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Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: hardcase on September 26, 2002, 09:24:22 PM
I accepted.

hardccase
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: Sandman on September 26, 2002, 09:32:51 PM
Can you post it on AGW?
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: hardcase on September 26, 2002, 09:40:03 PM
Don' think that would be part of the rules..Kieran wants to tear it to shreds.


Keiran

Ok, I'll take a stab at it... you don't even have the confidence in yourself or the game to write anything more than the most generic piece of fluff that said virtually nothing. You did surprise me and didn't at the same time; you did and didn't write a review. Taking a critical view of your critical view tells me you are purposely obfuscating, much the same as you do in any conversation you've had here. Before you ask "Where have I obfuscated?" just pick a spot anywhere in this thread where a post is headed "Hardcase

So, I will write a review.



hardcase
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: Kieran on September 26, 2002, 09:48:31 PM
Click if you dare (http://www.nlcs.k12.in.us/deckardb/crssucks.swf)

;)
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: Kieran on September 26, 2002, 09:54:10 PM
Is it within the rules if I invite everyone whose review you've challenged to challenge your review?
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: hardcase on September 26, 2002, 10:08:51 PM
Everyone can read it and tear up what ever they like. I will attempt to be accurate and unopinonated.

hardcase
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: Kieran on September 27, 2002, 10:01:08 AM
The challenge was dropped at my request. I don't have the right to ask someone to post competitive material on this service.
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: hardcase on September 27, 2002, 11:58:01 AM
Kieran, I understand you asked me to drop it..but do realize I would have never posted a full review on this BBS. Contrary to popular belief I do have some idea the lines that can and cannot be crossed. You didnt pick up on my 2 weeks it will be out line.

Remember, I tried to back out the first time you challeged me. When you didnt drop it, I thought I would give you want you think you wanted. When it became clear that it would not be something lite but involved and done with skill, things seem to change.

It was never going to happen. I just wanted to see how long it would take for you to realize, it was not a good idea.

However I am thinking about doing one and putting it on on my piss poor web page.

Hardcase
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: Kieran on September 27, 2002, 12:45:59 PM
No, Hardcase, that isn't the case at all, but I am not going into it again. Put it on your site and we can do this if you like. I sincerely don't think I have the right to invite someone to post competitive information on this BBS. I don't own the service. I used to run a BBS, and wish I still did at this point. I guarantee you I can do to your review what you have done to others' reviews- deny, minimalize, deflect. But why not let it drop now? I gave you the last word, and you can have the inevitable last word in this one with your next post if you choose. At any rate, I am not going to enter another 450+ thread that gets nowhere.

Let's say it this way- if someone asks my opinion about WWIIOL, I'll tell them to wait a year or so. IF the game is still around, visit the BBS and read carefully. Take to heart what the players themselves are saying, good and bad. Pay special attention to the persistant threads on a persistant topic, because it is almost certainly a true gripe. If it looks like something you can put up with, then and only then plunk your money down. Even then, don't be foolish enough EVER to pay ahead. If you cancel, watch your credit card billing for a few months afterwards. In fact, watch your credit card billing if you stay. This company has a pretty bad history on many accounts, so your blood is on your own head if you sign up.
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: hardcase on September 27, 2002, 01:02:14 PM
Lets see..how it began.

hardcase


reread the post..My review prolly would be as biased as yours.
read the pc game review


Keiran


In case you skip over this, I will repeat it for you.

Since you are not happy with our reviews, write a WWIIOL review of your own.

Can you find the question now?


Hardcase


just for giggles..i could start my review like this


lets see..drivers correctly installed.
Updates up to date from Microsoft
Cable traceroute Clean.
Installed to default directories.
Settings set for my machine for max FPS
2100xp
1 gig 333 mhz memory
Geforce 4 4600ti 15% OC
40 atat100 7200rpm HD
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz.






Keiran


Ok, I'll take a stab at it... you don't even have the confidence in yourself or the game to write anything more than the most generic piece of fluff that said virtually nothing. You did surprise me and didn't at the same time; you did and didn't write a review. Taking a critical view of your critical view tells me you are purposely obfuscating, much the same as you do in any conversation you've had here. Before you ask "Where have I obfuscated?" just pick a spot anywhere in this thread where a post is headed "Hardcase".

