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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: J_A_B on October 06, 2002, 10:29:23 PM
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While some people may think a certain group of German soldiers with a pair of choice letters in their unit name might have been a harmless group of swell guys, I don't think ANYONE can say the same about the subject of THIS guy's handle.
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J_A_B
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That name reminds me of the Soup Nazi character from Seinfeld for some reason.
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Please.... someone at HTC let JAB get his "_" in game.
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Originally posted by Nash
Please.... someone at HTC let JAB get his "_" in game.
I have a better idea. Let us squelch all posts from J_A_B
I'm getting this urge to open another account and come up with a name that will annoy him.
Any good suggestions?
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Whats wrong with frodo????????????:p
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Flynazi and sswaffen both have handles which are offensive in my opinion and should be asked to change them. Whether they were intended to be offensive is not really the question. If other cpids which are offensive in nature, such as those starting with F (and I don't mean Firetruck) aren't allowed, then these should not be allowed either. It was evident in the arena last night that some people were in fact offended. I don't really think that these are proper cpids.
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Originally posted by Nash
Please.... someone at HTC let JAB get his "_" in game.
I second that vote
oh by the way, that cpid sucks. completely different league then the other one being referred to.
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*shrug*
I think people offend too easily, personally. Then again, I can't remember the last time something as trivial as an online name offended me.
For that matter, I can't remember the last time I was offended by anything.
Reminds me of the marches in Skokie back in the late 70's. Everyone was up in arms because ol whats-his-name and his pro-nazi nincompoops were going to have a pro-nazi march in predominatly Jewish Skokie, Illinois. If everyone had stayed home and ignored them they'd have looked pretty silly out there talking to themselves. Instaid there were television news crews, helicopters...alll the publicity you could ask for.
...and before I hear the "you have to oppose it or it will grow" argument like many house plants these things die if you ignore them. They're after the attention.
I still think people are stupid.
Come to think of it, the Japanese took pot shots at my Dad fairly often, and the monarchy is still alive and well in Japan. Maybe anything Japanese should offend me... :rolleyes:
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I'm not offended so much by SSwaffens name as I am by his behaviour. He chose that name to offend people, and he is being as obnoxious as he can be about it.
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Yea that frodo guy.:rolleyes:
Hi Bizket!
Frodo
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Ya that Frodo guy sure is a troublemaker
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hey , stop picking on frodo
BTW the SS guy asked tonight how he could change his handle with out a new account, was told call HTC
44MAG
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How ya'll like this one? :D
[SIZE=20]"_"NAZI[/SIZE]
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By it's very nature, this is an emotionally charged game...it's not much fun 'til you know what you're doing, and even then it's not easy. This is definitely no place for thin skins, except those you can apply to your plane.
Game ids don't mean much in the MA, only how you treat others. However I feel this BBS is the place to discuss such matters. Please leave it out of the MA while we're playing.
FlyNazi chose his id to confront SSWaffen in the MA...obviously someone (FlyNazi) reading this thread. Waffen held his ground admirably, imo, without resorting to nastiness...though I suppose if you keep trying, even Waffen might succumb to the pressure, because he is a decent player, the kind we want.
I personally will be disappointed if Waffen changes his id because of whining. But then, you guys gave Niki pilots a bad name, and succeeded in perking the Chog. You are a formidible bunch.
Les
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
How ya'll like this one? :D
[SIZE=20]"_"NAZI[/SIZE] [/B]
Those red " " things look like the thingies in space invaders that used to kick my arse, I reckon HTC should ban thier account, fix their damn FM, perk them or give us an option to permanantly squelch 'em.
Blue
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Originally posted by Puck
I have a better idea. Let us squelch all posts from J_A_B
I'm getting this urge to open another account and come up with a name that will annoy him.
Any good suggestions?
hit the "Profile" button next to his post, choose "Add SoandSo to your ignore list"
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I believe the Soup Nazi episode in Sienfield was offensive because it contained the word NAZI and it hurts my pure fragile mind.
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I think JEB may be an operative working for the "Name and anything else possibly Offensive Gestapo". (NOG) Much like Fuze and the TA debacle of recent fame.
