".
As I said a "mischaracterization".
Actually bud... this fantastic Dora pilots K/S is pretty darn close to yours. When I checked it was 2.76 (you) vs 2.75 (me). Close in my book anyway.
Was clearly satire and was in reply to Steve who said this.
Oh my.. NOT ONE of your fantastic D9 pilots
Then Urchin replied.
As I said save your dollar for some reading comprehension leasons.
Stick to math.
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OK, let me clear all of this up very quickly and easily for you:
MY POST WAS A JOKE.
Hopefully you understand that. If not, just keep that persecution complex you have going. It makes for great comedy from my end. Nothing like someone flipping out over something as stupid as my post.
Again, I will go get reading comprehension lessons if you go buy a sense of humor and a clue. Deal?
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Oh I know it was a joke and as I read it I am laughing my arse off.
I really didnt expect a reply after my 1st one. The little :p was nothing but a jab back.
You came back with
It is how bad your titties get twisted by a single post by someone who you consider an idiot.
roflmao
I figured it was good for a few more posts.
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Yeah.. right wotan.
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don't go math...they will extend soon :D
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I have two clients who are in desperate need of a sense of humor. If any of you know where I can buy some, especially at the bargain price of $1, please let me know! Hmm clues seem to be cheap too.. often when dogfighting the vets of this game, I find myself completely bereft of a clue...I need to buy many many for these circumstances. Do they have bulk discounts? Some vets get me so turned around it's all I can do to keep from augering.(and occasionally do).
I know, some of you opportunistic types will say I have trouble with the better pilots because I have no skills at this game.
Uhh it's true, so?
I'm sure having fun though :)
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About Pony pilots (humor (http://www.planestuff.com/chickenofsky.html))
If I remember right P51D drivers have a dedicated song. Its from '80s. Runway Ponys by Stray Cats...
j/k
:D