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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Ice on September 05, 2000, 03:10:00 PM
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Since coming to AH, I've noticed some criticism directed towards those who fly with the intent of living and landing their kills, ie. this person is a scoremonger or an opportunist, etc., mostly made by LW pilots it seems.
Could some of you explain what thats about and in addition, enlighten me as to what is enjoyable about consistently failing or dying at the hands of the enemy?
I'm Out!
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Some guys fly to live some fly to "furball".....
We each pay our monthly fee and can fly however we want!!!!
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Originally posted by Ice:
Since coming to AH, I've noticed some criticism directed towards those who fly with the intent of living and landing their kills, ie. this person is a scoremonger or an opportunist, etc., mostly made by LW pilots it seems.
Could some of you explain what thats about and in addition, enlighten me as to what is enjoyable about consistently failing or dying at the hands of the enemy?
If that way of flying means that you wont dive to clear a mate's six if there are other cons nearby, and that you will run from perfectly winnable fights instead of staying and fighting,then, sorry but I call that:
-cowardice-[/i]
<FLAME SUIT ON>
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Ram, out
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I WANT THIS PLANE!!!!!!!
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[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-05-2000).]
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If your regarding the correspondence between St.Santa and I, its a joke that goes along way back, and has nothing to do with living, or flying smartly.
I personally encourage everyone in my squad during squad night to make it home alive, and not fall to AA if at all possible.
In regards to flying high, whatever floats your boat, however, most of the battles are down low, that's where the real pilot skill is, since just about anyone with alt can kill another in combat sims...just about anyone.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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ICE;
This amounts to "Talking Shmack".
From those not familiar, this means "Saying Insults that Contain Very Little Basis of Real Fact that are Meant to Intimidate".
Don't worry about it, fly the way you want and have fun.
Good Luck! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"hehehe...I like this thread squealing Bastids!"
SOB
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Whoa....
Didn't mean anything personal, just interested in everyones mindset and their approach to flying this sim.
Now....lets try this again and try to be civil (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I'm Out!
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Originally posted by RAM:
If that way of flying means that you wont dive to clear a mate's six if there are other cons nearby, and that you will run from perfectly winnable fights instead of staying and fighting,then, sorry but I call that:
-cowardice-[/i]
<FLAME SUIT ON>
BTW this does not qualify as Shmack, this just qualifies as whining.
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"hehehe...I like this thread squealing Bastids!"
SOB
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Originally posted by Minotaur:
BTW this does not qualify as Shmack, this just qualifies as whining.
why?...then tell me why, mino, is my opinion, not a whine.
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Originally posted by Ice:
Whoa....
Didn't mean anything personal, just interested in everyones mindset and their approach to flying this sim.
Flying. Fighting. Helping mates in trouble. Having fun. Being more interested in good fights than in landing my kills. (thing, that BTW is VERY important to me, I like A LOT to land my kills. But not at the cost of boring the sheep with long runs that lead nowhere but to YAWNS)
Running and refusing to help people in trouble, for sure, have nothing to do with my view of having fun in AH.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-05-2000).]
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I don't generally criticize other people's AH style, but I think I understand the problem.
Some players like to furball til the puke. They don't care about score, or whether they RTB. Heck, they don't WANT to waste time landing. They just want to dive into the fur and see how many kills they can get before they die.
Other players like to cruise the stratosphere looking for an unaware, isolated, or disadvantaged target. They want to get their kill then get out of danger. Get as many kills as possible without giving up the advantage, then return to base, land safely, and count their points.
The problem is when the cruiser finds a furballer on his way to the fur. The furballer just wants to get to the action. The cruiser wants to get a kill with the least amount of risk. The cruiser evaluates the situation, and makes his B&Z attack(s). He either gets the kill, or bugs out before he loses the advantage. Either way, it is more annoying than fun for the furballer, and he may be <cough> critical of the cruiser's refusal to "fight fair".
Of course, there are many players whose styles fall between the examples above. Some furballers like to land their kills. Some cruisers will push their attacks beyond safety. I think the problem arises when the extreme styles meet.
