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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Wotan on September 27, 2002, 08:38:45 AM
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Allies
a1- Mossie
a2-Typhoon
a3-p47d11
a4-spit 9
a5-p38
(the ammo bunkers at a5 will be destroyed and max rebuild time will be set: there will be no ord for the p38)
a6-p51b
a7-b17
a8-b17
a9-b26
a10-Bostons
a11-a20g
a12-b17
a13-Lancaster
a14-Lancaster
a15-Lancaster
a27 (Italy) - B17 / Lancaster / p47d-11 / p51b / mossie
I decided to allow the p38 even though its an "L" version. However I have decided to disable it ord. I did this because the factories have no light aaa.
I assigned a 1 plane type per field. This shouldnt be a problem since all the allied air basesare relatively close. I did it this way to force bombers and escorts to actually "form up".
Axis
a16-109g6 / 190a5
a17-109g6 / 190a5
a18-109g6 / 190a5
a19-109g6 / 190a5 / 190a8
a20-109g6 / 190a5
a21-109g6 / 190a5 / 190a8
a22-109g6 / 190a5 / 190a8
a23-109g6 / 190a5 / 190a8 / 110g2
a24-109g6 / 190a5 / 190a8 / 110g2
a25-109g6 / 190a5 / 190a8 / 110g2
a26-109g6 / 190a5 / 190a8 / 110g2
The Sturmbocks (190a8s and 110g2s) are the primary bomber defense planes. they are stationed further inland and around the strat objects. The 109s and 190a5s are the scouts / fighter interceptors and are stationed everywhere.
The radar settings will be maxed out (50miles). There a lot of terrain thats out side of radar coverage. I dont wont folks flying around blind and bored. If we get real good numbers I will reduce radar range. Radar will be set to 0 feet. This will stop noe raids. In real life theres no way bombers could fly from england all the way across france unseen to hit german factories. Plus the strat complexes have no aaa, just 88 flak. I will leave 88 flak lethality to main standards. If it proves to stong or to weak I will adjust it.
Structure hardness and aaa lethality will be to main standards. If it becomes apparent that the allies are using there attack aircraft to kill all the axis fhs I may up structure hardness and aaa lethality. I dont wont to stop fighter/bomber and med bomber raids against lw fields but it will get real boring should the lw not be able to fly.
The fuel modifier will be to main standards 2.0. If these needs adjustment later I will change it.
I will set 1 wind layer
30k and above = 40 mph wing east to west.
I did this to discourage 30k + bombers and escorts. you will burn more fuel and it will take you longer to get to target with this head wind. I may increase or decrease it later on.
This set up is different then any other. It may or may not work. Save your whining. I know there may be opportunities to "game" this setup. I dont know how great an appeal this setup will have to the bomber folks. However, its the bomber guys that will make this set up work. The idea is for the allied bombers to get into germany and bomb the strat. The allied fighters are to cover them and the axis are trying to stop them. There will be no field capture but the allies can and will attack lw bases.
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This sounds like an absolute winner. Thanks. I would like to request that all targets be reset before the big tuesday thursday squad nights, and for that matter, whenever you think it necassary.
The no base capture is going to be nice touch as well. I cant wait to get a fomation of 30 lancasters on there way to germany!!!!!!!
Hey 880 wanna escorrrt!!!!!!
Quick question, under these fuel settings what are the "times of over target" for the
spit 9
47-11
30
38
51b
and can the luftwaffies make it all the way to england?
what about the 110g2?
How long do the smaller planes have over england if they can make it?
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(http://personal.jax.bellsouth.net/jax/t/y/tyr88/Screens/FuelBomMA.bmp)
(http://personal.jax.bellsouth.net/jax/t/y/tyr88/Screens/FuelFigMA.bmp)
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Originally posted by ergRTC
Hey 880 wanna escorrrt!!!!!!
ergRTC,
We'd gladly gladly escort for ya! :)
In fact I'm trying to get a big bomber raid going for Tuesday night at 9:30 pm EDT. 880 will fill in wherever we're need buff or escort. I've posted about it on both the Combat Theater and the General Discussion boards. So hopefully we can have a big formation of buffs, with plenty of fighters in the air for both sides.
If enough show possibly we can have a B26 diversionary raid :D
One can always dream.
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That is SOME setup Wotan.
About time someone had the guts to get rid of "base capture" it has NO place in a historical combat flight sim (except by ground troops and as a consequence of other action).
