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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Kirin on October 04, 2002, 03:50:31 AM
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Man was I eager to get my hands on the new pre-release... waited for hours... delayed... ok, played the whole BF1942 single-player campaign... 4am local time --> checking wwiionline site... "TEST HALTED" - oh no! Went to the forums: Looks like the pre-release install routine deletes your root directory if you don't have an older test folder somewhere... --> many systems not bootable... woha!
Still looking forward to 1.7 - maybe doing a HD image first... ;)
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hhhhmmmmmmmmmm.....
Guess you'll have to wait till next year for the release......
:D
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its a simple fix, but your average pc user is gonna geek.
Anyhow I tried it before they shut down the servers and it looked really cool. The grass and trees while not what I would call 3d yet are very well done.
My frame rates didnt apear to be much different, but then I had decent frame rates already.
I didnt try any of the new vehicles I was too busy sneaking around in the grass.
The new bullet hole effects also added a nice touch.
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Oh, man, they just... can't... get... it... right...
The legend of CRS just grows...
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Humm ... strange, no cheerleaders around ... I guess they are now reinstalling Windo$ ;)
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What.. no "It worked fine on my system"?
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Do you know why Ak? Becouse theres no "my system" to make it work with.
Couldnt resist, sry ;) :)
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BWAAAAAAaaaahahahahahahahahah aahahaaaaaaaa Bwoooooohohohohohohohohohohoh ohohohhoooo Mwaaaaahahaahahhahahahahahaha hahahaha
(http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/extern/626629.jpg)
P.S. *scupcake*
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That's an easy mistake to make, I'm sure.
Anyone can be tricked into putting a virus on their PC. :D
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Originally posted by gatt
Humm ... strange, no cheerleaders around ... I guess they are now reinstalling Windo$ ;)
it worked fine for me and I use XP pro
It only affected a small percentage of people but I suppose if it was you it would be a big deal.
Thats why they called it a BETA
the main arena was open and it works fine.
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Its strange... but I've downloaded alot of betas with alot of different problems. I've never seen one that cleared a HD before... or even a system directory.
Seems more like a virus.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by gatt
Humm ... strange, no cheerleaders around ... I guess they are now reinstalling Windo$ ;)
Now that was funny :D
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You know what they say..
you can dress a monkey a in fine silk dress , but its still a monkey.
But now CRS just spanked it hahahahahahaha.
And this "its a BETA" excuse.. c'mon , no beta in HISTORY has ever deleted root c: . CRS yet again pushes the frontier of incompetence to a whole new level.
(/joke off)
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Originally posted by gatt
Humm ... strange, no cheerleaders around ... I guess they are now reinstalling Windo$
ROFL :)
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didn't the same thing happen to WW2OL's twin sister, Anarchy Online?
small percentage or not, disclaimers or not, never send a hacker to do a programmer's job.
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Sheesh..Prolly many folks are now having new sexual fantasies of torturing CRS developers!
I would have if my C: had gone to HD heaven..
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makes for some good press huh?
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> Looks like the pre-release install routine deletes your root
>directory if you don't have an older test folder somewhere.
Thats old news....
Your living in the past...
You must not have enough system...
You prolly don't know what you're doing...
This is all somehow Strategy First's fault...
You're mistaken, it never happened...
They've already got a fix for that in next version...
It works fine on my machine...
You need to tweak...
BUY MORE RAM!
:rolleyes:
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Stop spinning it, AK. ;)
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Originally posted by AKWabbit
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Thats old news....
Your living in the past...
You must not have enough system...
You prolly don't know what you're doing...
This is all somehow Strategy First's fault...
You're mistaken, it never happened...
They've already got a fix for that in next version...
It works fine on my machine...
You need to tweak...
BUY MORE RAM!
:rolleyes: [/B]
LOL, is that like a business card they carry around, cheat sheet of sorts? :)
"Comrades!
When dealing with the end users, these are acceptable answers..."
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>LOL, is that like a business card they carry around, cheat sheet of sorts?
"Idiot Cards" for the WWIIOL Phanbois.
:cool:
Wab
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I glad to see wwiiol back on the right track.......lol
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Puts on Flame Retardent Suit.
Yep, they shot themselves in the foot. It effected ppl with NT base code win2k and xp. They added a small preinstaller that would move your existing ww2ol install to a "test" directory. Beta ppl had an exisiting "test" folder but those who didnt(new guys trying out the beta for first time) didn't. This seemed to have made the installer have its way with files. Most seem to have lost an NT loader and this prevented the os from coming back up on a reboot. The xp cd would fix that. Some have posted they lost their entire C drive. I dont know to much about that, but it would piss me off too.
If you are looking for huge rants, I think you may be disappointed.
Our boards seem to have taken it in stride. I assumed there will be some who dont.
