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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: gofaster on October 07, 2002, 10:22:38 AM
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Friday night I'm laying in bed and I hear the sound of two dogs barking ferociously. I don't hear any whimpering so I figure they must be barking through a fence at each other. I wake up at 7am Saturday morning and go to a volleyball tournament. I park my prized 1998 Toyota 4runner, get out to shake the hand of a teammate, turn to get my gear out of the back, and I see mud, paw prints, and deep gouges all along the passenger side of the 4runner. Apparently a cat had been sitting on top of the roof and a pair of loose dogs had been trying to get to it. I go nuts, but its 8am on a Saturday so what can I do about it? I play in the tourney and only win 2 games, so I pack my stuff and go home extremely irritated. On the way back, I call my wife and tell her about the damage and she remarks that she had seen a black dog running along the side of our house, so we know at least 1 of the culprits.
By the time I get home, she's found the owner and goes to talk to him while I snap evidence photos. That's when I notice the dogs scratched all 4 doors, the hatch, and the right front and rear quarter panels. I'm tired, hungry, dirty, sweaty, and generally pissed off so I let her do the talking. The guy apologizes and agrees to pay for the damage. Seems he works nights and puts the dogs in the back yard, but they've learned how to get out. Sure enough, Saturday night he leaves and they get loose again. We call him and he tries to get another neighbor to put them in, but the neighbor is gone so he asks us to do it. I grab a bat and a flashligh. One way or another, this problem is getting fixed. I manage to get the Australian shepherd to go in the house, but the other dog, a black short-haired retriever, stays 20 yards away from me, ducking and running in the shadows. I give up and leave him to fend for himself.
Sunday morning he's terrorizing people on their way to church, out exercising, jogging or walking down the street, kids riding bikes, getting out of cars, and whatnot. I go outside and get the black dog to go in the house, but by the 2nd half of the Bucs game he's loose again. Our other neighbor knocks on our door because her kids were outside playing and the dog was barking at them. When I go outside the dog goes back to his house, either because he saw me or because the owner called him back. I'm not sure which.
That dog is on my short list.
I've done the "Call Animal Control" dance once before after my wife was bitten by a pair of dogs that had jumped a fence and gone after us on a walk. The owner got off without a fine, even though we introduced our photos of her wounds and the Animal Control Officer gave his testimony. Seems the officer had identified and quarantined the wrong dog. She's still traumatized by the incident and refuses to walk down the street alone. I'm thinking at this point a better solution would be club the animal and bury him in my back yard and feign ignorance when the owner comes looking. "Oh, your dog got out again? Sorry, haven't seen it."
Thoughts?
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Call the Police and let them handle it.
Les
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a 22 from the bedroom should do the trick. I shot my nieghbors dog one time because it was viciously attacking my other (different)neighbors dog and mine. My dog had stitches to prove it. I called my dog off and shot thiers. A got a fine for discarging a weapon in public and got off at court when I explained the circumstances. The neighbors had two young kids out and I "feared for their safety"
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It seems to me that Florida has some pretty strict laws regarding dangerous dogs. If you can get it classified as "dangerous", the owner pretty much can't walk it without prior approval.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0767/titl0767.htm
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If you ever catch it attacking a "domestic animal", shoot it. It's odd that the below statute doesn't include humans. I guess that is covered in a self-defense statute.
767.03 Good defense for killing dog.--In any action for damages or of a criminal prosecution against any person for killing or injuring a dog, satisfactory proof that said dog had been or was killing any animal included in the definitions of "domestic animal" and "livestock" as provided by s. 585.01 shall constitute a good defense to either of such actions.
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If the dog is a menace deal with it, but consider this, you have to live with the jerk off owner and if he thinks you did it, well.... you may have a problem.
You do not want to wake up with sugar in your tank or slashed tires.
