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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: WhiteHawk on September 26, 2002, 12:52:29 PM
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It seems everytime I make a highspeed pass at one of the
3 plane buff forms, my frame rate goes form 40-50fps to
10-20 fps. I can hold frame rate good with at least 20 other
planes in view, except for buff forms??? Even then, after I
pass the form for about 30 seconds after, my frame rate sux.
What da Hell
I have reduced my res from 1200x1024
to 1024x780 (or whatever it is)
I can use external view on my own buff forms, and no problem?!?!?
Can this be the NoseArt???
Maybe the hundreds of tracers and the mathmapping that goes
with them??
Any Ideas are helpful
p4 1.7 GHz
intel 845
gforce4 440
512 syncDRAM
Anybody able to help? or have similar problems?
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Is that SDRAM you are using on a P4 system?
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Yes it says SyncDRAM on the box. Is that bad?
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i have a similar machine only using amd athlon xp and i have no problems. it prolly is the sdram with p4
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SDRAM on a P4 = bad performance.
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Bloom can you help me and storm with a fatal error. Hes trying to get the game running he wants to fly again but gets this error.
P3 750 MHZ, 500 megs memory, 16 meg ATI video, Win98, DirectX 8.0.
Here is the fault message:
ACESHIGH caused an invalid page fault in
module at 0000:8403bf5e.
Registers:
EAX=8403bfd8 CS=0177 EIP=8403bf5e EFLGS=00010a87
EBX=00000081 SS=017f ESP=0163e664 EBP=0163e680
ECX=83f3803c DS=017f ESI=01ba641c FS=21b7
EDX=0000003f ES=017f EDI=01c92580 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
f3 83 1c ff d5 83 99 00 00 a0 3c 80 f3 83 2c 80
Stack dump:
004e1754 8403bf58 01ba641c 01ba641c 0163e868 004f842a 00000000 0163e874
004e05a7 01ba5ec8 004e0b3e 00000001 009a32e3 01c92580 004e0c22 01c90ed0
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That's a strange error ice. I'd make sure you've got Direct X 8.0 or newer installed (8.1b is the newest, and is available at http://www.microsoft.com/directx ). I'd also load up the newest ATI drivers for that card you can find. That error used to show up a long time ago if you were using Roger Wilco as well.
I'm worried this could also be a virus, if you have a scanner you might want to check...
If you can post some more info it might help nail it down.
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Bloom this is storms system. You may not know him he is an original MAW from AW. I will try to get some more info outta him.
Thanks for any help.
P.S. where ya been bud havent seen you up in months. Dont you ever take a break from real life and fly anymore?
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Use notepad to add these lines to the [386inh] section of system.ini and reboot.
He will need to set a fixed size swap file to make the settings work. <1st two lines, xxxxxx = size>
If any problems occur remove them and reboot.
MinPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
MaxPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
DMABufferSize=64
MaxDMAPGAddress=100000
32BitDiskAccess=on
DMABufferSize=64
PageBuffers=32
MinSPs=16
MaxBPs=16384
MinTimeSlice=20
WindowUpdateTime=25
LocalLoadHigh=0
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not a techie..but
What kinda ram should I use with a p4?
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
not a techie..but
What kinda ram should I use with a p4?
RDRAM (Rambus) or DDR.
bloom25 or DejaVu might explain all of this better to you than me, since Ive never had or dealt with a Pentium 4.
But its pretty common knowledge among techies that SDRAM kills a P4's performance, thats why it was my first question.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
not a techie..but What kinda ram should I use with a p4?
Your version of the Intel 845 chipset is apparently the one that only supports SDRAM (there is a version, 845D I think, that supports DDR SDRAM). To change to the faster DDR or RDRAM requires not just a memory change, but an entire motherboard change. Not an easy (or cheap) task.
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well that sucks the big one.:mad:
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ok..did a bit of research at the intel website, and it seems that
i have the 845e chipset. It didnt mention any compataibility
problems with DDR memory, in fact, they apparently run
tests of different memory makers to test performance and
search for problems.
Here is some data for the 845e chipset...
I interpret this to say that DDR 333MHz is tested and
supported up to 256 MB by a number of memory manufacturers.
I would like to have 512 MB of memory, but I cant find it
tested in 333MHz,
Anybody know for sure how to read this toejam?
