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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Eagler on September 28, 2002, 01:03:05 PM
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sry
in this day & age we can't afford to sit around and "react" after the fact
a world leader needs to ACT first and the lemmings need to support us or shut up and get out of the way
Turkish Police Seize Weapons-Grade Uranium (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=578&e=1&cid=578&u=/nm/20020928/ts_nm/turkey_uranium_dc)
consider this:
our action today will be conventional
our reaction tomorrow will be nuclear
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Better hurry up and attack Pakistan.
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Or how about one of those former SU republics so willing to sell arms on the black market?
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Originally posted by Eagler
consider this:
our action today will be conventional
our reaction tomorrow will be nuclear
Yeah... let's just line up the towel heads and start shooting...
after that, we can go for those eastern europeans.
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Originally posted by Eagler
sry
in this day & age we can't afford to sit around and "react" after the fact
a world leader needs to ACT first and the lemmings need to support us or shut up and get out of the way
Turkish Police Seize Weapons-Grade Uranium (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=578&e=1&cid=578&u=/nm/20020928/ts_nm/turkey_uranium_dc)
consider this:
our action today will be conventional
our reaction tomorrow will be nuclear
Who exactly are you refering to when you mention these .."Lemmings" ?
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At least it shows once and for all that there's no way weapons-grade uranium can fall into the hands of bad guys.
Whew... we can all rest easy now. Good thing all of that stuff is so carefully kept under lock and key.
Now, tongue out of cheek, it's obvious that someday this stuff is going to get into the wrong hands. It's going to be possible to use a WMD against the US, most likely in a major city with world-wide recognition and symbolism. NYC and DC immediately spring to mind.
When it does happen, and I think it will in my lifetime, I'm betting it will be impossible to name the culprit(s):
1) without any doubt, meaning there will be no one to immediately strike out at
2) in any sort of timely manner... it could take years to trace the trail
So, I suggest y'all get comfortable with the idea that it WILL happen, that you WON'T know who did it (for sure anyway.. not sure enough to nuke 'em back or even "conventional" 'em back) and you'll just have to soldier on.
That's just my opinion of course.
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They found this stuff under someone's car seat.
"The incident happens at a time of mounting speculation the United States could launch a military attack on neighboring Iraq for its alleged program of weapons of mass destruction."
Now I ain't sayin' I believe one way or the other... (how the heck would I know?)... but it certainly strikes me as at least possible that this stuff could have been planted. Or is that too black helicopter-like? Strange days, and this stuff was "found" at a pretty, erhm, interesting point in time. Could be above board, I dunno... But it instantly stirred up the image of SNL's Church Lady...."How conveeeeenient".
Lol I bet I'm gonna get flamed for *not* quite taking at face value what I read in the press.
Speaking of images... When reading Eagler's post I had this very disturbing vision of Eagler sittin' at home in front of his TV... embraced by the warm blue glow from Fox news... Rumsfeld on screen saying stuff like "war.... now... dammit... or.... pretty please?" ... and Eagler sportin' a massive chubby... drool forming in the corners of his mouth.
Yer LOVIN' it dude. Admit it! :)
I feel kinda sick so I'm going for a walk. :D
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They got lucky with this capture..Lord knows what has already made it into the hands of Islamic fukheads.
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General Moustaffa (sp) is an Islamic fukhead dictator who regularly sends terrorists and his military to attack India. And he already has nukes. Let alone having fissible material found in a neighbouring country.
Better hurry up and invade Pakistan.
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nash
I ain't lovin any of it
wish like hell we could all live in peace
but your right, I'm sure it was just a plant :rolleyes:
Spook
the lemmings are anyone/country who whines and crys and gets in the way of world peace all the while not able themselves to punch their own way out of a wet paperbag, who runs to Uncle Sam at the first sign of a real fight
Thrawn
I bet money, the US military has the nukes in Pakistan
Bet they couldn't launch them if they wanted to. As unstable as that place was/is, don't you think that was the number one priority when the 1st rangers set foot in country?
be great if we could all "just get along" but the US has too many enemies, for whatever reason, and I say hit them before they hit us. Strange to see some of you could take a nuke attack on a major city as if it is destined to happen and there isn't anything we can/should do to prevent it. Error on the side of caution for cripes sake!
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Originally posted by Eagler
Strange to see some of you could take a nuke attack on a major city as if it is destined to happen and there isn't anything we can/should do to prevent it. Error on the side of caution for cripes sake!
