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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SFRT - Frenchy on October 03, 2002, 10:22:31 AM
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For my general knowledge, can you explain me in a few lines where your squad name comes from, what they flew, where, in what context?
Jg2 ... what's the diff with any other Jg? How about the Cactus AF? Lentolaivue 34, GIAP VVS ...
Don't bounce me to a 3 page web site explanation, please just drop a few line about your squadron to help me look more smart next time I read a WW2 book :D
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In Aces High my squad is
3rd Staffel Jagdgeschwader 2 "Richthofen"
3./JG 2
The nominal strength of a staffel was 12 aircraft. A Staffel formation comprised of three Schwärme.
http://www.luftarchiv.de/luftwaffe/jagd.htm
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/jgstruc.htm
The staffel was the lowest grade of formation within the organisation. Commanded by a Staffelkapitän usually an Oberleutnant or Hauptmann, members of it's flying personnel would supervise the technical and signals branches as secondary duties. Late in the war some Staffeln had their numbers raised to 16 aircraft on strength nominally.
Staffel color assignment when there were three Staffeln composing a Gruppe
Staffel / Gruppe / Color
1. I. White
2. I. Black or Red
3. I. Yellow (gelbe)
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4. II. White
5. II. Black or Red
6. II. Yellow
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7. III. White
8. III. Black or Red
9. III. Yellow
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10. IV. White
11. IV. Black or Red
12. IV. Yellow
Staffel color assignment when there were four Staffeln composing a Gruppe
Staffel Gruppe Color
1. I. White
2. I. Black or Red
3. I. Yellow (gelbe)
4. I. Blue
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5. II. White
6. II. Black or Red
7. II. Yellow
8. II. Blue
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9. III. White
10. III. Black or Red
11. III. Yellow
12. III. Blue
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13. IV. White
14. IV. Black or Red
15. IV. Yellow
16. IV. Blue
My squad would be a part of I. Gruppen Jagdgeschwader 2 "Richthofen"
I./JG 2
Group designations are indicated with Roman numerals.
Gruppen would be identified as follows starting with 1st group
Gruppen were made up of 3 to 4 staffeln and a Stab of 3 to 4 ac
A Geschwader would be made up of 3 to 4 Gruppen and a Stab
- Stab/JG 2
- I./JG 2
- II./JG 2
- III./JG 2
- IV.JG 2
Number of Aircraft in a Jagdgeschwader
Stab (±4 a/c)
3-4 Gruppen (each Gruppe also a Stab flight of 4 a/c)
3-4 Staffeln in each Gruppe
12-16 aircraft in each Staffel
Early
Geschwader Stab 4 a/c
I. Gruppe + Stab = 36 + 4 a/c
II. Gruppe + Stab = 36 + 4 a/c
III. Gruppe + Stab = 36 + 4 a/c
Total of 112 a/c
Middle
Geschwader Stab 4 a/c
I. Gruppe + Stab = 36 + 4 a/c
II. Gruppe + Stab = 36 + 4 a/c
III. Gruppe + Stab = 36 + 4 a/c
IV. Gruppe + Stab = 36 + 4 a/c
Total of 164 a/c
Late
Geschwader Stab 4 a/c
I. Gruppe + Stab = 64 + 4 a/c
II. Gruppe + Stab = 64 + 4 a/c
III. Gruppe + Stab = 64 + 4 a/c
IV. Gruppe + Stab = 64 + 4 a/c
Total of 276 a/c
The Geschwader commander held the title of Kommodore (Kdore), and was usaully a Major, Oberstleutnant or Oberst. His Staff included and adjudant, an operations officer, an intelligence officer, a navigation officer, technical officers, a signal officer and such other specialist officers as the nature of the unit and task might dictate.
Individaul Staffels would be designated as follows
I group would be
- Stab I./JG 2
- 1./JG 2
- 2./JG 2
- 3./JG 2
- 4./JG 2 (mid to late war)
II group would be
- Stab II./JG 2
- 5./JG 2
- 6./JG 2
- 7./JG 2
- 8./JG 2 (mid to late war)
III group would be
- Stab III./JG 2
- 9./JG 2
- 10./JG 2
- 11./JG 2
- 12./JG 2 (mid to late war)
IV group would be
- Stab IV./JG 2
- 13./JG 2
- 14./JG 2
- 15./JG 2
- 16./JG 2 (mid to late war)
3./JG 2 Started out in 109s during the Battle of France and through out the Battle of Britain. Then converted to 190s. JG 2 along with JG 26 were only dayfighters assigned to luftflotte 3 after the invasion of the Soviet Union.
Helmut Wick was promoted to Staffelkapitan 3. Staffel/JG 2 on June 9, 1940 became the leading ace of the Richthofen Geschwader with his 12th air victory.
Promoted to Hauptmann and Gruppenkommandeur of I Gruppe/JG 2 on Sept. 9, 1940. With his score to 41 air victories, Wick was awarded the Ritterkreuz mit Eichenlaub (Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves) on Oct. 5, 1940 and then promoted Major and Kommodore of JG 2 "Richthofen" .
Wick shot down his 55th victory during an early sortie on Nov. 28, 1940 to become the leading fighter ace in the world. Later in the day, on a "Freie Jagd" over the English Channel, Wick scored his 56th victory, a Spitfire. In turn his aircraft was shot down by Battle of Britain ace Flt. Lt. John Dundas of 609 Squadron, RAF. Wick was seen to bale out over the Channel, his "Geschwaderstab Schwarm" mate Hptm. Rudi Pflanz circled the area calling over the radio that a "Spitfire was down" hoping to attract British air/sea rescue. Pflanz continued to circle until his fuel was almost empty, crash-landing at landfall on his return over the Channel but Wick was never found.