Or...something. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
In the end, everyone gets to define their own fun -- and live with the consequences.
popeye
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Point mongers are the same here as in AW and other sims I would imagine. I look at the ranking and all I think is why.
I'm here for fun and dying is a part of that fun.
I've been having a blast these 2 months I've been here and one of the challenges I like is to get into a fight and get beat up then try to limp home and land a damaged plane. In AW with their simplistic FM it wasn't a challenge except fot the disengagement move.
So let them rack up points, if they are having fun so be it. I look at the scores and know who is going to jump in and help till he's dead or badly damaged, middle and bottom of the score sheet, or the ones that fly for points and their country be damned, top of the score sheet.
Not saying that all the top scorers are like that, but it is a good, although not always accurate indication of a non team player.
Lars
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The word "Coward" doesnt descibe anybodies actions in this "game". Lighten up!
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Pop's always say's it the best (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'm a furballer who likes to land his kills. I dislike guys that hang out over a my furball and try to pick me off. I dont mind someone coming in with alt and tangleing up with me. I dislike the guy who runs as soon as he is even close to loseing his advantage. Some guys run before they even come close to loseing it. But like they say....we pay our own bills we fly the way we want. But if I can talk a guy into turning that would usually run forever....well thats always an extra good feeling when he goes down in flames (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) The guys that are hurt becuase of these words must, IMO have a guilty concience or it wouldnt trouble them so much (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
LLB OUT!!!!!!!
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Way out of wack..I dont know what you mean by top scorers but when I look at the knights that are ranked arround and above me (mid 20s) I see lots of guys that will dive to the deck to save my stupid butt without even asking...Now a steaker who cant get killed even once and still enjoy the game is a different breed of course. But none of the guys I fly with are like that. Most of the top 50 pilots(score wise) probably only have a 1.5-2.5 to 1 kill to death. These guys are getting killed plenty. There is no requirment to abandon your wingman to get a high score. Flying together and paritcipating in bombing and gooning is all it takes.
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ICE,
I don't think this is much different than the AW enviornment was...although WB does seem to have a higher % of "score mongers".
Eye is a great example of someone who picks his spots and fly's "smart"...he's also a damm good stick. I could name a dozen others who fly the same way.
Greatest thing bout these sims is you can fly anyway you want...just don't expect the other guy to fly the way you want him to (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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For most people:
Run from an enemy that has an advantage = smart flying
Enemy running from you when you have an advantage = smart flying that irritates you
For some people:
Run from an enemy that has an advantage = smart flying
Enemy running from you when you have an advantage = no skill coward
AKDejaVu
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Well put Popeye...still the same after all these years (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
MrLars...."dyin is part of that fun"? I will never understand that. I've had fun one v. ones and lost, and didnt mind getting beat by a better pilot. Thats how I've learned what I know.
LLBM....You are such a trouble maker (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) "I dont mind someone with alt coming in and tangling with me"? Thats funny....I'll bleed my E and alt jus so you can have an even chance to kill me...not from me slick (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) I'll continue to pick ya off now that I know it annoys you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
So far popeye understood what I was after...I was jus curious about what motivated some of you. Didn't mean anything nasty by it....Shmack its called? It's tough gettin old and not understanding such youthful expressions (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'm Out!
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
For most people:
Run from an enemy that has an advantage = smart flying
Enemy running from you when you have an advantage = smart flying that irritates you
For some people:
Run from an enemy that has an advantage = smart flying
Enemy running from you when you have an advantage = no skill coward
AKDejaVu
For me:
run away when a friendly con is surrounded by 4 cons and is yelling for help= no skill coward scorepotato
run away from a low con when there are 2 more enemy cons much lower =no skill scorepotato
run away from a close fight to "extend" and never come back because in fact you cant win in ACM with him= no skill scorepotato
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For me I would appreciate if you all called me Man Ho instead of a score potato (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I am amazed that I have been vulching for 6 years........................ ............. and I still enjoy it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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im with ram . the dudes that are hi in score are usualy the ones that fly in a tight little wad of vulchers and run at sight of opposition in equal numbers.
they dont then do real well in the one on ones. i like to see i can beat the other fellow with skill in a fair fight. they think runnin is a skill its simple really. turn the score off and give us 2 sides and it will get better.but they wont and it wont so screw it get mean
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Hehe...Killem ALL (let TOWD sort em out).