Dude, if it offends you, email pyro or better yet, yankee. Don't bring it here just to stir the pot. Inform someone who can actually do something about it and will more than likely explain to you personally why or why not anything will be done. Better yet, call em(I can give you the number). That way you can also bring up your own whiney name thing and one of them can explain to you in person why you cant have those goofy lines in your name.
Geez, give it a break.
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I'm sorry Animal, I did not mean to bring back painful memories by mentioning that horrid and distasteful Soup N*** epsiode. I will refrain from ever mentioning those N***s again. Would you be offended if I said "Soup NDSAP-Member" or "Soup Nationalsozialismus-Believer"?
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Thank God!!!!:D
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I'm going to change my name to 'Jewkiller'. It's only a name, right?
Or how about 'Auschwitz'? It's only a name, right?
Or how about 'MurdererOfAnEntireGeneration'? It's only a name, right?
Or how about 'CyclonB'? It's only a name, right?
Or how about 'GooseSteppingMothershrecker'? It's only a name, right?
Or how about 'TheSSwasAnOffShootOfTheBoyScoutsHonestly? It's only a name, right?
Ok, I'm being facetious, but just because you might not be offended, don't deny anyone else that right. I think the words 'decency' and 'common' spring to mind and form a well known phrase. If we allow handles like those, what kind of image are we painting of our sim to new players? Or indeed anyone at all?
It's beyond me why anyone would want anything to do with the SS in any shape or form. Perhaps they harbour sexual fantasies regarding highly polished jack-boots strutting around basement torture chambers. It takes all sorts, I guess.
But I don't want to see that sort of bollocks in this game. Besides, it just keeps giving JAB another opportunity to whine about '_' not being allowed. FFS, get a life. It's like some pathological obsession. :)
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*list of new nicks should I make new account*
Hitler
Gasjew
Camp
Fuhrer
Stalin
MrNose
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You forgot Saddam and me.
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Hate to say this, but geez guys .... Get over it. It's just a handle of some 13 year old. You're providing the exact response these individuals are seeking. I don't think there is a revival of the NDSAP party in AH.
Are the names offensive ...yes, will these guys be flying AH in a month from now...probably not.
What pisses me off is how hurt Animal is... :eek: ! I think Erlkonig should have to submit to Animal's choice of punsihment.
Sorry Squadie :( it's the honorable thing to do .
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something I found:
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Of all the German organizations during WWII, the SS is by far the most infamous - and the least understood amongst average historians. The SS was in fact not a monolithic "Black Corps" of goose stepping Gestapo men, as is often depicted in popular media and in many third rate historical works.
The SS was in reality a complex political and military organization made up of three separate and distinct branches, all related but equally unique in their functions and goals. The Allgemeine-SS (General SS) was the main branch of this overwhelmingly complex organization, and it served a politicial and administrative role.
The SS-Totenkopfverbande (SS Deaths Head Organization) and later, the Waffen-SS (Armed SS), were the other two branches that made up the structure of the SS.
The Waffen-SS, formed in 1940, was the true military formation of the larger SS, and as such, it is the main focus of this section. Formed from the SS-Verfungstruppe after the Campaign in France in 1940, the Waffen-SS would become an elite military formation of nearly 600,000 men by the time WWII was over.
Its units would spearhead some of the most crucial battles of WWII while its men would shoulder some of the most difficult and daunting combat opertations of all the units in the German military. The Waffen-SS is sometimes thought of as the 4th branch of the German Wehrmacht (Heer, Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine) as in the field it came under the direct tactical control of the OKW, although this notion is technically incorrect as strategic control remained within the hands of the SS.
To this day the actions of the Waffen-SS and its former members are vilified for ultimately being a part of the larger structure of the political Allgemeine-SS, regardless of the fact that the Waffen-SS was a front line combat organization.
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Ok So waffen SS, was a frontline, unit, so what gives, I will not try to say that i know loads about it but from what I have read, they are no worse or better than any other combat unit in WWII, all sides comitted attrocities, but only those that acted to help with ethnic cleansing should be villified, BUT not forgotten. dont tell people what they can be called, ask them if they know WHY it offends and hope that they will change it without being pushed because its the correct thing to do.