The paranoia about this can be a squeak trust me. I had some punk rip off stuff out of my jeep while his kids watched. I saw him out by the jeep, but was not sure what he was doing so I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt. well I checked when he left and he stole a bunch of stuff from inside.
He came back a few weeks later and I slashed his tires. (he drives an old clapped out cougar like an 84 with 40 series tires on it and no plates. Cops say it has not been registered in 5 years and the old owner has warrants on him) Now when he comes back I get all paranoids he is going to mess with my jeep again.
Do you have a home owners association? if so complain to them.........my aunts neighbors complained about her dog barking and the home owners association made her have the dogs voice box removed..... This sucked by the way since the dog only barked during the day and the jerk complainer worked nights.... but if you can use rules like that for your purposes go for it..... its better then taking the law into your own hands.
The laws can say one thing, but if you get a prettythanghole DA who wants to make a point it could cause you big problems.
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Shoot the owner not the dog. It is his handsomehunk fault for not being able to properly take care of his dogs. Killing a Dog for simply being a dog is simply assinine. If the dogs are not vicious or have shown any tendencies toward that, they are just a nuisance, and not a hazard to you or others around, so killing them just because their owner is negligent is a crime. Or better yet, just take the damn dogs bring them to the local adoption center and let them find a new home for them. I was kidding about the killing the owner part, but you get the idea.
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I agree it sucks the dog pays the price for the owner being a Dick.......
Some people should not have dogs, kids, or cars.
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Got the estimate on repairing the 4runner. $600, 3 days in the shop, but can't get to it until next week. :mad:
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Just let a 'gator loose in your neighbors yard... catchin' the 'gator is the tricky part. ;)
edit> come to think of it lettin' em go might be trickeyer. How do you spell tricker trickeyer... aw to hell with it.
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Originally posted by gofaster
Got the estimate on repairing the 4runner. $600, 3 days in the shop, but can't get to it until next week. :mad:
What exactly are they going to do? Fill in the scratches and buff it out? Strip it and re-shoot it? I'd definately make sure they do the latter, and not the former.
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you could take the owner to court for the repair bill. but good luck try'n to prove it was his dog. plus when you say you heard 2 dogs and his was only one of them (and you didn't acually see it happen) I imagine they could make it hard for you to win.
as far as killing a nusance dog (or dangerous) it depends on where you live. when I lived in missouri if you seen a dog out chasing domestic animals, or if it was off it's own property and not leashed, you just shot it and if you knew who the owner was call him to come pick up the body.
but here in Oregon you can do time in prison for killing a dog.
but if the dog chases people and you seen it loose and went outside to 'change a tire' or whatever and happened to have a tire iron in your hand. odds are you could get away with deffending yourself in just about any state.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
What exactly are they going to do? Fill in the scratches and buff it out? Strip it and re-shoot it? I'd definately make sure they do the latter, and not the former.
They're gonna buff the surface stuff on a couple of panels, then sand and respray the panels where streaks overlapped and left a trench. The shop doing the work is run by one of my other neighbors, so if things don't go my way I may just have to Walk Tall down the street. :mad:
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Get some rat shot for a .22 and go to work on that dog the next time it gets out. Or you could always do what happened to me and a few friends. We were "trespassing" according to the property owner and got our butts stung with a 20 gauge loaded with rock salt in the shells. Needless to say I did not go near that property until his daughter was old enough to date then I got him back. :D Only if he would have found out before I left for college I would not be sitting here typing this today. :) Anything that might happen to the dog(s) is justified if it continues to happen.
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LOL Reschke! "You got my butt, but I got your daughters butt!"
Thanking the Dear Lord I had two boys. :D
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
you could take the owner to court for the repair bill. but good luck try'n to prove it was his dog. plus when you say you heard 2 dogs and his was only one of them (and you didn't acually see it happen) I imagine they could make it hard for you to win.
but if the dog chases people and you seen it loose and went outside to 'change a tire' or whatever and happened to have a tire iron in your hand. odds are you could get away with deffending yourself in just about any state.