Pflanz shot down Dundas right after Dundas got Wick.
Heres what planes I flew last sortie, and every tour since I joined a LW squad looks the same.
(http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/Clipboard.jpg)
The 1st lw squad I joined in AH was Jagdverband 44 "Platzschutzstaffel" later we became JV44 "The Wurger Staffel".
If you are interested in what Jagdverband 44 "Platzschutzstaffel" was let me know.
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Nice information Wotan.
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Mute and I thought it up, in December of 95. I was flying Hellcats, 38s and A-26s. Mute favored the Cat and 109.
Also, see "Aces of the MOL", "History of the MOL", and "No Singing".
popeye **MOL**
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I could post and tell ya what the FDB's are all about, but you wouldn't be able to read it while at work.
I know I sure can't.
....and Fatty is evil. I have a mental scar to prove it.
F.
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Wotan, that's very good information, ty. Could you post a profile of one of your plane so I can understand the "colors assignment" you are talking about pls?
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I think, but I'm not sure, that all the 'color' is is what color the planes number was written in on the side. I.E. White 9, or Yellow 5.
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Dang it.............. Sorry frenchy had a nice reply but was unable to post it because too many images. So I am going to post a few links so I dont have to re write it. Sorry but mostly they are images. :)
(http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/3jg2.jpg)
The above image would be the Staffelkapitan of 3./JG 2
The yellow (gelbe) number and the lone Balkankruez fuselage markings mean its a 3rd Staffel, 1st group aircraft. The red "R" is the Geschwader marking. In real life the red "R" would be under the cockpit and the Staffel mark would be on the cowling.
3./JG 2 staffel emblem was a blue flag with a yellow sword and the words "Horrido".
(http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/3JG2-1.jpg)
In AH my squad uses the red "r".
Goto this site and scroll to the bottom and it will have images of the various tactical markings.
http://www.luftarchiv.de/luftwaffe/jagd.htm
Go here to
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/jgmark.htm
Finally the Reichsverteidigung markings (RVT Markings)
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/jgmark2.htm
Salute
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Frenchy heres the lw color chart, in case you try any lw skins :)
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/jgrlm.htm
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Lentolaivue 34 was a "crack outfit", specifically established for the new Messerschmitt 109 G-2 fighters that Finland purchased from Germany in February 1943. The squadron commander was allowed to pick the best fighter pilots from all units of the Finnish Air Force.
The direct translation for Lentolaivue 34 is "'Flight Squadron 34". On Feb 14th 1944 all frontline units received an operational prefix, with a fighter squadron becoming Hävittäjälentolaivue - HLeLv, which translates as "Fighter Squadron".
Lentolaivue 34 achieved 345 confirmed kills with its MTs between Mar 13th 1943 and Sept 4th 1944 while losing only 30 planes (of which 13 in air combat, 5 in A-A fire, 7 in accidents and 5 due to technical faults). 12 pilots were killed or missing and 1 became POW. 3 pilots were awarded the Mannerheim Cross, which is the highest military decoration of Finland.
During the continuation war (6/41-9/44) Finns achieved 1567 air victories. 550 of these were won during 1944. Own casualties were 536 planes of which 209 in combat. 155 Finnish pilots achieved air victories, 87 of them had 5 or more kills.
Read more from our squadron website: http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34 -> History
Camo
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Our squad CO lives in Alaska, that is why he chose the 11th air force. They were based in Alaska.
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Livestock Liberation Front.
The members of LLF have always had a thing for Sheep :)
Actually, we were named 3/JG5 Eismeer (JG5 served in Finland and in Norway) in the MA then Harppa (he is finnish, explains it all) changed the name to Livestock Liberation Front and we've kept it in the MA.
In the CT we're still 3/JG5 Eismeer though.
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Awsome, thank you. I have to print and learn, but it definitly helps to figure out all those hyrogliphs.
In the 56thFG, it's way easier.
The 56thFG had 3 Squadrons, the 61FS, the 62FS and the 63FS. On the begining of the they were painted like any 8thAF P47, like the D11 we have in Aces high. It was a white cowling and the white horizontal stripes on the vertical and horizontal stabilators.
The code letter was made of 3 letters.
HV for the 61FS.
LM for the 62FS.
UN for the 63FS.
The 3rd letter was generally the first letter of the last name of the pilot.
For example, Hub Zemke, the 56th CO while flying for the 63FS had his plane carrying UN-Z. Sometimes, you could find a 3 letter code with the last letter being underlined. This was used when two pilots had their first name starting with the same initials.
Later in the war, the 56thFG went for more colorfull paint jobs. The red cowling became the 56th standard (but other P47 squadrons in other theater of ops had red nose also). The squadron color was carried on the rudder.
61FS red rudder.
62FS yellow rudder.
63FS blue rudder.
David Schilling, 56thFG (red nose), 62FS (LM letters - yellow rudder)
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
MAke me smarter
Impossible! :D
Dunno about the squad, ou have to ask Messy about that :)
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we are a fictional LW squad....
1st (or I) Jabostaffel doesnt exist .. well it did for 3 months 6-8 yrs ago.
2nd (II) Jabostaffel we a major squad in AirWarrior. (they even had a base named after them.
we are now in the 3rd formation of the Jabostaffel (see signature)
the name is based on Jabo (dive bombing) and Staffel (squad or groupe)