Hardcase


Waiting on my leaping to your suggestion to do what you did? No thanks. I know better


Kieran.

Wait... I do get it now. You know that if you write a real review, and state anything specific, I'll rip it to shreds. Righto. And all I'll have to do is tell the truth- or expose the half-truths you are telling


Hardcase


You really want to start this over..Ok..I will probably have a complete one in a week or two. It will probably be quite long and involved. At least when you try to rip it to shreds in your mind, you will actually have to work at it. Perhaps get an account for a month. Wonder how you will review the graphic engine and Bofor etc





You brought this on when I tried to avoid it.

I can also keep rre-posting all the ideas I had for a full review. How you wanted me to review this version when a new one is coming out in a week. After I had decided to even add pictures, did you suddenly decide you didnt have the right to invite. I always knew I did not have the right to post a review in here.



hardcase
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: hardcase on September 27, 2002, 01:24:35 PM
BTW, "invite" was facetious.

hardcase
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: Kieran on September 27, 2002, 04:46:29 PM
After reading how you are using this ubiquitous "review" threat as a some kind of club in that other thread, against people that have no part of our argument, I say go ahead and write it and post it on your host. I eagerly await it. If you think I am not up to the challenge, you are soooo wrong. Include lots of pictures, I will enjoy them as well. Describe in detail how everything "works".

As for the above quotes, it is about half the conversation (typical of you).
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: hardcase on September 27, 2002, 06:55:48 PM
Half?  Post it all. Give up the idea of a review;) no matter what I say about posting one. You will have to by a mag or play a freebie.

hardcase
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: Kieran on September 27, 2002, 08:05:37 PM
No, I've a feeling you will be back. Don't worry, I'll be here too. ;)
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: thrila on September 28, 2002, 09:19:12 AM
i think i'm gonna post a review of ww2ol after my 2 week free trial with pcgamer.  I started a trial a couple of days ago and so far my experience has ranged from really fun, to boring to extremely frustrating.

Here's some things so far-

When you start the game the website opens (why can't u just start the game and connect straight to it i have no idea) i thought it was an ad popping up so i closed it.  So i start it again and this time i leave it open,  looking for something that says "play now" i finally found it and press on it- it leads me to another damn webpage!   i wanna play a game straight away- not all this hassle.:mad:   click on another "play now" and it loads up- woohoo! got past step1.:D

I would seriously ask CRS to change this- i was already half annoyed at taking so long to get the game to play. Yeah it's a minor quibble and i'm probably stupid for not finding the "play now! button quickly- which also happens to be the last thing to load up on the site (takes a while with my 56k).


some other things-
I couldn't fly often because whenever i spawned my own ack shot me or i flipped over and died.  A 110 was on the spawn point rendering the airfield useless.  I dunno if it was a bug or if when we captured the airfield the pilot decided not to despawn.   The RAF only had two airfields in France and this was happening at both.  Luckily 4 or 5 times i managed to get in the air and actually fly about for a bit- but i aint gonna comment on it because i didn't fly much.

Didn't drive tanks much either.

i mainly played as infantry or as an AT gun.  I heard lots of probs with the rifles but i didn't have any problem shooting people as a frenchy or brit.  For me the infantry is really fun- sneaking about, shooting peeps or putting satchel charges on panzers.   However somtimes it's really boring with no enemy in sight.  if the base isn't directly under attack at the moment in time i'll search for afight elsewhere.  That's frustrating too- too often i'm just sat around waiting for something to happen- and it doesn't.  AT guns were pretty fun too- one time i setep facing a road knowing that panzers were attacking.  Waiting for them to drive by and shooting their sides- muahah i'm evil!:D

Some more things that annoy me-

That white crosshair thing- i can't get rid of it, the sight of it just gets on my nerves.  Why is it there?  One time i was trying to shoot a german and instead of firing i dragged the bloodytext box below across my screen.   Yes he killed me.

grenades- i lob them right next to infantry and it doesn't do bugger all.  

No AT rifles or machine guns- i want them, what kind of ww2 is this!