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Yeager
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I jabo, ALOT, and I mean ALOT. I rarely climb over 20k and I live most of the time, well maybe 50%. I love landing kills, I love rearming and going back up. I could get 10 kills on a flight but die, for me thats not good. 2 kills and living much better. I clear the 6 of just about anyone in the game, except for the insta frag dweebs that wade into 20 cons that are 5k above them, then scream for help. I am sorry but you brought that on yourself. Rarely does this happen, and sadly it depends on who it is. I see vila low with 5 cons on him, I will go blazing in, because I know his style and something went horribly wrong. Now mista trash talker super hero does that, sorry not gonna happen, maybe next time ya wont roll from a vulched field. Harsh, maybe. On the other end I dispise the 35k alt monkeys, they are usually in a fast plane and generally are just a pain in the ass, if seen they are usually easily avoided cause they will usually not risk anything.
Only score I watch is k/d and kills per sortie. Rest is pointless to me.
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Dnil---Skyhawk until I get Dnil back :)
Maj. 900th Bloody Jaguars
Part time aircraft restorer. www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer (http://www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer)
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Originally posted by RAM:
why?...then tell me why, mino, is my opinion, not a whine.
RAM;
Don't get me wrong, I respect the hell out of you.
But...
That is whine and you know it.
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"hehehe...I like this thread squealing Bastids!"
SOB
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im with ram . the dudes that are hi in score are usualy the ones that fly in a tight little wad of vulchers and run at sight of opposition in equal numbers.
Wow.. nice generalization. I guess I could say that people that complain about things like this only have a 2 inch noodle. I don't really have to know them, or know why they complain. I can just make general statements without backing it up.
AKDejaVu
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DejaVu....Intersesting viewpoint....and to think, I thought I was all alone here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Humble....you got that right...I can tell already that some get a little upset when things don't go their way (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
TOWD....Is it possible that you're just not good enough to rank with those at the top, so you criticize their MO? Not meant as a jab, just wondering.
RAM....see above
DNIL....I'm with ya on the 20 cons thing....I will always help my countrymen unless their suicidal.
Well thanks to all who posted here...kinda gettin a feeling for who I'm dancin with (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'm Out!
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Originally posted by ~Ice~:
TOWD....Is it possible that you're just not good enough to rank with those at the top, so you criticize their MO? Not meant as a jab, just wondering.
RAM....see above
Huh?...lol.
Until I created Erg/JG26 I flew mostly lonewolf sorties, climbing in Fw190A5s to 16K and being bounced all the time for not climbing more (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Hummm, no I dont mind a $H1T about scores...If I did then I'd goon and bomb more usually than I do (not difficult, I dont bomb/goon at all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)).
And I'd rather clean the six of a mate than survive...many people know this already. I guess that it is that I know how I'm doing in a tour regardless of the score list. So I fly for the joy not for a number in a classification (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Ice,
Watched ya flying between 13 and 14 tonight. REAL pretty 51 driving and great SA. Could never *quite* get my guns on you. S!
popeye <in the Knight La-5>
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I think Popeye got it right.
Nothing is more annoying to me than losing a fight because someone else was willing to waste more time climbing than I am. There seems to be a belief among some pilots that altitude equals skill.
This is made extra annoying by the problems with the flight models that limit the options of the low pilot. Fortunately this will be fixed within... 2 weeks. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 09-05-2000).]