The installer is being fixed, and the beta will prolly resume tonight. Those that got to play ..win98se, like me for one, found it had some nice improvments.
BTW PPl with phat machines..say 2100xp, will not see as big an increase in FPS than ppl with slower machines but with T&L support. If you are fast enought your machine can do the code processing AND the graphic feeds with or without T&L.
hardcase
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Man, I had to go and look at the 1.7 beta boards for myself. It's like a train wreck.
I'm surprised there aren't so many upset people, but they were selected out a long time ago, I guess. I mean, from what people have to do to get WW2OL to run well, reinstalling the OS isn't that big of a step.
then again, sounds like it hit the new generation of paying beta testers the hardest.
And I recall whining about CRS forcing things into certain directories, especially the root directory. (wht was it C:\crs\playgate to run C:\program files\strategy first\crs\playnet\ww2ol ?)
this is the sort of thing I've always considered bad programming practice. Now at least, we've got a tangible case to point to when complaining about such idiocy.
beta resumes tonight. May I suggest a 2-minute ceasefire to honor those whose hard drives have fallen?
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I just talked to a head rat. He says that the installer would only destroy files in the C:/ root..the NTLDR(Net Loader from NT code on the xp/2k sys) for one. Someone losing EVRYTHING on the C: Drive wasn't caused by the installer. This is just the message. Dont shoot the messenger.
How a guy could loose everything out of every folder, and this not happen to all the xp/win2k(losing only the files in C:/ and not the directory stuff), makes me hope they just couldn't boot up and thought they had lost all of the C:/ drive.
hardcase
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You want the choice built in. I agree. I think you can install to any drive, but the only caveat is that the path have no spaces in it. But, if you must default, it must default to the only drive a proggie can be assured is on someone's system.
Ode, even now with the optimzations on load up that have been introduced, your machine would take till the end of time to load.:)
Mine is about 35 seconds. Respawns are also faster.
hardcase
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The panic was over soon and ppl got to work fixing others. No matter what you say about the sim, the community is top of the line. I was proud of us.:)
personally wish to thank all the players that have been working as hard as the guys from CRS to resolve this issue.
We have a lot of talented and knowledgeable people out there and I wish to thank you for helping me get my computer back on line.
rlbomber
7th Army
Guido9tn
Posts: 991
posted Fri, Oct 4 11:41am
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Thanks to the Rats, and to bdgrb0y and McFig who both posted the solution I needed to get up and running last night. Nasty surprise, but we got through it.
Hopefully the Rats will get some sleep at some point!
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Some of the players worked all night long. WB, AH, and WW2OL are not casual gamers. We have our differences but when push comes to shove, these forums are full of stand up ppl.
hardcase
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Hopefully my last post.(i can hear mighty1 breathing easier now:D )
from the forum by Mo the Game Producer.
Folks,
We are working on a new version and our plan is to release today.
In order to insure that this next installer provides a safe install of the test files we are going to make it a full install, this will be a large file right around 100MB.
From this version forward we will be patching the test folder normaly with smaller files. However, to insure that the folder is set up correctly and safely we have decided to remove as many variables as possible during the install process.
The error we encountered last night was in part due to the fact that we needed the installer to both "create" a test folder for those who did not have one, and simply update the folder for those that did. It was support of these two variables that bit us, and ultimately you guys. While we are confident that the fixed installer can perform both of these functions, we are also feeling the sting and wanting the rest of this public beta test to go off without a hitch.
A full install will be coming this afternoon and we plan to have the test running then as well.
Rest assured that when 1.7 is ready for the public server we will be delivering the smallest patch file we can.
Watch for news here.
Chris "Mo" Sherland
WWIIOL's Producer
http://www.playnet.com
"He was killed on his first day in the game by a Parrakeet
Ok, guys have at me:)
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It was good sarcasim. I got a good laugh reading it:)
I am trying to setup for recording ww2. Got vid out but my two VHS dont have a S-video in.(been gathering dust since the dvd with Kkipsch 4.1 went on:D.Can scare the neighbores. If I can get it going I will send you a vhs with some missions on it WITH the FPS counter on!
hardcase
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Please remember that this is a beta that you are expierencing problems with and not the retail version. And that this is one of chances you take when you test a beta product for any game whether made by Cornered Rat Software or anyone else.
I found this deliciously ironic. Think back to June 6th, 2001...
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Originally posted by Oedipus
Hardcase I swear you couldn't recognize satire if it was a cold fish smacking you in the face ;)
(35 seconds from double clicking the WWIIO desktop icon until you're at the selection screen? I'd have to see that to beleive it)
He probably has a special CRS watch with 2 hour hands and no minute hands and only 5 of the twelve hours on the dial (the rest of the hours will be implemented in version 6.5 of the watch). :D
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ROFL, At least some of them are capable of enjoying self-irony (sp?)