Some of 880 just finished escorting VF27 on a buff raid on some factories East of A21. The Flak was FIERCE, the 109s were dangerous, and the 190s were hungry. We even lost one or two bombers, which is unusual for us :D
Is there a way to disable drop tanks for Spits? Johnnie Johnson complained bitterly that "if only" the spits had had drop tanks, they would have been the best escort plane out there.
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Agree with Miska. Was on that raid as one of the LW. Cruiseing along in my trusty 190 what do I look up and see but a cloud of "SPITFIRES" over Central Germany! :rolleyes:
Folks that is the object of the P-51 as the Spit, Jug and Lightning didn't have the legs to make in that deep to Germany and return. I will be glad to loan someone a history book if they need it. How about cranking up the fuel modifier even more on all but the Mustang so things will be a little more "Historical".
Was a great raid Allies - am looking forward to more on Tue. & Thur. Just leave the Spitfires at home or turnback near the coast - Just to make things "More Interesting". ;)
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Either disable drop tanks or raise the fuel burn way up there.
I remember during the planning of the original Big Week, they had to raise the Fuel burn multiplyer quite high.
Spitfires had range to fly to Amsterdam area, and fight for 10 minutes.
P-47's from this era could fly to central Germany.
P-51's and P-38's could fly pretty much anywhere on the map with drop tanks.
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Apart from the Spitfires on escort into Germany, this map and setup is top drawer material!
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Originally posted by Miska
Is there a way to disable drop tanks for Spits? Johnnie Johnson complained bitterly that "if only" the spits had had drop tanks, they would have been the best escort plane out there.
The CM can "detonate" field objects. Just blow up one fuel tank, that will reduce the available fuel to 100% - no DTs! In the same fashion, ordinance was removed from the P38s in this setup.
Camo
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cc, then we can get a very good dynamic going with the spits trying to control the coast so the bombers can get through and the ponies don't have to drop their tanks too early. This is going to be a sweet week :)
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In The Big Week scenario the fuel modifier was 2.0 just like it is here.
I cant detonate the fuel tanks at the spit field without increasing the down time for fuel tanks because it would ply to all fuel tanks for both sides. Since the axis have no significant attack/jabo capability this would effect the axis.
We can do this with the ammo bunkers because it makes no difference to the axis if their ammo bunkers are killed and stay down.
Increasing the fuel mod adversly effects aircraft with smaller fuel capacity. The terrain is well below 1 to 1 scale. Its compressed in the horizontal. Time to climb/alt are still 1 to 1. So a 109g6 or an 190a5 burn a good portion of its fuel to get to altitude.
The bombers and planes like the p51 and p38 arent effected as adversly of the low fuel capacity aircraft.
at 2.0 the spit 9 with dts has 56 min at full man of fuel, the 190a5 has 40 min.
Any increase in the fuel mod effects the a5 greater then the spit.
I could remove the spit if it continues to be a problem.
Or move it to a rearward allied field to make its flight time a bit longer.
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I think moving it back may be best, or perhaps put in the spit v instead? I will try to get our guys to only fly p47s and stangs on tuesday, I know they would anyway. Spits over deep germany is a little wierd.
Course now, you have to remember you asked for it!!!
The wings on those p47s dont fall off like they do on a spit, and those 8 50cals up front tend to rip little german balsa planes to bits....... :)
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I moved the spit 9 to a5 (same field as the 38). I have the p47-d11 enabled at a4 now as well as a3 and a27.
Radar range has been reduced to 20 miles and now starts at 500ft. The base warning (flashing) range has been increased.
If the spit continues to be a problem over Germany lemme know. I dont ever fly a spitfire so I had no idea it had a 300ltr DT (is this correct historically?).
Any bomber pilots who are flying in the ct or would like to but dont lemme know why.
Any more suggestions post umm here and I'll see what I can do.
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Yeah wotan, I would like the b24 out of northern italy please, like can you have that done like yesterday?