Both dogs were his. He's already admitted it was his dog(s) and the paw prints are unmistakable. I think he'll do the right thing. But just to be on the safe side, my wife wrote a statement for him to sign next time we see him.
Yes, the black dog chases people. The Australian shepherd is smart enough to leave people alone, but the black retriever will bark at anything that moves - instinct of the breed, I guess.
Its Autumn and time for seasonal vehicle maintenance. I need to pull the spare tire out from under the truck bed to make sure its properly inflated. Its a tough job and could require a crowbar to crank it down from its perch....
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Austrian Shepherd methinks...We dont have Shepherds as a National breed. Think Arnie, not Dundee.
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Australian Shepard is like a Border Collie Spook.
"Despite it's name, the Australian Shepherd as we know it today was developed completely within the United States. In the late 1800's and early 1900's the for-runners of today's "Aussies" came to the western and north-western states as stock-dogs for the Basque shepherds that accompanied the vast numbers of sheep then being imported from Australia. These hard working, medium sized, "little blue dogs" impressed the American ranchers and farmers, who began using them as well. Breeding was done for working ability rather than appearance, and occasionally dogs of other herding breeds were bred into the lines. However, today s Aussie still resembles the dogs that came from Europe via Australia, and great numbers of Aussies are still working stock on ranches in the western states."
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The shepherd is about the size of the retriever, but with longer fur and a mottled black/white coat. Its the same type I've seen used for giving Frisbee dog demonstrations and herding livestock in mountainous terrain. I think it does resemble a border collie in its general size and shape. Its obviously a smart animal in that it knew that if it didn't do what I wanted, it could very well end up looking at the wrong end of my aluminum bat at one point during its lifespan.
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take some hamburger and roll a small meat ball no bigger than an inch and a half across see toss one to the dogs and see if they sniff it or gulp it down if they gulp it down then make a couple more with some chrystal draino the powdered kind in the center 1 teaspoon make four balls make sure they gulp them down dont wanna leave a sample where it can be tested an all
and toss them to the dogs they will be dead by morning
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Originally posted by rickod
take some hamburger and roll a small meat ball no bigger than an inch and a half across see toss one to the dogs and see if they sniff it or gulp it down if they gulp it down then make a couple more with some chrystal draino the powdered kind in the center 1 teaspoon make four balls make sure they gulp them down dont wanna leave a sample where it can be tested an all
and toss them to the dogs they will be dead by morning
What is scary is that it sounds as if you have experience doing this..were all the dogs pests that you did this to? Or, did you kill some children's pets too?
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Dogs are vermin.
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Rickod,
Having grown up on a farm I've had to 'put down' quit a few animals. Everything from shooting my own animals who have become injured. Or dogs who I adopted and couldn't overcome their behavior problems (chasing domestic animals, or unstable behavior making them dangerous), or killing diseased or nuisance animals that show up. I've also hunted most of my life (can't find the time anymore) & even ran traps in my teenage years.
But what you describe is the most disgusting death I could wish on anything. If you've ever actually done this you ought to be knocked on your ass.
If you need to kill an animal, kill it. Step up, be a man, do the job, and take responsibility for it. If you have to arrange the situation to avoid legal problems, so be it.
But feeding that crap to an animal so it's guts can dissolve from the inside out is probably one of the most horrible things I could think of.
Poison is the tool of a coward.
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I second that, if you must shoot the animal be decent about it.
if you dont and your not a evil bastard it will haunt you.
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Go through the legal system. The dog ain't at fault as such - the owner is. Punish the owner, not the dog.
If authorities feel the dog needs to die, they'll do it.
At least here in communist Denmark where such things as dangerous dogs actually are dealth with by the authorities.
If I had a barky dog and someone shot it, I can guaran-fediddleing-tee that that person would be the target of a campaign of my own - and it'd be a sneaky, expensive (not for me though) one.