From RickB's devlog:
"....Ah finally, "Can't Reboot Software", I was trying to think of a good acronym for this last night. My old favorite is still "Can't Right Software", though.
posted 2:39 PM
btw game load times are pretty fast now, earlier I could smoke a cig while waiting, now I can't even find that pack of Camels before game is loaded.
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Hard you can get S-Vid -> Composite cables, they aren't to expensive. Most vid out cards with S-Vid only usually come with them.
Originally posted by hardcase
It was good sarcasim. I got a good laugh reading it:)
I am trying to setup for recording ww2. Got vid out but my two VHS dont have a S-video in.(been gathering dust since the dvd with Kkipsch 4.1 went on:D.Can scare the neighbores. If I can get it going I will send you a vhs with some missions on it WITH the FPS counter on!
hardcase
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Or go to Radio shack and get a converter
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:eek: If you could see the look on my face right now it would be a look of utter shock!
This would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic!:(
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all the players that have been working as hard as the guys from CRS
:::chuckles::: WWIIOL, the world's first massively multiplayer customer service & support sim.
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>This would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic!
Mighty1 you're soooo negative.
CRS continues to improve their product.
The next version will do a complete format. :cool:
Wab
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The hubbub is dying down. Most ppl simply did a restore of the lost files. CRS may lose some customers, but the beta goes on.
hardcase
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CRS may lose some customers, but the beta goes on.
The S&M crowd must really be hard up for something to do.
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CRS may lose some customers, but the beta goes on.
This would be a good slogan for the whole WW2OL, payside included. Lol.
From the initial 20 000 there'll always be 1000 dummies who are too pigheaded to give up in time.
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WWIIOL, the world's first massively multiplayer customer service & support sim.
lol :D
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Wooo - finally got the thing downloaded - spent about 2 hours pressing the "log-in" button to get connection - FTP must have been quite BUSY!! Download overnight - tried offline practice this morning.
Not bad at all - FPS seem decent with improved visual quality (well, the Radeon 9700 Pro does help I guess - 16xaniso,4xFSAA). Flying part didn't change much but big improvement in the effects departement for the grunts!
All in all another big step ahead (along with the MAC version of course) - looking forward to make it onto the server - sometime... :)
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Visual effects are nice. New grass and shrubbery textures aren't that great - look quite garish actually.
Gameplay still sucks.
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Now the players are dummys and pig headed. Why do you think I am a dummy? Is it because I support something you don"t. Sorry but not everyone wants to join the rag on group. Enjoy where you are and I will enjoy where I am.
You do realize as ww2ol improves, it will continue to nibble at the player base of both wb and ah. Wonder what will happen when the flight sim portion becomes fun for the casual gamer? CRS ispaying their way at the moment. If it survives, wonder what will happen.
BTW, that group you are so proud of that never came back and you are part of is also being nibble at.
I think the grass is a touch too bright green. The lighting in the beta is far from complete as is the T&L.
Time will tell.
hardcase
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C'mon, Hardcase, you had to know this would happen.
You spent over a week and nearly 500 posts in a thread telling everyone how they were wrong about WWIIOL and CRS. It got pretty ugly, too. Then, in one fell swoop, CRS cuts the legs out from under your argument and provides irrefutable proof of the prevailing point of view (regarding CRS). Sure, be proud of the community there, and I take nothing from them- if it wasn't for them that sim wouldn't have have the fixes and workarounds it has. But that IS the point, isn't it? CRS can't seem to get the even the simple things right. If Targetware has these problems it would be understandable, given the project is a combination of people in the community doing the work. CRS is a company only in the loosest terms; their quality control would be the death of any other product on the market. They are the Yugo of simulations.
I've said it before; just when you think they can't screw up any worse, they go and re-invent themselves and go one lower.
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FPS seem decent with improved visual quality (well, the Radeon 9700 Pro does help I guess
That must be the world record. I have never seen anyone comment radeon 9700 get 'decent' fps from any game. It's absolutely smoking fast on all games except, it seems, WW2OL.
I think I must contact ATI about this so they can change thier marketing hype.. Radeon9700 the worlds fastest display card on the market. Lightning fast performance on all games (and decent fps even with WW2OL!!!!!!!)
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Error was made in the beta, and the errors are being corrected.
Most ppl took it in stride. You guys woulda gone ballistic:D We just emailed files, phoned ppl at 3 am to talk em thru the fix. Some poor guy called Dell and Dell said to do a reformat, reinstall. All it needed was Restore from the xp boot cd.
smokes in other games..I suspect there is more going on in the cpu in ww2ol than other games. Beta T&L isnt full implemented in the beta. Did you notice his settings..4xfsaa etc ..I flew with 50fps on my geforce 4..but with 2xfsaa. Bottom line, if it were like other games it wouldn't have the teething probs.