_____ _____ _____ ___ _____ ___________________
Elpida 256Mb 64Mx4 200 2-2-2 HM5425401BTT-10_0103*
Elpida 256MB 32Mx8 200 2-2-2 HM5425801BTT-10_0105*
Elpida 256MB 64Mx4 266 2.5-3-3 HM5425401BTT-75B_0208*
Elpida 256MB 64Mx4 266 2.5-3-3 HM5425801BTT-75B_0209*
Hynix 128Mb 32Mx4 200 2-2-2 HY5DU28422AT-L_0105
Hynix 128Mb 32Mx4 266 2-3-3 HY5DU28422AT-K_0203†
Hynix 128Mb 16Mx8 266 2-3-3 HY5DU28822AT-K_0148†
Hynix 128Mb 8Mx16 266 2-3-3 HY5DU281622AT-K_0148†
Hynix 256Mb 64Mx4 266 2-3-3 HY5DU56422T-K_0202
Hynix 256Mb 32Mx8 266 2-3-3 HY5DU56822T-K_0146
Infineon 256Mb 64Mx4 200 2-2-2 HYB25D256400AT-8_0108
Infineon 256Mb 32Mx8 200 2-2-2 HYB25D256800AT-8_0120
Infineon 256Mb 32Mx8 266 2-3-3 HYB25D256800AT-7_0144
Infineon 256Mb 64Mx4 266 2-2-2 HYB25D256400BT-7F_0239
Infineon 256Mb 64Mx4 266 2-3-3 HYB25D256400AT-7_0149
Infineon 256Mb 16Mx16 266 2.5-3-3 HYB25D256169AT-7.5_0235^
Infineon 512Mb 128Mx4 266 2-3-3 HYB25D512400AT-7_0239
Infineon 256Mb 32Mx8 333 2.5-3-3 HYB25D256809AT-6_0235^
Micron 128Mb 32Mx4 200 2-2-2 MT46V32M4TG-75A_0120
Micron 128Mb 16Mx8 200 2-2-2 MT46V16M8TG-8_0120
Micron 128Mb 16Mx8 266 2.5-2-2 MT46V16M8TG-75_0151
Micron 256Mb 64Mx4 266 2.5-3-3 MT46V64M4TG-75_0209**
Micron 256Mb 32Mx8 266 2.5-3-3 MT46V32M8TG-75_0213
Micron 256Mb 16Mx16 266 2.5-3-3 MT46V16M16TG-75_0212
Micron 128Mb 8Mx16 333 2.5-3-3 MT46V8M16TG-6T_0228«
Micron 128Mb 16Mx8 333 2.5-3-3 MT46V16M8TG-6T_0228
Mitsubishi 256Mb 32Mx8 266 2.5-3-3 M2S56D30TP-75_0214
Mosel Vitelic 128Mb 16Mx8 266 2-2-2 V826516K04SATG_0239
Nanya 128Mb 16Mx8 266 2-3-3 NT5DS16M8AT-7K_0145
Nanya 256Mb 32Mx8 266 2-3-3 NT5DS32M8AT-7K_0203
Samsung 128Mb 32Mx4 200 2-2-2 K4H280438B-TC_106‡
Samsung 128Mb 32Mx4 200 2-2-2 K4H280438C-TCA0_0115
Samsung 128Mb 16Mx8 200 2-2-2 K4H280838B-TCA0_0115
Samsung 128Mb 16Mx8 200 2-2-2 K4H280838C-TCA0_0115
Samsung 256Mb 64Mx4 200 2-2-2 K4H560438B-TCA0_0112
Samsung 256Mb 32Mx8 200 2-2-2 K4H560838B-TCA0_0112
Samsung 512Mb 128Mx4 200 2-2-2 K4H510438M-TCA0_0211
Samsung 128Mb 32Mx4 266 2-3-3 K4H280438D-TCA2_0209
Samsung 128Mb 16Mx8 266 2-3-3 K4H280838C-TCA2_0143
Samsung 128Mb 16Mx8 266 2-3-3 K4H280838D-TCA2_0208
Samsung 256Mb 64Mx4 266 2-3-3 K4H560438C-TCA2_0202
Samsung 256Mb 64Mx4 266 2-3-3 K4H560438D-TCA2_0212
Samsung 256Mb 32Mx8 266 2-3-3 K4H560838B-TCA2_0135
Samsung 256Mb 32Mx8 266 2-3-3 K4H560838C-TCA2_0201
Samsung 256Mb 32Mx8 266 2-3-3 K4H560838D-TCA2_0212
Samsung 256Mb 32Mx8 266 2.5-3-3 K4H560838B-TCB0_0135
Samsung 256Mb 16Mx16 266 2-3-3 K4H561638B-TCA2_0135
Samsung 256Mb 16Mx16 266 2.5-3-3 K4H561638B-TCB0_0135
Samsung 256Mb 16Mx16 266 2-3-3 K4H561638D-TCA2_0212
Samsung 512Mb 128Mx4 266 2-3-3 K4H510438M-TCA2_0212***
Samsung 512Mb 64Mx8 266 2-3-3 K4H510838M-TCA2_0217
Samsung 128Mb 16Mx8 333 2.5-3-3 K4H280838D-TCB3_0232
Samsung 256Mb 32Mx8 333 2.5-3-3 K4H560838D-TCB3_0221
Samsung 256Mb 16Mx16 333 2.5-3-3 K4H561638D-TCB3_0232
Toshiba 256Mb 64Mx4 200 2-2-2 TC59WM803BFT-80_0122