I mean if you are german the name 'Bomber Harris' would be offensive to many, after the bombing of Lubeck, rostock and of course dresden and hamburg, terrible evil way to indiscriminantly kill people :(
In conclusion this is a game which involves trying to kill people, playing war, war is nasty and we should NOT hide the evil things and glorify it, this game serves to keep the memory alive of our heros, but we should not forget those on the other side, which to me is axis, but to many the allies were the enemy and to ban a name like sswaffen is both stupid and offensive to the 600,000 who served in the waffen.
This name has made me think and learn something, it is one of the things that Aces High does, as well as have fun you learn some history, be it good or bad.
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Does anyone remember the newbie who named himself "binLaden" just after September 11th? He realized he'd made a terrible mistake when several wags suggested that "Hitler" or "Stalin" would be an improvement and people told him they were squelching him.
In all seriousness, names that offend should not be allowed. The problem is deciding where to draw the line.
People's sensibilities differ tremendously. Duh.
Any callsign with "Nazi" in it "ist verboten". But would "Commie" be okay? After all, the Communist Parties of the Soviet Union and China killed / have killed / are killing more people than the Nazis ever did. Has anyone ever complained about the callsign "Soviet"? It doesn't bother me, but "Nazi" would. I am confused.
The best way to handle this is to do what people did with "binLaden": Shun him. Tell him you don't like his name, ask him politely to change it, and squelch him. Don't fly with him; never help him out.
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A MORE IMPORTANT ISSUE:
The insulting, derogatory language is a real turn off. I wonder what newbies think when they read that kind of stuff, especially on channel one? If we want AcesHigh to continue to prosper and grow, we don't want to drive away new customers that HTC has attracted at great expense. (I'm thinking about the DiscoveryWings TV ad.)
I'm no prude, but ethnic, racial, sexual, and national insults have no place in AcesHigh.
If many pilots ask, right away, for someone to "Watch the language, please", most people will be get the message that they're not impressing anyone with their bigotry.
MRPLUTO VMF-323 ~Death Rattlers~ MAG-33
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Oh PUL-LEASE! You sensitive folks need to sign up with the DNC, start dying your hair pink, and carry signs in front of your local Capital!
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Soup Nazi's reply is simply another mindless insult.
How old are you, Soup Nazi? Not more than 14, I hope!
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Thanks for your comments, Oedipus. You're very right about how hard it is to win back customers after losing them.
MRPLUTO
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Close, I'm 13, but part of a New World Order.
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Soup Nazi,
I'm sorry you seem to be attracted to Nazi ideology. The "New World Order" you speak of is for losers. Please don't get involved with them. Use your talents to achieve something good and real, then you will no longer have the need to be part of a group that puts down others to make themselves feel worthwhile.
MRPLUTO
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Pluto stop messing with your CO :)
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You know folks..some need to get a grip and understand that his is a F*** Game. We live in the 21st century..where we all should know the difference between wrong and wright.
Besides.. don't we have other things to worry about other then SS or Nazi. Like maybe spending time with our family's or perhaps work..:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by MRPLUTO
Soup Nazi,
I'm sorry you seem to be attracted to Nazi ideology. The "New World Order" you speak of is for losers. Please don't get involved with them. Use your talents to achieve something good and real, then you will no longer have the need to be part of a group that puts down others to make themselves feel worthwhile.
MRPLUTO
For some reason, that post touched me. I am asking Al Gore to return the check I sent to the DNC last week. Order Schmorder...your right, I am NOT going to be a soldier for them...
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Another silly thread
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"We live in the 21st century..where we all should know the difference between wrong and right."
We should?
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I do have other things to worry about, but I spend a lot of time flying AcesHigh, and would like it to be a classy environment, rather than one of vile insults. Also, as many have pointed out: HTC will lose business if the ugliness of a few permeates the arenas.
MRPLUTO
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Soup Nazi, I'm glad you have a sense of humor. There is hope for you yet!
MRPLUTO
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I am offended by the brain dead context of this dribble spewing out.....
