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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wlfgng on October 07, 2002, 12:15:46 PM
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pipe dreams (http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11580)
snicker
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Naturally, I felt compelled to post in that thread. :D
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naturally!
lol
well I was all content just reading.. then my fingers starting spazzing out... and I read your post and.. well..
the rest is history!
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I like the points about AH being hacked, and the gunnery model. Very astute.
-Sikboy
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All systems and games have it...look at the console market today. Each community has its own beliefs on the other game or system, and usually always makes things up or starts rumors to attempt to make them feel better for buying that system or game.
Look at AH and WB...we're always finding or starting rumors about the other game...typical community banter.
Though it is great to see some of the things people say...
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I do like the lazer gunnery comments and the hacking comments. Of course, nobody every claimed ANYONE in warbirds was hacking.
You have the same group of "HACKER!" losers in all sims (read that to mean people that actually hack and people that scream hack! all the time... ie sikboy)
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
(read that to mean people that actually hack and people that scream hack! all the time... ie sikboy)
I scream hack all the time :confused: lol.
This one time back on DOS Airwarrior, I was SOO sure I'd seen a cheatin hackin bastard. I had not been flying for long, and this A-26 was playing bloodpig over our field. My friend Foster and I must have put a billion rounds in that plane, and it was smoking something awful, but it wouldn't pop. There must have been 5 planes in a love train on that guys six. Finally he says "and now I die of natural causes" and he augered.
I was positive that guy was cheating. But then, I was new to online flight sims, and just like the UFO guys, anything unexplained had to be classified as something, and hacker was as good as anything. I admit today (6 years later lol) that he was probably not cheating.
And that was the one time I complained about hacking bastards.
:)
-Sikboy
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<---- l33t h@><><0R but still can't hit at 20K yards!
d00dz, what am I doing wrong?
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It's often the same sentence used when putting down AH "Oh but I tried AH but..." It would be interesting to actually have them post the callsign's they trialed under as one I tried a few weeks ago after the person said they tried it was a little misleading, a handful of sorties over a month is hardly a fair trial :rolleyes:
As for the post you guys have refered to, yes there are dweebs in the arena, there are and have been in WB it's not an AH 'thing'
It's laughable to see the constant referrals to laser gunnery when it simply is'nt so, just a player used to the WB icon (took me a while too) I've had plenty of experience of nursing a damaged plane home in fighters and especially bombers. One thing Poopster remarked on when trying AH was the way you had to adjust your timing as if you flew like you did in WB you're toast.
AH fm's might well feel strange to a WB'er but as the WB team have expressed a desire to do a full FM review I hardly think it wise to hold WB up as any kind of example ;)
There are cheats in any game, it's a fact of life that human nature is to suceed and some do it at all costs. There were cheats in WB and almost certainly in AH but it's laughable to somehow insinuate it's more of a problem in AH when the producer of Warbirds abuses his CM powers to cheat in the arena :rolleyes: Both sims suffer from those who game the game. I spent a little time in WBIII and was met by just as many HO nuts as I do here and players performing some odd negative G manouvres in LW planes.
Why these games have to be turned into a religion I don't know. I sometimes think the so called 'fanboi's' in AH and WB would think less of cheating on their wife than they would to try the competitor's sim :rolleyes: I hold accounts in AH, WB and WW2OL, not sure why I still do in WW2OL but I'll wait and give the new patch a try once it's official and won't wipe my HDD. There is stuff I like in WBIII and AH, in a perfect world these would be combined and we'd have a super sim until then I'll just try and get the best out of what's on offer.
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a super sim.. I like that
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oh yeah.. now it's getting interesting on 'the other side'...
woke up a few cheerleaders..
or got a few strikes on stink bait...
whichever :D
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I thought the scores worked even if the account was closed because they are not deleted, when I re-opened mine I had to choose another account name because my old one still existed but they could not reactivate it. Same old excuse 'oh I tried it but it's toejam' there's always going to be a few loud mouthes when the community is so large, guess it's not been that way at WB so long or those who had been around a while would remember the trash talking on main channel in WB :rolleyes:
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For God's sake somebody go post a pic of our bullet drop here and get them to shut up already about the lazer gunnery. Never understood that. I've been here since v .23 of the ALPHA and I always remember bullet drop, and I've NEVER been able to hit anything past 1200 yds, ever.
better than their always changing bullet size.....