Toshiba 256Mb 32Mx8 200 2-2-2 TC59WM807BFT-80_0122
Toshiba 256Mb 16Mx16 200 2-2-2 TC59WM815BFT-80_0116
Toshiba 256Mb 32Mx8 266 2-2-2 TC59WM807BFT-70_0144
Toshiba 256Mb 16Mx16 266 2-3-3 TC59WM815BFT-75_0144
Winbond 256Mb 32Mx8 266 2.5-3-3 W942508AH-75_0145
Winbond 256Mb 16Mx16 266 2.5-3-3 W942516BH-75_0220^
Winbond 256Mb 32Mx8 333 2.5-3-3 W942508BH-6_0221^
* Clamps not supported
† Passed except Burst Length-8
** Passed except IDD2F
« Passed except Slew Rate into VTT R/F Ratio Min (Min Vdd)
‡ Passed except Ci
*** Passed except IDD7
^ Passed except Cmax
Validation Results Legal Information
Use the link below to see a detailed description of the DDR200/266/333 Validation Program, including links to Compliance Sheets and the Shipping Memo. For questions regarding validation, contact the Intel Validation Program manager.
DDR Validation Process
Approved Test Labs
The following test labs have the capability of performing DDR SDRAM component-level AC/DC & RLC validation. For further information, please contact:
Advanced Validation Labs, Inc.
17800 Newhope Street, Suite B
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
Attn: Rhonda Duda
Tel: 714-435-2630
Fax: 714-427-3752
Email: sales@validationlabs.com
The following test labs have the capability of performing DDR SDRAM component-level RLC validation. For further information, please contact:
Gigatest Labs
134 South Wolfe Road
Sunnyvale, California 94086 U.S.A.
Tel: 408-524-2700
Fax: 408-524-2777
Doyle Sounders
Email: doyle@gigatest.com
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If you have the 845e chipset, you are using DDR SDRAM. For reference these are the Intel produced chipsets for the P4:
845 -> PC133 Sdram (poor performance)
845D -> first DDR SDRAM chipset for the P4 (good for the time, but now obsolete)
845E -> similar to 845D, but supports 533 MHz FSB P4s (best current Intel P4 chipset with DDR support)
845G -> same as 845E, but with a low performance integrated graphics core
Other Intel chipsets for P4:
850 -> Rambus PC800 supporting chipset (now obsolete)
850E -> 533 MHz FSB with 32 bit Rambus support (uses expensive memory, but is the highest performance current P4 chipset)
860 -> P4 Xeon chipset, not for desktop computers
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thnx Bloom25..
hehe, I just went out and bought a 256 MB DDR pc2100
184 pin DIMM. (I guess I should have looked in my puter
to see what was in there). But it was only 37 bucks.
However, this is rated to run at 266 MHz. I wonder how I
can check the speed of my current RAM? There is definatley
something wrong with my system. the frame rate
hits are horrible, in some situations. I have my GF4 440
clocked at 285MHz and 440MHz. I would think a p4 1.7 GHz
should plow thru most any situation with a minimum of 20fps.
But it is like my RAM is being clogged with something.