Think about the latter if not the former :).
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Poison is for wimps. Real men aren't afraid to shed a little blood when blood needs to be shed. I ain't no Lucretia Borgia!
I spoke with the owner yesterday regarding covering the repair bill and he's ok with the plan: he cuts check to body shop, they do what work needs to be done and refunds to him the portion for work not done. The downside is he can't cut a check until he gets paid on Friday, which isn't so bad since the shop can't get to the work until Monday anyway. Jesus would have a kind heart and trust him, but Joe Don Baker would keep a baseball bat handy just in case. Then again, Jesus wasn't stomped to within an inch of his life by the Dixie Mafia, so maybe Jesus would've endorsed a "big stick" policy, too.
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Originally posted by gofaster
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I spoke with the owner yesterday regarding covering the repair bill and he's ok with the plan: he cuts check to body shop, they do what work needs to be done and refunds to him the portion for work not done.
Good you got it worked out. You should also stick him with any rental charges you incur while your truck is being fixed.
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No rental. Everything I need is within bicycle distance. I'll work from home for a few days and force the wife to run the heavy errands in her new Xterra. :D
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So the dog's owner tells my wife yesterday that he'll leave a check in our mailbox to give to the body shop. He's flying out at 7am Friday morning for the weekend and he says he'll leave the check in our box at 4:30am on his way to the airport.
She gets up at 7am and checks the mailbox. Nothing in there. She calls his cell phone and gets his phonemailbox and leaves a message. After she hangs up she turns to me and says "you know, when I spoke to him yesterday he made the comment 'are you sure it was my dog?' I should've suspected he was trying to get out of it!".
My logic: if it wasn't his dog, then he won't mind if it gets picked up by Animal Control, or is otherwise removed from the neighborhood.:mad:
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DO NOT use any kind of poison. Not only does it spoil the taste, it make dogs potentially dangerous to eat.
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Instead of shooting the dog, why not simply demand that he (your neighbour) builds a fence/shelter where they cannot come out from ? (ok, it might not be academicaly spelled, but I'm sure you get the point.)
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Already done. The dog has gone through the fence twice, first by digging a hole, then by knocking off a plank. The owner's solution was to put a wooden box over the hole. Now the dog uses the box to jump over the fence.
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Originally posted by gofaster
So the dog's owner tells my wife yesterday that he'll leave a check in our mailbox to give to the body shop. He's flying out at 7am Friday morning for the weekend and he says he'll leave the check in our box at 4:30am on his way to the airport.
She gets up at 7am and checks the mailbox. Nothing in there. She calls his cell phone and gets his phonemailbox and leaves a message. After she hangs up she turns to me and says "you know, when I spoke to him yesterday he made the comment 'are you sure it was my dog?' I should've suspected he was trying to get out of it!".
My logic: if it wasn't his dog, then he won't mind if it gets picked up by Animal Control, or is otherwise removed from the neighborhood.:mad:
After the "cant pay till Friday baloney I figured as much. If he cant cough up the money now then he cant affoard to pay you period. Or he can and decided not to... either way your out of luck. You could call animal control or maby the police, I doubt it will do much good other than if it happens again you can say "SEE"
Ive been in similar situations, where dogs are running wildlife and livestock.I can say dealing with the dog owners is always fruitless, they dont care, and thats why thier dogs run wild. Dog catcher has to catch the dog doing something and the police dont give a rats ass, they have more important things to do. In my experience its best to put the dog down and keep it seceret. The f inal straw for me was loosing 2 hiefers for a week "ploughed through the fence, not over it" and having to put another down due to a broken leg, "she didnt make it through the fence" That was 2 grand out of my pocket and a week of sleepless nights wondering.
In your case I would not recommend putting the dog down yourself, you already confronted this neighbour and have to live with him, like it or not. And you possibly could be charged yourself. Its not worth it. If you ever see the dog on the road though you could always not brake in time though...
