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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JB73 on September 28, 2002, 06:00:27 PM
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Ok rooks...
After futile attempts at trying to get help to defend one of the "Zone Bases" of AKDESERT map I realized that nobody had a clue about how the new zone strat system worked.
My only hope is that if I explain it here you will read it and put a stop to us getting our arses handed to us on that map.
All sections of the map have strats. These strats are owned by the country that owns the "Zone Base" for that zone. All large fields are "Zone Bases".
Any enemy base within a zone gets NO resupplies.
When a "Zone Base" is captured all the strats belong to the country that took the base. Even if the zone has 30 of our bases and 2 enemy bases (1 of them being the "Zone Base") we will get no supplies to our fields.
This means that town rebuild time is longer. Troops will not come back. Fuel will not come back. Ammo will not come back. You get the idea.
This can be countered by manually resuppling bases with dozens of C47 runs.
Of course with our numbers always low we don’t have the manpower to run all these supplies.
The logical response to this is that we need to keep all zone bases, and also try to capture others. The meaningless slamming of a small field in the middle of a zone is usless. If we kill all the strats then capture it, the base will be useless to us without 10 or so C47 runs.
We need to concentrate our efforts on getting to these "Zone Bases", and also killing strats at enemy bases that are in our zones. This is what the bishops and knights seem to be doing to us every time we are on this map.
Well that’s my two cents worth of strategy on the AKDESERT map. I hope you all understand this now and we can work together on winning this map for once.
<<>> to all Rooks.
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Zones are irrelavent.
Rebuild times for hangars in enemy zones are unchanged. A hangar will take 15 minutes to rebuild in an enemy zone, just like a friendly zone.
Other strat supposedly takes half again or twice as long to rebuild, but I havn't tested it. For the most part, the huge number of fields makes these increased rebuild times fairly unnoticable.
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What part of the strat system should I use to get better furballs?
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I've made copies of this and will submit it to my flight leader...
On review it will be submited to the XO for his approval..
If approved it will be submitted to the CO..
At that time if the CO deems it appropriate it will be distributed to the squad members at our weekly meeting...
..after the "entertainment"
depending of course on how long the "entertainment" lasts..
Most times we never get past the "entertainment"
And this week looks to be exceptional :D
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JB73 - see what you're up against? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by JB73
Ok rooks...
After futile attempts at trying to get help to defend one of the "Zone Bases" of AKDESERT map I realized that nobody had a clue about how the new zone strat system worked.
It's not that most of us don't know the strat system, it's the fact that most of us hate the pizza and don't care who resets it.
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Originally posted by Goth
It's not that most of us don't know the strat system, it's the fact that most of us hate the pizza and don't care who resets it.
Rookville isn't the only country that feels this way :(
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Something seems strange too.
Today I've seen a:
1) a field get captured with town buildings up
2) a field get captured with "invisible troops" - two friendlies were waiting right in front of the map room, don't see any GV near by, and then *whammo* field capture, ack up, GVs die)
3) deacked field reacked under 10 minutes(I know, because I was there when the field was freshly deackec)
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Originally posted by Goth
It's not that most of us don't know the strat system, it's the fact that most of us hate the pizza and don't care who resets it.
if ur gona log on and fly to LOSE, why up a fighter or buff.
just up a goon and keep announcing on channel 1 where ur ar
each time. would make it easier for u to lose.
if u dont care if u win then u shouldnt be playing, just a waste
of ur money and HTs bandwidth.
whels
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Originally posted by Innominate
Zones are irrelavent.
Rebuild times for hangars in enemy zones are unchanged. A hangar will take 15 minutes to rebuild in an enemy zone, just like a friendly zone.
Other strat supposedly takes half again or twice as long to rebuild, but I havn't tested it. For the most part, the huge number of fields makes these increased rebuild times fairly unnoticable.
You are correct...strats do not affect hangar rebuild time. Hangars and the shore batteries, however, are the only structures that are not affected by strats. While I haven't formally tested it, either, I have seen fuel, ammo, etc stay down an inordinate amount of time on the pizza map. Here (http://www.netaces.org/ahbombing/bombing2.html#title) is a chart showing how long different things stay down without resupply.
The other part we all seem to miss is the effects of destroying factories and cities within the zone. Only with them destroyed is the full effect of the strat model able to be brought into play. I believe the pizza map is the only one with this model implemented, but I am not sure.
HAMMER
netAces.org - Tactics, Info and More! (http://www.netaces.org)
=GHOSTS=....You Will Believe! (http://www.ghost-squadron.org)
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on the pizza map it doesnt matter how long fuel etc stays down.
There are so many alternate fields, nobody cares, or indeed notices the increased times. The lack of an effect on hangars makes it worthless for attempting to take a base, since the VH will always come up after only 15minutes, and you're going to get swarmed with ostwinds.
The only practical effect of strat is that you can bomb a field's fuel and stop an attack.
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if u dont care if u win then u shouldnt be playing
To think of the years I've wasted...
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that is why the rooks get reset on the AK map all the time the are oblivious to the strat side of that map @ first I thought rooks just dint like pizza only Beer....
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Poopy this is a serious game. Don't punish yourself by having fun.
Hooligan
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I like this map. It's weekend chore friendly.
Just take drop tanks and mow the lawn. Come back, scroll the map in and out alot.