One particular situation is when a Ju88 form is approaching
a fleet at low alt. Even If I am gunningthe ship, my FR sometimes
drops below 10. And It can remain at that level for a bit,
even after the Ju88's are gone.
Oh well, I'll plug in my new memory and see what happns.
Thnx for the help
:)
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I'd tend to agree with you, that seems pretty slow. You might want to try a clean driver install.
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Well, thats the end of the game, the intel website seems to
imply that DDR 266/333 are compatable as well as
SDRAM 133 with my system, however, the small nothces
on the bottom of the DDR 266 dont match the male
nothc on my slot. After nearly breaking the DDR chipboard,
and before I noticed the notches, I saw the
'SDRAM 133 ONLY!' sticker by my RAM slots. There was
also one of these -->':D . Those bastards at compaq!
Well, off I go shopping for motherboards:) .
Thnx for all the help.
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I've never heard anyone have anything good to say about Compaq computers. They always seem to use the dirt cheapest components.
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This is a Compaq? The fact they used that chipset doesn't surprise me at all. :( (Probably a 5400 RPM hard drive too... I'd check that out as well.) Since you probably didn't get an OS disk, but rather only a "restore" disk you might have problems here. If you switch the motherboard you will probably need to reinstall the OS (and everything else) to get the system stable. If it's Windows XP you might have to reactivate as well. You are also going to certainly void Compaq's warranty.
I'm not really sure how to advise you to proceed here. Switching the motherboard to an 845E or G based board and using DDR Sdram will certainly improve total system performance. On the other hand given that this is a Compaq you probably don't have a Windows disk and you will certainly have to reinstall if you change the board. You'll also lose all Compaq tech support, but still be stuck with their sub-standard components.
Maybe the best way to do this is to hand the box down (or sell just the box) to a relative or someone else and piece a system together for yourself. You've got some RAM and you're planning on buying a MB anyway. It's also possible that the Compaq case won't fit a standard ATX motherboard and the power supply is most certainly not up to the task. A P4 or Athlon CPU is not that expensive either. Reuse your monitor, speakers, KB, mouse.
Before I did anything (given this is a Compaq), I would try to kill the loads of background tasks most Compaqs have running and try a clean driver install on the system. It's not a fast system by any means, but it should be able to deliver more than playable AH framerates.
Compaq is currently involved in a class-action suit filed against them by owners of SDRAM based P4 systems for overstating the performance of their systems vs P3s or Athlon based systems. (Other manufacturers are being sued as well.) I can't say I agree with the lawsuit, you typically get what you pay for when you buy a computer and those systems were typically no more expensive than a P3/Athlon system and no one is claiming the systems were so slow they weren't useable. They just weren't as good of a deal as they seemed to be.
I'd consider your options carefully here. I'd probably advise just living with the system as is unless you have about $700 - $800 to spend on a budget system that can handle gaming.
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yea 715. I think youre right. Its a generic puter.
Ive had compaqs for 3 generations now. (I buy a new puter
every 2 years). And they arent bad computers, its just when
you ned to romp on the gas peddle, they sputter, and backfire.
Oh well, certainly appreciate the help. next puter is gonna
be a gateway, or a Dell.
BTW, I did find a motherboard that supports 533 FSB and
DDR 266 memory for under 200 bucks, but im fairly certain,
if I take mine apart it will never work again.
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BUILD YOUR OWN COMPUTER.
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Listen carefully what Animal whispered...
And read this: http://firingsquad.gamers.com/guides/buildsys/default.asp
and another one... http://www.pcmech.com/byopc/
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i run a 1.8 gig p4 on sdram 133 (hey, the computer was a freebie from work!). I use the geforce3 ti 200 vid card. My frame rate rarely gives me trouble, never around buff's. When I had the oem gforce 2mx card, frame rates would suffer. The system itself should run quite well - dunno 'bout the vid card, is the the mx version? they never run as well as the non-mx cards. nyway, fyi, frame rates for me run near 85, get down near 50's in busy, smoke filled fields.
40-50 should not be your normal frame rate either. you should run near 80. what resolution are you set to? did you install the latest verion of directx? latest video drivers for your card?
later, bockk
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forgot this: the p4 will run on 3 different types of memory, but if you have sdram, your mother board will only accept that type. Again, your performance issue sounds like driver or directx related.
get the latest detonator drivers from nvidia if you have not already.
bockk
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If aren't tech savy & cash isn't major issue...Buy an Alienware!!!!