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well i em not a big master of Ah usualy die before get chance to get home but i thing u learn when the situation looks lost and u survive
2 day a go we furbaled in enemy teritory 2 contra 5 or 6 we racked each up above 6 kils
we tryed to survive but the only way to survive vas never turn 6 to oponents
and i thing u learn much more in this kind of fight like a safe jump ower jump on low plane
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My BEST fights...are...when I get a con who has ALL the advantages to lose those advantages and go down in flames. I judge myself to have become a better pilot by takeing these advantages away.In WB's it was hard. In here its a real feat. There I could doit....I'd say 7 times outta 10. In here...3 times outta ten. I hope its like funked says and this will change soon. When your low in here you dont really have a snowballs chance in hell. But its still the BEST challenge in the world to beat the odds and hand it right back to the dude that really thought he had an easy kill.
LLBM OUT!!!!!!
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Heyas Popeye....
I know the La5 you were drivin....could'nt get my guns on you either...thanks for the compliment...bakatcha<S>
Oh btw....hope ya never get your guns on me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Take Care!
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I'm one of these bastiges who rarely looks at the score page. Heck, I usually ditch or auger just to keep from having to take that long uneventful flight back home. I used to watch my score in WB's, don't know why I don't care about it now, maybe I will next tour. If somebody wants to run, etc. that don't bother me much, maybe the guy has damage, low on fuel, needs to take a crap, who knows? I've run away plenty of times from overwhelming #'s, to get free so I could grab alt, and return.
I've only really gotten mad once at a runner, that was after I chased him across the map, (was like 4am, 8,10 people in the arena) for him to bail at altitude before I was close enough to engage him, just so the kill wouldnt hit the buffer. Now that could make the mildest guys mad. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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anyone lower than me is a target
any one above me is a alt monkey
no matter what alt i am at (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
i find very very few people that i have a problem with there flying. wether they were hiding in the ack, HOing, or running away they are all part of the game. this is not my job so i play for fun. when i have a problem with the way everyone else flys i will know the problem is with me and take a break or leave compleatly.
i thik the name calling on ch 1 is uncalled for most of the time. back in beta there was allways name calling but it was not hatefull as it is now. i am not sure when it changed. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) it used to be alot more relaxed here.
Trell
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Ice, some people are just sore losers. That explains most of the whining on ch1.
Some are just intolerant to other's point of view and mostly ignorant.
They have hard time realizing that another person may have different goals, interests and values then themselves.
Some are just stupid kids that throw around words like "cowardice" and "honor" talking about a computer game. They probably never encountered anything scarier in their life then the prospect of losing in a computer game and think that what the fear is.
I wonder how RAM plays chess. He would probably declare an opponent a coward for not moving all his pieces forward... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
They should get a life. A guy in AH surrounded by a bunch of enemies may be a Quake-style player who does not mind getting virtually shot down. Why should I lose my alt to help him if he got into the virtual trouble himself? In any case his life and health are not in danger. Maybe some ego, at most. Nobody dies when shot down in his chute or vulched.
Also, whan I am lonewolfing in the arena, why would I care about preserving/improving anybody's score whether he has a green icon or a red one? You may as well ask me to not shoot an opponent in my sights as to sacrifice my advantage to help somebody. I may do or not do both if I feel like it.
In a scenario or a special event a person is obligated by his voluntary agreement to take care of his wingie and his squad and his side and his mission, but in MA?
It is obvious that a good plot can defeat a newbie with just a few weeks of flying time in any plane under any circumstances before the newbie even realizes what is going on. The only way a new player has to enjoy the game and land some kills is to be very carefull, deny the enemy any opportunity to attack, let alone shoot, take only safest chances himself and observe the others from his high perch until he has enough experience accumulated to get down and mix it up with some chance of success.
It's pure hipocricy on the part of experienced players to say "you are doing wrong only attacking from above and escaping where you have 90% chance to survive, you should mix it up with me where I have 99% chance to kill you".
Here is my point of view:
Flying for survival may be a very interesting game by itself. It was only necessary to get 5 kills in dozens of missions to be considered an ace in WWII. LW aces took years to accumulate hundreds of kills. Hartman scored much less then one kill per sortie.
I would say that people that fly conservatively are much more true to the spirit of the sim.
In real life the inexperienced pilots (the live ones) were not known to be killed often. They were known to have much fewer kills per sortie, if any, then experienced ones.