If text causes pain for weak minded dont read...... :confused:
problem solved....
see how easy life can be..... we can all get along.
my 2 cents.
DoctorYO
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How many of you all fought the Nazis? How many of you all were oppressed by the Nazis? Don't get self-righteous with me, I know the difference between a Nazi advocater and someone taking you all for a ride.
JAB has already been told BY HiTech that special characters are not allowed in handles.
So shut the shreck up and go play another game if you are so damn agitated over not having _ in your handle.
Everyone else, give it up- Nazis were defeated 60 years ago... your electronic crusade isn't doing anything.
-SW
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Originally posted by MRPLUTO
Soup Nazi, I'm glad you have a sense of humor. There is hope for you yet!
MRPLUTO
LOL! :D
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God! Anouther dismal waste of 15 minutes of my ever shortening life! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
RafBader
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does anyone else see the irony of censoring somebody for having a particular political party (in this case "flynazi"), or military affiliation (no matter how offensive)in thier on line fantasy world?
Wouldn't censoring people for thier affiliations be akin to Nazi tactics?
Wondering....
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Originally posted by Scary
Flynazi and sswaffen both have handles which are offensive in my opinion and should be asked to change them. Whether they were intended to be offensive is not really the question. If other cpids which are offensive in nature, such as those starting with F (and I don't mean Firetruck) aren't allowed, then these should not be allowed either. It was evident in the arena last night that some people were in fact offended. I don't really think that these are proper cpids.
Agree - What Scary said
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Originally posted by Leslie
....... But then, you guys gave Niki pilots a bad name, and succeeded in perking the Chog. You are a formidible bunch.
Les
[size=18]ALERT ALERT ALERT[/size]
HITECH!!!....Leslie said [size=18]NIKI[/size]
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Why can't we all just get over this "politically correct" horse crap that gets typed in threads like this. If some person wants to be called "SSwaffen" or whatever then so be it. If you can't look past a name in order to ignore someone in a GAME then you should be upset at yourself for being on the same level mentallity as that person.
Its crap like this that just continues to fester and grow till it effects the entire community. I am of the firm belief that if someone wants to act like an idiot then let them do it. Because they will only be effecting themselves and the weak minded individuals that get upset over crap like this.
I have spent to much time reading this thread for no reason at all other than posting my own views of political correctness.
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Well said Reschke !
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Originally posted by Reschke
I am of the firm belief that if someone wants to act like an idiot then let them do it. Because they will only be effecting themselves and the weak minded individuals that get upset over crap like this.
Well, I for one am waiting for HTC's response to these names.
Their action or inaction will be a telltail for what direction AH is going. Either questionable names will be acted on by them or they will allow such names. One only affects the person who's name is in question...the other affects, what could be now or could become later, a larger portion of HTC's customers.
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Originally posted by Reschke
If some person wants to be called "SSwaffen" or whatever then so be it.
so you agree a handle of like, "mrdiddlyo" or "noodlesuck" would be perfectly acceptable? personally i find the concept of nazism to be a lot more obscene than mere naughty words.
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Define "questionable".
Questionable to you, me, Joe Lex, who? J_A_B is offended by the time of day, I'm not offended by anything. Someone mentioned a polpot online; he and Himmler would have gotten along great, but the name never blipped on anyone's radar screen.
Should we have an online form so we can express our offence at a name?
It's a slippery slope, and I don't blame HTC one iota for staying the HECK out of it.
Do with they'd end these silly threads, though.
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now i'm worried my handle ( 44MAG ) will offend the peace loving (gun hating) liberals so i'm going to change it to "flower"
flower
peace, love , dope
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now i know where i recall puck from... them Don Rickles skits - he's that stupid hockey puck Don was referring to.
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Originally posted by john9001
now i'm worried my handle ( 44MAG ) will offend the peace loving (gun hating) liberals so i'm going to change it to "flower"
flower
peace, love , dope
DOPE!? You're advocating the use of recreational pharmaceuticals in a forum that is accessable to minors!? That shouldn't be pretected speach, and I'm going to hire AKNimitz to shoot you down!
Remember, kids, just say nope to dope.
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Originally posted by Shane
now i know where i recall puck from... them Don Rickles skits - he's that stupid hockey puck Don was referring to.
