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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: hblair on September 26, 2002, 10:37:41 PM
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:p ;) :D
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hehehehe. Any team from Florida loosing is a good thing. :D
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I think louisville was ranked 102nd last week weren't they?
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how bout them Gators!
:)
an undefeated Kentucky with their 300lb QB
have to watch that one
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I think you are right Hblair. What's that, 3 spots ahead of 'bama? And gloat all you like, Bear's record's done gone.
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HAd to go to work when it was 20-20. I'll guess the outcome.
I'd hate to face FSU next week.
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Originally posted by Fatty
I think you are right Hblair. What's that, 3 spots ahead of 'bama? And gloat all you like, Bear's record's done gone.
Oh come on fatty. You aren't that serious are you? :)
I think Paternos a few wins ahead of Bobby isn't he? And Penn states on the up. ;)
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hblair, tell me about Bama's bowl game this year! Oh wait, no bowl game for you! From what the NCAA committee was saying last week, Bama better be thankful they didn't get the "death penalty." :p
;) where'd you get your education, DjV? Might want to check out your old spelling books.
Eagler, yeah, should be a good game. Kentucky is actually playing with a semblance of defense this year. Tho I think the Gators will pull away after halftime.
So we lost. With the rain, we decided to run the ball into eight and nine man fronts. Left Rix in long yardage situations when he did pass in the first half and was 2-12, but with a 13-6 lead at the half. Defense gives up a TD (perfect pass from Ragone, give him credit), but Rix goes 5-5 on the next drive to take a 20-13 lead. Defense gives up the long ball again. In both Louisville TD drives, the defense played man behind the blitz, with no safety help up top. Hard to do in the rain. Louisville on the other hand, played the run on first down, then dropped back into zones on 2nd and 3rd long yardage situations. They didn't blitz often at all.
Without a doubt, FSU was outcoached in this game. The offense didn't adjust to the 8 and 9 man fronts on first down and short yardage situations (except on the two TD drives, but then they went right back to running into the wall.) The defense got burned on the blitz on two series before switching schemes (at which point Louisville didn't move the ball again until their OT play.) What interests me (or annoys me, take your pick) is why the defense started blitzing when rushing 4 and playing zone behind it was getting pressure on Ragone and keeping them from moving the ball at all in the first half save for special teams and one drive. FSU's defense held after the opening kickoff return, after a block punt was recovered on the 1, and after the Cardinal offense moved inside the 5 on another possession. So why change and give up the big plays on defense?
FSU is poorly undercoached for close games at the end of the 4th quarter. Ragone is sacked on 3rd down with 60 seconds left yet the time out doesn't come until over 10 seconds later. First play is I formation, double tight ends? Then you only put one receiver into the route on play action? Next play, same formation, but it's a run. FSU didn't even put much of an effort into getting in position to attempt a field goal. Then in OT, after being conservative at the end of the 4th, you get aggressive and try a deep corner route? The ball slipped on Rix and was 6 yards behind Gardner and picked by the safety. Game over at that point. However, the defense still should have played tough and forced the field goal attempt. Instead they roll over, and 25 yards later game over.
I don't think FSU overlooked Louisville, I think they got outcoached in the weather conditions. Louisville stuck to their game plan of letting Ragone do his thing, and FSU changed theirs to run the ball instead of taking what Louisville was giving them early on.
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If 70% of the sports writers didn't live East of the Mississippi, you wouldn't find the Florida teams overranked year in and year out.
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Overranked would result in a losing bowl record (being in games they should not) would it not? Unless of course those evil sports writers are fixing the games.
East conferences, winning bowl record. West conferences (including big 12) losing bowl record.
One would conclude even with the writers dumping on pac-10 they're still overrated. Not dumping on them enough perhaps?
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Just look at your divisions, who you play, then calculate W/L record of each respective team. Then you see why the Pac 10 is one of the toughest divisions.
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Yet they still produce a losing bowl record? What does that have to do with being underrated? If anything it should mean they'd come out and kill the overranked competition?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
If 70% of the sports writers didn't live East of the Mississippi, you wouldn't find the Florida teams overranked year in and year out.
yeah Miami is way over ranked :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Fatty
Yet they still produce a losing bowl record? What does that have to do with being underrated? If anything it should mean they'd come out and kill the overranked competition?
How far are you going back on your stats for bowl records?
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Last year. Unless you want to pull further, for instance. Like thru Bobby's entire 75% winning post season career.
Overranked? Heh. Sure.
Florida and Miami don't seem to lose many bowl games either.
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Nifty, louisville was ranked 102nd man. Some of their offense play football as a second sport, basketball being primary. That was a HUGE losss. I know it sux when it's your team and all, but louisville should have in no way been able to play with the #4 team in the nation. All I'm saying is that's a big loss for FSU. Huge. It's clear that you guys are die hards. ;)
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Originally posted by Fatty
Last year. Unless you want to pull further, for instance. Like thru Bobby's entire 75% winning post season career.