Some experienced players bored with the usual gameplay and kill scoring may prefer to play as if they only have one life for variety sake.
Other people cannot spent enough time with a game to get very proficient even after a year or two and they also may prefer staying alive to trying to get a few kills at the expence of many deaths.
I do not get irritated by other players if they are not flying my style. It's their choice. Many prefer to talk rather then play, but that's what ".squelch" is for.
There are no bugs in this game related to this discussion, so anything anyone does with his $30 is perfectly legal.
RAM, if you do not like that a guy did not clear yours or somebody else's six, try to talk to him. Offer him to fly as your wingman for a few sorties. Demonstrate how much more fun it is working as a team. May be then he will share your values.
Regards,
miko
[This message has been edited by miko2d (edited 09-06-2000).]
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Originally posted by miko2d:
I wonder how RAM plays chess. He would probably declare an opponent a coward for not moving all his pieces forward... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
LOL!...chess is one of my favorite games (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
RAM, if you do not like that a guy did not clear yours or somebody else's six, try to talk to him. Offer him to fly as your wingman for a few sorties. Demonstrate how much more fun it is working as a team. May be then he will share your values.
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Oh, not me, I mean, not my 6. Every time I see someone REFUSING to help a mate in trouble (and I'm not speaking about the so helpless "troubleseekers" someone said above (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)), I have the need to puke. People that simply refuse to risk a life ON A GAME to raise his score. Damnit If I was soldier in a REAL WAR I'd wish those guys were in civil duties!!!!.
Miko, most people that doesnt clear 6s are EXPERIENCED guys here. Believe me I've seen it...
On the other side of the coin there are the wonderful guys that help a mate even with a con in his six (thanks vila, for that one yesterday)...of course it turns out that if he does it, the just cleared guy can then clear your own butt (heheh (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) was nice to kill that niki (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)).
But some people here will look...watch...and run. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif)
No talking will ever change that. Their eyes are on the score page, not in their mate's lifes.
And that sux.
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Originally posted by RAM:
If that way of flying means that you wont dive to clear a mate's six if there are other cons nearby, and that you will run from perfectly winnable fights instead of staying and fighting,then, sorry but I call that:
-cowardice-[/i]
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A very delicate situation.
I *will not* risk my own "life" just to clear someone's six if in doing so I will be put into a bad situation (i.e. die). I am under no obligation to do so, and while it may be valiant of me to clear someone's six, if it ends up with me being killed then what's the point? Give my life to protect someone who got themselves into a bad spot, while they may very well live?
Now if I hang around 3k above the fight and do nothing, and there is only one (maybe even two) people approaching my countryman's six........that's a different story. I do feel obligated to help if possible.
However, the only person I can consistantlyy rely on to help me (or call my six), and the only person I may take a big risk to help, is a squadmate.
Fury
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Ice, ya fly any way ya want to!
I only wish I could have the patience to land my kills. I might of landed 10 so far this tour. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) If I have fuel and ammo I will engage, unless it is total sucide.
If a countryman is in trouble and I can do something about it, I will give it my best shot.
I suck 1V1! So my best flying is during high traffic furballin. Where I can catch someone unawares! Sooner of later someone catches me ! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) But that is the way I like to have my engagements.
Up in my 109 one evening, I had a plan! OTW to the place I wanted to go, I ran into a enemy. Fighting this joker was not part of my plan, so I disengaged at the first opprotunity. Ya know, to carry on with my plan. Well this muttonhead starts critizing me over Channel 1! I smiled and kept on extending! Ya see, engaging him was not in my plan!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Oh BTW, carrying out my plan, I was quickly shot down over an enemy VH. Oh well, so much for my plan!
There is no moral to this story! So don't look for one!
Just fly the way ya want to!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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ICE...
I watch every film in which I die in, I watch allot of film (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) That way I can see what I did wrong...That's what I ment about having fun getting killed. It's part of the learning curve in AH that drew he here. Would be real boring if I rarely got killed.
Lars
[This message has been edited by MrLars (edited 09-06-2000).]