Don't worry guys, I will continue to play, yall continue to rag :)
Time will tell. It will die or overshawdow other sims.
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I wonder what his CPU speed is.
Hardcase
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Error was made in the beta, and the errors are being corrected.
Most ppl took it in stride. You guys woulda gone ballistic We just emailed files, phoned ppl at 3 am to talk em thru the fix.
Yes, I woulda.
You make it sound like it was a good time, chattin' with yer buds at 3 am, doing e-mail, doing tech support. I can't disagree, though. Whatever your idea of a good time is, have at it.
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It is beta. Not just a load test. Stuff happens and we lived thru it. The beta moves on, the world didnt end. No mass exodus.
If ww2ol survives, will it draw the flight sim crowd form ah and wb?
hardcase
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Originally posted by hardcase
will it draw the flight sim crowd form ah and wb?
hardcase
No.
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I can't really see how it would. It doesn't offer the same things AH does. Where are the varieties of planes? Don't say, "they're coming", because the development pace is so slow it would take years for WWIIOL to overtake AH in that department. AH offers action and autonomy that WWIIOL doesn't, nor ever will. They are two different products, and that's that. Anyway, don't pretend you wouldn't be sticking it to HTC and company on this BBS if they had a similar gaff. You know you would.
And who said there would be a mass exodus? This is how you do it, HC, you say the words then accuse us of saying them. I think the sentiment here has been "typical CRS programming...". You've filled in the blanks yourself.
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Actually I wouldn't. I have no reason to rejoice if Dale and Doug and crew have a problem. AH continueing to be a success is good for all simming.
To have AH's or WB's plane set will in deed take time. The 1941 vehicle set is being worked on now.
No, no. I wasnt accusing you guys of saying that, it was just FYI
hardcase
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The one thing that might make this game playable for me personally (http://www5.playnet.com/bv/wwiiolhq/dg_message.jsp?group_id=8863&parent_id=1667544&BV_SessionID=@@@@0692706957.1033864214@@@@&BV_EngineID=fadcffkgelfgbjjcgmcggichhl.0)
Finally, cumulative damage.
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The 109 can be had now:D
hardcase
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Those half-screen flashy image tags people use on many ubb's look really lame. Especially irritating are some hardware boards where everyone seems to need to tell exactly which kind of setup they have during every post - and even worse, with some stupid 11-year old level cartoon graphics.
Hardcase, if you want to record us a movie, you can do this:
http://www.fraps.com/
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Huh?
(http://www.whitefalcons.net/uploaded/Wfaf2.jpg)
P4-2.3
1Gig RDRAM
P4S5A mb w/lan
40x DVD
40x32x12x CDRW
3com NIC
WinXp w/SP1
SB Live!
40 gig WD 7200 HD
20gig 5400 Fujistu
F-15 FCS
3 80mm fans
Kitchen sink
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Given the history of ww2ol and the performance issues. We usually ask someone to post his systems specs with his problem It saves us time and posting. Saying, I get lousy FPS ..help me, is of no value without his specs and settings. Over time we have found the standard startup bugs that ppl can have...ie the CINE folder...why Strat First published their Gamer Choice version WITH the cine folder still in, is beyond me.
hardcase
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(http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/wwiiol/sigpic2.jpg)
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LOL !!!
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You guys are just envious of the "mad skillz" that it takes to create these photorealistic pictures. Some would even call them art.
I would create my own, but I have yet to reinstall everything after the WW2OL patch toasted my computer.. the bastages.
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486SX66
4mb Ram
420mb HD
Trident 512k video card
Roland sound card
2x CD rom
5 1/4 floppy
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If its so good why is that guy not playing, instead of spending his time bothering us?
His game does have a Stuka though:(
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Looking at those 'sigs' of the pom-pom guys now..
Makes u glad this ain't the WW2OL board doesn't it? They have every post stuffed with toejam like that.
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That guy bothers you? How do I post my sig to here
(http://home.midsouth.rr.com/gwhitten/HCPoster.gif)
hardcase:D
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Now you guys don't like our sigs.
If it makes you feel good, you can even hate our ISPs.
(http://home.midsouth.rr.com/gwhitten/HCPoster.gif)
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Hardcase... I know why you were stopping by this forum... it was aparent.
I think you may have forgotten just why that was. Instead you now stop by for this.
AKDejaVu
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http://www5.playnet.com/bv/wwiiolhq/dg_message.jsp?group_id=8888&parent_id=1677022&Failed_Reason=Session+not+found&Failed_Page=%2fwwiiolhq%2fdg_message.jsp&BV_SessionID=@@@@0947036439.1034045959@@@@&BV_EngineID=cadcfgcgjkmhbjjcgmcggichhl.0
:D