I can't think of anything else at the moment but when i do i'll post them later.:)
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: Kieran on September 28, 2002, 11:05:56 AM
That 110 you saw is what is referred to as a "ghost plane". It is a well-known bug, and there isn't a darn thing you can do about it. It can last for hours, and as you say, render a field pretty much useless. Imagine how much more annoyed you would have been if you were trying to roll a plane that was attritted. Three or four launches would have ended the numbers of those particular types of planes for a period of time, and all because of something you have no control over. That's a seriously bad bug.
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: hardcase on September 28, 2002, 12:03:44 PM
Totally agree. It can attrit  an airbase of bombers in a heartbeat.

we all want HMG

hardcase:)
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: Thrawn on September 28, 2002, 12:28:36 PM
The 110 ghost plane was not a bug, it is a feature.  War is scary and well... so is a...BOO! ghost plane!  :eek:


LOL!  Ghost planes eh?  What a POS game.
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: hardcase on September 28, 2002, 02:56:18 PM
POS game again? I disagree. Happens occasionally and can be worked around. I thought ai was being turned off for same side. Its probably a collision problem once the plane spawns into the ghost plane point. Sorry, I was not trying to mislead.

harcase
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: Thrawn on September 28, 2002, 03:05:52 PM
Quote
Originally posted by hardcase
Happens occasionally and can be worked around


Notice the word "worked" in your sentance.  I'm not going to work chit.  This is play.  I play video games for fun, not to work.  I go to my job to work.  CRS should be the ones doing the work, you see, it IS their job.  A job that they do baddly I might add.  But I suppose it is understandable considering the POS they have to work on.
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: hardcase on September 28, 2002, 03:28:53 PM
Sure you do, you dont have any workarounds in AH? BTW, ww2ol is not a video game. Nor is AH, WB, Video games are shallow mindless, repitive and not that difficult to play on the top of the line P733 Xbox. Do you miss cheat codes:D

hardcase
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: Thrawn on September 28, 2002, 03:39:20 PM
I'm not sure if there are any workarounds in AH.  I do know that I don't have to use them to play every aspect of the game, unlike that POS WW2OL.

Video game PC game, whatever.  Nice strawman.
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: hardcase on September 28, 2002, 03:46:01 PM
Strawman woulda been the case if I were trying to argue your opinion and using your reference to sims as video games to show you might be biased toward easier stuff. There really was nothing to setup and knock down. I wasnt doing that. You will think it is a POS till dooms day. I will think differently.

I found this.

AI no longer kills friendly units

If the ghost plane bug is caused by ai  firing on friendlies as they spawn, then it is fixed. If it is the collision it isn't. I suspect it is fixed.

hardcase
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: Thrawn on September 28, 2002, 03:52:11 PM
Quote
Originally posted by hardcase
AI no longer kills friendly units

If the ghost plane bug is caused by ai  firing on friendlies as they spawn, then it is fixed. If it is the collision it isn't. I suspect it is fixed.

hardcase


I suspect it isn't.
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: LePaul on September 28, 2002, 03:54:34 PM
Hardcase....kerian

How about some middle ground...I still operate a BBS and would love to heear both of your points of view.  You MAY use my service!

Its at  http://www.checksix.net/forum/default.asp
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: hardcase on September 28, 2002, 03:55:35 PM
I will know before you. If it is fixed I wil be sure to post and tell you.

Unless you meant the possibility of a ghost plane spawning? Could well happen again. This fix will allow freindly ac to spawn in its point and not be in the AI crossfire that goes on constantly when there is one. AI will fire forever till it leaves. IF it is the AI,  fixed, if not, not.

hardcase
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: hardcase on September 28, 2002, 03:59:30 PM
Keirian and I  are simmers. We disagree on when to play. I play now, he wants more. Valid want.

hardcase
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: Kieran on September 28, 2002, 04:00:07 PM
Thanks. I'm game.
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: hardcase on September 28, 2002, 04:02:14 PM
Just put the url on favs. Will register tonight. The Fair is in its last two days and Felicia and I are off to look at the stuff.

HC
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: LePaul on September 28, 2002, 04:04:50 PM
Great, the web bbs could use some content and you guys are pretty passionate and eloquent about your positions.  I look forward to reading em!
Title: Kerian Invites Hardcase To Post A Review OF WW2OL.
Post by: Sikboy on September 28, 2002, 04:20:35 PM
Yeah, that voss is a... Oh wait, wrong thread. Sorry.

-Sikboy