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Just did Udie
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thx Pei.. proof in the pudding :)
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Someone explain the def tween a normal 20mm and the ultra ubber hispano to those folks. Aren't there 20mm's different, or are they like AW's, all the same?
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The 20mms are accurate... with different velocities (only thing that affects drop other than drag). The hispanos have a very high velocity, so they don't drop as much. The German stuff is much slower (pretty good graphic of bullets that illistrates why) and drops off much more over the same distance since it takes longer to get there.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Revvin
It's often the same sentence used when putting down AH "Oh but I tried AH but..." It would be interesting to actually have them post the callsign's they trialed under as one I tried a few weeks ago after the person said they tried it was a little misleading, a handful of sorties over a month is hardly a fair trial :rolleyes:
FireFX was "dabone" in Tour 31. He had 4 fighter sorties.
AKDejaVu
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How can you evaulate a Flight Sim when you spend most of your time in a GV or boat?
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If I was a registered user of that bb I would remind them that not only does AH model projectile drop and dispersion but that relative airspeed and air density also affect trajectory in AH .
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Ripsnort!
Naturally, I felt compelled to post in that thread.
When I did that, funked coined the expression "cross-whine"! I love it. :)
I read the WB thread, and added a post of my own. Quite interesting. There's no doubts that gun range is MUCH greater in AH than in WB.
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couple of feathers got russled over that one!
have to agree about the longer ranges. Don't know which is more accurate.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
The 20mms are accurate... with different velocities (only thing that affects drop other than drag). The hispanos have a very high velocity, so they don't drop as much. The German stuff is much slower (pretty good graphic of bullets that illistrates why) and drops off much more over the same distance since it takes longer to get there.
AKDejaVu
I know, I was just thinking someone elequent and a registered poster should explain to "them".
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Don't know which is more accurate.
'theirs' is of course! how dare anyone suggest anything otherwise.
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The whole 'community' thing made me giggle.
After all, MOST if not all the posters were Ex-WB'ers. The early AH player base was 80% WB'ers too (like me). The real problem at the moment for AH - which I doubt they realize - is the massive influx of newbies.
Given faminz (or was it palef's) postings from that kiwi Spit pilot, sounds like the AH model is smack on for feel.
Having said that? Whats this about no more development for WB? And the arena numbers - 60 in peak? Is this correct?
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I truly wonder what the ratio is on AGW of people who post there, vs people who post there and still actually fly it.
How many times have you seen this: "I no longer fly Warbirds, but I still send in my cheque to support its growth, for competition is good". Or something close to it. I can *kinda* see the reasoning there, but it's weak imho. When was the last time you bought a crap product (let's say a B. Spears CD) for the sole purpose of supporting the product category in general (the music industry)? And how is that money well spent when they cease development of it and instead stick those charity dollars up their A.S.S.?
My sense (and it's just that) is that ya've got a group of folks who are more tied (just, comfortable) with the WBs community, but have pretty much given up actually flying it. And my guess is that this is where this typical lazer gunnery hacking urban myth nonsense derives from. It wouldn't suprise me to find out that his three hour evaluation of AH (cheeyah) comprises the majority of his time flyin' *anything* over the last 3 months. Probably untrue, but still sad. And by no means an authority on anything, much less to be taken seriously.
With iEN's dropping development of the game, WB's is becoming more and more irrelevant. Personally, I watch the AGW BBS out of fascination... like a human behavioral study... of people who just won't let go of something that's long since let go of them.
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
couple of feathers got russled over that one!
have to agree about the longer ranges. Don't know which is more accurate.
I do. 50 caliber bullets don't just dissappear after 1,000 meters in real life, or in AH.