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Originally posted by Goth
It's not that most of us don't know the strat system, it's the fact that most of us hate the pizza and don't care who resets it.
now this man has a point ;)
I dont much like the pizza map but not because i dont appreciate the work done by the AK's. What i find the most annoying really is that the new strat system detailed above is really lost in this symetrical and im sorry but dull layout.
We had a cjance to add a very large map that could have given us scope for a whole host of ideas in terms of a variety of zones or distanced bases.Perhaps some city like areas for ground vehicle stuff.A few places where furballs would rule and a few where bombing would be the only way to getthe job done.I was incredibly dissapointed in the new large scale map because what we got was merely a large mass of bases.
Theres no real sense of realism to these types.
I'd liked some maps that i felt were superb for their ballance of bases whilst still maintaining a sense of realism like the tunisia map. What we had a chance to do with the large scale maps was to redo the mediteranean or european maps.I know its possible to make these types ourselves if we can and this is why i do appreciate the work the AK's did as i can never put in the time to do it myself but i do feel its an oppertunity lost.And most likely now most feel that large scale maps just dont work.When in fact they have hardly been given a chance.
kinda sad really.but back to the thread, lol. Youre right the rooks dont fight too good do they? but then neither do the bish or knits.This game is NEVER going to behave they way you would want it to, ive found that out in the last 2.5 years.
If you want furballs the strat lovers are going to annoy you.If you like capture the furballers will annoy you.If you like historical matchups your garenteed to see the wrong plane to fight.The best way is to accept what we have as the norm and hope that every now and then something happens that makes you enjoy it :)
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u know what hazed.... (close second to beet1e)
u have the best reply so far.
im not concerned about the furballeres or the strat potatos... i just want to see my country succeed.
the bummer of it is without knowing how this map works we never will. :(
the reason i posted this is....the simple fact of what the AK's were trying to do ... most others missed.
on a second note... here's a link to the "Terrain Editor General" forum. the post is an idea for a mpa that i came up with. go ahead and check it out and lemme know what you all think.
JB73 Map Idea (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65254)
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the strat for the pizza map is to log out of it and into CT :)
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Originally posted by whels
if ur gona log on and fly to LOSE, why up a fighter or buff.
just up a goon and keep announcing on channel 1 where ur ar
each time. would make it easier for u to lose.
if u dont care if u win then u shouldnt be playing, just a waste
of ur money and HTs bandwidth.
whels
Generalisimo Whels,
Once again you impart your inifinite wisdom to me, and yet it carries zero weight. Perhaps this would be a novel idea to you, but I fly to have fun, so when someone orders out for Pizza I decerease flying time and mostly furball until my squaddies ask me to help with base attacks.
By the way, if you are so interested in keeping the bandwidth down, quit opening your mouth and that hot air will not foul up the internet.
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I don't care who resets the pizza map or how.. so long as there are good fights at close fields till it happens. In all the time I've been on I think I've seen 1 maybe two resets... don't care if I ever see another one or not.
call me selfish but... I don't give a toejam who "wins the war".
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Selfish.
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See if we ever give YOU the Pizza Map Victory Medal.
It's doubtful you'll ever wear the Lake Uterus Campaign Medal either.
NDIsles Occupation Medal? Dream on, Public Relations weenie!
Don't even think about the Baltic Campaign Ribbon. It's for real men.
Forget about the Mindinao Victory Medal too... you won't qualify you selfish little furballer!
You won't be getting the Anti-Bish Service Medal either, so don't get your hopes up.
In short, when YOU come marching home Johnny the ladies WILL NOT turn out. Your computer generated tunic will be bare of any decoration whatsoever. Your virtual self will be drinking ALONE in the pub. Nice girls (and not-so-nice girls) will have nothing to do with a ... a .. a... FURBALLER!
Cya up there....... save me a table at the Fur Ball.
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well... perhaps I was a little hasty... I did enjoy the new car and two week paid vacation I won for being on the side that "won the war" during the one reset for my "country".
lazs
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strat is irrelevant :eek:
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Originally posted by Goth
Generalisimo Whels,
Once again you impart your inifinite wisdom to me, and yet it carries zero weight. Perhaps this would be a novel idea to you, but I fly to have fun, so when someone orders out for Pizza I decerease flying time and mostly furball until my squaddies ask me to help with base attacks.
By the way, if you are so interested in keeping the bandwidth down, quit opening your mouth and that hot air will not foul up the internet.
it imparts nothing to us cause u live to lose. u have fun losing? lol
a fun loser, is just a plain loser. u dont want me to reply, dont post to me or chat to me on channel, ur a hipocrit and a waste of time.
whels
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The best thing about the pizza map is that Lazs hates it. :D:D:D:D
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Originally posted by whels
it imparts nothing to us cause u live to lose. u have fun losing? lol
a fun loser, is just a plain loser. u dont want me to reply, dont post to me or chat to me on channel, ur a hipocrit and a waste of time.
whels
It's sad to think you truely think that Whels. It's funny, I don't feel like a loser when I get more perks in a half hour of flying than you get for a country reset. If I truely cared about resets, I doubt I would be a rook, and for that matter I don't expect to see your group rook anytime soon which will continue to make me ecstatic.
fact: I have fun flying with my friends and squadmates.
fact: I don't have to win the virtual war to have fun, I garner as much fun if not more when I don't worry about gathering 50 rooks together to bang a small airfield.
fact: You're psychic, therefore you know my feelings about strats and base capture.
fact: Get a grip Whels, your self importance is rather small in the grand scheme of things.