Guess this would be me?
I admit it. I think it is destined to happen. If not now, then 1 year, 2 years, 5 years or 10 years from now.
There's simply too much material out there, too many folks willing to sell it to anyone for the right price" and more than enough people that would pay ANY price for the opportunity to do the job.
So, it'll happen, Iraq not withstanding. IMO, it's only a matter of time.
Now as to erring on the side of caution........ who would you have us attack?
Iraq? OK.. then who? Libya? Syria, Iran? Any and all Palestinians?
Not to mention a few others.
There's no telling if any one or multiple sovereign nations will involve themselves clandestinely in this type of attack.
Then there's the "wild card" possibility. Perhaps a group with NO support from a sovereign state (at least no traceable support) will hit us. WTC ring a bell?
I see the danger. I just don't see how you can counter it.
Unilateral action against sovereign nations without cause for a "just war" would make us just like...
Come on now, say it with me: Sadaam Hussein
So the solution is to become what we oppose?
The solution is to become like Saddam?
Right now, there's NO PROOF. If they had it, they'd be showing it around to the appropriate authorities and the US Congress as well as the other "responsible" nations in the UN would be speaking out and siding with us.
So far, I think all they've got is suspicion and supposition. Otherwise, much more support would be forthcoming.
Understand this: If they HAVE the proof and can show it, I'll support replacing the regime.
Until then, however, I don't want to become what we oppose. I don't want to become the antithesis of everything we have struggled and died for over the years.
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Eagler - just yankin' yer chain. Hope you knew that.
Yeah Toad... The fear I have is the US is entangling themselves ever deeper in a wash of contradictions. Terrorists, their stance on Isreal, their stance on Russia's handling of the rebels, Kyoto, lack of proof vs need for proof, the world court, holding prisoners in Cuba, the new 1st strike policy, breaking the treaty with Russia, Taiwan, which counties can and cannot have nukes.
Just makes my head spin.
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Just imagine 4 timed to go off at the same time, just like the 4 hijacked planes. A nuke in NY, DC, LA and Houston (oil refineries) would cripple us BADLY. That's my fear of if, not when.
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Nash, some of those things may bother me and some may not. Depends on what you're saying about them. :)
I think we'd take the first WMD strike against us if we had no proof and couldn't trace it. Oh, we'd freak out and we'd run in circles and scream and shout. But I don't think we'd just start lobbing nukes back unless we could "prove" the target.
After the first one though....
There's where I start to worry. Multiple strikes may just swing the pendulum to the "time to clean house" mode.
And that might well be the end. Because it would NEVER end.
It's a truly fine mess.
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"Made in W. Germany"........ makes ya wonder.
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Pakistan has a General in power for god's sake. You know, the one Bush lovingly calls General because he's too unimportant for his name to be remembered.
Like Thrawn says, he supports terrorists and has nukes - so why side with him?
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"ISTANBUL, Turkey (CNN) -- Turkish authorities Sunday released two men accused of attempting to smuggle a quantity of uranium, saying the amount in their possession was only a fraction of what officials originally estimated.
Turkish officials announced Saturday they had seized a box filled with nearly 35 pounds (15 kilograms) of uranium. But Muzaffer Dilek, the mayor of Sanliurfa, a Turkish city near the Turkey-Syria border, said Sunday that the material amounted to only 140 grams -- about five ounces.
The two men arrested with the material were released due to lack of evidence and have since disappeared, Dilek said. "
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/09/29/turkey.uranium/index.html
Just upped and released them eh? Then they just upped and disappeared eh?
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Originally posted by Thrawn
"ISTANBUL, Turkey (CNN) -- Turkish authorities Sunday released two men accused of attempting to smuggle a quantity of uranium, saying the amount in their possession was only a fraction of what officials originally estimated.
Turkish officials announced Saturday they had seized a box filled with nearly 35 pounds (15 kilograms) of uranium. But Muzaffer Dilek, the mayor of Sanliurfa, a Turkish city near the Turkey-Syria border, said Sunday that the material amounted to only 140 grams -- about five ounces.
The two men arrested with the material were released due to lack of evidence and have since disappeared, Dilek said. "
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/09/29/turkey.uranium/index.html
Just upped and released them eh? Then they just upped and disappeared eh?
great security in that part of the world eh?
hopefully they "disappeared" for good - 6 ft under the grnd - after they told what they knew