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Ice fly how you want and don't worry how other people want you to fly.
Ram what you are saying is basically who ever does not fly like you is a coward or a dweeb ...well I think anyone who whines about how others fly have small/no dicks and have their brains shoved into a bag of toejam that they hang out their car doors so they can wash them when they go thru a piss storm.
We all pay our money just like you and I personally couldn't care less what you think of my or any other's flying style.
I get so fed up of coming to this BBS and seing the same people squeaking because people won't fly like they want them to..they won't cover their 6 or they won't engage when they want them to... Hell get over it and fly.
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Mighty1
The New Baby Harp Seals
"Come try to club THIS Seal"
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This is my little routine....
1. On the runway I remind myself that I will make it home (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
2. I have a 25k rule that is in effect at least 80% of the time I fly.
3. Have a smoke and enjoy the grab...evaluate the map and current enemy activity.
4. Once I tally the enemy, enter the fight at no less than 300ias (need that cornering velocity).
5. Do not pull the trigger outside of 300 yrds.
I do not stay above never engaging the enemy...I simply engage on my terms....my favorite challenge is to dive thru a large enemy formation and make the kill inspite of their numbers, then saddle up above them again and watch them scatter like the vermin that they are (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I enjoy the large fuel loadout of the 51 and the ammo loadout as they both lend themselves to a long and satisfying sortie.
Last but not least, I rtb with no kills or many kills...my objective is to not allow my handle in your text buffer!
And finally, the less skill you percieve that I possess, the more that works to my advantage...I can turn my 51 and turn it well...If I can lull you to sleep, you're dead that much easier.
Turn-ons: The sound of a Merlin Engine...the pissy remarks my dead opponents make after they get bounced....speed....landin kills (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Turn-offs: Warps just before I pull the trigger....Discos (the bars of old as well) and whining of any sort!
Now I know that there are those that will criticize my flying style....sorry, but I dont care in the least what you might think...doesn't mean I don't like ya or even respect you, I just don't care what you think about how I enjoy flying this sim, nor will I ever care (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) If ya want to throw stones at me thats cool...just remember that when I kill ya, I'll be laughin my best MuHahahahahaha! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Thanks to everyone that posted...I respect most all of you...I was hoping thru this topic, that you might share your MO as I just did...kinda neat to know what goes thru the mind of your enemy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I'm Out!
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Originally posted by Mighty1:
Ram what you are saying is basically who ever does not fly like you is a coward or a dweeb ...well I think anyone who whines about how others fly have small/no dicks and have their brains shoved into a bag of toejam that they hang out their car doors so they can wash them when they go thru a piss storm.
We all pay our money just like you and I personally couldn't care less what you think of my or any other's flying style.
I get so fed up of coming to this BBS and seing the same people squeaking because people won't fly like they want them to..they won't cover their 6 or they won't engage when they want them to... Hell get over it and fly.
Oh well...'nother one that doesnt like me...
I love making friends (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
BTW you are missing my point entirely, but well thats your problem.
I am sure that when you are low against two enemies (stuck there after trying to help someone that died), and 4 friendlies are nearby and they dont dive to help because there is ONE con 5K higher than them...I am sure, I say ,that you will think well of them.
Yes?
me neither (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Ram,
We can tell your whining, your lips are moving. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) It isn't your job to judge others -game- play. Your not the umpire of this empire. Only trust your squadmates, your six is your responsability, and play your own game. Everything else is opinion.
Yet you feel big by tossing insults at the very players who might later be asked to come to your aid. Then call them cowards because they don't waste their sortie to save someone who managed to get himself two on one. Did ya ever ask yourself how that happened? Where was his wingman, etc etc.
Since you couldn't possibly know those answers, your voicing your opinion (rudely), without a clue. Somehow we manage to enjoy the sim without acting like a bulliboy, and passing judgement on the other players. Ya might try it sometime. I've never squeaked 'cause someone refused to help me out. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Cya up...Braz
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OK guys, you made it possible.