Overranked? Heh. Sure.
Florida and Miami don't seem to lose many bowl games either.
Lets take the last 20 years, and W/L records for each team in each division. That would be a fair assessment as to whether sports writers, populated primarily on the east coast, who poll, as to whether or not they do indeed over rank.
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Originally posted by hblair
Nifty, louisville was ranked 102nd man. Some of their offense play football as a second sport, basketball being primary. That was a HUGE losss. I know it sux when it's your team and all, but louisville should have in no way been able to play with the #4 team in the nation. All I'm saying is that's a big loss for FSU. Huge. It's clear that you guys are die hards. ;)
Heath, how come you dont type how you speak?
Originally translated by Swoop
Nif'y, louisville was ranked 102nd man, as enny fool kin plainly see. Some of their offense play football as a second spo't, baxetball bein' primary. Thet was a HUGE losts. ah knows it sux when it's yer team an' all, but louisville sh'd haf in no way been able t'play wif th' #4 team in th' nashun. All ah's sayin' is thass a trimenjus lost fo' FSU. Huge. It's clear thet yo' guys is die hards. ;)
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Rip, postseason is a game based on your ranked standing (decided by the 'biased' reporters). It is the chance you have to make a statement about being underrated, or get stomped because you are overrated.
Teams and conferences that do well in postseason go into the next season rated well. Those that do not, do not. I think you'll find that is much of the basis for the grand conspiracy you see.
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Well fatty, all I know is when they do the coaches, writers polls, and compare them to a pre-calculated computerized poll based on talent, divisions, who they play, the polls come out vastly different than "opinions" of persons. Someone on Sporting news posted an example of this last year. Basically I stand by what I posted, when you have a majority of the writers that vote in a poll east of the Miss. river, you're gonna find bias.
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Then sweep the bowl games. You should be able to with the inherent bias giving you easier opponents than you should have.
That is how FSU and Miami got to where they are now (UF is a little difference because they already had the recognition of a major conference). When you go thru 14 straight bowl games without losing one, people have no choice but to start thinking maybe they underestimated you.
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Swoop, don't you mean...
Originally posted by Swoop
I must say Mr. Heath, I was just strolling about my flat and wondered in bloody amazement at why it is you do not type your responces here in a way more reflective of your use of the good and fair Queen's english in the narrative form oh dear sir?
:)
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Originally posted by Fatty
Then sweep the bowl games. You should be able to with the inherent bias giving you easier opponents than you should have.
That is how FSU and Miami got to where they are now (UF is a little difference because they already had the recognition of a major conference). When you go thru 14 straight bowl games without losing one, people have no choice but to start thinking maybe they underestimated you.
FSU and Miami were two that made it in a parallel poll with computer rankings, they seem to be an exception to the rule (but then again, why shouldn't they be, look at their talent pool they get to recruit from, when you win that much, everyone wants to play there...)
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By the way, yes FSU is overrated this season. Nifty and I have known that ever since they escaped vs Iowa State (though I think they'll beat Nebraska this weekend), we just hoped they could get the secondary and offense together before the Miami game.
HB where'd you pull that ranking on the Cardinals? They came into the season top 25, though sputtered pretty bad coming out of the gate.
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Originally posted by hblair
I must say Mr. Heath, I was just strolling about my flat and wondered in bloody amazement at why it is you do not type your responces here in a way more reflective of your use of the good and fair Queen's english in the narrative form oh dear sir?
Nah that should be....
Originally posted by Swoop
I must say Guvnor 'eaff, I were just strollin' about me flat and wondered in bloody amazement at why it is yer do not type yor responces 'ere in a way more reflective of yor use of the chuffin' good and fair Queen's english in the chuffin' narrative form oh dear sir, then, squire?
:D
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Ok, Rip. The Pac-10 is underrated and the east teams are overrated due to media bias. Let's look at the Pac-10 teams this year. I'll leave out wins against lowly out of conference opponents Why? because you want to dismiss the conference games FSU and Miami play due to weak conferences. btw, Miami is playing FSU, Florida and Tennessee out of conference this year. They make up for the weak conference (excluding Virginia Tech, ask Texas A&M if Tech is weak) by playing tough out of conference games.
Arizona - lost to Wisconsin (beat N. Arizona and Utah)
Arizona St - killed by Nebraska (beat 3 not so good teams)
Cal - bright spot, spanked Michigan State. Lost to Air Force (beat 2 not so good teams)
Oregon - beat Miss St (not all that great, but SEC nonetheless). Beat Fresno St (not good without David Carr), beat 2 more not so good teams (hell, is Portland State even Div IA???)