;)
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No.9 are doing their best to support this arena flying bombers and having fun. The trouble with this arena is not the setup but the effect the low numbers have on the setup. Build times etc are hugely impacted by low numbers and it can sometimes feel futile bombing when rebuild times are set to levels normally seen in the MA. We'd also like to know what effect (if any) strat objects play in the arena. We normally go for strat objects in the MA and have had fun dancing through the ack at fuel refineries and had the LW guys chasing us home :)
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oops, I think you guys missed the boat on this one. Rebuild is meaningless really. There is no base capture, strat has no real effect as far as I can tell. All your supposed to do is get as many of your buddies into buffs and get them to the target and back. Map is gonna be gone friday, so get in all the fun you can. I am glad rebuild is what it is. It takes me an hour to get back to brunswick after I waste it, and if it is still down that means I have to fly through extra flak to get to a target!@
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Revvin lemme look over the arena settings in relation to downtimes. Are you speaking about the factories themselves or field objects?
The axis have 10 fields and only have 1 fh at each. It would take no time at all for the allies, should they choose to close all the lw fields.
I dont wanna make it where the axis fhs are down for a long period. This would create a situation where fighting at air fields becomes more important then defending the strat objects.
Also if the axis fhs stay down to long they most likely would log.
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Great map!!! The Spits have to be tamed down a tad!!
Is the only plane I have seen in the CT on the Allies side..
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I flew a group of B17's from N.Italy yesterday I stayed low till I cleared my own radar the proceded to climb staying clear of the radar circles surrounding Regensburg (which is at the edge of the radar circle of field a26) at 22k I expected to atleast show up on bardar but I did not therefore I was on top of the city before anyone even knew it I had a squad mate flyin for the axis and reported no bar in the sector I was in I even flew through the radar circle around a26 and still did not show up on radar is this correct or is somthing wrong with the radar ? It seems fine elsewhere on the map I even flew through my own radar at 10k and did not show a bar there either. Just wonderin if somthing is wrong.
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I think I heard somewhere that the radar positions are updated every 2 minutes. If that were the case I think it would be posible to skip through small portions of radar coverage between the "updates" and thus not appear on radar. Not sure if it's true or not but might explain part of it.
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soulyss i like your sig. A wannabe cop once tried to kick me off of carlton college campus while I was delivering pizza back in high school. I tried to tell him that I wasnt really blocking the fire exit, since if there were a fire, I would be the first m*f* out of the building.
Get this, he didnt like my attitude.
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lol, thanks Erg. Mitch Hedberg is this comedian that just cracks me up. He looks kinda like a hippie and I think he's stoned for most of his shows but he is damn funny.
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Oh yeah, i remember the guy you are talking about. He does a great 'baked patato' skit.
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radar updates are delayed 2 min. radar range is like 20 miles. There are gaps and holes.
I set it this way so bomber pilots get a chance to get to target.
A good thing to do for a mission minded typed would be to fly ahead in mossies a knock out the radar at the bases along you chosen route. The bombers could follow up flying right through the hole.
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rgr thx Wotan
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It's a good setup, with more numbers it would be great. As far as the rebuild time I was referring to both strat and field objects. I appreciate that long rebuild times may turn some off but those who do attend can also be put off by the feeling of futility. In a perfect world the CT would have the numbers to see constant missions being launched but it's not and it's a fine line to choose a rebuild time. I like the radar update delay I'd like to see something like that in the MA.
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I think the game play in the CT tends to be more of a recreation of the battle, not so much the war.
If rebuild times were longer somebody would 'win' the map. Which is not the point. In this case that is not possible, but it would result in one side pissed that they could not fly anymore.
We are supposed to be replicating the long distance bomber groups and their interception when flying into germany. Not the damage they did to the germans.
Tonight the numbers should be huge, and I am really looking forward to it.
Also, we all know what happens when the map gets reset in the ct. ugghh....
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Wotan - Great job on this one S!!! I have really enjoyed flying in the CT this week. My only complaint is that I haven't had enough flying time due to other commitments. I hope this map and scenario comes back to the CT soon.
Avid
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Yeah shame I never had the time to play more, had a few early starts for work this week :( Was good fun though!
As for rebuild time, I'm not interested in longer rebuild time for the sake of field capture, that kind of capture the flag stuff is for the MA but with a quick rebuild time there is no way to push the enemy back and at least simulate a moving frontline, with the rebuild time as it is it's just a case of bomb, return, respawn then do the same again, same target there is no movement of the frontline you don't get the feeling you are winning any kind of battle such as pushing the Luftwaffe further back inland.
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Oh I see. That would be something, I remember discussions on the strat system where rebuild would decrease the closer you got to 'the homeland' which would be kinda cool. That way calaise would stay down for say 4 hours, while 'swinefurt' would only be down for 20min.....