1-No more six call from ram
2-No more six clearing from ram
3-No more help from Ram
I will still stay and fight as is my way to have fun. But from now onwards dont expect to see me helping other people than that of JG26
And to the hell with everything else
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RAM, you are saying in your example that when four people decide for some reason to abstain from a fight and you alone think it is better for them to do so, that your opinion is automatically correct? And that without knowing their plans, their motives, their abilities, flying experience, IQ and the picture they see from where they are?
That is a bit presumptious on your part. I think it is just a youthfull overconfidence that will hopefully wane with age. Nothing personal - we all were there...
miko
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RAM,
The only problem I have with your attitude is that you take a posture of superiority.
We all must learn to trust our own judgement. If I think that I don't have a fighting chance, or that my potential opponents fighting chances are too good, then that is MY judgement and I have to act based on that information. We can't ask "Does RAM think we have a fighting chance in this situation?" or type into the text buffer "RAM, this is my situation, yadda yadda yadda. Should I engage or run?"
Your judgement my look like he has a fighting chance when you're at 1.5 on his 6, but you are not the one with an Fw190 bearing down on his 6. Its not your call to make.
Respect your judgement of your situation and respect others judgement of their own situation.
Sisu
-Karnak
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RAM...I don't agree with most of what you've said, but to do what you said in your last post is just childish, and by your own words, cowardice. Now, I don't think it'd make you a coward, but you seem to...take this post at face value - i'm not trying to slip anything in sideways here.
SOB
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Originally posted by SOB:
RAM...I don't agree with most of what you've said, but to do what you said in your last post is just childish, and by your own words, cowardice. Now, I don't think it'd make you a coward, but you seem to...take this post at face value - i'm not trying to slip anything in sideways here.
SOB
Childish? no
Tired? yes.
I dont see why must I die clearing sixes of people that wont do the same for me.
"What you give is what you get"-------->the most stupid lie in history
So I will do what others do. Coward?...LOL no, you all lost your chance of getting my help. I will give just the same as I get.
If that is childish, then I like being a child. At least I wont feel pissed because I do try to help all those who need me, for no reward.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-06-2000).]
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RAM...the reward is that you played the game like YOU think it should be played, and you had fun. The one point out of this whole thread that you're missing is that not everyone shares your opinion, and they shouldn't have to. Someone has alt on you, and they run from a fight, Someone is facing you one vs. one and HOs you, a teammate doesn't call your six, WHO GIVES A toejam?!? They had their reasons, they'll continue to have their reasons, and that won't change. So why get all huffy about it? Bah, nevermind!
SOB
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Originally posted by SOB:
WHO GIVES A toejam
Heh...I guess that till tonight I did.
Good thing that each day you learn a bit more...mostly about each one's way of rewarding other's actions.
They had their reasons, they'll continue to have their reasons, and that won't change. So why get all huffy about it? Bah, nevermind!
And now I have MY reasons.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-06-2000).]
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Ram,
Some people think someone not saying anything ruins the game. Others think that whining all the time ruins it.
Its definately a case where the loudest person does not necessarily win.
AKDejaVu
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The thing to consider in this debate is who's high and who runs.Players like myself who have only been flying for a few months try anything and everything to stay alive and get kills. Confidence helps build skills and vice versa. There are a lot of less skilled players in AH just waiting to bounce guys like Ram,ice or hblair. Hanging around a furball with players of your caliber only leads to a long flight back to the action.
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Some guys get their kicks from always fighting from an advantage, and extending when it doesn't exist.
Others go in just to die to save time.
Me, I find kills from an advantage amusing, but noot nearly as satisfying as a low level intensive furball reversal, or a co alt co e 1v1.
I try to live, even though my k/d probably should be higher. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime
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Goodness RAM!
Why change who ya are and how ya fly due to posts on a bbs?
Helping your mates is honorable....dying for others that are reckless and don't care is stupid. There is a marked difference between the two.
If I can help someone I will....If by doing so, it guarantees my death, I won't.
Anyone who would get mad at me because I wont commit suicide due to their reckless flying style ie...diving into an overwhelming enemy presence and then bleeding all their E...doesn't deserve any help....If I see a mate who is in trouble with 2 or 3 enemy closing on them, I'll be there in a New York Minute and do the best I can to clear their six.