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Im gonna build my own computer :) Win Lose or draw. I can use
this hunkashit until I get done. (Where do I get the box?).
Anyway, upon further surfing and downloading latest drivers and etc., I did this..
At compaq.com they have a 'Compaq/Nvidia unified driver'
file. I downloaded this and installed it. I also sent the
auto update to search for a new Nvidia driver, but whaaaat???
It just started to install the old version 29.42 I think it is.
I was running 40.41(I think..whatever the second to the last
driver was). I couldnt cancel before it was installed. So I
rebooted with the intent on reinstalling the 40.41's. But
mu puter rebooted clean as a whistle. (It had developed a
bout a 1 minute period of time before my icons would appear on
the desktop, and I couldnt access any programs while this was
going on.) So I said 'hmmm, I logged on AH and immedialty
searched for a good fleet battle. It didint take long..and
I dove in and mixed it up near the fleet. My FR dipped to 19FPS,
but it was extrememly busy and I was quite pleased.
But the real test, need a form of Ju88's to try to torp the
fleet. But instead got a form of a20's..thatll do, taking my 7
kills down to the deck in the Jug30, to try to bag a cupple a20's
was inadvisable, but I had a test to run. Right as I got close
to the a20's I checked the FR. It was stable at 17FPS. That is
playable for me and I was quite pleased. So here I will stay.
My Detenator 29.42 and compaq nvidia unified driver thing,
Running at 1200x1024 res and everything seemed very clean.
No,HD activity at critical moment. So dont know what the
problem was,but I think it is fixed for now.
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du-u-ude, your system should do better than 19 around buffs, I do believe. did you check your rev of direct-x? you can run dxdiag to find out -- if you don't know where to find it, do a 'find' for directx or dxdiag. make sure it is 8.1 (or whatever rev is out), you may find a big performance gain if you have a base dx version. Also, before spending big $$ on rebuilding, you might want to get a non-mx card like a gforce 4 200, i think they are less than 200 bucks these days. well, wish you luck!
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Also whats your video card??
GF4 440 ? Isn't that a MX card ?
The new GF4 MX cards perform about the same as the old GF2 MX cards, ie really crappy.
Any GeForce video card that has the letters MX is basically old technology packaged with a new Title, and you should stay away from it.
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Whitehawk,
I built my first computer about 6 months ago and found it surprisingly easy (of course I did use an Nforce board). A good case/power supply is also very important. I live in Hawaii and Comp USA is the only real puter store here, so I ordered all the components online from Multiwave and NewEgg, both are excellent.
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Update your SBLIVE drivers
Originally posted by icemaw
Bloom can you help me and storm with a fatal error. Hes trying to get the game running he wants to fly again but gets this error.
P3 750 MHZ, 500 megs memory, 16 meg ATI video, Win98, DirectX 8.0.
Here is the fault message:
ACESHIGH caused an invalid page fault in
module at 0000:8403bf5e.
Registers:
EAX=8403bfd8 CS=0177 EIP=8403bf5e EFLGS=00010a87
EBX=00000081 SS=017f ESP=0163e664 EBP=0163e680
ECX=83f3803c DS=017f ESI=01ba641c FS=21b7
EDX=0000003f ES=017f EDI=01c92580 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
f3 83 1c ff d5 83 99 00 00 a0 3c 80 f3 83 2c 80
Stack dump:
004e1754 8403bf58 01ba641c 01ba641c 0163e868 004f842a 00000000 0163e874
004e05a7 01ba5ec8 004e0b3e 00000001 009a32e3 01c92580 004e0c22 01c90ed0
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hmmmmm...
Offline: I got 3 B17's and sat on the runway at
Baltic terrain :Aiirfiled A1.
Used external veiw at full zoom out
With airfield in full sight and at about 15 % angle with the
horizon, I get 23fps. Thats the low point. Circling around
the planes I max out at 30fps.
Would be interested in knopwing the stats of others wiht
similar systems...(or any system for that matter)
23-30fps
1200x1024 Res. 32 bit color
p4 i.7 GHz
512 SyncDram 133
GForce 4 440..(Xtasy makes this model)
intel 845 chipset.
windows XP
29,42 Drivers