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Bummer, you might have to wait 'til the dog owner returns to get the check. If he's a nice guy, he'll pay you. If he tries something like..."I put the check in your mailbox, you didn't get it?", you could try a small claim, but first, go ahead and go to the courthouse and process the claim...let him know the Sheriff will be delivering a process order within the next two days so he'll being expecting it.
The angle here is it's a federal offense to put something in someone's mailbox...only the postman is legally authorized to deliver correspondence via mailboxes. When you first visit the dog owner to discuss the check, try to make a recording of your conversation using a small cassette recorder. Bring along a friend as a witness. If possible, meet him in a public place. This will help you to not get upset as well, which you might do if you call on the phone. If he becomes evasive and says he put the check in the mailbox...you might could use this later if necessary in court. The "fact" he put the check in the mailbox, or under the doormat for that matter, would make a strong case that he intended to pay you. If he put the check in the mailbox, he committed a federal crime...Yeah, that's the ticket!!!
Well, good luck GoFaster. Any lawyers out there? What think ye? Note: This is not a general purpose approach, and if you or your wife have already had words with the neighbor, probably won't work. It's justa wild idea.
I'm not a lawyer, but ...I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night....so don't try this if you're not willing to play poker.
Les
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Rent a Pitbull...Rates vary but for your needs it wouldn't be much more than an hourly rental.
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We know which dog it is. The only question is whether or not he'll admit to owning it. Seeing as how the dog is in his house, came from his property, and responds to his commands, I believe its a safe bet that its his dog. However, if its not his dog, then I'm sure he won't mind if it gets picked up or otherwise goes missing.
I've got a bat, a shovel, and extremely loose topsoil in my backyard. It would be unfortunate if the dog got loose and approached me in a threatening manner. :mad:
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Poison is a good solution.
Not for the dog, but for him.
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I am gonna tell you a lil story happened over 2 years ago,
Ya see I own several dogs and Exnoodleve birds am an animal lover of a sort we meaning my wife and myself watch a friends dog or did anyways every other weekend she is a nurse and does a livin thing with an elderly lady her dog was small mebbe 8 pounds and my italian greyhound mebbe 11 also she is fat I know well my wife goes to walk the two lil ones before we take my son who also happens to come every other weekend home and as my wife walked out the fron t door our neighbor whos dog has a known aggresion problem towards other animals is having a lil party him and some friends ,
my neighbor has gone to pick up some food for the party and his friends have left the front door hanging wide open dogs layin on floor ,
As my wife waked out door I hear my wife start screaming to get it off help get it off seems my neighbors dog had a hold of my friends dog I run out my bigger dog also runs out thinking its her lil buddy getting killed and bites my neighbors dog on the bellybutton it attacks her I kick the dog and finally some one in his crowd of friends grabs his dog also I now have two dogs that need stitches so i grab the kid wife and 2 dogs run them to vet run the kid to the pickup point run back to vet during this time my wife had called animal control they say they wont do anything as his dog didnt attack a human ,
I go home to get some ciggarettes dont live far from animal hospital and am confronted by one of his freinds who proceeds to tell me its a waste of time to spend money at vet for those worthess dogs I tell him leave property or ill have him arrested since it is a gated comunity he leaves and so do all my neighbors geusts on my way back out to vet my neihbor stops me and says he is real sorry and i should just let him know what the bill is and that he and his friends would pay the bill
so i pick up wife and 2 dogs and one bill for 400$ u.s.