Be true to who you are my little Spaniard...dont let this BBS dictate how you fly (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I'm Out!
Oh...BTW....get rid of that LW casket you drive and hop in a REAL Aircraft like the P-51, and ya might have more fun...it certainly is more of a challenge to fly (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Ice:
Goodness RAM!
Why change who ya are and how ya fly due to posts on a bbs?
NO,no, Ice...not nearly...In MA is the same, countless times I dive to clear someone's six from multiple bandits and when I zoom out a bugger gets my blind point (low six in a Fw190) and kills me with no warning at all from the people surrounding (usually more than 1 or 2 or 3...you get my point). The thing is that this happens at least one time per night, and I am not going to have this problem any more. I wont be the only sptupid that risks his "virtual" skin to save other's butt, and still be killed after it because the 6 country guys over me think that the SA is my responsability not theirs (with a F!"·$!ing con in my damned blind spot, oh yeah).
Bassically I help for no reward. And I am simply tired of it...the BBS is only a side-effect of this tiredness, here I see just the same story than in MA...you must care of your SA, its not our problem, etc etc etc.
so, it is my problem. It is big enough for me, so next time I see someone lower with a con on his six I will be "VERY BUSY" trying to care about my SA. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Oh...BTW....get rid of that LW casket you drive and hop in a REAL Aircraft like the P-51, and ya might have more fun...it certainly is more of a challenge to fly (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)[/b]
Lol...Did it in last tour for 3 days. 40/13 K/D in it flying it very agressively (I.E. no running away when in disadvantage, trying to fight 3-1 odds, and so (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)). In fact it is slightly better than my K/D with Fw190A5...
It's a nice bird...but I am a Würger pilot (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-07-2000).]
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On the other side of the coin there are the wonderful guys that help a mate even with a con in his six (thanks vila, for that one yesterday)...of course it turns out that if he does it, the just cleared guy can then clear your own butt (heheh was nice to kill that niki ).
Roger That RAM, was my pleasure, and thanks for the clear in return!
Vila
>[This message has been edited by Vila (edited 09-07-2000).]
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Never, ever, abandon your wingie.
Not even if it means certain death.
By all means, tell him to bug and start bugging yourself, but if they're catching him, reverse full throttle, unless it is utterly clear that you have no chance of making it there in time.
Because of this, flying with a wingie is actually more dangerous than lone wolfing, but also a lot more fun, and more effective (i.e we can actually stop an attack instead of just running away from it)
That's my view on things. Ice, ya lone wolf or fly with a wingie?
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime
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StSanta....
For about four years I winged with one pilot...Voss....he is on his way to this sim shortly.
Currently I fly lonewolf...when I perish, its ALL my fault.
I do owe kudos to Thunder for saving my butt last night...I had stayed on minus in his 190 a bit too long to keep E, but I love killin LW (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) While Minus did his imitation of a comet falling to earth, 2 spits and a niki were ib my position and I was low and slow...Thunder dove thru and cleared them off of me and I rtb'd...low fuel.
This may sound cold, but Voss and I have a policy...If ya get stupid, your on your own.
Now oddly enough, what this has done for us both over the years is teach us to stay sharp re: SA, airspeed and gunnery. We never expect to be responsible for each others safety...we work together well, dont even need voice comms after four years...neither of us wants the other to die because one of us made a stupid error...we fight as a team and help each other, but dont take anything for granted.
What can I say...it works for us (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
As far as leaving your wingman...I would only leave if my wingy told me to bug...which Voss would everytime...no need for ones mistake to kill us both.
I'm Out!
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Been trying to figure out whether RAM is over-compensating for an inferiority complex, or has a superiority complex. Finally figured it out. Suggest he seek treatment as soon as possible for his delusions of adequacy.
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Jus' cause yer paranoid don't mean I ain't out ta getcha.
GronK
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LOL!!!!!!
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Voss is coming over? Cool! Tell him Rip1 says <S>