Oregon St - Beat Fresno St (again, not good) and 3 other chump teams (including one of those Big East wusses, Temple, you alluded to)
Stanford - lost to Boston College (Big East team!) and beat San Jose State (not very good)
UCLA - Beat Colorado State, Oklahoma State then lose to Colorado. Not too bad so far, but Colorado? come on, they didn't even have their starting QB!
USC - Beat Auburn in a good game, beat Colorado, then lose to Kansas State (who had previously never won a home game versus a ranked non-conference team).
Washington - Lost to Michigan, beat San Jose State and Wyoming.
Wash State - Lost to Ohio State, beat Nevada, Idaho and Montana State (this team Div IA???)
More often than not, the Pac-10 has lost their out of conference games against "quality" opponents. The two teams from your state both lost to Big-10 schools (albeit on the road, but still, a loss is a loss.)
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Fatty, it was probably the same computer ranking that had Florida around 100 or so. ;)
Do you think Louisville will still be "102nd" now? I bet they're in the top 25 pretty soon if they keep winning.
I also bet Ragone goes in the NFL draft on Day 1.
Only thing Louisville had going against them this year was inexperience on the O-Line and penalties. Last night, they managed to overcome that and win. (Ragone was sacked 6 times, and forced to scramble another 15 times. I don't know how many hurries and knockdowns he suffered.)
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Nifty, one year does not qualify as a "standard" ;)
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Rip, you're right.
So how about 10 years of Bowl Results for the Pac-10? :D
3 winning seasons, 1 break even and 6 losing ones.
Pac-10 bowl records over the past 10 seasons.
2001 - 2-3
2000 - 3-2
1999 - 1-4
1998 - 1-4
1997 - 5-1
1996 - 1-3
1995 - 1-4
1994 - 2-2
1993 - 3-1
1992 - 2-4
over last 10 seasons - 21-28 or 42.9% winning percentage.
Though in the past 2 seasons, they've at least broke even. Pretty much seems to jive with this year's out of conference games. They lose some and they win some.
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LOL, looks look at who the 'Noles play in their division:
NC State
Clemson
North Carolina
Georgia Tech
Wake Forest
Virginia
Maryland
Duke
Do you guys actually PLAY anyone? ';)
Teams like UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, USC, at LEAST they have teams that can be competitive inter-division ;)
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Don't make Fatty cry.
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Well it might have been 102nd in rushing or something. Thought they said ranked 102nd. :) Sorry.
I just hate to see daddy Bobby getting sooooo ooooold. :(
;)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
LOL, looks look at who the 'Noles play in their division:
NC State
Clemson
North Carolina
Georgia Tech
Wake Forest
Virginia
Maryland
Duke
Do you guys actually PLAY anyone? ';)
Teams like UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, USC, at LEAST they have teams that can be competitive inter-division ;)
NC state aint no joke this year. Clemson is decent as well
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Rip, how many bowl games has the Pac-10 won against the ACC since 1992?
0-3 since 1992. 4-5 since 1975.
Who does FSU play?
#1 Miami, #7 Florida, #10 Notre Dame, #19 Iowa State (already beaten) and Louisville (already lost to) are the non-conference opponents. Louisville will probably be ranked at the end of the season. (they lost by 5 points and 3 points and have a very good shot at going 10-2) In conference, NC State is ranked #17 and Clemson and Georgia Tech received some votes in the AP poll.
Five ranked teams, including the #1 team in the nation and the #7 team who's only loss is to the #1 team. Three fringe teams, well one will be after this week.
Look at the Pac-10. 5 ranked teams and 2 fringe teams (Cal and UCLA received votes in the AP poll)
They may not be conference games, but FSU plays as many ranked opponents as Washington or Oregon does.
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Remember this is just my "biased" opinion since I live East of the MS. river.
#1 SEC
#2 Tie: Big Ten, Big Twelve
#4 ACC
#5 Pac-10
#6 Big East
The rest don't really matter. Even though they have some good teams in them they do not consistently have teams ranked in the Top 25.
The ACC is one of the fastest rising conferences there is. I attribute that to the fact of FSU killing everyone in it for several years and those teams like Maryland (over-rated early on), Clemson and NC State going out and getting the players to compete on the same level as FSU. I believe if there was a school like FSU in the Pac-10 that truely blasted everyone for several years in a row then you would see that conference move up quickly because of the sheer numbers of athletes that are coming out of the high population areas out there.
Just a quick comparison in Alabama last year there were ~70-80 legitimate Division 1-A players that came out of high school. I believe I read something recently where Florida and Texas were #1 and #2 with something like 300-400 legitimate Division 1-A players with California, Arizona and one other western state coming in behind them. Not to mention many of those western players head East to play for teams that consistently win and put players in the NFL.
I am sure Nifty or some other "biased" college football fan can straighten out any indiscrepancies I might have made. I am going to bed.