I foto copy it and leave hima copy of the bill with a notes that says I expect payemnt in full by friday
I see him one more time durring the week friday comes no cash so i go a knockin on door he says none of his friends want to take blame for leaving door open and he is unemployed and cant come up with it all
so i tell him I want the money or Ill have his dog simple as that
I contact property management and make a complaint and they tell him hhe has a week to get rid of dog a week goes by and I get 100$ from him he still has dog next week comes and my wife and i see him wlaking the dog after 6 when managemnet office closes so we call them they make an inspection of his apt the next day and dog is there he is warned next day we see him walking dog we contact management they inspect but dog is gone and he isnt home that night we see him and dog get out of car at 6:30 he is dressed like he has just come from work ,
so i knock on door and let him know that i noticed he was back to work and i needed payed his dog was in living room while i talked to him he promised to pay by friday again friday comes and goes no money and we still see him walking dog every night i call management and tell them im going to arrange a community meeting of tenants if somthing isnt done they talk to him and either he and dog moves in 1 week or dog goes only so he starts taking it to his friends in fort worth on his way to work and picking it up 2 more weeks go by each time they inspect his unit to see if dog is gone it is so i video tape him coming home with dog and walking it and entering apt
a half hour after taping he comes gets in my face and tells me for videoing him and trying to get his dog removed he aint paying ,
I told him fine dont pay me I have warned you of the consequences
3 days later i follow him while he goes and drops his dog off his friend is working with him there just chaining the dog in the yard and goin to work ,
the next day I waited until 10.a.m went to his friends house with my kids air gun unleashed the dog got in car and started shooting it in the bellybutton till it had followed me a few blocks then left
that night i see neighbor come home without his dog and the next night and the next no dog he comes over and has the balls to come over and tell me i got my wish his dog had gotten loose at his freinds hous eand had been picked up by animal control and he couldnt afford the 120$ u.s. to get the dog back
I told him I could care less about his problems i wanted my 300$ he still owed me
he has since paid me but still doesnt have his dog and the 2 dogs of mine are fine
so in your case offer the dog some meat dont poison it just take it for a 50 mile ride and then ditch it
if he doesnt pay you when he gets back dont take a check get cash or a money order
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"if he doesnt pay you when he gets back dont take a check get cash or a money order"
Yeah, the bouncing check thing has me concerned, too. I can see it happening now: I drop off my truck with his check and the shop does the repair work, the check bounces, they hold my vehicle till I pay. So now I'm out the repair money and he still has his dog.
But tomorrow is another day, and like Tom Hanks said in "Castaway", you never know what will wash up with the tide. He may actually come through and do the right thing.
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I'm sorry rickod, but you suck as a neighbor.
The guys dog was let loose by accident, he has paid you for the bills, and his dog is now probably dead. WTG.
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now see rikod... if even one person had been armed they could have simply shot the worthless mutt and all of the unpleasantness would have been avoided.
Wouldn't you say MT?
lazs
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Hehe...
And relieved so much neighborhood stress.
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Originally posted by lazs2
now see rikod... if even one person had been armed they could have simply shot the worthless mutt and all of the unpleasantness would have been avoided.
Wouldn't you say MT?
lazs
Exactly... position a sniper up high at the end of the street. Permanent animal control. :D
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across the river from me in West (by God) Virginia, something interesting happened.
it was up on this rural road called Robert's Ridge. This lady had 6 pitt bulls chained in her back yard. the things were huge. well, occasionally one would get loose and as a result, her neighbors lived in fear of letting their grandchildren and children play in the yard.
well...one sunny afternoon, one of the ladies dogs got loose and came trotting towards this grandfather who just happened to have a deer rifle with him.
he blasted the dog and now the lady wants him to go to jail.
she even had him arrested (which blows my mind)
i say...if a big pit bull comes in my yard and my kids are anywhere around, that dog is fair game.
but then....im just some redneck who was born in Wv.
:p
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Well, whatta ya know, the neighbor came up with the check over the weekend. The truck is in the shop as we speak. The guy was very apologetic and the dogs haven't been loose since.
But I'm still ever-vigilent. The check hasn't cleared yet.
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even if the check bounces it's still a good thing. seems like very solid evidence of reponsability if you have to take him to small claims court. plus in most states you can sue for upto 3 times the checks face value for bounced checks. (at least thats what the sign says whereever I write checks)