That is SO offenseve...I'm Puck from Shakespeare, who stole the character from folklore.
Shakespeare's character was a cross between "Puck" and "Robin Goodfellow", who were quite similar but from different cultures. In both cases he was a real pain in the bellybutton when you get right down to it.
There's a reason I got the callsign, after all. I didn't pick it originally.
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Here's a thought. If the Nazis would have prevailed and won the war what might be different?
Lets say that this game had been made, and people were using the names "Eisenhower", "Freedom", "Doughboy", "RAF", and the like. How fast do you think the police would be at their door in a Nazi run government?
One of the things that the allies fought for was freedom. Does that freedom include the right to have a handle that others find offensive?
That is the real question and, unlike the real world, one man decides that(Hitech).
If he decides that the names are allowed, then those that dislike it have their freedom to find another game. Although I would wonder about anyone who would allow someone elses handle to remove them from a game they like.
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Originally posted by Shane
so you agree a handle of like, "mrdiddlyo" or "noodlesuck" would be perfectly acceptable? personally i find the concept of nazism to be a lot more obscene than mere naughty words.
I really don't have a problem with names like that Shane. Like I said it just goes to show their intelligence or rather their lack of it.
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Originally posted by Puck
Define "questionable".
In this situation, that's HTC's call...they CAN take some direction from their subscribers but ultimately it's their call.
Should be a no brainer IMO.
A 'questionable' name taken away only affects that person, a 'questionable' name that remains 'could' affect a larger portion of the player base.
It's just common sense.
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Originally posted by MrLars
It's just common sense.
I love that. The only thing common about common sense is how uncommon it is :D
Actually in this case it's not "common sense", but personal prefernce. The plethora of posts on this subject demonstrates nicely how unlikely we are to find a common solution. One person's obvious solution is going to really boil someone else's blood, and they're going to drop their jaw at all the people who can't understand why everyone else just doesn't get it (and so on).
It's nice to see some humor popping up in the threads, though :)
It's even nicer to see everyone embroiled in what amounts to a political debate about something the courts call (I think) "community standards" rather than how this plane or that should be perked, the Pizza map sux, and can you please model $MyFavoriteAircraft.
Speaking of which...
PERK THE C.202! Bring the Sopwith Camel to AH! Ban the Uterus (can I say that without offending anyone? :D ) map!
:D :cool: :D
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Originally posted by Puck
Actually in this case it's not "common sense", but personal prefernce.
Nope, it's a business decision. One that requires common sense rather than personal preference.
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As long as I don't see "SSWaffles" floating around, I'll be Ok :)
Can't got wrong with breakfast food.
-Waffle
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Originally posted by MrLars
Nope, it's a business decision. One that requires common sense rather than personal preference.
I really hate it when you're right. Quit that.
Still falls under community standards, though :D Difference is HTC is the body that determines what the standard is. Of course no matter what they choose roughly 40% of the people will be up in arms.
We need to get this on the Wine rotation schedule, between perking the LA7 and numbers in the main arena not being even...
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THATS IT!
PERK THE KNIGHTS!!! :)
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Originally posted by Grimm
THATS IT!
PERK THE KNIGHTS!!! :)
What the heck have you been smoking!? If anyone needs perked it's the Bishops, and we need a quorum of board posters to approve putting something like that in the whine rotation.
:cool:
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How many of your would be willing to explain to your boss why your not working right now?
"Theres this guy and uh.... hes got a name... and its offensive... uh... Nazi stuff... eh... its in a video game... uh... Ill go back to work now."
Lets get some perspective here please.
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pointless thread.
People will argue about this for eternity. These people that are making these names are doing this just for attention, nothing else. By making this thread (there's another one like it, I believe), you people are just doing exactly what these stupid kids want you to do.
ignore the bastards, and they'll see that they're not getting the attention they want and they will leave.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
How many of your would be willing to explain to your boss why your not working right now?
Actually my boss, the people who work for me, and a couple other people were in here laughing our posterior gluteus maximi off about this whole thing today.
Why do you ask?
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You know,..there are channels for dealing with these types of issues.